Why not a 380 pocket Tip-up barrel pistol for the ladies..


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snooperman
May 24, 2011, 10:30 AM
and elderly who can not rack the slide on the smaller guns? Is it because it is too weak in design for that size cartridge in a pocket gun. Beretta does make one in a 32 called the Tomcat.

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ISO1600
May 24, 2011, 10:31 AM
i've wondered about this same thing....

RX-178
May 24, 2011, 10:37 AM
They used to make a Cheetah with a tip up barrel. Forgot the details of it though.

snooperman
May 24, 2011, 10:51 AM
It is a good house gun for the ladies and elderly, who do not want a lot of recoil, but at 23-25 oz it is not a pocket gun.

baylorattorney
May 24, 2011, 10:54 AM
There is one. Its the beretta. I owned one and was pleased with it.

Here she is:http://www.berettaweb.com/Beretta%2080/Beretta%2086.htm

ISO1600
May 24, 2011, 11:06 AM
oh yeah, the model 86. I think they still do, or might... seems to be hard to come by. It is supposed to shoot really nice. Problem is it has the same limitations of the model 84, in that it is much larger than most other .380's, not very pocket freindly.

snooperman
May 24, 2011, 11:14 AM
a "POCKET PISTOL".

RevDerb
May 24, 2011, 11:15 AM
At 660 grams (23.8 oz) that might be kinda heavy for pocket carry also. :confused:

baylorattorney
May 24, 2011, 12:29 PM
I carried the thing and it was barely noticeable, if at all. If you are searching for a true "pocket" pistol in .380 tip up barrel that is effective and can carry any amount of ammo besides 1 round - well be sure and let me know when you find IT. ;)

dogtown tom
May 24, 2011, 01:58 PM
snooperman: Why not a 380 pocket Tip-up barrel pistol for the ladies.. and elderly who can not rack the slide on the smaller guns? Is it because it is too weak in design for that size cartridge in a pocket gun. Beretta does make one in a 32 called the Tomcat.

Why not?
Because the price and size of American made .380 pocket pistols has all but killed off the market for imported .380's. Beretta did make a .380 with tip up bbl but it was never a big seller.

The GCA '68 limits the size and importability of handguns and it's impossible for Beretta, Glock, HK, etc to import guns the size of a Ruger LCP.

wild cat mccane
May 24, 2011, 05:44 PM
Te'he, yet all the pocket guns in America are America made...

snooperman
May 24, 2011, 05:45 PM
companies that are not restrained by the import restrictions, such as S&W , Ruger , and others who make pocket pistols, Keltec, Kahr, NAA, You have not really answered the question at all. I think it would be a good idea and it would sell, judging by the remarks and complaints concerning the "racking of the slide" in such small 380 pocket pistols by women and the elderly.

snooperman
May 24, 2011, 07:07 PM
at 24 oz and 7" long can hardly be considered a pocket gun. The reason the model 86 did not sell was probably because no one needs a TIP-UP gun that large because a small woman or elderly person has very little trouble racking the slide on most 380 pistols in that size range to begin with.

dogtown tom
May 24, 2011, 07:15 PM
snooperman: dogtown Tom, I understand that , but what about U.S .. companies that are not restrained by the import restrictions, such as S&W , Ruger , and others who make pocket pistols, Keltec, Kahr, NAA, You have not really answered the question at all. I think it would be a good idea and it would sell, judging by the remarks and complaints concerning the "racking of the slide" in such small 380 pocket pistols by women and the elderly.
Well, yeah I DID answer the question snooperman:
Because the price and size of American made .380 pocket pistols has all but killed off the market for imported .380's. Beretta did make a .380 with tip up bbl but it was never a big seller.
Ruger, S&W, Kahr, etc can't make their pocket sized .380 fast enough. Why would they want to add a model or design that didn't sell very well for Beretta?
Manufacturing a blowback .380 with a tip up barrel is a HUGE step backward for a gunmaker. (And I don't believe that a locked breech/recoil operated design would even allow for a "tip up" barrel.)

snooperman at 24 oz and 7" long can hardly be considered a pocket gun. The reason the model 86 did not sell was probably because no one needs a TIP-UP gun that large because a small woman or elderly person has very little trouble racking the slide on most 380 pistols in that size range to begin with.
The reason Beretta came out with a tip up model had nothing to do with the size of the gun but because blowback semi autos have a very strong recoil spring.
The Model 86 was not considered a large .380 when it first came out.....but by todays standards it is. It was a poor seller then, still is today.

MICHAEL T
May 24, 2011, 07:22 PM
In these small pistols The Beretta in 32 is close to a 380. Its not all FPS and FTLBS. it also where you place the bullet.

Their good ammo out their today for the 32 . Even 32 ball better than a unbrella.
All over the world people use a 32 for SD but in America land of huge cars and if doesn't start with a 4 I won't carry. 32 is looked down on.


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snooperman
May 24, 2011, 07:26 PM
Thanks for the info, sounds logical. Making a blowback in that small a package is probably going to be very heavy in recoil too.

makarovnik
May 25, 2011, 06:15 AM
Sure it's only a .32 acp but the Tomcat should fill the niche nicely.

340PD
May 25, 2011, 12:07 PM
revolver

jiminhobesound
May 25, 2011, 05:48 PM
If you do a search on the Tomcat you may find some problems exist with it. I bought my wife a FEG in .32 because of the problems cited with the Tomcat. I agree that, especially for women, and the elderly, a tip-up .380 is a great idea. Just make it reliable and inexpensive.

KodiakBeer
May 25, 2011, 05:51 PM
Buy a locked breech .380 instead of a blowback and nobody will have any problems racking the slide.

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