Current FOID Wait Time


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shotgunjoel
May 27, 2011, 02:04 AM
Hello all, us here in Illinois have these awful things called FOID cards, I'm sure you have heard of them. Mine expired April 1, 2011. I had sent in my application somewhere around the 15th of March (I know, should have sent it earlier). Any how, just got my new card today, about nine weeks later. Just thought I'd let my fellow Illinois citizens the current wait time on FOIDs. Oh, and as a side note, State law requires FOIDs to be processed within 30 days; to keep the state from essentially banning gun ownership by "processing" FOID applications for indefinite periods of time.

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elcaminoariba
May 27, 2011, 02:35 AM
Illinois has a lawless government and I suggest getting out because you are in danger.

The "foid" card is illegal. Thus Illinois is not governed by law. How bout a "spoid" card? (Speaker's ID card before you can use your freedom of speech). Or a "choid" card? (Church occupant ID card before you can choose your church). They don't even follow their own laws which they pretend are legal, by taking 3 times as long to process. Prima facia evidence of lawlessness by Illinois state government. Obviously you can say "well I eventually got my illegal permit so it's now fine" but lawlessness is dangerous.

ErikO
May 27, 2011, 03:51 PM
All I can say is at least nine weeks longer than on this side of the river. ;)

Ole Coot
May 27, 2011, 05:50 PM
Sorry if I don't understand but don't you have the right to vote? From what I read the mayor of Chicago dictated and eventually everyone must have complied, keeping him in office. I would think someone would run for governor and all local offices you could elect. It is simple here in WV and KY nobody would get elected being anti-gun or just maybe us Rednecks from the Hills have a long tradition of gun ownership. This isn't meant to be derogatory at all. I simply don't understand why. Is it possible the laws are there because the majority of the citizens agree with them?

Heretic
May 28, 2011, 01:36 AM
No, these criminals get in office because being dead doesn't interfere with your ability to vote.

shotgunjoel
May 28, 2011, 01:47 AM
All I can say is at least nine weeks longer than on this side of the river.
I don't want to here it.

Sorry if I don't understand but don't you have the right to vote? From what I read the mayor of Chicago dictated and eventually everyone must have complied, keeping him in office. I would think someone would run for governor and all local offices you could elect. It is simple here in WV and KY nobody would get elected being anti-gun or just maybe us Rednecks from the Hills have a long tradition of gun ownership. This isn't meant to be derogatory at all. I simply don't understand why. Is it possible the laws are there because the majority of the citizens agree with them?
Old Coot, here in Illinois there is a huge division between Chicago, and some of the suburbs, and the rest of the state. We both accuse the other of spending all of the tax money; Chicago says we spend too much on roads, "downstate" says that they spend too much on welfare and mass transit. Chicago has a big enough chunk of the population that they only need to carry a fraction of downstate's vote to get what they want. Plus with gerrymandering, Chicago's influence in the legislature is majorly amplified. Look at the recent map from the Governor's race: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/1min/elections/2010/state/IL_governor_375.png

Anyway, the point is that we are stuck with both FOID cards and Chicago, and until the later changes, neither with the former. Unless of course FOIDs get struck down as unconstitutional.

Birdmang
May 28, 2011, 01:52 AM
You have millions in Chicago that don't pay taxes, and live on social services, it just so happens these millions probably don't care about guns...but the people who will keep their social services coming dislike guns...now they can't get jobs but aren't stupid. They don't bite the hand that feeds.


This 9 weeks is great to hear...last I heard was 3 months, without complaining.

Kerf
May 28, 2011, 05:45 AM
I really can't wrap my head around what you guys are talking about. What's it like living in a Police State? I guess you don't really get to vote there, huh? Isn't what's his name from there, somewhere around there? You know, the golfer. I think you need to organize and all vote together to get your dignity back, if nothing else. That's how I see it.

Kerf

Onmilo
May 28, 2011, 11:03 AM
A Police State!!??
I can own all the semi auto weapons I want.
I can own all the normal capacity magazines I want.
I can buy as many guns in a month as I want.
I can buy all the ammunition I want.
The "Police". as a general rule, are quite friendly to the gun owning population, at least here downstate they are.

I may not like, condone, or appreciate the extra money the state squanders away from the additional taxation it imposes by making us have a FOID card on our person but it hardly makes this a "Police State".:scrutiny:

Birdmang
May 28, 2011, 11:15 AM
Its a "normal" feeling state for me.

