Opinions on the American Classic (Metro Arms) 1911?


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Ally
May 23, 2011, 09:51 AM
I want a 1911 in my little collection by the end of the year. I know someone who owns an American Classic commander 1911, and it shot like a dream. I really liked it a lot. I loved the light trigger and its accuracy.

But. . . . I don't know anything about its reputation or reliability. I just know that I could get it for just under $500, (I can't spend 1k on a gun at this point in my life),

Any first-hand knowledge of this firearm from people who've actually owned one?

Thanks!

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docnyt
May 23, 2011, 09:55 AM
Yup pretty solid, just like its Filipino cousin Rock Island Armory.

aminyard
May 23, 2011, 12:30 PM
Reliability = Colt or Ruger or Remington

They also have actual customer service

'nuf said

Skylerbone
May 23, 2011, 01:03 PM
Knowing that it has been well received by both reviewers and those who own them is it your intent to buy the least expensive solid 1911 available? I don't mean to detract from the value evident in PI produced pistols but you could opt for a used Colt for about the same $500 you're looking at spending. For a few hundred more you could buy a new one thanks to layaway.

My point is the Colt will hold it's value much better, it will have the 100 years rollmark this year and it will be an heirloom to hand down.

Food for thought as I don't know what your intended purpose is.

SCBradley
May 23, 2011, 01:33 PM
I unfortunately gambled on one of these on an impulse buy. The bore looked like it had been made in a shack in Pakistan. Very shallow rifling, deep scratches and gouges running the entire length of the barrel. The rear sight fell off on the first range trip. The frame also had lots of issues.

The Bersa/Firestorm warranty center gave me the run around. They said it was more than likely fine and implied I was expecting too much.

Spend your money on a quality weapon.

guzzi
May 23, 2011, 01:52 PM
I have a few 1911's, and one is a Metro Arms American Classic II.

The Metro Arms pistol is not beautiful. It isn't the most smooth in slide operation. But in shooting it along side 1911's that are triple the price, I can see no difference on the target. Like most 1911's, it is very accurate, and easy to shoot accurately.

Sky
May 23, 2011, 01:54 PM
I have one and it has never given me a moments problem but I only have approximately 500 rounds down range. The people who I know that have them are pleased as well (6). As far as holding value you pay $450 for the American Classic or $800 for anything else and if you decide to sell you will probably not have much of a problem selling either for close to what you paid for them.

aminyard
May 23, 2011, 02:44 PM
Fit and finish are terrible, you get what you pay for.:fire:

bdb benzino
May 23, 2011, 05:54 PM
Fit and finish are terrible, you get what you pay for.

This guy is always taliking bad about Philipine pistols and I dont think he even knows that Metro Arms is a completly different company than RIA or Armscor, yet he always comments on them!

Wow, mine is way better fit and finished than my Springfeild Loaded model I had. It is also tighter and smoother, I guess I got a sweet one!

jkulysses
May 23, 2011, 06:01 PM
My dad bought one a few months ago and it turned out to be a jam-o-matic. Firing pin was hitting the outer edge of the primers and it would jam about every other round. Luckly Davidsons Gallery of Guns has the best warranty around and they gave him the option of having it repaired, replaced or credit towards the gun of his choice. He went with a Ruger LCR and is waiting for them to get some of the new Ruger 1911's in stock so he can try one of those out. I've heard a lot of good reviews on the Rock Island and American Classics but I think their probably a lot like Taurus, hit or miss.

Sky
May 23, 2011, 06:02 PM
Yes fit and finish is great on mine too. I do like the blued finish on the Metro Arms American Classic ll better than the RRA 1911. But that is a matter of taste.

SCBradley
May 23, 2011, 06:46 PM
Apparently, based on every American Classic thread I've ever read, Metro Arms is putting out two variations of this gun. One has superb fit and finish that rivals top tier custom guns, the other is a hunk of ill fit cast garbage.

