Having 2nd thoughts on swithching carry caliber


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thefamcnaj
May 29, 2011, 03:49 PM
Hello highroaders,
I know this is going to be long but bear with me please
The first gun i ever bought was a glock 27, meant to be an all purpose gun because I hadn't yet been bitten by the gun bug. When I bought it I was a big fan of the 40s&W. Simple self reasoning really, it was bigger than the 9mm and cheaper than the 45 acp. Since I thought it was the perfect round(because I had nothing to compare it to) I bought two more(g23 and usp 40).
After many range visits and shooting other calibers I told myself," Its time to step up to the big boy" So I bought a couple of 45 acp's(g30,xdm) and loved them both.
Then I wanted something cheaper to shoot so I got a couple of 9mm's(px4 storm, g19) and loved them too. I was amazed at how accurate I was with these two guns. They instantly became my favorite guns in the safe. Everytime I went to the range I would take these two guns.
As an avid reader of THR I read where a gentlemen posted "carry what you shoot and shoot what you carry". So I started alternating the 9mm's. But for some reason everytime I leave and holster up a 9mm , I feel under powered. Every time me and my friend go some where he says, " you got that sissy 9mm with you today". My other friend who is a LEO said I should never go below .40 for cc. Seems all of my shooting buddies are anti 9mm unless its for the range. Do any of you guys carry 9mm and feel comfortable with that? Or do some of you refuse to carry a 9 because you feel under powered? I'd really like some highroad opinions because I trust what the guys on here have to say. Thank you for all opinions.

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rogerjames
May 29, 2011, 04:07 PM
My XD9 is my favorite shooter and goes with me almost everywhere. When I dont have the 9, I carry a S&W 442 .38 revolver or a TCP .380. I guarantee you if you get hit with any of these, it will be the worse day of your life.

This tough guy, big caliber stuff is bs. One 9 to the head or heart is better than a .45 to the lung or liver... yada yada yada.

Carry what you shoot best... 2 9's in the brain weigh more than a .45 in the butt.

Stopping power is all relative... a heavy load in a bad place is no good. A lighter load in a good place is better... yada yada yada :rolleyes:

PS... ask your buddy if he's willing to take a "sissy round" :p

MaterDei
May 29, 2011, 04:12 PM
While I prefer the 45 myself, it's not because I feel the 9mm is inadequate, it just happens to be what I shoot best. If you shoot the 9mm best than tell your friends to go fly a kite and rest assured that you're well armed should you ever need to draw your weapon in self defense.

Got_Lead?
May 29, 2011, 04:38 PM
The 9mm is thinner and handier than it's two larger brothers, the 40 and 45. I've got an XD in 45, and it is just a bit "fat" in a holster. The XD-9 feels so slim and compact by comparison, and it holds 3 more rounds. I wouldn't feel underguned at all with 9mm.

As far as sissy guns go, my 9mm's kick just as hard as many of my 45's, 9mm is really a pretty potent cartridge, generating just as much energy as the 45 ACP. If your friend is really hung up on "sissy guns", I've got one for him. Let him shoot a couple of magazines out of a Polish P-64 in 9mm Makarov, he'll go home with his hand still hurting.

RX-178
May 29, 2011, 04:40 PM
The 9mm is just fine a a self defense round. If that's what you're most comfortable with, if that's what you shoot better with, then by all means carry it.

But if YOU feel undergunned with a 9mm, and you can comfortably carry, shoot, and run a weapon in a higher caliber, then carrying the .40 or the .45s wouldn't be a bad thing either.

It's all down to what you prefer, what you feel comfortable with, and what you shoot best.

harrygunner
May 29, 2011, 04:50 PM
My whole setup is based on the kinds of questions I'll ask myself if I have to use my gun and things do NOT end well.

Say for example, I have to use my gun, but a loved one is lost. I'm going to want to know I made the best choices I knew how to make when I had a chance to make them.

I project myself, imagining a bad situation and answered questions like:

- Did you get training? Did you practice?
- Did you carry the most powerful ammo you can handle?
- Did you have reasonable confidence in our overall setup?
- Is your holster stable?
- Is the grip on your gun big enough for you to feel confident making follow-up shots?

So, I use the most powerful ammo I can control and still shoot one handed with either hand.

