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taotaogalu
May 29, 2011, 03:02 AM
I live on the tiny island of Guam.Im part a few other forums but am new to the highroad.I open carry where ever and would like to know where to start on discussion groups and what not.I also guess I can say that I am one of few if not the only person on Guam that currently open carries a firearm,and would like to meet other people who might be here,that does the same.Feels lonely sometimes not knowing if someone practices the same rights we all have here on the island.Thank you.

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JellyJar
May 30, 2011, 12:06 AM
Hello

Welcome to The Highroad.

What are the gun control laws like in Guam and what type of gun do you carry?

Owen Sparks
May 30, 2011, 12:24 AM
Is there any violent crime on Guam?

goon
May 30, 2011, 12:42 AM
Agreed - please educate us on the gun situation in Guam!

I don't know about where you might find other shooters in your area but the Internet allows us to discuss guns with each other from all over the world.

talldragon
May 30, 2011, 01:06 AM
Wow, I am curious as well.
Especially, how the gun laws are applied in US territories such as Guam, Marshall Is.,Puerto Rico etc.

I know taotaogalu can only speak for his territory of Guam.

Vapor63
May 30, 2011, 03:50 AM
My family is from Guam, but I was raised in the US and am very disconnected from the culture these days. While my Chamorro relatives seem like they would be pro-gun, I don't believe any of them own any, aside from the usual old shotgun or .22 you might find laying around. I visited only once, while much younger, but did not see any guns or people carrying. In fact, I don't think I even saw any police. Right on for exercising your rights, but I can't imagine many chamorro own or carry pistols because there isn't much of a gun culture there. Moreover, I think I saw on google maps that there is only one range, and not much land to shoot on.

I'm curious what it's like. Do people hassle you? Are there places to shoot other than the one range? Is what I read about having to register pistols with the sheriff true?

MarkDozier
May 30, 2011, 05:26 AM
Hafa Adai Brother! Welcome

Owen - yes there is violent crime on Guam. Right after I left a shipmate was beaten and raped by a gang of punks.

funny thing Guam is the only shooting range i have ever been thrown out of. reallly racist place that was for JAP's only. It was on hotel row.

I love Guamian food. that is where i got hooked on tabasco.

Rubber_Duck
May 30, 2011, 05:37 AM
Hafa adai and welcome taotaogalu,

I am currently stationed in Guam. I love it here but the local people seem to be hit or miss. But the food and activities make up for it. But yes to crime, especially locals vs US Military personnel. I wanted a CCW for this reason. Most violent crimes are just beatings and theft. Guam isn't big enough to have real gangs and almost everybody is related, so they just have "fight clubs" that troll for trouble in the bars downtown. Stay away from local girls, I know a couple guys that flirted with locals girls only to get beat up! Hopefully that answers the question about violent crime in Guam.

I almost PCSed with all my firearms here but didn't because I didn't. Knowing what I know now it would've been easy. Except I own a dozen and a half guns and to pay a $40 registration fee on each one is ridiculous. The police system is very corrupt here and I wouldn't trust them handling my guns in any way, I've heard some first-hand horror stories about Guam PD.

Anyway, with a box of .223 being $24 out here shooting isn't a popular sport so even if I did bring my guns I would've paid a lot of money to have them here and not shoot them much. I find it odd that you would open carry in Guam, this is a very strange place to do it as firearms are not part of the culture here. Are you LEO by any chance? I wanted to obtain my CCW here as well but the system is so corrupt that unless you are a politician or a big business owner with connections to people in the PD you are not going to get one. MAY-issuse state. Finding a shooting range is a lot of work, one of the only decent ones closed down and the only private rifle range left is on an appointment-basis, you have to call ahead of time so they can have somebody there for you. Real inconvenience.

I have only met one local who owns guns here so it is safe to say gun owners are scarce here. But there is a board at dragguam.com/dragboard where you can buy/sell firearms (if you have a permit) in Guam and meet other owners. I missed a USP 45 for $450 because I didn't bother to get a gun permit in the off-chance that I may find a deal like that. But typically prices are higher. I've seen Colt AR-15s selling for $1500 and a Walther P22 at a gun store for $600.