ISO1600
May 23, 2011, 07:21 PM
Mine is at one of their warranty centers right now getting a new disconnector. The hammer would stop halfway down on every other shot. Other than that, fit and finish was very nice, actually felt better than my new Ruger. I dont feel like i did particularly bad on it, as it was $426 new. Once i get it back, i'm sure it'll be just fine.

InkEd
May 23, 2011, 07:29 PM
I handles one about a year ago when looking for a 1911. It was a piece of junk even for the price. Buy a Rock Island or Para if you want an inexpensive 1911.

Walkalong
May 23, 2011, 07:52 PM
A local shop has a 4" & a 5", and both look great on the outside.

EddieNFL
May 23, 2011, 08:25 PM
Beauty, or lack of, is in the eye of the beholder.

Different folks have different standards.

Ally
May 23, 2011, 08:30 PM
well, you ask for opinions, yer gonna get 'em! :D

Skylerbone, The 1911 will be used for target shooting, and home defense.

I like the idea of spending more, and using lay-a-way as my friend. So Colt makes a good 1911 commander .45acp, eh? I'll have to look into it. I'm so gun-broke right now, it's not something I'm planning until closer to the end of the year. :)

:uhoh:

jahwarrior
May 23, 2011, 08:50 PM
my girlfriend has one, and she likes it fine. her brother had some trouble changing the trigger on it, but it works fine now.

jkulysses
May 23, 2011, 09:07 PM
I personally couldn't bring myself to buy such an "American" gun that's not made in America. Just seems weird and wrong to me but then again I'm pretty weird myself! :)

MICHAEL T
May 23, 2011, 09:20 PM
Fit and finish are terrible, you get what you pay for.
Funny mine gives my Dan Wesson a run for money at frame to slide fit and smoothness of slide
Way better fit than any of my Colts.
I will buy another .
The new Officer size Amigo is a nice compact. Got lots of good reviews at the NRA show from the public . As the handled it .

jon_in_wv
May 23, 2011, 09:54 PM
My local shop had an American Classic II in the case with a ParaOrdnance, Remington R1, Colt Custom Combat (?), and a Springfield Govt Model. The AC had a MUCH better fit and finish than the Para or the R1. There was noticeable slop in the slide to frame fit of both of them, the triggers weren't very nice (the R1 was WAY too light) and the safety of the Para was very poorly fitted. (actually the R1s didn't feel very good either) The Para had a crappy painted on finish, by the looks of it, and the feed ramp wasn't polished at all. The R1 was pretty nice but I couldn't see where the extra money would go over the AC. The AC had a very nice blued finish, the machining was very nice, and it was TIGHT. There was no slide to frame slop, even with the barrel removed, and there was no play at the barrel hood either. Racking the slide was soooooo smooth. It felt like a much more expensive weapon. In fact it felt almost identical to the Colt but it was $500 cheaper. I liked the Colt. It felt worlds better than the Para or the Remington but the only thing I would have been buying is the name in my book and a name isn't worth $500 bucks to me. The Springer, btw, felt just like an old military 1911. It had lots of slop and play everywhere and an aweful trigger. I believe it was used so I won't compare it directly with the others but it still cost more than the AC. I put the AC on layaway and I'll pick it up next Monday. Can't wait.

jahwarrior
May 24, 2011, 03:32 AM
Reliability = Colt or Ruger or Remington

They also have actual customer service

'nuf said

wait, did you just say Colt had customer service?


LOLOLOLOL

Skylerbone
May 24, 2011, 03:56 AM
My 7 year old is very much looking forward to the day I hand him the keys to my Jeep. Were it a Yugo I think he'd consider saving his money up.

I'm sure many people grew up with NEF shotguns and pellet rifles as first firearms. My first was a Remington 1100. I worked for half and the other was my birthday gift. Still have it and still use it. Still looks like new. Someday that too will go to my son.