Strahley
May 29, 2011, 05:03 PM
Think about it...what causes an attack to stop? Hitting vital organs, central nervous, etc. Do you really think that having a bullet that is .1" wider than another is going to give you magical "fight ending" power? They will both penetrate enough to hit vital organs, and a miss with either will yield the same result...a miss

Carry what you can shoot the best. .45ACP is a fine round, but it is NOT the end-all magical show stopper that many try and make it out to be. 9mm has been putting people 6 feet under, all over the world, for a very long time

Geckgo
May 29, 2011, 05:44 PM
If you want to impress your buddies, get a judge or a DE 500.

If you want to protect yourself, 9mm is more than adequate by anybody's standards.

p.s. I don't own 9mm and I'm not just advocating my preference, I like 45s, but the 45, as stated, is not really giving you any kind of real advantage over the .40, 9mm or any other major caliber. 9mm gets the job done.

JohnBiltz
May 29, 2011, 06:51 PM
You already know the correct answer and are letting peer pressure keep you from making it.

Big_John1961
May 29, 2011, 06:59 PM
You're LEO buddy is missing the boat. Just because he's a cop, doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. Like the others said, carry what you shoot best. The 9mm cartridge is more than adequate for self defense.

Milkmaster
May 29, 2011, 08:07 PM
What you feel comfortable carrying and have become proficient with by practice will always be your best option be it 22lr or 45acp. Carrying anything without practice and proficient knowledge is about as good as a stick. I carry a 22lr semi auto in tight clothing and a SW642/38sp in loose clothing. I don' feel under powered with either. The 22lr is easy to get 8 shots right in middle mass quickly, and the 38 (more recoil) is almost as easy. I know because I practice those scenarios with each of them at the range. Carry what you practice and practice what you carry. 9MM can still serve you well. Tons of folks died with 9MM in WW2. I haven't seen a one of them get up out of the grave to complain.

Steel Talon
May 29, 2011, 08:20 PM
I would never worry about carrying a 9mm for personal defence and have. But, I also believe that 40 sw and 45ACP are balistically superior choices for pistol carry. .357 magnum for wheelgun carry.
After 22lr pistols, all of my children grew up learning to run 9mm in comp. It's affordable and was easy for them to control based on thier frame. So shoot what your confident with and can easily control.

thefamcnaj
May 29, 2011, 08:45 PM
Thanks guys I feel better about the 9mm. If I wasnt going to carry a 9 I'd carry a 45 because I shoot it well to. I'm good with the 40, it just takes me a tad bit longer to get back on target and make quality follow up shots. Even out of my full size usp 40. The muzzle flip on a 40 to me personally just feels worse than any other caliber I shoot. I'm not going to get rid of the 40's though because they were my first guns and kicked off my never ending quest to buy guns.
John Blitz as bad as I hate to admit it, you were correct about the peer pressure. I didn't want to be the guy in the crowd toating the "sissy gun"

redbeardsong
May 29, 2011, 09:01 PM
I don't care for .40 either. I carry a subcompact, so I choose 9mm for more capacity, and shootability in a small frame. If I were to carry a full size gun, I'd go for .45, but I'd prefer to have 10+ rounds on tap.

miles1
May 29, 2011, 11:06 PM
You LEO buddy is unfortunately an idiot.Shoot and carry what's comfortable for you.9mm is more than adequate.I have friends that are in the law enforcement and they would certainly disagree with your friend.

Apocalypse-Now
May 30, 2011, 02:58 AM
with modern jhp technology, this is a moot argument. 9/40/45 are all good. pick what you like shooting the best :)

i prefer 40/45 because they don't tend to yaw through automobile windshields as much as 9mm.

Dr_B
May 30, 2011, 03:13 AM
Don't listen to armchair commandos. 9mm is fine for self-defense.

Ole Coot
May 30, 2011, 09:55 AM
I carry a 40, 45, 38, 9, 380 even a Beretta 21A 22 in my shirt pocket. My choice depends on where I am and where I plan to go. I've never felt defenseless with any of them. I shoot the 45 or 40 best. My own personal opinion is your comfort level and what you shoot best. If you're not comfortable with a 45 then practice with it until you are, same with the 40. My carry 38s are J frame and a little more practice is needed with them. The 22, for a little pistol is very accurate just point and shoot. Confidence means a lot.