No weird gun laws that bother/effect me. I also have never carried a gun for protection, so not having one isn't that bothersome, and I live by the oooo0000ooo so dangerous Chicago, and also go there frequently. I haven't been mugged/shot/stabbed yet.

The Foid card is troublesome, but it is good for 10 years, and I believe the background checks to get one are very good and supposedly better than NICS checks. So it kind of proves youre a good person haha.


EDIT: Not saying I don't want to leave the state, because I do. State financial reasons cause that, taxes, etc. Guns are on the bottom of the reasons to leave list.

stonecutter2
May 28, 2011, 11:29 AM
A Police State!!??
I can own all the semi auto weapons I want.
I can own all the normal capacity magazines I want.
I can buy as many guns in a month as I want.
I can buy all the ammunition I want.
The "Police". as a general rule, are quite friendly to the gun owning population, at least here downstate they are.

I may not like, condone, or appreciate the extra money the state squanders away from the additional taxation it imposes by making us have a FOID card on our person but it hardly makes this a "Police State".:scrutiny:
Agreed. It's massively annoying, and inconvenient, and I do think that it infringes on our 2nd amendment rights, however...we don't live in a police state.

The FOID card was created in 1968, after Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr got shot and killed. I think it was fear mongering at it's worst, and basically a tax on gun ownership...I have referred to it as "gun registration light." You need a card to do anything with firearms, but they don't require you to register guns or anything else.

Elcaminoariba, state's rights dictate that our FOID is not illegal, because the state imposed it on us by law. Is it unconstitutional? Well that's a court battle that someone should probably pursue, maybe someone already is. I don't know.

All I know is one thing: My FOID must be valid if I own firearms. I am a C&R FFL. My FOID expires in October. I'm sending in my renewal now, which will be good for 10 years. Why so early? Because I'm a responsible gun owner and I want to abide by the law as proscribed by the state that I live in. And I know from everyone else that I know that the FOID renewal process takes like 2 months, not 30 days as the law supposedly dictates.

I obey the laws, even the ones that I don't agree with, because they're the law.

You folks tell me - how many of you could just up and leave the state you live in, leave your job, move your family, find a new job that pays the same, buy a new house or get a new apartment, pay all the moving costs...just for a $10 card that takes minutes to apply for, and is good for 10 years?

I am far more upset about the fact that the state of Illinois infringes upon my constitutional right to keep AND BEAR arms. By not allowing both open carry and concealed carry, it is my opinion that the second part of that constitutional right is being denied to all gun owners of Illinois. I want to see that resolved before my $1/year tax on gun ownership gets resolved.

newbuckeye
May 28, 2011, 11:34 AM
The whole thing about having to register yourself and gain the permission of the state before you can even buy ammo makes it a police state. After you live in America where we dont have those registration requirements, the picture becomes more clear.

stonecutter2
May 28, 2011, 12:10 PM
The whole thing about having to register yourself and gain the permission of the state before you can even buy ammo makes it a police state. After you live in America where we dont have those registration requirements, the picture becomes more clear.
I'm sure it would be far more convenient to not have to apply for and show a FOID before buying ammo, but again I don't think it defines us as a police state.

It's a state that instituted it's own background check process before the federal background check system was put in place. If anything, it's arguable that the FOID and federal background check are redundant. It's a waste of tax payer's money both in performing the background check, issuing the ID, and making us pay $10.

But it's not like we need Officer Friendly to show up and approve of us buying guns and ammo every time we do.

Ole Coot
May 28, 2011, 10:52 PM
Thanks for the information. I guess once a reactionary law is passed and at the time it seems to be the "political" thing to do to get elected I imagine it's as tough there as anywhere else to change the system without being in it. It's tough to leave an area you grew up in for a job. We had nothing and I spent 17yrs working in DC, no guns period and my VA carry permit not recognized. Glad I retired 15yrs ago.

JTHunter
May 28, 2011, 11:31 PM
Onmilo - it sounds as if you have yet to deal with some of the local PD's in St. Clair and Madison counties.

SublimeSilence
May 29, 2011, 01:14 AM
If you dont get your foid in 25ish day call in and complain. I didnt get my renewal by the 27th day called in and complained and had it express delivered 2 days later. If you don't call they won't do anything about it. But if you do call they will hurry their asses off to get it to ya.

