I think its time for the Mil Spec to go back to the Armory...


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0to60
May 27, 2011, 07:30 PM
I just got this SA Mil Spec a few months ago and have put only 750 rounds through it. Last night while cleaning, I noticed this chunk missing. It might be hard to see what you're looking at here, but this is the gun all stripped down except for the trigger, and the chunk is missing from the bottom of the hole that the disconnector goes into.

At first glance I thought this was a notch that was supposed to be there, but no. The edges are jagged and its irregularly shaped. I'll be calling Springfield to see how they want me to proceed.

Overall, its a nice gun and pretty accurate, but I can't say I'm impressed with the quality. First off, its proudly stamped "made in brazil" on the side. I was kinda hoping I'd get an american made 1911, but sometimes its up in the air where things are made. The action of the gun is nice. The slide works very smoothly and it sounds good. Oddly enough, it feeds SWC better than RN bullets. The sights are TERRIBLE. I bought the Mil Spec over the GI because the Mil Spec had 3 dot sights, but the front dot is hard enough to see that it might as well not even be there. And the rear sight? The dots were stamped slightly crooked; they're not parallel to the horizon. The sights are VERY unimpressive. And the finish? Forget it, its awful. You can *almost* scratch it with your fingernail. It has the feel of very fine sandpaper, like the kind you'd wetstand your car with. It picks up THOUSANDS of scratches, and wherever metal touches metal, the finish is history. I'm concerned that I'm gonna start seeing corrosion in places where bare metal is exposed (and that's a lotta places). I suppose that's my fault for not fully understanding "parkerizing". I was thinking it was gonna be more like the finish on my Glock.

So as far as mechanical action and shooting, its fine. As far as durability, I gotta give it two thumbs down. As far as frills, well, its a Mil Spec. What do you expect?

Moral of the story? If you're in the market for a $600ish 1911, check out the Ruger SR1911. Its stainless and the sights are outstanding. Mililtary spec is cool for nostalgic reasons, but when it comes to a gun that's gonna be your buddy and you're gonna bond with it and put thousands of rounds through it, you'll prolly want a bit better than what the military spec'd out.

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RevolvingGarbage
May 27, 2011, 07:45 PM
When you get it back, sell it ASAP and find a nice used Colt Government, stainless if you don't mind having a shiney gun!

I chose mine over a brand new Mil-Spec, and I have never looked back!

http://i51.tinypic.com/n3t6qt.jpg

I only paid $20 more for the Colt than the new Springfield cost!

Skylerbone
May 27, 2011, 10:48 PM
If it were me, and I'll get flack for saying it, buy a $3 paint marker from WalMart and touch up the front sight. Take a Sharpie and black out the rear sight. No, don't repaint the dots, just try it with front only. Wrap some 220 grit around a 4 penny nail and smooth the edges of that chip. Take some Hoppes gun oil and a rag to the outside.

As far as metal on metal contact goes you'll have to be more specific. If you mean under say the thumb safety, sand any high spots to prevent further scratches.

Don't give up and loose money on an otherwise reliable pistol. If it malfunctioned or didn't shoot straight I would have said send it in.

Effigy
May 27, 2011, 11:19 PM
As to the sights, I recommend buying some bright acrylic paint or nail polish to repaint the sights. I did that recently on my Kel Tec PF9 and it makes a big difference. I used some fluorescent yellow nail polish on the front sight and fluorescent orange on the rear sights; got it for $1.99 a bottle at Walgreens.

Liberty1776
May 27, 2011, 11:33 PM
so if it's made in Brazil, is it manufactured by Taurus, only less reliable? Not being sarcastic, but I would sort of expect a SA to be made here...

JohnGalt88
May 27, 2011, 11:50 PM
Almost all of Springfield's 1911's are Imbel imports. Imbel BTW makes more 1911 and 1911 style guns than just about anyone and is a major worldwide firearms producer. Some of there nicer lines are made here however. I think everything south of the Range Officer is imported (though i am not 100% sure about that). I think i takes around a grand to get a MADE IN THE USA pistol from Springfield, if that's important to you.

Had a long argument the other day about where XD's were made. A friend who owns one was 100% sure that Springfield wouldn't import a gun from somewhere he had never heard from (Croatia) and sell them as XD's. :banghead:

0to60
May 28, 2011, 12:01 AM
Had a long argument the other day about where XD's were made. A friend who owns one was 100% sure that Springfield wouldn't import a gun from somewhere he had never heard from (Croatia) and sell them as XD's. :banghead:

It says right on the grip, "Made in Croatia".

I actually asked the question here before buying, which 1911's are made in the US. Basically, it sounded like "there's no way of knowing for sure". If you buy from a big company, you really don't know where they're gonna have parts manufactured. Even Smith and Wesson has some things brought in from abroad. Its a global marketplace, and "made in the US" is becoming a bit ambiguous.

Skylerbone
May 28, 2011, 06:49 AM
All SA 1911s, XDs and XDms are made elsewhere. Springfield Armory Inc. doesn't make anything. On SOME of their 1911s they finish the rough forgings to fit the slides but they are all made in Brazil. The XD line is Croatian, an established line rebadged for SA.

S&W, Colt, Ruger and Remington are all made here meaning the major parts are forged/cast here. Others outsource for parts (like Caspian frames).

Country of origin has less to do with quality than materials and the hands that put them together.

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