I think the citizens of Guam should take advantage of the right to own firearms, they still have it easy compared to most countries. I feel the culture just doesn't lend itself to firearm ownership in the first place. No assault weapons ban here so that is good, but no NFA items allowed.

This is what I can tell you about Guam, I cannot speak for the other islands in the Marianas Islands, Micronesia, the FSM, Puerto Rico, or any others.

candr44
May 30, 2011, 12:58 PM
Wow, I am curious as well.
Especially, how the gun laws are applied in US territories such as Guam, Marshall Is.,Puerto Rico etc.

I don't know about gun laws on Gaum or Puerto Rico but in the Marshall Islands its illegal to own a gun. Its also not a U.S. territory but a different country.

I have met people there who claim to have guns left there during WW2 including full auto guns. I don't know if they were telling the truth but considering all the WW2 junk left there it could very possibly be true. You can still find all kinds of ammo washing up on the coral reefs.

talldragon
May 30, 2011, 01:47 PM
in the Marshall Islands its illegal to own a gun. Its also not a U.S. territory but a different country.

Pardon my gaffe :o . I normally fact-check before posting.

Tinpig
May 30, 2011, 02:40 PM
Welcome, taotaogalu!

I was only in Guam once, passing through on the way back to RVN after R&R in Hawaii in 1969. But I did get to enjoy the awesome power of B-52s seemingly falling off the cliff at the end of the runway as they took off into the evening sky.

For anyone interested, here's Scott Duff's article about the Garands of Guam:

http://www.scott-duff.com/GuamMono.htm

Tinpig

Rubber_Duck
May 30, 2011, 06:17 PM
But I did get to enjoy the awesome power of B-52s seemingly falling off the cliff at the end of the runway as they took off into the evening sky.

We have B-52s here right now. Just watching do a low fly-by and hearing those 8 screaming engines gives any American goosebumps, that is the true sound of freedom! They are amazing planes, IIRC the AF doesn't plan to retire them until 2040. There are pilots out there flying them right now who had fathers that flew them in Vietnam.

LeonCarr
May 31, 2011, 12:23 AM
IIRC there are a few THIRD generation B-52 pilots/crew members out there, a testimony to a great aircraft. To stay on topic, it would be nice if Guam had more shooters.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Kendal Black
May 31, 2011, 02:14 AM
On topic: Taotaogalu, welcome to the discussion!

Off topic: The Buffs should have been retired a generation ago. After a certain point, an airframe is parts flying in formation.

USAF_Vet
June 1, 2011, 11:24 AM
Having flown through Guam a dozen times in the AF, I saw and heard a lot about the thefts and beatings. I don't recall seeing anything that was overly gun related, I don't even recall if Anderson AFB even had a rifle range. They probably did, but it would be off limits to civilians. I'm curious to know how you are treated while open carrying. A lot of places in the States OC is seen as very odd and out of place, unless it's hunting season.

jahwarrior
June 1, 2011, 11:39 AM
it's illegal to carry a gun in PR, unless you're LEO, period. you can own a shotgun or rifle, because people down there do hunt, butyou can forget about owning and carrying a handgun legally. PR is a may-issue territory, but right now, there's some action being undertaken to bedcome shall-issue. hopefully, if it happens they'll have reciprocity with some of the states' licenses.

InkEd
June 1, 2011, 11:49 AM
B-52s

Given the length of service, there are probably pilots flying B-52s that had GRANDfathers flying them too. Truly, they are one of our most iconic airplanes and can still get the job done pretty well.

I would compare them to the 1911 pistol. It's an old reliable design. They are heavy and slow but tough as nails. Despite their age, there isn't too many things that are really alot better. They are American icons and have been used in about every conflict for the 50 years. Also, even when they are replaced the B-52 (like the 1911) will still have diehard fans that would still select them over more modern equipment.