Yes Colt is a name. It is also a legend. In time, for some it will be a legacy. There is nothing wrong with buying a well made inexpensive 1911 but there is something so right in owning a nicer one.

limbkiller
May 24, 2011, 10:39 AM
I own 2 metro arms .45s, 1 colt and 2 SA. The MA guns shoot as good as any of them. The fit and finish is better on the MAs. Trigger is just as good. My buds who have bought them love'm. Can't go wrong with MA.

InkEd
May 24, 2011, 10:51 AM
It sounds to me like quality control is the issue. The good ones are fine and the bad ones are junk. I don't think I would want something with such varying quality control issues.

Holo
May 24, 2011, 04:02 PM
I love mine. I shot it side by side with my buddies Kimber and not only did it beat his in accuracy, I had not one FTF or FTE and he had 3 out of 200 rounds.

I paid $427 for mine shipped. Cant beat that when it out shoots a 1911 3X the cost.

YMMV

jon_in_wv
June 26, 2011, 08:54 PM
Mine has fired over 200 rounds now and it is superb. 100% reliable and very accurate. I replaced the long stock trigger with a medium length and installed some cheap rubber grips. I love it. Hopefully I can get an amigo for warmer weather before next summer.

MICHAEL T
June 26, 2011, 09:16 PM
Mine just keep rolling along Dependable as the day is long .

whetrock
June 27, 2011, 12:15 AM
A good friend of mine just purchased one off buds I'm gonna have to check it out when he gets it I'll be sure and try to report back.

DanTheFarmer
June 27, 2011, 03:15 PM
Hi All,

I've got the factory twin, the Firestorm DLX. It is identical to the American Classic II except for the rollmark on the slide. It has been great and the fit and finish are top notch (o.k., aside from the giant rollmark reading "FireStorm" which is big enough for the bad guy to read at 15' and think to himself, "Uh-oh, I'm up against a value oriented consumer who values function over prestige. Perhaps I should rob another, more ostentatious, home!")

If you like the American Classic II and see a Firestorm DLX, check it out. If it says made by Metro Arms, you are all set. Older Firestorm 1911's were made by Llama and have a poor reputation (and they aren't true 1911's. Their external extractors are a dead giveaway.)

Anyway, I've had nothing but positve experiences with my Metro Arms 1911.

Good Luck to all.

Dan

Dr_B
June 27, 2011, 04:08 PM
I've posted several comments about this pistol here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=563967&highlight=metro+arms+1911:

I bought one earlier this year and the feed ramp had not been polished. Not knowing much about 1911's at the time (since I'm kind of a revolver guy), I didn't realize that was why it wouldn't feed ammo so I sent it back for repairs through my local dealer.

While waiting on it to come back, the dealer offered me another one he had in the case. It had a crooked front sight. The sight leaned to the left because it had been set into the dovetail improperly. I took it to the range anyway and it cycled just fine, and was accurate, but the sight bothered me. So I took that one back and we sent the slide off for repairs.

I waited two months. No pistol, no slide. In the meantime the FIRST ONE came back. The dealer offered to let me have that one. It had a list of repairs made by some gunsmith in Arizona. New barrel, new magazine catch, polished this, replaced that, the list went on and on to the tune of $250.

So, by this point the gun had spent more time gone for repairs than it had spent at my house. I was thinking about selling it because I just didn't care any more. But I hadn't spent anything on shipping or repairs, so I figured why not take this one to the range and have some fun before selling it.

Now it works perfectly. I can hit almost anything with it. I can hit my 3-inch steel spinners at 30 feet. The recoil is manageable and its a good size for concealed carry, although I only use it as a range toy for now. So it will stick around for a while.

Bottom line is these are not bad pistols for the price. But there are definitely quality control issues.