Onmilo
May 29, 2011, 03:18 AM
JTHunter, no I have not.
County cops in my area of the state and their primary concerns are meth heads, drunk drivers, and farm burglary.

newbuckeye, you need proof of age to buy ammunition anywhere in this country and that requires a drivers license or State ID card which registers you as a citizen of a particular state and verifies your age.
Coming from Ohio where the state police always struck me as jack booted thugs your comments suprise me and your knowledge disappoints.

Apocalypse-Now
May 29, 2011, 05:41 AM
glad i live in a free state :D


hoodlums can get guns easier than law abiding citizens in state like IL.

Heretic
May 29, 2011, 11:03 AM
Iowa doesn't have a FOID, but no class II or classIII. Thinking about moving someplace more like America.

Kliegl
May 29, 2011, 02:07 PM
Illinois is one of the few states where one cannot exercise their right to carry arms which is a God given right, and codified by the US Constitution, which I still believe holds power over Illinois. Also, one has a right to not be encumbered by regulation against buying weaponry.

Also, limiting the types of weapons is unconstitutional. Saying that we will not allow certain large guns is like, and I apologize, only freeing slaves that weighed under 175 lbs as part of the language of the 13th Amendment.

You know that quote about good men, evil, and doing nothing? By putting up with it and not moving, that's doing nothing.

Black Butte
May 29, 2011, 02:56 PM
Anticipating bureaucratic delays, I was smart and submitted my renewal application a full 6 weeks early. In the end, I was without a valid FOID card for 3 weeks because it took these clowns 62 days (that's 9 weeks) to process my renewal. During the interim, you're not even allowed to touch a firearm or any ammunition.

Owen Sparks
May 29, 2011, 03:20 PM
How long before your Illinois Bible permit expires?

What about your free speech license?

Smaug
May 29, 2011, 06:30 PM
It's all well and fine to make fun of us Illinoisans. But the fact is we have no control over these laws. We vote in our own best interest, but there are too many sheep who believe everything they see in the news and on TV.

I fully agree that our state government is corrupt. Two governors in a row who were proven corrupt, the corrupt Chicago mayor was smarter and managed not to get caught. He easily defeated his opponents every time they ran. Whenever we get a chance at someone who appears to be good, they either don't last long enough to be a serious candidate or they get stomped by the guy with more money for campaigning. I vote for the right people, but it doesn't seem to matter.

The only good things I can find about living in this state are:


We have GREAT sweet corn
We are on one of the great lakes
We are close to Wisconsin, which is beautiful
Cultural things to do in Chicago, such as world-class museums, opera, concerts of all kinds
Great public transit in and around Chicago
Last but not least, my family is here. It will be a shame when/if I leave them.

I've experience it all, and now I'm ready to go.

Yep, I'm trying to get out of here as quick as I can, but sadly, it will depend on my wife's career. Her career will dwarf mine, so we'll need to follow that. She's Polish, and Chicago has the highest population of Poles outside of Warsaw. It makes her quite valuable here.

As much as I love my guns, there ARE more important things in life.

rogertc1
May 30, 2011, 05:56 AM
Heretic ; Iowa doesn't have a FOID, but no class II or classIII. Thinking about moving someplace more like America.


I have no issues living in Iowa. I have had a Concealed Carry Licence for 40 years and tons of guns. Sure I can't own a DD, Silencer, SBR or Machinegun but no biggie. Saves me paying the feds extra money.
We have great sweet corn and live near Chicago if'n we want big city visits to ride the subway and see Cub games.

I lived in IL a couple years and even had a FOID Card. I kept my Iowa licence too.

Blue Line
May 30, 2011, 10:03 AM
Out of staters can't buy or even handle a gun in IL because of the FOID. I go visit the in-laws and I look at the fishing stuff in Gander because of it. I always buy my ammo here at home before heading up there to meet my BiL's for pheasent season in IA.:banghead:

Rifleman 173
May 30, 2011, 10:10 AM
FOID wait time is generally about 8 to 12 weeks. The ISP has 2 guys who do the FOID issuing and they're always backed up and behind times because the state would rather give their money to Chicago to waste instead of hiring additional people.

shotgunjoel
May 30, 2011, 11:19 AM
Alright guys, settle down. We all realize that FOID cards are almost certainly illegal for many reasons, but until we win a couple of court cases over the it, we still have to have them.

