1 and only 1911... willing to spend $1000+


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rogerjames
May 29, 2011, 05:13 AM
Looking for a 1911...

This will primarily be a range gun... unless I love her too much too leave her at home :D

I love my XD9 and this is my primary carry.

My primary reason for wanting the 1911 is the desire to own a piece of history and I know that this means COLT... but I also want a slick shooter.

For those COLT fans... which one and why? Is there a reliable source to purchase government issued weapons?

If not COLT... Les Baer, Kimber, Dan Wesson, etc... WHY?

Thanks!

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RH45
May 29, 2011, 05:46 AM
I bought a 70 series, Colt, Gold Cup, back in the 70's, and eventhough it ate everything I put through it, I wasn't impressed with the accuracy, and sent it to Clark Custom to be accurized. It shoots 2" groups at 50 yards, but, it hasn't been out of the safe since I bought a Les Baer, Premier II, with the 1 1/2" @ 50 yard group guarantee.:eek:

If your limit is $1,000, I'd suggest an STI Trojan. I bought one a few years ago, and like it so much that I bought a second one.:)

rogerjames
May 29, 2011, 05:58 AM
$1000 is a ballpark, not a limit :)

RH45
May 29, 2011, 06:10 AM
If you look around, you may be able to find a lightly used, Les Baer, Premier II, for a little less than $1,500. I think new ones can be had for about $1,800.

mbopp
May 29, 2011, 06:55 AM
You may want to look at the Springfield Range Officer.

JTQ
May 29, 2011, 07:53 AM
If is only one (or a first), I'd get the Colt Series 70 Repo.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtPistols/ColtSeries70.aspx

It will give you the experience of the what the 1911A1 was like for most of its' history, though the Series 70 Repo actually has sights you can see.

If you later decide you want another one, you can always get the extended beavertails, Novak/Heinie/Meprolight/etc glow-in-the-dark sights, full length guide rods, extended "Combat" thumb safeties, ambi-extended "Combat" thumb safeties, external extractor, ramped barrel, high cut checkered/serrated front strap, flat mainspring housing, extended magwell, front cocking serrations, a "bobtail", skeletonized trigger/hammer, etc.

Jed Carter
May 29, 2011, 08:35 AM
STI 1911s are shooters they start at $625, for right at your 1K target the STI Trojan is really a great pistol, I shoot one in IDPA / USPSA matches. If you are going to use your new 1911 for mainly range use I would get one with adjustable sights. S&W, SIG, Springfield Armory all make good to great shooting 1911s but I would choose my STI over all I own. Why? STIs work right from the box, have one of the best stock triggers, and match grade barrels even on the low priced Spartan.

Usmc-1
May 29, 2011, 09:35 AM
$1000+ ? Wilson Combat or Les Baer !!!

rellascout
May 29, 2011, 10:24 AM
Under $1000 get a Colt 70 Repo or the Combat Elite depending on which flavor you like more. Old school go for the 70 series. Tactical cool go with the Combat Elite. These will be well made have the Colt name on them and will retain value as long as you do not abuse them. Sold basic 1911 which will be more accurate than most shooters. Fit and finish will be high but not as nice as semi-customs. Fewer MIM parts than most. Did I mention they are Colts. LOL

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/Randy_Kern/My%20guns/ColtCombatElite6.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/DSCF1924.jpg

At $1200 or so a used Dan Wesson RZ Heritage. High quality 70 series pistol with forged frame and premium parts. 90% of the way to a semi custom for about $700 less. Will be tight in the barrel and bushing as well as the slide to frame. These are the base gun from DW and IMHO are some of the nicest production 1911s on the market.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/62348.png


Les Baer TRS or Ultimate Carry II which is the same gun without the TRS logos... $1900. For all the same reasons listed above + its fit and finish will be superior. The only down side to a Baer is the bluing is not as strong as other finishes. Serious business no nonsense 1911 which IMHO you will have to spend double to best.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/les-baer-trs.jpg

Zerodefect
May 29, 2011, 11:32 AM
See if you can dig up a Dan Wesson Valor or Hertitage Razorback (2010+ models).
Dan Wesson has some really ecellent parts, all the right stuff. Good fit/finish and excellent reliability. Check for barrel play and for front sights that are too tall.

I also like the Les Baer Monolith. Very tight, accurate, reliable, durable. A bit ugly and utilitarian looking compared to other expensive 1911's. But you can refinish them later when they're old and worn. All the right parts except sights and thumb safety (personal preference).

Both are great 1911's to start with.

38 Super Fan
May 29, 2011, 11:56 AM
For around $1400-$1500 you should be able to find a nice lightly used Baer, from a quality standpoint in that price range you can't really do much better.

918v
May 29, 2011, 12:07 PM
A Springer Custom Carry will satisfy your requirements, and is better made than the others.

Apocalypse-Now
May 29, 2011, 12:20 PM
springfield armory PRO or Custom Carry :)

Nushif
May 29, 2011, 12:37 PM
The only 1911 I ever actually really fell for, even after shooting it ...
Colt New Agent (9mm)

yhtomit
May 29, 2011, 12:54 PM
With your budget, I would be looking for a (bobtailed) stainless Dan Wesson. I think they're beautiful, and their owners all seem pleased.