Sam1911
June 1, 2011, 12:20 PM
Taotaogalu, WELCOME to THR! Glad you're here. This is a truly international community (though we do get pretty preoccupied with state-side stuff) and we will greatly benefit from your contributions to our forum.

Please share whatever you can about the gun culture on Guam, common and uncommon arms you've seen there, the laws, the rules (both official and unofficial), opportunities for shooting, and your experiences.

Unistat
June 1, 2011, 01:49 PM
B-52s

Given the length of service, there are probably pilots flying B-52s that had GRANDfathers flying them too. Truly, they are one of our most iconic airplanes and can still get the job done pretty well.

I would compare them to the 1911 pistol. It's an old reliable design. They are heavy and slow but tough as nails. Despite their age, there isn't too many things that are really alot better. They are American icons and have been used in about every conflict for the 50 years. Also, even when they are replaced the B-52 (like the 1911) will still have diehard fans that would still select them over more modern equipment.
I saw a show (on the History Channel, I think) that showed three generations of crew that all had flown on the same B-52.

Sam1911
June 1, 2011, 05:01 PM
(Ahem...while they are very cool, this isn't the "B-52 Channel." Let's drop that subject and not derail Taotaogalu's thread or get it closed.)

Rubber_Duck
June 1, 2011, 06:58 PM
I don't even recall if Anderson AFB even had a rifle range.

Yes we do have a range, down by the beach. Not sure if privately-owned firearms are permitted. Hunting is allowed 4 days out of the week year-round in the surrounding jungle, hog and deer are popular (the hogs moreso because the deer on this island are tiny, the size of large dogs).

This is our rifle range. Navy also has one at NCTAMS which is also a rifle range but at the top of a cliff and the range itself is smaller but much nicer than what the AF has. Ours is run down but I'm thankful for the overhead cover.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=143251&stc=1&d=1306965455

taotaogalu
June 3, 2011, 05:05 AM
To me Guam is actually pro gun, I get the ocational "that guy has a gun hmmm look" but people dont get bothered with it.They dont go call the cops and say theres this guy with a gun, the local LEO`S aren't that bad either haven't encountered one yet while carrying but alot of them support open carrying, as long as you comply with the law and have your credentials you`ll be just fine. But if anything no problems so far,just wished i knew other people who carries legally and openly as i do, it`s just people dont understand what says on there FID`S that you may carry "shotguns,rifle`s,and handguns in a nonconcealed status".


Ohh for jelly jar I own a few guns bushmaster M4 with a knights rail with a grip pod, surefire tactical light,eotech 552.
XD subcompact with a crimson trace laser grip. primary carry weapon.
Mosberg 500 tactical 500 with a BSA red dot aimpoint.
Springfield armory micro compact.
and im currenlty in the process of acquiring a barret M107A1

Rubber_Duck
June 3, 2011, 08:44 AM
Welcome, taotaogalu!

I was only in Guam once, passing through on the way back to RVN after R&R in Hawaii in 1969. But I did get to enjoy the awesome power of B-52s seemingly falling off the cliff at the end of the runway as they took off into the evening sky.

For anyone interested, here's Scott Duff's article about the Garands of Guam:

http://www.scott-duff.com/GuamMono.htm

Tinpig

Just read that piece, very cool information. One of my coworkers has a friend off-base that owns of the Garands used in the liberation of Guam. Very sentimental rifle and the history is significant for the Chamorros.

But back on topic, I wish the concealed carry laws were more forgiving here.:banghead:

jahwarrior
June 3, 2011, 11:08 AM
Ohh for jelly jar I own a few guns bushmaster M4 with a knights rail with a grip pod, surefire tactical light,eotech 552.
XD subcompact with a crimson trace laser grip. primary carry weapon.
Mosberg 500 tactical 500 with a BSA red dot aimpoint.
Springfield armory micro compact.
and im currenlty in the process of acquiring a barret M107A1

i jelly. :(

:D

Carne Frio
June 3, 2011, 11:53 AM
Welcome to this fine forum !