Kliegl
May 30, 2011, 04:26 PM
If you're not outraged, you're doing it wrong?

Apocalypse-Now
May 30, 2011, 10:45 PM
aren't handguns illegal in chicago (cook county)?

shotgunjoel
May 30, 2011, 11:51 PM
aren't handguns illegal in chicago (cook county)?
Not technically. Perhaps you've heard of a law suit called McDonald v. Chicago. Now there are so many hoops to jump through to get you one year permit, that by the time you have it, it's time to start applying for the renewal.

Apocalypse-Now
May 30, 2011, 11:53 PM
^^yeah, i read about that court case, but it's ramifications weren't clear.

from what you say, it sounds like it didn't change anything at all. that's too bad.

thanks for the info, i was just curious :)

wow6599
May 31, 2011, 01:20 AM
Out of staters can't buy or even handle a gun in IL because of the FOID.
Not true. I bought a Remmy 870 outside of Murphysboro, IL on a whim. My wife and I were visiting her parents, went to look at guns with my father-in-law and they only wanted $299 for a NIB 18" 7 shot 870. Paid for it, he said I was supposed to wait 3 days............


Back to the FOID card, the folks of Illinois can only blame themselves. They're the voters.......

Apocalypse-Now
May 31, 2011, 01:28 AM
Back to the FOID card, the folks of Illinois can only blame themselves. They're the voters.......

well, i've noticed in states with useless democrats (like MA and IL) in charge are generally put there by welfare constituents. they vote for the folks that are guaranteed not to mess with their welfare payments. unfortunately, they outnumber gun owners.

Owen Sparks
May 31, 2011, 01:35 AM
How long is the waiting period for a BOID card? (Bible Owners Idintification Card)

Illinois is no longer America!

Apocalypse-Now
May 31, 2011, 01:42 AM
6 days.

Kerf
May 31, 2011, 04:56 AM
Wasn’t there a Chicago politician whose FOID card expired and he had a bunch of guns, so he tried to pass a law making an exception for his situation? How egregious is that?


I wish I lived in Illinois.

I would organize a group of gun-friends 3 or 4 and target (I don’t mean that in the vernacular sense, i.e. to shoot, “select” would be a better word) an anti-gun political figure and just concentrate on his defeat in the next election. I would have some pamphlets to hand out and just spend time going door to door talking to people nicely, encourage them to get out and vote. Co-ordinate with his opponent, who maybe just as bad if not worse than the incumbent, and volunteer your time to getting this one particular person defeated. In the end you may not win, but I’m sure your efforts would put a discernible dent in the number of votes he receives on Election Day. He would see those numbers and other politicians would see those numbers, and other voters would see those numbers. Politicians aren’t dumb. They fear a large turn out of voters and single-issue voters. Other voters who are fed up would rally to your lead. These politicians would then have to ameliorate their positions on FOID and guns in general.
I think it’s worth the fight, (should I say “effort”). Good Luck.

Kerf

cardinalfan
May 31, 2011, 08:36 AM
A friend of mine from IL came to visit last year. We ended up at a local gun store looking at guns. When he saw the price of some 22 ammo (he and his wife like to go plinking with his Ruger) he asked me what he had to do to buy some ammo. The guy behind the counter heard him and said "cash or credit". He told him he was from IL, and what would he have to do to take it home with him. "Put it in your car and drive home".

Apocalypse-Now
May 31, 2011, 02:56 PM
I wish I lived in Illinois.

:eek:

JoeMal
May 31, 2011, 02:59 PM
I had to renew last year and had mine in about a month...anything longer than that and I would be raising hell.

PapaG
May 31, 2011, 10:45 PM
We process about ten a day in the shop....and tell the person seeking the FOID that it will take anywhere from three to eight weeks for it to arrive at their door. We process and mail each day.
The law here in IL states that they MUST (ISP) within 30 days with the FOID or a refusal but I think they don't open a new batch until somtime after they have completed another pile of older ones.
If your card is not there in four or five weeks, go to the isp website and inquire.
Strange that the law says they have to respond in 30 days and don't but if we don't have a valid FOID we are in violation, even if we applied way ahead of time.
My wife and I applied for ours on the same day. She had hers in three weeks, I had mine in seven. She's much better looking than I am. I'd have thought they'd have kept her picture up in front longer than mine.
Illinois, where the governors make the license plates.
Illinois, where three counties out of 102 can elect a governor.

