"The Duke" Tribute... What's wrong with this picture?


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mgregg85
May 27, 2011, 10:02 PM
I was skimming through a new issue of Guns & Ammo when I spotted this...
http://southernmagnolia.com/john%20wayne/0107202001The%20Duke%20Straight%20Shooter%20Replica.jpg

Anybody else see something wrong with this image? Besides ugliness.

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joeq
May 27, 2011, 10:12 PM
How about the loading gate on the left side. I guess it makes for a nice picture.

Chindo18Z
May 27, 2011, 10:13 PM
Aside from the loading gate located on the wrong side for a Colt SAA?

Maybe it's a Great Western Prop Gun (or they reversed a negative of the print).

:)

Kendal Black
May 27, 2011, 10:14 PM
Gate on the left? You say that like it's a bad thing. :rolleyes:

Sunray
May 27, 2011, 10:22 PM
The loading gate aside. It looks like a picture of an SAA photoshopped into a picture of a holster that would be open at the bottom.

Liberty1776
May 27, 2011, 10:30 PM
Y'know, actually as a right-hander I believe it would be easier to load if the gate was on the left...

Tomcat47
May 27, 2011, 10:32 PM
That was one of them Colt SAA "south paw" in South Paw Leather! :scrutiny:

But It would be cool on the wall....I like the Duke! :D

JEB
May 27, 2011, 10:48 PM
yeah i noticed that too in when i got that issuse of G&A. really pathetic that they would make that big of a mistake!

LHRGunslinger
May 27, 2011, 10:53 PM
DeSantis got it right with their John Wayne Centennial set

http://www.desantisholster.com/store/JOHN-WAYNE-CENTENNIAL-SET/john-wayne-centennial-set

Tommygunn
May 27, 2011, 11:15 PM
Aside from the loading gate being on the wrong side, there are no screws seen on the frame. Being a Colt, there should be three visible; one for the hammer, one for the trigger and one for the bolt that locks the cylinder.
I think the photo has been reversed much like the image of Billy the kid that is often seen where he's holding a Winchester and has a revolver on his left hip.
I am thinking this is one of those pot metal replica guns that might have a rotatable cylinder, but be incapable of actually firing anything.

Heretic
May 28, 2011, 12:30 AM
All of the above, plus it's made out of resin.

9mmfan
May 28, 2011, 04:20 AM
loading gate faux pas aside, there is a lack of the reassuring twinkle of cartridge rims just aft of the cylinder. I would assume that, much like myself, The Duke would never holster an unloaded weapon.

Apocalypse-Now
May 28, 2011, 04:46 AM
doubtful the graphic arts firm that created the image knows what a loading gate is. who cares? lol

ichiban
May 28, 2011, 07:35 AM
Also, just to nit pick.
He was called "Duke," not "The Duke." It was a nickname not a title.

InkEd
May 28, 2011, 08:42 AM
Yes, he was techinically call "Duke" but there is no mistaking he was "THE Duke," not to be confused with some wimpy posh royal type.

CraigC
May 28, 2011, 10:50 AM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
It is.

WNTFW
May 28, 2011, 11:03 AM
His shirt should be Red, not Blue???

Wait, I sound like I a reference to a Monty Python movie.

Jim Watson
May 28, 2011, 06:45 PM
I think Heretic is right, it is a plastic non gun, if not a complete artist's (ignorant) conception.

Owen Sparks
May 28, 2011, 07:13 PM
The negative probably got flipped, it happens all the time in the graphic arts business. For many years people thought Billy the Kid was left handed because of this.

BTW Sam Colt was left handed. Many right handed people prefer the loading gate on the left side and several custom gunsmiths have made frames to accomidate them. I doubt this is one of them though.

Walter
May 28, 2011, 07:38 PM
Liberty1776 Y'know, actually as a right-hander I believe it would be easier to load if the gate was on the left..Problem with that is, you'd have to move the ejector rod and housing over to the left side too,
and that would look just plain "strange".:eek:

Walter

Apocalypse-Now
May 28, 2011, 11:42 PM
anyone seen running scared with paul walker? "you don't talk about the duuuuke!" lol

Kendal Black
May 29, 2011, 12:50 AM
I think the SAA's loading gate is on the wrong side in real life, and I'm right handed. I find the thing is faster to reload (okay, less slow) if I hold it in my left hand. Sam Colt was a lefty? Makes sense...

smince
May 29, 2011, 09:29 AM
If the negative got flipped, wouldn't the wording be backwards too?

Owen Sparks
May 29, 2011, 01:10 PM
If the negative got flipped, wouldn't the wording be backwards too?