Rifleman 173
May 30, 2011, 10:09 AM
Don't worry about what the gun snobs tell you or say. If you can hit with the 9 mm pistol, by all means, carry it! Shot placement is as important as bullet diameter. You hit a bad guy in the forehead with a 9 mm, .40 S&W or .45 caliber bullet he ain't gonna complain that you shot him with a sissy 9 mm pistol. Trust me on this one. That's why so many elite hostage rescue units carry 9 mm pistols: they work with well placed shots. The SAS used Sig Sauer P-226 pistols, Special Forces Hostage Rescue used P-226 pistols for many years and so on. I switch around on my guns but because I know how to use them and teach firearms courses, I don't worry if I have a 9 mm, .45 or .40 caliber handgun on me. Heck, I sometimes carry a Bersa .380 on me with confidence. Go with what you like and with which you can hit the target.

psyshack
May 30, 2011, 10:43 AM
I carry a PF-9 and have no issue with it or the caliber. I could carry a .45acp, .38/.357 revolver.

I carry for SD which incorporates more than the weapon or caliber. If I wanted to carry a true combat weapon I could take the M&P .45, 686P or even the CZ-52. Heck even my Sigma 9mm would get the job done if needed.

Carry what you shoot well, what is easy to conceal with a extra reload.

bruzer
May 30, 2011, 11:23 AM
I am glad you now realize that peer pressure was the root of your 9mm troubles. I like 9mm because it is more affordable than .40 & .45 and with two spare magazines I can very easy carry over 50 rounds of ammo. That's a lot of practice without stopping to reload magazines. Remember John Moses Browning not only is famous for the .45 caliber 1911 but also the little gun called the Browning Hi-Power that uses the 9mm round. (The Hi-Power is one of the most widely used military pistols of all time, having been used by the armed forces of over 50 countries.) Copied from Wikipedia. The 9mm is just as proven as any other pistol caliber so don't let your friends get the best of you.
Mike

thefamcnaj
May 30, 2011, 03:11 PM
This is why there are hundreds of gun forums but only one HighRoad. Thanks guys, I've had many questions answered and made clear to me via the high road, and this one was no different. I'm going to take Roger James's advice and ask my friend next time he makes the sissy gun comment if he wants to volunteer to be on the buisness end of a sissy gun and report back to me his findings lol.

Shipwreck
May 30, 2011, 03:24 PM
Once upon a time, I Tried to carry various 45s for concealed carry because of the slightly extra power. But, except for a 1911, every other 45 I tried always had a grip just slightly too big for my hands.

Also, I tend to shoot 9mm better. I've consolidated all my handguns to 9mm now, and I carry a 9mm everyday. In the initial transition, I did feel a little under gunned. But now, I am fine with it

Walking Dead
May 30, 2011, 05:55 PM
The 9mm is more than enough. But I carry a .357 just to be sure.

AJChenMPH
May 30, 2011, 11:24 PM
Ask the guy the NYPD sergeant shot in Times Square in Dec. 2009 if 9mm wasn't adequate. (My recollection is that the perp took four rounds COM...let's just say he didn't walk out of the hospital.)

My carry caliber is 9mm, and I don't think twice about it.

jon86
May 30, 2011, 11:47 PM
Most of the time I carry a 38 special, but comparing autoloaders sometimes I carry a G17 and sometimes I carry a G27. I feel adequately comfortable with the G27, but the G17 gives me the warm fuzzies. This level of comfort is simply because I shoot the G17 better, and the full grip gives very fast presentation.

RinkRat
May 31, 2011, 01:23 AM
I canít wait for open carry to arrive so I can mount a Browning M2HB .50 caliber on the top of my mini van in front of its retractable roof :neener:

Jonah71
May 31, 2011, 10:05 AM
Lately I've been carrying the G26 more than the G23. I'm much more accurate with the 9mm and can keep it on target easier. Comfortable with either but I never worry about the effectiveness my G26 loaded with 9mm Hornadys. No such thing as a sissy gun. I knew someone who was killed with a single shot from a .25 cal. (although I admit I wouldn't reccomend one for carry.)

19-3Ben
May 31, 2011, 12:03 PM
I have carry guns in 9mm and .40. Honestly, what I carry on any given day has more to do with which gun I feel like carrying than which caliber they shoot.
Either cartridge will do it's part if you do yours.

I'm going to take Roger James's advice and ask my friend next time he makes the sissy gun comment if he wants to volunteer to be on the buisness end of a sissy gun and report back to me his findings lol.

