Glock 30 thoughts and such...


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db_tanker
May 29, 2011, 07:50 PM
just got a glock 30 gen 3.

mind you this is my first glock.

sights are okay. used to the ones on my 92 and they are pretty close.

weight with 13 round mag FEELS about the same as my 92 with 17 round...a bit heavier than my 1911.

as for reliability...any issues I need to know about?

any other tidbits I need to know about?

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Apocalypse-Now
May 29, 2011, 08:00 PM
as for reliability...any issues I need to know about?

only with SF models.

they suffer failure to return to battery problems that the non-SF don't, and glock's "updated" trigger bar only sometimes resolves it.

google glock 30 sf problems, and your computer will explode.

PO2Hammer
May 29, 2011, 09:13 PM
Avoid SWC style bullets with the G-30.

db_tanker
May 29, 2011, 09:18 PM
I save most of them for my 1858 conversion. they also feed fairly well in my 1911.

I am guessing there aren't any HP's I need to stay away from?

My preferred defense ammo for my 1911 is Remington Golden Saber 185 +P's and most I have found on the web say that the 30 has no issues with +p.

thefamcnaj
May 30, 2011, 12:24 AM
Nothing to worry about in your G30. It will go bang every time you want it to and eat anything you want to feed it. Its a work horse of a gun. It can be carried comfortably iwb or owb. Makes a heck of a night stand gun as well. If I could only keep one gun out of my entire collection, it would be the g30. With all that being said mine is NOT a sf.

jackpinesavages
May 30, 2011, 12:36 AM
Change the RSA with a Wolff assembly if you like-other than that bullet proof.

Apocalypse-Now
May 30, 2011, 01:22 AM
Avoid SWC style bullets with the G-30.

true. some g30's will feed these, and some won't.

MikePaiN
May 30, 2011, 07:25 AM
If I could only keep one gun out of my entire collection, it would be the g30.
Amen to that....
My G30 gets carried occasionally but its main duty is HD. If ever there is a breakdown in rule of law or SHTF, the G30 is my go to sidearm.
Mine is a gen 2.5, sporting XS Big Dot sights.....the pistol has never missed a beat.

db_tanker
May 30, 2011, 07:57 AM
good deal. glad I got it now.

I figure if this one is as good as its looking like it will be I am gonna line up and get a 21.

thanks for the comments!

D

MikePaiN
May 30, 2011, 08:47 AM
The G21 is a great pistol...but the size of the thing makes it impractical. The G30's size makes it much more versatile and as far as I'm concerned the difference in accuracy is unnoticeable for most shooters....

thefamcnaj
May 30, 2011, 03:20 PM
True the G21 is a fine pistol. The thing is should you want to carry it, it would most likely have to be in a shoulder rig. When I was debating on the g30 g21 and g36, the g30 won hands down because it was compact and held 10+1. The other thing is with an A&G gap spacer and a g21 mag you have all the fire power of the full size 21 in the 30. Unless your a proffesional shooter you won't be able to see a difference at the range accuracy wise between the 30 and 21. With all the options available and the high cap. mags. the g30 is the perfect pistol.

Boothdt
May 31, 2011, 01:37 AM
only with SF models.

they suffer failure to return to battery problems that the non-SF don't, and glock's "updated" trigger bar only sometimes resolves it.

google glock 30 sf problems, and your computer will explode.
Is this just the G30 or all the SF models? It's not much but I've got a little over 300 rounds of various hollowpoints and FMJs through my G20SF with no hiccups of any kind.

Apocalypse-Now
May 31, 2011, 03:06 AM
Is this just the G30 or all the SF models? It's not much but I've got a little over 300 rounds of various hollowpoints and FMJs through my G20SF with no hiccups of any kind.

99% of the time it's the g30 SF, although occasionally folks report the same with their g21 SF. it also afflicts the g29sf/g20sf 10mm models, but you don't hear about it as much as they're not nearly as popular.

many theories as to the cause, but no official word from glock. only thing for sure, it glock still hasn't resolved the issue since the SF g30's first came out. about once every week or two there still is a new thread started on glocktalk "why is my new g30sf jamming?"

it must be cheaper to fix/replace the occasional pistol than to remedy the situation in production. always comes down to the bucks.

i experienced this with my buddie's g30sf at around 1,000 rounds. had a failure to return to battery. he said that's never happened before. for some reason, sometimes it only starts at that round count, although normally it's immediate.



to answer your question, it's exceedingly rare on the full size models, i'm sure your g20sf is fine :)

DC Plumber
May 31, 2011, 07:45 PM
I had a Glock 30. I traded to my old boss for his 70 series nickle Colt Commander plus a few bucks. He couldn't shoot a 1911 and I wanted that nickle gun.

