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prickett
May 23, 2011, 11:28 PM
All,
I recently decided that all my shooting buddies MUST be NRA members to continue shooting with me. Sadly, I'm getting resistance. I'm seeking to compile a list of all the good things that the NRA does both for us as individuals and for clubs. Can you guys supply some benefits I can add to my compilation?

Thanks!

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CZguy
May 24, 2011, 12:08 AM
Let me say up front that I am a lifetime NRA member.

I feel that the NRA has done a good job, but not everyone agrees with me. So my question to the OP is, why do you feel that in order to go shooting with you, they need to join the same organizations that you like. You might consider lowering your standards, to how safety conscious they are, and whether they kick in for gas on the way to the range.

docnyt
May 24, 2011, 03:36 AM
Forcing your belief system on your friends is a quick way to lose them. Just enjoy their company. If they become avid shooters they will learn to fight for their own rights.

dirtyjim
May 24, 2011, 06:54 AM
If its that important to you just buy them the membership yourself

Mike J
May 24, 2011, 08:43 AM
I would not try to force anyone into joining the NRA. There are many seriously Pro Gun folks that have no use for the NRA. I think that is why there is also the SAF, GOA & other organizations. I am a NRA member myself but that was my choice. If you really want to try to get them in you might try dirtyjims approach but I agree with docnyt most folks don't like to be pushed.

Vonderek
May 24, 2011, 09:22 AM
Just tell them that without the NRA you all would probably be bowling instead of shooting...they probably would have lost their rights decades ago to own guns and be there shooting with you. If that's not enough for them shoot by yourself.

ColtPythonElite
May 24, 2011, 09:33 AM
If one of my buddy's said I had to join his club in order to continue our friendship, I'd tell him to go get bent...But that's just me.

dirtykid
May 24, 2011, 10:26 AM
I try to encourage my shooting-buddies to join NRA,as well as help me sometimes by writing e-mails or phone calls to key-people involved with my state's gun laws.
That being said, the majority of them dont want to spend the time doing such things as they haven't become as involved as myself in the RKBA-movement. I have found even my relatives who beatched,pissed and moaned when Obla-bla was going to get elected about how he was gonna "take our guns" but yet they couldnt take 10-minutes out of their day to support our beliefs on the 2A.
Dont try and force it down their throats,as with most things , they will resist further and possibly tell you to go get bent. Instead, mention it occasionally in conversation in positive,meaningful ways,, you'll see better results,, IMHO

ErikO
May 24, 2011, 10:34 AM
post removed, off topic.

hso
May 24, 2011, 10:34 AM
The NRA and ILA are the 800lb gorilla in 2A advocacy groups allowing it to wield significant influence. The size of the organization depends upon the participation of 2A supporters meaning that the more members means the greater influence.

OTOH, I wouldn't exclude association with other shooters just on the basis of NRA membership. Other 2A organizations like the Second Amendment Foundation do good work in support of gun owners in spite of being a smaller organization.

youngda9
May 24, 2011, 11:05 AM
Wow...forcing your belief systems on your friends. Your handle sounds about right.

You're going to lose friends fast doing that.

spelsh
May 24, 2011, 11:20 AM
A local shooting club had NRA membership as a requirement, as well as being a citizen. I refused to join. I have been an NRA member on and off for years. But I am not a citizen. I can't support a club that doesn't provide equal opportunity

If my friend told me that we couldn't shoot together unless I had an NRA membership, I would be shooting with other friends, or by myself.

To the OP, how would you feel if your friends wouldn't hang out with you unless you donated to The American Red Cross, or Cancer Center, or the storm victims in the south etc....?

ForumSurfer
May 24, 2011, 11:22 AM
Forcing your belief system on your friends is a quick way to lose them.

I'm an NRA member and I would be offended if you told me I had to be an NRA member to shoot with you. To me, it is akin to saying you can only be a certain race or religion to shoot with me. Even if I happen to fall into the category, I'm offended because it is only a matter of time before you find a way to discriminate me.

I'm also a member of other, smaller RKBA grassroots type organizations. I can see why some 2a supporters fervently disapprove of the NRA. I fully support their right to not be an NRA member and support other organizations.

youngda9
May 24, 2011, 11:47 AM
A local shooting club had NRA membership as a requirement, as well as being a citizen. I refused to join. I have been an NRA member on and off for years. But I am not a citizen. I can't support a club that doesn't provide equal opportunity
Sounds like you didn't have the option to join...you can't "refuse to join" because you don't meet their criteria of being an american citizen.

spelsh
May 24, 2011, 02:01 PM
Sounds like you didn't have the option to join...you can't "refuse to join" because you don't meet their criteria of being an american citizen.