This argument is sooooo trite. "If .22lr is such a sissy round, why don't you volunteer to get shot with one?" No thanks. I don't really wanna get shot with a BB gun, but that doesn't make a Daisy Red Ryder a good self defense gun. Just because a round is not a consistent fight stopper, doesn't mean people line up to get shot with them.

And yes, I realize it's a rhetorical question. It's just one of my pet peeves.

Effigy
May 31, 2011, 01:09 PM
With modern, high-quality hollow points, the expanded diameter of 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP are pretty similar. I'm inclined to say the .45 is more powerful than the 9mm, but I wouldn't say you've undergunned carrying a 9mm as long as you use proper ammo. The advantage of larger calibers is they are effective even with FMJ ammo or when JHPs fail to expand, whereas 9mm is going to be relatively ineffective without bullet expansion.

duns
May 31, 2011, 01:35 PM
I've never fired a .40 S&W but I think 9mm and .45 ACP are pretty much equal as defensive handguns. The .45 *may* be a little better on terminal ballistics but the 9mm allows you more rounds. With hot loads, e.g. Cor Bon +P, I feel the 9mm may equal or better the terminal ballistics of the average .45 bullet. So not a wrong choice either way.

FullEffect1911
May 31, 2011, 01:46 PM
9mm, .40 or .45... just use a good quality hollow point and figure out what platform you shoot faster and most accurately.

As far as that whole volunteer to get shot thing, I pose this question. If you had to be shot would you choose it to be a 9mm or a .45?

I carry a 9mm as it meets all the things I ask for in a carry gun.

miles1
May 31, 2011, 03:36 PM
With modern, high-quality hollow points, the expanded diameter of 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP are pretty similar. I'm inclined to say the .45 is more powerful than the 9mm, but I wouldn't say you've undergunned carrying a 9mm as long as you use proper ammo. The advantage of larger calibers is they are effective even with FMJ ammo or when JHPs fail to expand, whereas 9mm is going to be relatively ineffective without bullet expansion.
Although i of course agree that in most cases JHP are better then FMJ rounds for HD;I highly doubt a full clip of 9mm FMJ is ineffective.

Effigy
May 31, 2011, 04:47 PM
I said "relatively ineffective" as in you can't really rely on it and it's inferior to larger calibers in FMJ loadings. It's still potentially lethal, but I wouldn't want to carry 9mm FMJ unless the gun isn't reliable with JHPs or I couldn't carry a larger caliber for whatever reason. With quality JHPs, I would have no problem carrying a 9mm. In fact, I plan to use a PF9 for EDC once concealed carry gets legalized in Wisconsin.

Dean1818
May 31, 2011, 09:04 PM
After some research on the 9mm and testing it myself, I went from 40 to the 9 mm

I tested the Corbon DPX (and other 9mm) which had 15 inches of penetration in wet newspaper in milfkjigs lined up, and opened up to almost 3/4 inch........... plenty fine for me and it equaled and exceeded some 40 cal offering

I will probably STILL shoot some 40, but carry a Kahr K9

ATBackPackin
May 31, 2011, 09:52 PM
Wow, I thought peer pressure was supposed to be over when you were out of school.

Seriously though, look at from this point. If you cannot get the job done with a G19, you're not going to get it done with a G23. A 9mm is more than ample to get the job accomplished. What caliber you use should be which ever one you shoot the best. If you shoot the 9mm better than that is what you should carry. If you can't get it done with 31 rounds, you should always have a spare magazine, of 9mm then you need more training and shouldn't worry about what caliber you are carrying. So in short, of course 9mm is enough if you do your part and I back that up by carrying it every day.

toocool
May 31, 2011, 10:38 PM
Being in Wisconsin, I don't carry (yet :) ) but when I carry out of state on my FL or AZ permit, I will most likely carry my Sig P239 SAS DAK in .40 or .357 Sig. Why? Because the guy who sold me this one wouldn't sell me his 9mm SAS DAK...I like the size, I like the solid feel, and the weight helps with the recoil, and it's not really all that hard to carry in a proper holster. I love the 239, but if I could get the same gun in 9mm, I'd confidently carry it... I also have a Kahr CW45 that will probably see some holster time, depending on circumstances. I also have a Ruger LCP .380 that I feel comfortable with. You are fine with the 9mm...

boomstik45
June 1, 2011, 01:00 AM
Hate to say it, but not all of us LEOs are knowledgeable gun guys, and even fewer have taken any time to study the two main sides of ballistic science and "street performance" data.