I lived in Guam from 1959 until 1966. I went to high school and
college there. I pretty much lived at the beaches and hung around
with the Palauans, Yapese and Hawaians. I remember the fiestas
in Dededo were the best. I lived in Tamuning and Agana Heights.
Got to talk to a lot of older people about the occupation. I also
had friends that were into collecting artifacts from the war. One
even blew up his house and himself with an old mortar shell.

It seemed to be not too friendly for handguns, at the time.
I got to go shotgun hunting for fruit bats a few times. That
was fun, running around in the jungle at night with a 12 gauge.

Glad to see there are still active shooters there.

taotaogalu
June 4, 2011, 10:28 AM
Thanks to all the warm welcomes,really appreciate it. Times have changed here alot since the 50`s and 60`s and so on from what I here from old timers, Guam has really modernized and alot more gun friendly i just recently went out to dinner with my family down at Tumon.Get lot`s of smiles from other people, got to educate a few people on the subject of firearms and firearm laws and that "It`s totally normal for people to carry guns" and that it`s not against the law as long as you comply with regulations. CCW permit laws are very unforgiving and very very hard to acquire i just got a dissaproval for my application after waiting 60 days,but open carry is easily done without so far without prejudice.

taotaogalu
June 4, 2011, 10:07 PM
Guam today is pretty forgiving when it comes to guns,theres just not alot of people willing to actually practice there rights to bear arms. I guess you can say that subject of carrying firearms is still very taboo,people would get a FID but not know what they actually have and what it entitles them to do.

Rubber_Duck
June 5, 2011, 08:08 AM
taotaogalu,

What is your open carry firearm? And how is the humidity treating your guns? I came here from the high desert of New Mexico with almost no humidity and enjoyed being able to wait a few days without cleaning my Mosin-Nagant after corrosive ammo and not have to worry about rust (unless I left them at my friend's house with his swamp cooler, no bueno!). I'm glad in some ways I did not bring my guns to Guam, like not giving any of my money to the corrupt cops off base and not worrying about corrosion. I can't even go outside to take a picture without finding a way to warm up my camera because the lens just fogs over so bad. I can't wipe it because it's a DSLR. 90% humidity sucks!

taotaogalu
June 6, 2011, 05:04 AM
My primary is a xd 9 subcompact,I sometimes carry a springfield 1911 micro compact.But the xd is my primary,when my crossbreed arrives for the micro 1911 i might carry that one more often.As for the humidity I guess I can say that the humidity treats my firearms very well, when I store I store them a little bit wet but when it`s time to go to the range Wipe the excess CLP off and apply a very light cote just to avoid smoking. Thats for the long guns for the pistols i keep in a nice lock box very very lightly oiled since the box is pretty much airtight. But after use I usually clean right away when I get home just to get it over with,and while doing so I find it very calming.





I went to american grocery to buy some ice cream, on the way out where the security check your recite, he waves to me go ahead and says very nicely
"good night officer" lol thats a first.-just wanted to share

SwampWolf
June 8, 2011, 09:26 PM
Though I can't answer your question, your post reminded me of the time I spent as an Air Policeman stationed at Anderson AFB , back in the early sixties, during the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, Typhoon Karen, President Kennedy's assassination and when B-47 bombers and KC-97 tankers were on "alert" status and Air Policemen were issued 1911 pistols.
But the part I remember most and most regret is the occasion when I was shopping at a local hardware shop in downtown Agana and espied a brand new Winchester Model 71 sitting on a rack, replete with yellow and red hang tag and a price of around $98.00. To this day, I have no idea as to why any Guamanian merchant would have a Model 71 rifle in inventory when the most dangerous animals on the island were coconut crabs and the size of the deer dwarfed by the likes of Lassie. I have even less of an idea why I ever passed on snapping the big Winchester up on the spot...:(

Carne Frio
June 9, 2011, 12:04 AM
I went through typhoon Karen. I was in high school; the same one
that the Air Force used for their dependents.

They did hunt for feral hogs there.

taotaogalu
June 9, 2011, 04:10 AM
We do today have a big problem with stray dogs,but in a way they dont really cause any harm.But nice to here your stories of how it was back in the day here, did people carry firearms more often back in the 60`s or was it taboo like it kinda is today?