Techinically correct......there is a way around it, but it requires board approval, a certain # of members to vouch for you, than a comittee meeting etc...etc. Oddly enough, if my girlfriend joins, I can shoot with her!?!?

The point remains the same though. Imagine telling your friends that they can't drink with you, or come to your house for a beer with dontaing to 'AA'?

clamman
May 24, 2011, 04:24 PM
Well there's a lot of replies to the OP, but where are the reasons to join like he asked for? It's just a silly magazine. I'm not a member.

cavman
May 24, 2011, 04:36 PM
Here are a couple that could be useful to let your friends in on:

http://www.nra.org/benefits.aspx

"Annual members receive $5,000 of Accidental Death and Dismemberment coverage at NO COST to you. The plan covers accidents at, or to and from, an NRA event; and accidents that occur during the use of firearms or hunting equipment while hunting. Insurance must be activated at time of renewal. (Does not include Junior membership.)"

"$2,500 of ArmsCare coverage with your NRA membership. This plan covers insured firearms, air guns, bows and arrows against theft, accidental loss, and damage. "

Long shot scenario:---Besides all the benefits that the NRA provides on a large scale, influencing Congress-critters, providing Insurance for Ranges to operate, etc., you could say by being members, if one of them ever got hurt while you all were out, there could be some Coverage. Then in all the haste with the concern for a hurt friend (let's not deal with the Death part), and you lost you guns in the terrible excitement, that would be covered to.

SleazyRider
May 24, 2011, 04:42 PM
Free admission to the NRA Museum.

cavman
May 24, 2011, 04:45 PM
And discounts at the NRA range:

Also Hotel and Rental Car Discounts: http://www.nra.org/affiliates.aspx

prickett
May 24, 2011, 07:57 PM
Thanks for all the responses. I certainly didn't expect the answers the majority of you gave. I suppose I need to reconsider my stance.

To explain my original thought process:
I'm not really trying to force my beliefs on them, I'm trying to get them to contribute to our fight to retain/regain/gain our gun rights. As Vonderek said - without the NRA we'd all be bowling as a hobby (hmmm, might be way cheaper :-). I have no problem pulling the wagon, but would like them to assist.

Several folks mentioned other 2A organizations as an alternative. I'm also a member of 2AF and am ecstatic about the job they are doing. While I encourage their joining other orgs (they currently aren't members of any orgs), joining the NRA gives us numbers that politicians can't ignore. The smaller orgs don't command that kind of respect. If the NRA gets the attention it currently gets with 4M members imagine what they could do with 25M members (half of the gun owners in America). NO anti gun legislation could ever get passed with those numbers.

Regarding the benefits folks provided, I'm not really interested in the hats/insurance/discounts/museums I'm more interested in what they do for the industry. Since quite a few clubs (mine included) require NRA membership, I'm wondering if the NRA helps the club with insurance or something. I'm interested in major accomplishments with regards to legislation passed or prevented. That kind of stuff. IOW, tangible benefits to shooting sports, self defense, etc

Again, I appreciate your responses and will reevaluate my requirement.

WNTFW
May 24, 2011, 08:36 PM
The NRA is not perfect. But neither are many gun owners that are it's biggest critics.
My take on it that no other organization is as comprehensive as the NRA. The NRA does fight for 2A rights. It also helps ranges and competition programs. This is why many ranges require an NRA membership. This will vary be area. I have seen some support of hunting and recreational shooting. I have become involved in the Friends of the NRA, which raises money for these programs. There are many people involved that have done way more than I. Those same people are involved in other cause to help hunting & fishing.
It is one thing to not support the NRA. There should be no excuse not to support another organization. If everyone one of of do just a little to support 2A rights, the sport or even a fellow shooter on a personal level we protect our interests.
A good way to get your friends to support NRA or another organization is to be a good example of a card carrying member.

I know a guy that is very anti-NRA. He had no problem attending a class at the Whittington Center. I just went by his words. He made more of a case against himself than the NRA.