Olympus
June 27, 2011, 04:23 PM
Mine had massive failures right out of the box. The factory mag would only hold two rounds and then the follower would bind up. I tried other mags and when the mag was locked in place, it would cant the mag forward causing the rounds to sit perfectly horizontal and jam headfirst into the bottom of the feed ramp rather than pointing slightly up to the chamber. The gun immediately went back to a warranty center. They did a full page worth of work on it and sent it back with two new Mec Gar mags instead of the factory mag. Not taking any other chances, I sent it to a gunsmith friend who gutted it and completely rebuilt the internals and I had some customization to it. Runs good now, but was a dog from the factory. There are numerous posts from others that have feed issues like I did.

I also thought it was funny that Handguns mag did an article on it last month and they also had problems feeding with the stock mag loaded to full capacity. They didn't mention if they tried other mags, but it's 50/50 as to whether it was a mag problem or a mag catch problem. The AC Commanders are notorious for having both.

Here are some before and after photos of mine.

http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy151/brownscustomgrips/P4180044.jpg

http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy151/brownscustomgrips/P4180047.jpg

http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy151/brownscustomgrips/P6010050.jpg

http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy151/brownscustomgrips/P6010049.jpg

Sent by Brown's Custom Grips using Tapatalk!

wallask
June 28, 2011, 09:32 AM
I bought the America Classic goverment model with fixed sights. It shot low so I replaced the rear sight with a higher one given to me by a friend. The front sight was slightly cocked to one side. I tapped it until it was staight up. In doing this, I think I weakened the stake on feature and sure enought, one day at the range, the front fell off, lost forever somewhere on the ground. I replaced the sight with a slightly different shape, which I love. It is a great shooter. It is accurate and the trigger is very good. I am very pleased with my purchase.

jon_in_wv
July 3, 2011, 06:20 PM
Mine now has about 500 rounds through it. This weekend I was tearing up the target shooting fast double taps. LOVE IT.

trickyasafox
July 4, 2011, 02:17 PM
Mine has been great. best deal I have in my 1911s- including a colt commander, mil-spec, and the citadel in addition to the ACII

Hondo 60
July 4, 2011, 04:06 PM
I decided I wanted a 1911 & I did about 6 months of research on this.
I looked at all the reviews I could find on Remington, Ruger, Metro Arms, Springfield, Taurus, etc, etc.

I wanted a Government model, or one slightly modified, but had to have a 5" barrel.
I wanted a blued one.
And it had to just plain look good!

In the end I decided on the American Classic II.
All the reviews I saw were very positive.
It had all the features I wanted (and some that I didn't know I wanted).
And it looks very cool, especially with the Altamont grips I added.

I took it to the range 3 days ago.
It was shooting a bit high & a bit left.
But at 25 yards all shots were still on the paper.

All in all I'm very happy with the purchase, I just need to work on the sights a bit.
(and I have to touch up the new grips, the extended slide stop is in the way.)

doc540
July 4, 2011, 07:54 PM
inexpensive 1911 pool toe dip

shot fine

cycled fine

felt fine

sold it and bought a Colt, then another Colt, then.....:o

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/1911/American%20Classic%20II/DSCN0174-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/1911/American%20Classic%20II/AmericanClassic45009-1.jpg

empty hull
July 13, 2011, 07:02 PM
I now own 2 American Classics ll in 45 acp. It felt better than the Para I was looking at and was at a great price. Tim

w2fnt
July 13, 2011, 08:33 PM
I have never been impressed with anything that R.S.A. in Ocean NJ imports or the warranty services available. The best 1911 imported clones I have ever seen are the Springers and the Rock Islands.

whetrock
July 13, 2011, 11:59 PM
I handled my friends today I can say I thought it was pretty impressive given the price of the gun he said he has put about 30 rounds through it and had zero problems though he tossed the factory mag and bought a couple of Wilsons.

w2fnt
July 14, 2011, 12:16 AM
Magazines cause more 1911 stoppage failures than any other part from what I have experienced. I swear by Chip McCormick personally for what it is worth to you.

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