With *my* budget, I'm considering shifting some of the gun kitty for an SR1911 -- I like what I've heard thus far about the Ruger, I like that it's stcainless, I expect them to treat problems wiith appropriate care, etc. Have shot, but never owned, a 1911, though, so trying to approach carefully. And a S&W 617 is higher on the list right now, so I can shoot .22 while saving money toward other stuff ;)

timothy

mr. bggs
May 29, 2011, 02:36 PM
+1 on the dan wesson. ive owned more colts than i can remember but they are mass produced guns. there is minimal hand fitting of parts to compete with the likes of kimber and springfield who crank out 1911's by the truck loads. the dan wesson is a gun i resisted for a long time and finally i broke down and bought a guardian in 45... it is unbelievable. for the money, i believe it to be an excellent well made gun. my gunsmith said the same. if you can get a used baer or wilson for 1500-2000k why not get a brand new gun that is every bit as good in his opinion. and i agree. go to a store that carries dan wesson and hold one. if you are not impressed, then go get a custom gun used with a few thousand rounds through her. you have a fun decison making process ahead of you. jmho.-bggs
heres a few pics of mine.
slide to frame fit is incredible
http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt166/tsman2006/dw4.jpg
excuse the oil marks, she was 5 mins old and just outta the wrapper.
http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt166/tsman2006/dw3.jpg
the bobtail frame with the slim grips makes it feel like a 9mm instead of a 45 acp.
http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt166/tsman2006/dw1.jpg
heres the whole package. and it comes with two check mate mags.
http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt166/tsman2006/dw2.jpg

mnhntr
May 29, 2011, 02:46 PM
STI, Dan Wesson, heck even the new SR1911 from Ruger and save yourself some cash. I just sold one of my Springers to get a SR1911.

rellascout
May 29, 2011, 03:06 PM
While i like the Guardian I paid less for a my TRS LNIB than people are paying for a NIB Guadian. The TRS was not even broken in. IIRC it had less than 200 rounds down the pipe. Again IIRC I paid somewhere near $1300 give or take. Unless carry is the primary use the compromise in an Alum are not worth it IMHO. If you want a Bobtail get a CBOB or VBOB unless your primary role is carry.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/IMG_0078.jpg

CBOB

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/dwcbob01smxs0.jpg

PS slide to frame fit is the most overrated trait in 1911s IMHO. It translates to less the 10% of total accuracy but people treat it like it is the end all be all. It is a decent indicator of overall fit and finish but for my money barrel to slide fit in lock up is much more important to accuracy.

rogerjames
May 29, 2011, 03:07 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions gentleman. I forgot to mention that I have small hands. Not sure if this would alter any recommendations.

Bill_G
May 29, 2011, 03:13 PM
i'd go with a smith and wesson 1911. many models to choose from.

rellascout
May 29, 2011, 03:15 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions gentleman. I forgot to mention that I have small hands. Not sure if this would alter any recommendations.

All 1911s will fit you just fine... even ones like SA who do not use the original spec for grip radius are slim by todays standards.

38 Super Fan
May 29, 2011, 06:41 PM
springfield armory PRO or Custom Carry

The Pro is awesome, but you're not gonna find one for anywhere near $1000.

Apocalypse-Now
May 29, 2011, 07:06 PM
The Pro is awesome, but you're not gonna find one for anywhere near $1000.

in the title of thread, he clearly indicated that he's "willing to spend $1,000+" ;)

38 Super Fan
May 29, 2011, 07:44 PM
in the title of thread, he clearly indicated that he's "willing to spend $1,000+"

Even a used Pro will probably run $2000+, just sayin'. :p

Apocalypse-Now
May 29, 2011, 07:57 PM
lol :)


i have seen folks on 1911forum getting them used for around $1,800 though

38 Super Fan
May 29, 2011, 08:08 PM
i have seen folks on 1911forum getting them used for around $1,800 though

If you can find one at that price it's definately a great buy, a used one on GunBroker currently has a bid of $2400.

Apocalypse-Now
May 29, 2011, 08:11 PM
^^always overpriced on gunbroker LOL :)

gunbroker is a good reference though, just check the price on there, and assume the price is lower in the real world lol

38 Super Fan
May 29, 2011, 08:32 PM
^^always overpriced on gunbroker LOL

gunbroker is a good reference though, just check the price on there, and assume the price is lower in the real world lol

You can find good deals on GunBroker, it helps if you're very patient, I've gotten several good deals there. :)

Apocalypse-Now
May 29, 2011, 08:46 PM
^^that's true. i've got a relative that's found some good deals on there too. they are few and far between, though, like you said :)

918v
May 29, 2011, 09:53 PM
PS slide to frame fit is the most overrated trait in 1911s IMHO. It translates to less the 10% of total accuracy but people treat it like it is the end all be all. It is a decent indicator of overall fit and finish but for my money barrel to slide fit in lock up is much more important to accuracy.