Actually with the new digital photography and computer type setting you can crop out any portion of an immage and "flip" it. the badge was probably added later. Notice also that the holster is left handed. This is good quality work but it was obviously done by a non-shooter.

RimfireChris
May 29, 2011, 01:48 PM
Actually, I thought the loading gate was on the right side of the frame to accomodate it being used by cavalry, IIRC, they were trained to switch the gun to their left hand and reload that way.

rcmodel
May 29, 2011, 02:20 PM
Sam Colt was a lefty? Makes sense... No, it doesn't.

First, Sam Colt died in 1862.
The Colt SAA revolver came out in 1873, 11 years after his death.

The actual reason?
The nipple capping cut-out on Colt cap & ball revolvers, and the loading gate on the SAA is on the right so you can hold the gun in the weak left hand and handle tiny percussion caps and bigger cartridges with your generally more dexterous right hand.

If you don't believe it?
Try capping a percussion Colt revolver at full gallop with your left hand some time!!
Assuming you are right-handed of course.

rc

HGUNHNTR
May 29, 2011, 02:36 PM
Sign me up for a revolver with a picture of a guy that pretends to be a sherrif on it.

JN01
May 29, 2011, 05:37 PM
I recall that a few years back, someone was producing SAA type repros, except with the loading gate on the left side, specifically for easier right hand reloading. Can't remember who the maker was though.

Malamute
May 30, 2011, 10:44 AM
I'm not a believer in the "SAA's are left handed" thing either. Someone hit the nail on the head, it's much more efficient to unload-load with the gun in the "dumb" left hand, letting it rotate the cylinder, and running the extractor rod and handling cartridges with the right hand. Even without trying to reload on a running horse, I haven't seen any reason to think doing it backwards handed is quicker or better in any way than letting your best hand do the hardest work. Reloading a single action can be relatively quick (based on most peoples comments, and watching most shooters operate them), depending on technique.

rcmodel
May 30, 2011, 01:05 PM
Can't remember who the maker was though.Bill Grover and Texas Longhorn Arms.
They were all hand built, and cost about the same as a new Chevy!

He didn't make very many, and then he died.

Still, I contend the conventional Colt design with the loading gate or capping cut on the right side is a right-handed persons gun, as I outlined in post #26.

It's just plain awkward & slow handling loose shells or percussion caps with your left hand!

rc

Justin
May 30, 2011, 01:12 PM
I'm utterly amazed that people waste good money on tacky crap like these reproduction guns.

CraigC
May 30, 2011, 07:59 PM
Sam Colt was a lefty? Makes sense...
First, there was the capping recess, on the right side, so that capping could be accomplished with the more dextrous right hand. Then came the cartridge conversions, the loading gate was on the right side to facilitate loading with the right hand. Sam Colt was long dead when William Mason designed the model P. The sixgun was designed specifically for Army contract. Colt offered the 1871-1872 Open Top model .44 rimfire to the Army. They rejected it, wanting a solid frame and a .45 caliber cartridge. The result was the Single Action Army only a matter of months later. If the sixgun would've been better operated by soldiers, who we can presume were predominantly right handed, with the loading gate on the left side, don't you think the Army would've ordered it that way??? Of course they would.

I'm right handed but load with my left hand and the loading gate IS on the correct side.

Kendal Black
May 30, 2011, 10:04 PM
Hmf. I have trouble seeing the starboard loading gate as anything but a design and tooling vestige of Sam's percussion revolvers.

This I can say firsthand, it is more convenient to load a SAA if I hold its grip in my left hand. If, hypothetically, I had to abort the loading process midway and shoot someone, I would have to take the shot left handed, to get it done ASAP. I think it's dumb.

jgiehl
May 31, 2011, 03:59 AM
Personally the holster coming up the trigger guard that way kind of stood out to me.
Looks a little funny.

CraigC
May 31, 2011, 10:41 AM
I have trouble seeing the starboard loading gate as anything but a design and tooling vestige of Sam's percussion revolvers.
It is, just not for the reason you think. In the early years, Colt lived and died by the military contract. Do you really think he would've designed his guns for 11% of the population? The SAA was purpose-built for the military. Do you really think the Army would not have ordered it on the left side if that was best for their application? This nonsense about it being because Sam Colt was left-handed is a myth that needs to die.