ThePunisher'sArmory
May 31, 2011, 11:06 PM
You have millions in Chicago that don't pay taxes, and live on social services, it just so happens these millions probably don't care about guns...but the people who will keep their social services coming dislike guns...now they can't get jobs but aren't stupid. They don't bite the hand that feeds.




You pretty much summed it up. Hell why do you think obama's in office? Because I remember hearing alot of "we's fitna get some obama money!" on the news!! Plus.......obama was elected out of Illinois??? Furthermore how did we end up with a repub senator yet kept a crooked POS like pat quinn in office as gov?......Oh ya its becase the people who pop out a kid for a pay raise don't even know what a senator is. They just be know'n quinn will raise the state income tax on the working class and give it to the "less fortunate".

FOID wait time is generally about 8 to 12 weeks. The ISP has 2 guys who do the FOID issuing and they're always backed up and behind times because the state would rather give their money to Chicago to waste instead of hiring additional people.

Thats about right. Now if "we the people" in "Illinois"would only secede from the state of "Chicago" we would not have to deal with all this stupidity. The other problem with Chicago is the fact that the mob lost power......so they decided to go into politics.........

heeler
May 31, 2011, 11:48 PM
Wow!!
I am practically speechless after reading this...
I have heard various things about this so called Foid card and have heard and read of other states such as N.J.,the city of New York,etc.about their anal and ridiculous gun laws but for someone from Texas this stuff is very frightening indeed.
I just could not deal with such an overbearing situation as this.
Good luck folks guiding your states back into the real and old America.
Christ!!

shotgunjoel
June 1, 2011, 01:01 AM
from what you say, it sounds like it didn't change anything at all.
Actually, it is our greatest victory since at least FOPA '86 (less the Hughes Amendment) because it incorporated the Second Amendment to the states. That means that the states can't pass laws that violate the Second Amendment, and we can challenge in court any existing laws that do violate the Second Amendment.

Wasn’t there a Chicago politician whose FOID card expired and he had a bunch of guns, so he tried to pass a law making an exception for his situation? How egregious is that?
That was with a Chicago alderman who's registration (for the city of Chicago, not Illinois) on his guns expired. By Chicago law once a gun's registration expires, it can never be registered again (That's how they banned handguns, they closed the registry). What this guy did was get the city to pass an amnesty period which only lasted for a very short time so that he could re-register all of his guns.

Apocalypse-Now
June 1, 2011, 01:17 AM
does IL have a "DOJ list" of approved guns, like CA and MA?

Owen Sparks
June 1, 2011, 01:43 AM
How many former Illinois govenors have gone to prison?

PapaG
June 1, 2011, 09:51 AM
At least two, Ryan and Walker. One more is about to go, already convicted on one charge and standing trial for many others (corruption, trying to sell a senate seat, obstruction, etc). We've had a bunch of other elected officials convicted.

shotgunjoel
June 1, 2011, 10:44 AM
does IL have a "DOJ list" of approved guns, like CA and MA?
No, just some sort of ban on "Saturday Night Specials", I think that the law says no cast zinc frames.

Toaster
June 1, 2011, 03:52 PM
Illinois is no longer America! ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Really? Strange...

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 1, 2011, 05:29 PM
Quote:
does IL have a "DOJ list" of approved guns, like CA and MA?

No, just some sort of ban on "Saturday Night Specials", I think that the law says no cast zinc frames.

ONLY IN CHICAGO!!!! The rest of the state is pretty much free......aside from the whole state having to follow the FOID law, and using steel shot for waterfowl. Illinois SUCKS, but its not as bad as some of you make it out to be. If any of you are deer and waterfowl hunters we have some of the best properties to hunt! So we got that going for us! Lastly I will say this, theres alot wrong with Illinois, yet theres alot right, but the "rights" of this state will not keep me here.........only my family and the fact that I can't sell my damn house keeps me here.

Apocalypse-Now
June 1, 2011, 05:51 PM
No, just some sort of ban on "Saturday Night Specials", I think that the law says no cast zinc frames.

what's their definition of "saturday night specials"? is it .38 snubbies, or any cheap little pistol like lorcin or jennings?

i remember hearing about this ridiculous law a while back lol

shotgunjoel
June 2, 2011, 01:41 AM
and using steel shot for waterfowl.
That's federal law.