Even then, there are no clear black and white answers.

Your LEO friend has an opinion (along with an exit hole in his hindquarters), which makes him human. Carry what YOU are comfortable with. If you like your 9s, then roll with those. In a crisis situation, that which you are most practiced with is what you'll be best with.

The 9mm will do the job. And remember, anything deserving to be shot once, deserves to be shot twice.

The only thing worse than the internet ninjas are the LEOs who act like their badge gives them extra weapon knowledge. A man who is afraid to walk around without a cannon on his hip is a man who is afraid he'll miss his target....

Rock that 9. And know that if you do YOUR job, it will do it's job. Pick good ammo. That goes for any caliber.

My recommendations, but by no means "the law" by any stretch of the imagination, just stuff I've shot and like:

Speer Gold dot 124 grain, or 124 grain + p
Remington Golden Sabre 147 grain
Probably just about anything Corbon makes, though I don't much like the Pow'r Ball...
Winchester Ranger 124 grain

Ben86
June 1, 2011, 01:15 AM
But for some reason everytime I leave and holster up a 9mm , I feel under powered. Every time me and my friend go some where he says, " you got that sissy 9mm with you today". My other friend who is a LEO said I should never go below .40 for cc. Seems all of my shooting buddies are anti 9mm unless its for the range. Do any of you guys carry 9mm and feel comfortable with that? Or do some of you refuse to carry a 9 because you feel under powered? I'd really like some highroad opinions because I trust what the guys on here have to say. Thank you for all opinions.

You feel undergunned because you are listening to your friends and not real world shooting stats. Loaded with premium jhp ammunition (especially of the +P variety) 9mm is right up there in stopping power with .40 and .45. 124 grain +P gold dots have worked great for the NYPD for many years now, several other agencies around the world are very satisfied with this caliber. Your friends, with all due respect, are confused by mythology. You are wise to carry what you shoot.

Shot placement is the real killer. Ask a hunter how important shot placement is.

REAPER4206969
June 1, 2011, 01:54 AM
9x19 is more than sufficient.

JustinJ
June 1, 2011, 09:14 AM
I became averse to the 9mm after watching a show about a lunatic who shot up his work place. One guy they interviewed, who made it out alive, received a ridiculous number of 9mm bullets, including center mass shots, but still managed to run out of the place. Now to be fair, i do not know if the assailant was using FMJ. Either way i prefer .40 and or .357 sig as my primary CC weapon but when clothing requires something smaller i carry a 9mm with +P ammo. I don't think anybody can seriously argue that on ballisitic properties alone a .40 does not have a higher probablity of stopping an attacker than a 9 mm. But, if you shoot 9mm significantly better than .40 out of essentially the same gun 9 mm might be the better choice.

Jed Carter
June 1, 2011, 09:37 AM
I was carrying a CZ PCR 9mm, until I found a used SIG RCS 1911 in 45ACP. Both shoot great, the nod goes to the SIG, night sights and a shorter thinner grip. If SIG offered the RCS in a 9mm I would not hesitate to get one. I like the faster 9mm, lower recoil and quicker follow up shots than with a similar weight / size .45. Chances are it will take more than one shot to neutralize a threat anyway. I shoot USPSA matches using an STI 1911 in 9mm, so I shoot Single Stack minor power factor, usually score very well, just slow. I feel under gunned with a .380 or .25 but not with a 9mm. I would carry what you shoot best and can still conceal, your G19 would be my choice.

Steel Talon
June 1, 2011, 03:45 PM
Here is some ammo/bullet info to wrap your bean around..:)

Lots of good info...

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

Light weight hi velocity water jug testing
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot38.htm

jeepguy
June 1, 2011, 08:54 PM
this is something i have been wrestling with myself. i carry a 1911 .45acp commander or a sig 228. i love the .45 and it is very accurate but i don't like the capacity of 8rds + ex. mag, or the cost. im not in love with the 9mm, but like the cost of ammo & capacity. so im thinking about getting a used sig 229 in .40, which seems to me to be the best compromise 165-180gr's, capacity, and cost of ammo. the only downside is one more caliber to stock. i was going to sell my p226r and just go with .45acp & 9mm, but then i keep thinking is 9mm enough. thats a good read steel talon, very informative.