IronSightRot671
July 25, 2011, 03:56 AM
Welcome, I'm from Guam as well chelu!

Franco2shoot
July 25, 2011, 12:23 PM
Hey SwampWolf, you and I prolly passed each other on the streets..got there in 64 worked at NavalSecurityGroup command. Back then the island was still very remote. You had Anderson, the NSG, and the Naval station at the other end. Talafofo falls and jungle in the middle. I remember pal'ing around with a Guamanian guy that had a .45 cal Tommy gun and shooting cocoanuts on the beach on the side opposit of Agana harbor.
No idea where he got the ammo.


KKKKFL

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 25, 2011, 02:45 PM
Do you open carry a sub compact? Do you use a OWB holster? Its just me but you should get a full size handgun for OC. Doesn't look strange then :D

taotaogalu
July 26, 2011, 03:40 AM
I open carry a xd sub compact nine using a IWB holster from crossbreed,I use to use a blackhawk serpa CQB but it was to bulky for me.The crossbreed holster is alot more comfortable for me and it`s not that bulky,it`s got good retention when you where it but I adjusted the retention a little bit more for my liking.And it does look weird open carrying a sub compact in a OWB holster

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 26, 2011, 11:59 AM
I figured, I once saw a security officer at a fair with a Glock 26/27/33 in a belt holster. gave me a chuckle on how it looked.

SwampWolf
July 26, 2011, 01:44 PM
Hey SwampWolf, you and I prolly passed each other on the streets..got there in 64 worked at NavalSecurityGroup command. Back then the island was still very remote.

Lots of things on Guam have changed in the intervening fifty or so years, Franco2shoot. My next door neighbor has a son stationed at Anderson AFB and the pictures of Guam that he sends home makes the island look more like a Hawaiian resort beach than the godforsaken rock bobbing around in the Pacific ocean that I remember. When I was stationed there, the buildings on Anderson AFB were mostly Quonset huts and we were still on the look-out for Japanese soldiers prowling the jungles who didn't know the war was over.

I still have a booklet prepared by the Management Analysis Division Directorate of Comptroller, published in early 1963, entitled "Typhoon Karen:The Day Autumn Came to Guam". As a preamble to the report, the following information was provided:

"...Twenty days 'Before Karen' (back then, before 'women's lib', all typhoons and hurricanes were given feminine names), President Kennedy imposed a Naval blockade on the island of Cuba and placed all military units on an increased readiness status...This state of readiness greatly increased the effectiveness of the typhoon preparations..." Nevertheless, "As the 200 miles-per-hour winds of Typhoon KAREN subsided early on the morning of November 12, 1962, the storm-battered residents of Guam, military and civilian, emerged from their shelters to a scene of unparalleled destruction. Never before had Guam been so lashed by a storm; perhaps never before had any island in the Pacific been hit so hard by a typhoon. Government of Guam officials estimated that 90 percent of the Island's homes and businesses had been destroyed or badly damaged, and military installations, though less ravaged than the civilian communities, had been badly hit..."

As a member of the Air Forces security force, I was armed with a Remington Rand 1911 pistol and an Inland M1 .30 caliber carbine. Times have indeed changed.

Years later, I recall reading where "Hunchback Harry" (the name Air Policemen gave to the Japanese soldier we thought was still surviving in the jungle and partially subsisting on refuse from the air base-there was some evidence to support the rumor) and a couple of his compadres had finally surrendered to (or was captured by, I don't remember which) Air Force authorities.

pksqd
October 31, 2011, 02:23 PM
hey everyone... i'm also from guam. i'm relatively new to the shooting community having purchased my first personal weapon feb 2011. it was purchased in las vegas and i did open carry... but only on my way to the range.

since returning to guam in april, yes i brought the glock 23 with me, i've not been to a range and have open carried only once. i received some really bad looks at the kfc in hagatna and my buddies and i left as the manager was making a phone call.

as everyone has already stated... the gun shops here are pretty expensive.