Accuracy is not the only consideration when looking at slide to frame fit. How long will the accuracy remain with a sloppy slide fit?

38 Super Fan
May 29, 2011, 09:57 PM
^^that's true. i've got a relative that's found some good deals on there too. they are few and far between, though, like you said

As if on cue, excellent price on a Pro:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=232858134

Apocalypse-Now
May 29, 2011, 10:10 PM
^^1,800 bucks, told ya! lol

man, wish i had some spare cash :what:

JROC
May 29, 2011, 10:17 PM
I have a Colt Combat Elite with a few add ons, and I love it. It is a great shooting pistol. Very accurate, and reliable so far. I wanted a Colt, and I feel that it's a great looking gun. I think I paid about $940 for just the gun including shipping and dealer transfer fee's.
http://i53.tinypic.com/jszv9v.jpg

38 Super Fan
May 29, 2011, 10:18 PM
^You and me both, I just bought a Python on GB a couple days ago, so I'm out of luck on this Pro. FWIW, that seller has never sold a gunon GB, so I might pass if I had the cash anyway.

Apocalypse-Now
May 29, 2011, 10:23 PM
^^good call. no way i would buy a used gun from a first time seller. that's just asking for a headache lol


congrats on the python, best DA revolver trigger pull i've ever seen was on a python.

rellascout
May 29, 2011, 10:37 PM
Accuracy is not the only consideration when looking at slide to frame fit. How long will the accuracy remain with a sloppy slide fit?

The rear view of slide to frame fit does not = accuracy. Even if it is not super tight it will not amount to more than 10% of overall accuracy. That percentage will not change regardless of round count.

You have bought into an ascetic characteristic and mistake it for a accuracy characteristic. IMHO

918v
May 29, 2011, 11:01 PM
I'm not talking about the rear view of the slide. I'm talking about the amount of play between the slide and frame rails.

lono
May 29, 2011, 11:22 PM
My vote is for a doublestar 1911. They are just under 1200, have a forged frame and slide, match barrel and bushing. The best part is that they are produced by a small company in Winchester Kentucky. BTW I do own one and it is the most accurate handgun I have ever owned. I have put around 1000 rounds down range without any kind of malfunction.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411542857

38 Super Fan
May 30, 2011, 12:58 AM
congrats on the python, best DA revolver trigger pull i've ever seen was on a python.

Thanks! :)

ugaarguy
May 30, 2011, 02:11 AM
A bit of a repeat, but I'll reiterate my thoughts from the "Best 1911 for the money thread" currently running. Just over $1k, I think Springfield Operators are a great value. Getting closer to $1.5k, while the SA TRP is quite nice, I think a $600 to $700 base gun with $700 to $800 of customization from top 1911 pistolsmith is far more gun for the money. Under $1k I've always been impressed withe fit and finish on every NM prefix Springfield I've handled or fired.

Apocalypse-Now
May 30, 2011, 02:15 AM
^^yep, the operators are awesome, especially for the money. mine as been more reliable than some of my glocks lol

ugaarguy
May 30, 2011, 02:28 AM
Yep, recently picked up a used, ANIB unfired LW full size operator for under $1k out the door. It's been nothing but rock solid. My beater 1911 is an early Kimber Classic Custom from before their quality went down hill. Those are great pieces, but they're getting a bit hard to find anymore.

Skylerbone
May 30, 2011, 02:39 AM
Colt Wiley Clapp. Who could argue with that purchase this year?

Apocalypse-Now
May 30, 2011, 02:51 AM
Yep, recently picked up a used, ANIB unfired LW full size operator for under $1k out the door. It's been nothing but rock solid.

cool :) yeah that's got the same frame as my champion operator, just longer barrel. mine's been stone reliable too. gotta love those operators :)

Bill_G
May 30, 2011, 04:15 AM
smith 1911

DRYHUMOR
May 30, 2011, 10:41 AM
Check out

http://www.chamberscustom.com/about-us

http://www.chamberscustom.com/gallery

Joe is beginning a new series called the WMG. Working Man's Gun, everything you need and nothing you don't. His plan is to build a couple a year.

Check out the groups in some of the gallery pics, those are 10 rounds at 50 yds.....IIRC
The target for my Springer 9mm after rebuild measures .920" for 10 shots at 50 yds.

For a 1 and only 1911, it would be a good choice.

rellascout
May 30, 2011, 12:18 PM
I'm not talking about the rear view of the slide. I'm talking about the amount of play between the slide and frame rails.

I understand what you are talking about but it still accounts for 10%or less of accuracy in a 1911. If it is out of spec and is battering itself to death that is a different issue. I'd it has a little play it is not the issue people make it out to be.

Skylerbone
May 30, 2011, 03:03 PM
Aparently with my 1911s the other 90% of accuracy comes from my dad holding them...;-)

isc
May 30, 2011, 04:03 PM
Buy a RIA for $400, replace the crappy grips ($20) and buy 4 or 5 top notch magazines ($80). Then take it to a good smith to do a trigger job on it ($100) and buy $400 worth of ammo to practice with.

You'll come out way ahead with a better gun and better skills.

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