CZguy
May 24, 2011, 09:32 PM
Thanks for all the responses. I certainly didn't expect the answers the majority of you gave. I suppose I need to reconsider my stance.


Takes a big man to say that. A guy with an open mind will go far. :)

Gordon_Freeman
May 24, 2011, 09:47 PM
I agree. I wouldn't want to shoot with someone who is not an NRA member or at least a member of a similar organization. I'll just enjoy the shooting hobby with my kids and make sure they are NRA members.

45_auto
May 24, 2011, 09:49 PM
I'm seeking to compile a list of all the good things that the NRA does both for us as individuals and for clubs.

The fact that we're still allowed to own most types of guns is probably the best thing the NRA has done for us .....

Whether you agree with them 100% (is there ANY organization you agree with 100%?) or not, they are the strongest force by far in support of the second amendment.

NRA Life

bigalexe
May 24, 2011, 09:50 PM
REALLY ANOTHER ONE!

All you people do is further isolate the gun community and make us all look like a bunch of hard-nosed wackos that run around with black T-shirts and pasty skin that doesn't accept anyone like us.

Isaac-1
May 25, 2011, 01:25 AM
Let me start with saying I am all for taking a very pro 2A stance.

About 20 years ago I was an NRA member for several years, at the time money was tight, I had lots of debt from starting a business, family expenses, etc. I felt it was important to be an NRA member, until they kept calling me over and over again asking for more money to fight this bill or that bill. When their telemarketers told me on multiple occasions that being a base level member was a liability to the NRA as I cost them more money than I gave, I told them I could easily solve that problem. I have not been an NRA member since.

RichBMW
May 25, 2011, 05:57 AM
I love some of the NRA e-mails that I get. Example: If I stop getting the paper edition of "American Rifleman" and take the electronic edition, the NRA can devote more money to defending my Second Amendment rights. My response: Cut Wayne LaPierre's million-dollar plus salary/benefit package in half and that's $500,000 more available to defend my rights.

jahwarrior
May 25, 2011, 06:16 AM
All,
I recently decided that all my shooting buddies MUST be NRA members to continue shooting with me. Sadly, I'm getting resistance. I'm seeking to compile a list of all the good things that the NRA does both for us as individuals and for clubs. Can you guys supply some benefits I can add to my compilation?

Thanks!

some benefits of joining the NRA:

1. all the junk mail you want, free of charge.
2. free schwag, like useless decorative Bowie knives and nylon gym bags, made in sweatshops in China.
3. having your rights compromised away by a group whose interest is making money.

your buddies should start looking for a new buddy.

prickett
May 25, 2011, 07:36 PM
I politely requested the NRA not to be called or mailed, and they've honored my request.

youngda9
May 25, 2011, 07:47 PM
Some folks don't want to join your political cause org....they just want to shoot or hunt.

Kendal Black
May 25, 2011, 08:04 PM
I'm seeking to compile a list of all the good things that the NRA does both for us as individuals and for clubs.

The search function is your friend. This question comes up with remarkable frequency.

There are NRA people who alienate potential members, and life members like me, with for example a magazine filled with offers for collectible (?) John Wayne dinner plates and shiny watches.

Then there is the ILA branch, which has real clout on Capitol Hill, and which is playing the game as it is played: Get what legislative and judicial advantage you can when you can. Some people call them capitulating pansies, but they have been somewhere near every gain (and sometimes limited our losses too, that's important) in the last decades.

Some shooters do not want to belong to the NRA. The reasons are often enough rehearsed here to need no recapitulation. But: You can send money to the ILA without joining the NRA. That's my pitch.

prickett
May 25, 2011, 09:27 PM
The search function is your friend. This question comes up with remarkable frequency.

There are NRA people who alienate potential members, and life members like me, with for example a magazine filled with offers for collectible (?) John Wayne dinner plates and shiny watches.

Then there is the ILA branch, which has real clout on Capitol Hill, and which is playing the game as it is played: Get what legislative and judicial advantage you can when you can. Some people call them capitulating pansies, but they have been somewhere near every gain (and sometimes limited our losses too, that's important) in the last decades.

Some shooters do not want to belong to the NRA. The reasons are often enough rehearsed here to need no recapitulation. But: You can send money to the ILA without joining the NRA. That's my pitch.
That is actually close to the approach I take. I become an associate member ($10 per year/no magazine) and donate the balance of a full NRA membership to the ILA.