When the Glock was mine, I put probably 1000 rounds through it, never had a FTF or anything. I actually really liked it and I miss it, but I got the Colt. If it wasn't for the Colt I'd still have it. It was very accurate for plinking and durable as all get out. I was cleaning one time, I dropped it and as it headed for the concrete floor in my garage I kick at it to make it slide rather than drop straight on to the concrete. It hit the concrete and slid 10 feet. Not one scratch. My buddy and I laugh at that incident quite often. Kind of an inside joke, but the point is, their tough, reliable, accurate, simple and easy to dissassemble for cleaning, even if you kick it across the garage floor. Geez, maybe I better find another one.

DC Plumber
May 31, 2011, 07:46 PM
OH ya, and it traveled when me and family traveled. I felt very comfortable with that gun by my side.

Now my Kimber travels with us.

Dogguy
June 1, 2011, 11:44 AM
The G30 is a great gun. A little fat in the grip area but not unmanageable. I've had no issues with mine that were not my fault or ammunition problems. Not being a fan of the Glock captured recoil springs, I did change that to the Wolff non-captured guide rod/spring system. Otherwise, I've kept the internals of the gun stock.

As for the ammo problems, I found my G30 doesn't like Fiocchi's 230 gr. Extrema XTP. I had several failures to ignite with the Fiocchi ammo. The same cartridges that failed in the G30 fired easily in my Colt Officer's ACP or my Ruger P345. I figured Fiocchi must use hard primers compared to other brands I've used and the Glock's striker just doesn't have the same power of the hammer-fired guns. The G30 functions perfectly with Winchester 230 gr. Ranger-T and Remington 230 gr. Golden Sabers as well as all the low-priced range ammo I've tried.

RinkRat
June 1, 2011, 01:56 PM
I’ve been thinking about getting a G30 or G30-sf. The difference is slight but would like the slimmer grip. I’ve read that there have been some issues with the early SF’s way back when with the ser #’s M.

But there doesn’t seem to be any complaints about the G30.

So have they corrected these issues with the SF’s? If it’s better to stick with the regular G30 then I would rather do that then to have to worry about having any problems with the slim.

It seem from what I’ve read too, that most of the slim frames in all of their different models have had some issues also ??!!??

Apocalypse-Now
June 1, 2011, 03:46 PM
I’ve been thinking about getting a G30 or G30-sf. The difference is slight but would like the slimmer grip. I’ve read that there have been some issues with the early SF’s way back when with the ser #’s M.



i have VERY small hands, and got the G29 non-SF. i shoot it the tightest of all my glocks.

also, the g30SF issues are still popping up on forums regularly. glock never properly resolved. if you google it, you'll find very recent threads.

they're not all bad, of course, but it's more of a gamble than just getting a non-SF one.

DesertVet
June 1, 2011, 04:38 PM
I carried a Glock 21 as a Law Eforcement duty weapon 40 + hours a week for about 4&1/2 hy ears and shot it A LOT!!!! No issues at all ever!!! It was a 3rd Generation not the SF....
I carried the Glock 30 as an off-duty weapon during that same time. I got a Glock 30 when they very first came out again a non-SF model. I never had any issues with either and sho rt them OFTEN!!!! I did experience the magazine springs losing tension after a little while when left loaded all the time..they never caused malfunctions just noticably lost tension. I replced and rotated magazines often on both Glock 21 & 30 because of this. Now they both are range / safe guns (only because my new agency requires we carry issued weapon on duty).

Beancounter81
June 1, 2011, 06:00 PM
I have a G30 and a G21SF. Both have over 1,000 rounds through them and have been flawless. Both are accurate and have mild recoil. Love them both!

Strykervet
June 1, 2011, 06:42 PM
Got a G21, G20, and G29 in addition to other calibre Glocks, but not a G30. The G29 is identical in size. They hide well with the right rig, I like a Milt Sparks VMII. I have a VMII for my G27, and I'd have to say they hide about the same.

The G21, which has similar feed ramps, etc., will eat just about anything you can put down it, anything jacketed anyway. 200gr. +P Gold Dots work great, those in the G21 are my weapon of choice for bedside. If for some reason those are a problem, the Hornady XTP's feed almost as well as FMJ.

You can change the recoil assy., but it isn't really necessary. I have a bunch of different recoil assy. and the ones I use for carry are almost always either stock or titanium with a stock sleeve and stock spring. The fancy ones and steel ones are for target use where I have to change spring weights more often. Using aftermarket springs can affect reliability with factory full power loads --heavy recoil reducing springs can cause failure to cycle or stovepipes.