No, just some sort of ban on "Saturday Night Specials", I think that the law says no cast zinc frames. what's their definition of "saturday night specials"? is it .38 snubbies, or any cheap little pistol like lorcin or jennings?
I said in the quote you took that I think it is zinc frames that makes a gun a "Saturday Night Special" in Illinois. Therefore Lorcin and Jennings are out. I've never seen one here that I can remember.

Apocalypse-Now
June 2, 2011, 08:33 AM
So, the democrats believe guns with zinc in the frame are more dangerous? :confused:

Don't you just love nonsensical liberals?:scrutiny:

silversport
June 2, 2011, 10:07 AM
there is no ban on zinc parts or pistols in Illinois...isn't the slide on a Walther P-22 zinc???

Bill

shotgunjoel
June 2, 2011, 01:19 PM
So, the democrats believe guns with zinc in the frame are more dangerous? It's because making a frame from cast zinc is much cheaper than steel. Therefore, in their view cheap to make guns are bad.

there is no ban on zinc parts or pistols in Illinois...isn't the slide on a Walther P-22 zinc???
I said zinc frames, not zinc parts. Also, I'm not even sure that that is the definition that they use.

silversport
June 2, 2011, 04:28 PM
ok...but you can own firearms with zinc in them in Illinois...
Bill

Apocalypse-Now
June 2, 2011, 04:54 PM
i understand IL's reasoning. zinc clearly makes guns more dangerous....:eek:

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 2, 2011, 05:40 PM
there is no ban on zinc parts or pistols in Illinois...isn't the slide on a Walther P-22 zinc???

Bill


i understand IL's reasoning. zinc clearly makes guns more dangerous....

CHICAGO'S!!!!!!

Would you guys read my posts.....The Walther P22, Sig Mosquito, Phionex Arms HP22, etc., and any small snubnose revolver (Saturday Night Specials) can not be owned, sold, or bought in CHICAGO!!! They are legal in the rest of the state that has freedom! Alot of these stupid laws were put into place in CHICAGO when daley was in office. Zink is seen as an inferior alloy to CHICAGO police and therefore they have banned pistols made of it!! CHICAGO has also banned so called "assault weapons" and magazines above 10 rounds. Again a CHICAGO law ONLY. Most all of the stupidity in Illinois is only in Cook county!

Links.....READ THEM:
http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/ordinances.cfm
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/07/robert-farago/download-list-of-chicagos-unsafe-handguns-here/

P.S. I own 3 AR-15s, 50+ 30,20,and 15rnd mags., a Sig Mosquito, and a Walther P22.........and I live in Illinois.

Apocalypse-Now
June 2, 2011, 06:33 PM
Illinois???

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 2, 2011, 06:36 PM
Apocalypse-Now how old are you?

Apocalypse-Now
June 2, 2011, 06:45 PM
12 :uhoh:

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 2, 2011, 06:51 PM
It shows :rolleyes:

Apocalypse-Now
June 2, 2011, 07:50 PM
:eek:

silversport
June 2, 2011, 08:32 PM
CHICAGO'S!!!!!!

Would you guys read my posts.....The Walther P22, Sig Mosquito, Phionex Arms HP22, etc., and any small snubnose revolver (Saturday Night Specials) can not be owned, sold, or bought in CHICAGO!!! They are legal in the rest of the state that has freedom! Alot of these stupid laws were put into place in CHICAGO when daley was in office. Zink is seen as an inferior alloy to CHICAGO police and therefore they have banned pistols made of it!! CHICAGO has also banned so called "assault weapons" and magazines above 10 rounds. Again a CHICAGO law ONLY. Most all of the stupidity in Illinois is only in Cook county!

Links.....READ THEM:
http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/ordinances.cfm
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/07/robert-farago/download-list-of-chicagos-unsafe-handguns-here/

P.S. I own 3 AR-15s, 50+ 30,20,and 15rnd mags., a Sig Mosquito, and a Walther P22.........and I live in Illinois.
I was responding to shotgunjoel...you are not the only one responding here...I just don't like to see false information get perpetuated...as I see you don't either...
Bill

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 2, 2011, 08:50 PM
Well sir we were both right. Its chicagoland that's the problem. Now if only we could rally Illinois to secede from chicago!!!

silversport
June 3, 2011, 12:04 AM
...cheers!
Bill

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