there's a shooting range on andersen afb and nctams for military personnel.

there are a few "shooting galleries" that are geared toward the japanese and korean tourists. they don't seem to have shooting packages geared towards military or locals. (too bad... there's lots of money to be made)

i've only heard of 2 ranges that allow you to use your own weapon... one in piti and one in talofofo or inarajan... i forget which

i've recently completed my gunsmithing course and have looked for employment here. most of the shops are family owned and don't hire outsiders. i've yet to meet anyone at these shops that do any real work apart from mounting scopes. most of the ffl's out here just use them for sales of weapons and ammo... i think one or two may be doing reloads.

taotaogalu
November 1, 2011, 01:36 AM
nice to hear from you sir glad to know there are other open carriers on Guam that take the initiative to practice there rights.We should do a open carry event sometime and try to spread the word...Ohh and i also open carried at hagatna KFC did not have any problems at all a few looks but nothing serious.

SSN Vet
November 1, 2011, 11:05 PM
shooting any brown snakes?

pksqd
November 2, 2011, 04:02 AM
sounds like a plan @ taotaogalu. they'll be increasing the fees for firearms registration next year... i think a bunch of the local firearms owners will be meeting up sometime to discuss that.

no need to shoot them @ ssn vet. they're pretty slow. you can easily get close enough to use a machete. i even pick them up... if my dogs don't kill them first.

Dutchman195
November 2, 2011, 04:33 AM
Hi,
I am new here as well and would like to say it's glad to meet you (over the internet). Hope you enjoy your stay here. So far I have been very warmly welcomed.

taotaogalu
November 3, 2011, 04:48 AM
sounds good if ever the time comes when we all come together to discuss these matters please email me ASAP i would like to get involved.

pksqd
November 5, 2011, 09:10 AM
thanks @ dutch

will do @ ttg

maybe we should get all the guam shooters together and send some lead downrange...

dukduk
January 27, 2012, 06:05 AM
Hoi!

Ragnar Danneskjold
January 27, 2012, 06:29 AM
Is there any violent crime on Guam?

Anywhere there's human beings, there's human beings doing the wrong thing.

Guamerica
January 27, 2012, 08:47 AM
I also live on Guam. Nice to see a few other members here from Guam!
I recently got into shooting as well and I'm not too familiar with the open carry laws. I have a firearms ID yet they gave me no briefing on what my rights are regarding firearms nor is there any easily acquired documentation on the subject.
Gun ranges are few and far unfortunately. The Piti range is 50 yards max. I've never been to the local gun clubs which seem more geared towards Japanese and Korean tourist. In my opinion they're missing out on a huge market and one of these days my friends and I are going to capitalize on this.
Any way, ammo here is ridiculously expensive. Street price of ammo on Guam:
Box of 50 rounds:
9mm: $21-26
.40: $35
.45: $36
38spl: $21-33.
etc.

We're actually going to the Piti range tomorrow to try out about 15 guns that my friends and I just purchased. Can't wait to try my CZ!

Guamerica
January 27, 2012, 08:53 AM
Recently, there's been quite a surge of violent crimes on Guam. Murders, rapes, assaults, robberies you name it. It actually a bit concerning. I'm going to soon apply for my CC permit. Hopefully, I can BS enough to convince them.
Unfortunately, I'm not related to any important decision makers here.

Franco2shoot
January 27, 2012, 09:33 AM
I know its a little off topic, but sure would like to see more pictures. When I was there all up and down the side of the island between Agana and Anderson was populated, but the side between Yona, and Anderson was pretty much wilderness. I'm sure that's changed.

KKKKFL

Flopsweat
January 27, 2012, 11:04 AM
OpenCarry.org has a Guam section. I haven't read any threads there but other forums that I do read on that site are very informative.

taotaogalu
January 29, 2012, 05:21 PM
In actuality there are no writin guide lines on open carry only cc per chapter 60 of Guam uniformed code. I was going to the range Saturday but had to work the whole weekend.txt me sometime 6863098 we should shoot sometime

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