The one thing I would consider changing are the sights. Stock Glock sights suck, but I am glad they come with them to keep the cost down so I can choose my own. I like the Trijicon for carry and the Meprolight adj. for target work.

Other than being ugly as sin, I can't think of any problem with the Glock pistols. I've been using them since the mid late 90's, the G21 is 15 yo with zero problems. Thousands of rounds, and I can't think of a single problem with that pistol using stock parts and full power ammo.

When you start running into trouble with Glocks is when you start fiddling with the parts, aftermarket stuff, and handloads. I load weak 9mm loads for target use, the G17 will jam now and again and sometimes not cycle at all unless I use a 13 or 15lb. spring. I have had more problems with aftermarket barrels and slides than anything else.

db_tanker
June 1, 2011, 07:42 PM
bah.

if I want something pretty to look at I'll grab one of my old Winchesters or my 92FS.

I want something that will go bang each time I pull the trigger and not worry.


sounds like I got it. :)

thanks guys
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RinkRat
June 1, 2011, 08:26 PM
Strykervet ... Now ya got me thinking either 29 or 30??

I was looking at the 10mm but ammo is hard to find unless you go online or to a show and if I get the 10mm I think I'd rather get the 20 which would be better for my walks in Mother Natures bounty.

So it looks as though I can 99.9999% rely ??? on the 30 going bah=boooom every trigger pull so I'm looking for a G30/non-sf I guess.

db_tanker
June 1, 2011, 09:19 PM
cool thing about a 30 from what I have read is that you can get a 10mm barrel and use the appropriate magazine and it allegedly works fairly reliably...

I haven't done this yet so I cannot attest to the reliability issue but it DOES sound cool. :)

RinkRat
June 1, 2011, 10:48 PM
db tanker ... read mixed reviews about aftermarket barrels in their normal calibers let alone converting from one to another caliber like a G30 45acp into a 10mm :rolleyes:

Ya I guess you can do that with certain models but I've read it's better to spend the xtra few dollars and get the real whatever because by time you get a barrel, springs, mags, tweak any parts and still have reliability issues :scrutiny: ... Besides it's an excuse to get another toy :neener: ... and from what I've gathered if you shoot soft-lead out ah "Block" and don't do too many and clean it good before you pump any jacketed rounds out you'll/should be OK :evil: ... and REAL Hard Cast's are not soft-lead and if they are really real HC boolits then you can get away without getting an after market tube and hoping it works out for you because they always don't regardless of what brand you get ;)

RinkRat
June 1, 2011, 11:00 PM
Apocalypse-Now ... you said "they're not all bad, of course, but it's more of a gamble than just getting a non-SF one." :confused:

So did you mean that it is better to get a regular g30 and not the g30-sf butttttt .... they the regular g30's also have issues too butttttt only less of them??? :uhoh:

The Watchman
June 1, 2011, 11:09 PM
I have had my glock 30 sf for about 6 months now. This is what I carry. When I first got it the mags were real hard to insert compared to all other glocks I've owned/shot. Leave the mags loaded and in time they got much better. Have fired just under 1000 rounds between wolf, tulammo, pmc, and some magtec's. Not one issue so far.

Apocalypse-Now
June 2, 2011, 07:37 AM
The only place I know of that sells complete glock factory uppers, like a g29 upper for the g30, is glockmeister, but their prices on the uppers is so obscenely high you might as well just buy another gun.

Apocalypse-Now
June 2, 2011, 07:40 AM
So did you mean that it is better to get a regular g30 and not the g30-sf butttttt .... they the regular g30's also have issues too butttttt only less of them???

Lol the regular non-SF g30/29's have no issues.

That's one of he reasons I bought a non SF g29 (same frame as g30), despite my small hands

You can Google to verify all this as well :)

Byron
June 2, 2011, 07:56 AM
Excellent pistol.I have put many rounds through mine and fires each time and very accurate. As mentioned,avoid SWC's.tried it once and it jammed. Byron

Mr.Revolverguy
June 2, 2011, 05:19 PM
I am not a semi auto kind of guy but one which is ranked very high on my list next to my CZ97 is the Glock 30.

Great Review of a Glock 30 (http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=808)

PO2Hammer
June 2, 2011, 10:58 PM
Yup, it's one of those rare instances where being short, fat and ugly is good.

Firemedic56
June 3, 2011, 02:25 PM
Love mine, wouldnt trade it for anything in the world.

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