Frozen North
June 1, 2011, 09:18 PM
I have a close friend who is a deputy and I shoot with him a few times per year. Of course, he shoots a Glock 22.

The last time we shot together he was ripping me about my sissy 9mm (G26), and telling me I should "upgrade" to a G27 for real "stopping power". I told him that my G26 had more stopping power than his G22, he called me an idiot.

I challenged him to a little contest. 12 rounds in the mag, 1 in the chamber, rapid fire, first to have their slide lock back gets a point, smallest group gets a point.

We shot, I got 2 points by a wide margin. We switched guns, he got 2 points by a large margin. Remember we are comparing a subcompact to a full frame now!!

The 9mm is a proven round world wide. IMO, for self defense, it is a no brainer. Law enforcement has different needs than your average guy. The extra mass and durability of a .40 bullet benefits them, but there are trade offs. Why accept the trade offs if the major benefits of a heavier round don't benefit YOU that much?

Ben86
June 2, 2011, 10:34 AM
The 9mm is a proven round world wide. IMO, for self defense, it is a no brainer. Law enforcement has different needs than your average guy. The extra mass and durability of a .40 bullet benefits them, but there are trade offs. Why accept the trade offs if the major benefits of a heavier round don't benefit YOU that much?

Very well put. It offers a bit better barrier penetration because of it's larger mass, so more of the bullet makes it through. But the chances of a non-LEO needing, and being legally justified, to shoot through an intermediate barrier are so slim it does not justify getting .40 over 9mm. 9mm is my favorite caliber, but I admit that .40 may have a little bit more stopping power. But I feel it's so slim of a margin it doesn't justify .40 when I can shoot 9mm much faster and more accurately.

1prcntr
June 2, 2011, 11:31 AM
In my 18+ years as a LEO I have carried them all from 38 spl to 45"s. I like them all. I am currently switching back to 9mm. With the advancement of todays ammunition I do not feel under powered or outgunned. Haven't had any volunteers to take 2 to the chest and 2 to the head from the weak sissy 9mm.... I beleive shot placement is more important than caliber. my .02

fmcdave
June 2, 2011, 08:46 PM
I own handguns in 9mm, .40 S&W, .45ACP and practice with them all. I feel comfortable carrying any of them.

Sapper771
June 3, 2011, 05:47 AM
This is only my opinion. I beleive that one should select a platform and caliber that they shoot the best. Training and practice will help you over come any doubts you have.

As far as caliber is concerned, #1: shot placement. #2: penetration. #3: expansion.

I was in the same boat as you. I went from carrying a 45acp to 9mm. I do not feel under gunned in any way. I chose a proven platform that I felt confident with. I chose a high quality carry ammunition that is both reliable and accurate in my pistol. I train regularly and compete as much as possible. All is well.

Good luck

45_auto
June 3, 2011, 02:36 PM
Actually, as far as caliber is concerned, it goes:

#1: shot placement, #2: shot placement, #3: shot placement

Performance of full power defensive handgun ammunition in the 3 major calibers (9mm, 40, 45) is so close that unless the bullet is still there a forensic examination can't tell what caliber caused the wound.

If you're really worried that some BS article rated the 40 at 92.46768765% one shot stops and the 9mm at only 89.6759843%, then shoot them twice with your 9! That way you'll have a 179.3519686% chance of stopping someone!

mdThanatos
June 3, 2011, 05:01 PM
Yes but wouldn't the .45 already have more than the 179.3519686% with one shot? /endjoke

JustinJ
June 3, 2011, 05:43 PM
"is so close that unless the bullet is still there a forensic examination can't tell what caliber caused the wound."

I'm not trying to accuse you of lying but i would be interested to know where you learned that. But given that no two gun shot wounds are the same i could see that as being true.

However, I believe that .40 bullets have a higher probability of neutralizing a threat at a faster rate.

metalman8600
June 3, 2011, 06:46 PM
People still live after being shot with rifle rounds, and they pack a lot more punch than a pistol.

The differences between a 45 and a 9mm are so small compared to the difference between a rifle and a 45, and considering people say the 5.56mm can't kill at all... I don't even think the difference between 9mm and 45 is noticeable enough to care.

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