I figure the NRA proper needs numbers to show legislators, but the ILA does the real work.

prickett
May 25, 2011, 09:29 PM
Some folks don't want to join your political cause org....they just want to shoot or hunt.
I don't WANT to pay money to the NRA either, but without the first, we wouldn't be able to do the second.

mustang_steve
May 25, 2011, 09:44 PM
Friends do not force friends to do things they don't want to do.

That said, I am an NRA member, but not a big fan of some of the compromises they've made in the past, compromises that I feel weren't worth the benefit provided from the situation in some cases. However, they're better than the fragmented crapfest we'd have otherwise.

That said, I understand why some would rather not be part of it.

Apocalypse-Now
May 26, 2011, 04:17 PM
i think if you inadvertently shoot a toe off, the NRA gives you a grand or something

i got the free membership with no benefits only because they do send you a card that sometimes gets you discounts at cabelas. yes, i have selfish reasons :evil:



i have no interest in paying for an NRA membership. i just haven't seen them do anything major for the 2nd amendment that impressed me. don't need a free hat or coffee mug made in china either.

the telemarketing calls are kinda annoying too lol

Heretic
May 27, 2011, 07:00 PM
I recommend the GOA. I'm not a member(just not a joiner for the most part) but I do send them money on occasion.

cavman
May 27, 2011, 07:37 PM
Don't forget Second Amendment Foundation. These guys are really front line and active and successful.

http://www.saf.org/

Arkansas Paul
May 27, 2011, 07:47 PM
I recently decided that all my shooting buddies MUST be NRA members to continue shooting with me.


Sadly, I'm getting resistance.


Gee, why would anyone resist your demands for them to do something they don't want to just to preserve the no doubt incredible privilege of hanging out with you? :rolleyes:

daorhgih
May 27, 2011, 08:19 PM
@ post#8: I missed the part where the NRA came close to preventing "Obla-bla"from winning the election(?), and its relationship to your friends' membership in NRA. Additionally, do we have credible evidence of NRA gun-insurance ever paying of a claim? Inquiring minds want to know.

Kendal Black
May 29, 2011, 02:30 AM
I think a subtext, not stated, is some people don't want to be put on a list. Any list. It might be inconvenient later. And, yes, the NRA membership roll is a list. Some hypothetical tyranny might come along and round us all up.

Some have the same reason for not getting the CCW permit.

Not sure the logic holds up. Few rights have been lost in history due to an overage of zeal for them. Indeed, I cannot think of an example.

Who are you afraid is watching you?

moonman16
May 29, 2011, 11:15 AM
Some NRA hotel discounts are better than AARP'S.

MaterDei
May 29, 2011, 11:26 AM
The real benefit to joining the NRA and similar groups is the continued right to keep and bear arms. If your friends don't get that then none of the other benefits are likely to sway them.

Harley Quinn
May 29, 2011, 11:42 AM
My feeling is the NRA does not need to give me benefits...
They do what needs to be done for our right to shoot and have our rights (2nd A) upheld and keep the left wingers honest:D

Benefits they offer, bring in others, who are not as dedicated...

If your friends don't want to belong :(

Regards

Gordon_Freeman
May 29, 2011, 03:26 PM
I would really like to speak my mind about those of you who are not with the NRA, but it would not be considered "high road" to do so.

ThePunisher'sArmory
May 29, 2011, 03:44 PM
Well right now tha NRA is filing a lawsuit against my home state of Illinois. Here's the first link I could find.

http://www.centralillinoisnewscenter.com/news/local/NRA-Files-Lawsuit-Against-Illinois-121816784.html

In addition to this the NRA is a large Lobbyist in American congress. They have a large influence on gun related bills. Now on the other hand I think its rather sad that such a "free" country needs groups like this. I'm sure if the fed government had their way they would ban all firearms. If that unfortunate plan would ever come to fruition what would the NRA do then. Moreover what would "WE THE PEOPLE" do then?

Viper
May 30, 2011, 02:18 PM
Well, I was the recipient of an NRA benefit last month. I had a burglary in February where nine pistols were taken with a value of about $6000 plus some mags and ammo. My HO policy will only pay $3000 on guns and gun related items. After I received the $3000, I filed a claim with the NRA carrier. I received a check for $2200 in about three weeks. I'm taking out a $10,000 policy with them for the future.