Personally the holster coming up the trigger guard that way kind of stood out to me.
Looks a little funny.
What's funny about a design feature that has been in place for a hundred years or more? You'll see the same thing on a great many single action holster designs, new and old.

rcmodel
May 31, 2011, 10:50 AM
Personally the holster coming up the trigger guard that way kind of stood out to me.
Looks a little funny. Actually, the holster was the only thing they got halfway right for a vintage holster.

http://www.epsaddlery.com/pc-30-10-1890-original-holster.aspx

But of course, John Waynes holster wasen't made like that.
http://www.epsaddlery.com/pc-16-10-44-outfit-holster-only.aspx

rc

Dimis
May 31, 2011, 11:16 AM
so honestly what exactly is wrong?

is it just the reversed image thing or is there more?

i thought maybe they spelled his name wrong or something important lol

pockets
May 31, 2011, 12:16 PM
Why is this belt holster 'hanging' from a thong?
While the loop may be hidden behind it, I see no way of attaching the holster to a belt.

What's wrong? I'd have to say; "D, all of the above" .... or possibly; "What isn't wrong?".

.

Kendal Black
May 31, 2011, 05:54 PM
I have trouble seeing the starboard loading gate as anything but a design and tooling vestige of Sam's percussion revolvers.
It is, just not for the reason you think. In the early years, Colt lived and died by the military contract. Do you really think he would've designed his guns for 11% of the population? The SAA was purpose-built for the military. Do you really think the Army would not have ordered it on the left side if that was best for their application? This nonsense about it being because Sam Colt was left-handed is a myth that needs to die.

Hmm... So, when the military went to swing out revolvers, why didn't they insist they open to the right?

I cannot sell myself on the idea the military always orders what makes the most sense, thinking for example of the charging handle location on the M16.

Regardless of the exact cause, situating the gate on the right on the SAA was a mistake: It's not a feature, it's a bug. What was the cause of the mistake? It was a carry over from the percussion Colts. Why was the scallop cutout, for capping, there on the cap n' ball Colts?

It is fact, not conjecture, that Sam Colt was left handed, but whether that had anything to do (unconsciously perhaps) with where the scallop ended up would seem as hard to disprove as to prove. Your 'handedness' influences the way you look at things, surely, and not always in ways you are aware of.

There is the famous story about Colt's first revolver design, carved by hand from wood. Certainly your 'handedness' influences the way you hold things, and whittle. Does anyone know if he continued to design by modeling? It was common practice at one time: Hand build a prototype and then take the production dimensions off of that.

So if the early Colts were hand modeled by a lefty, some of that influence may have crept in. I do not insist on the theory. I just heard of it, for the first time, in this thread. A plausible alternative theory about the SAA is that cavalry revolvers were left handed weapons anyway: Your right hand was for your saber. I'm not sure that makes sense either...

The Army also bought Schofields, which of course did not open to either side, but upward.

Cosmoline
May 31, 2011, 06:00 PM
I'm going to buy one of these when they dedicate it to "Marion Morrison, The Singing Cowboy"

Jim Watson
June 1, 2011, 02:15 PM
In 'The Probability Broach' and sequels, Mike Morrison didn't have to take a stage name to be successful.

Toaster
June 1, 2011, 02:36 PM
The whole thing is just one big piece of molded resin. The image isn't reversed, this is how they're manufactured. The faux handgun can't be pulled out of the faux holster. The faux holster can't be put on a gunbelt. It's just one big hunk of plastic made to be hung on the wall, probably next to the painting of John Wayne on black velvet that was purchased in the parking lot at a strip mall.

crracer_712
June 1, 2011, 04:16 PM
It's just a wall hanging, flat on the back side. I know this because I saw this in my dad's house one day.

rondog
June 1, 2011, 10:45 PM
It's just a wall hanging, flat on the back side. I know this because I saw this in my dad's house one day.

Order your own from The Franklin Mint today! Just 20 easy payments of $49.95.....

Apocalypse-Now
June 2, 2011, 08:46 AM
so honestly what exactly is wrong?


is it just the reversed image thing or is there more?


i thought maybe they spelled his name wrong or something important lol


The only things wrong with the image stem from a graphic design firm that is inexperienced with guns. It's as simple as that.

Many folks on his thread are blowing it WAY out or proportion LOL

CajunBass
June 2, 2011, 08:52 AM
I'm surprised it has a loading gate at all. I'm willing to give them a pass on which side.

kdave21
June 19, 2011, 12:09 PM
It's just a wall hanging, flat on the back side. I know this because I saw this in my dad's house one day.

I will tell my children that if I ever buy something like this to get a power of attorney right away, I am officially wasting the inheritance!

Seriously though, to each his own, but in general I avoid resin items commemorating Hollywood actors, but Im sure many of my interests seem downright foolish to others, so I will refrain from judgement :)

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