JerryM
May 30, 2011, 02:53 PM
Without the NRA we would not have the gun rights we have. However, I don't accept as friends those who would put such requirements on me. It is not a moral issue, but just to force membership in an admittedly good organization.

I would shoot alone before I would accept someone to dictate to me what organizations I must belong to.

Regards,
Jerry

Kendal Black
May 30, 2011, 10:42 PM
Some shooting clubs require NRA membership as a prerequisite for club membership.

Private club, private rules. It's their business. As I suggested above, you can donate to the ILA even if you are not an NRA member. Anyone can see the sense of doing that, surely.

Personally, I dug into the old pockets and ponied up the Life Membership fee during the run-up to the Clinton gun ban. I got mad enough to put my money where my mouth is.

Sell a couple guns and buy into the NRA. In the long run, it will do you more good than the spare guns.

The card is good for a discount at certain hotels, car rental agencies and gun stores. You won't get your money back that way, but what the heck. It's fun checking into some hotel in liberal country and asking loudly for the "National Rifle Association Discount."

Apocalypse-Now
May 30, 2011, 10:56 PM
Well, I was the recipient of an NRA benefit last month. I had a burglary in February where nine pistols were taken with a value of about $6000 plus some mags and ammo. My HO policy will only pay $3000 on guns and gun related items. After I received the $3000, I filed a claim with the NRA carrier. I received a check for $2200 in about three weeks. I'm taking out a $10,000 policy with them for the future.

what was the name of that carrier? thanx :)

(i'm looking for a good insurance carrier for a relative that collects guns)

HammerheadSSN663
May 31, 2011, 12:02 AM
2nd on the endless flow of junk mail and spam you're buddies can expect to receive.

Oh, and the 'free' gifts they send and want you to pay for or mail them back...on YOUR dime!

Last year was my last year with the NRA and AAA.

Kendal Black
May 31, 2011, 12:14 AM
2nd on the endless flow of junk mail and spam you're buddies can expect to receive.

Oh, and the 'free' gifts they send and want you to pay for or mail them back...on YOUR dime!

Last year was my last year with the NRA and AAA.

I've never gotten any of that crap. Are you sure this is not from an affiliated advertiser, not the NRA? Something you opted in for by mailing in a coupon or responding to a web site? This is one of the things the NRA does do wrong, IMHO--a bit too free with the advertisers they associate with.

CZguy
May 31, 2011, 07:27 AM
2nd on the endless flow of junk mail and spam you're buddies can expect to receive.

Oh, and the 'free' gifts they send and want you to pay for or mail them back...on YOUR dime!

Last year was my last year with the NRA and AAA.

A phone call to the NRA would have allowed you to opt out of all of the junk mail, and email.

ultradoc
May 31, 2011, 08:01 AM
although the NRA isn't perfect I think if you are a gun owner or non gun owner you should join. But I wouldn't force anyone to.

prickett
May 31, 2011, 07:55 PM
2nd on the endless flow of junk mail and spam you're buddies can expect to receive.

Oh, and the 'free' gifts they send and want you to pay for or mail them back...on YOUR dime!

Last year was my last year with the NRA and AAA.
You know you can opt out of their junk mail. From the NRA's own FAQ:

Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA?
A: Simply email us at membership@nrahq.org or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.

If that is your reason for leaving the NRA it doesn't seem like a very good one.

Also, this is not something that they and they alone do. Contribute money to almost any charity or political party and you instantly become their new best friend. Or, email your representatives and get flooded with email from them, their party, and various related organizations.

As for the "free" free gifts, they really are free. Since they sent them to you unsolicited, postal regulations state that it is yours to keep for free.

Apocalypse-Now
May 31, 2011, 08:28 PM
^^what about the annoying telemarketing calls? lol

they sometimes call my house 2-3 time a day! asking them not to hasn't stopped them yet :eek:

Kendal Black
May 31, 2011, 08:51 PM
^^what about the annoying telemarketing calls? lol

they sometimes call my house 2-3 time a day! asking them not to hasn't stopped them yet :eek:

I asked to be put on their in-house 'don't call' list and haven't heard a peep out of them since. I wasn't getting that many calls--maybe twice a month. So I don't know what's up with that.

HammerheadSSN663
May 31, 2011, 10:11 PM
Yes, I received two 'free' videos and two 'free' coins that they wanted payment for or send them back on my dime.

threw them all in the trash...junk.

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