I need a great 45 for concealed carry


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NOMADCHRIS
May 30, 2011, 01:49 AM
I'M LOOKING FOR A GREAT CONCEALED CARRY 45 I'M 6'2 220 SO I NEED A WEAPON THAT WILL FIT MY HANDS I DONT WANT A SAO PISTOL I WOULD LIKE ANY INFO YOU GENTS CAN OFFER BUT ONLY FROM PEOPLE WHO CARRY CONCEALED NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST SPECULATING OR "HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A BUDDY" WHAT DO YOU USE? AND WHY DO YOU LIKE IT? WHAT DONT YOU LIKE ABOUT IT. AND DOES ANY ONE OWN A FOUR INCH XD45?:confused:

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Apocalypse-Now
May 30, 2011, 02:52 AM
the m&p 45 is a reliable one, if you don't mind the heavy trigger pull and non-perceptible reset :)

ugaarguy
May 30, 2011, 04:03 AM
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here. Why must it be a .45?

Would you not be better served finding the gun or platform you shoot best, and can conceal most easily first. Then worry about caliber second? I'm not convinced that 9mm / 40 S&W / 45 ACP are that much better or worse than each other so as to exclude any from consideration for SD carry.

Nothing personal, just trying to pass on the Mindset - Skill set - Tool set -- in that order thought process that mentors both here on THR, and in my personal life have instilled in me.

forindooruseonly
May 30, 2011, 04:10 AM
Maybe check out a Kahr? I'm about the same size and carry a K40. Fits my hand well, is easy to conceal. I don't have the 45 version, which is a polymer frame so it will be lighter in weight. However, it is the same size as mine, and I'm really happy with the ergonomics. I have shot the 45 Kahr, and was impressed, but I prefer a metal frame and already owned a K40.

BTW, could you please turn the caps lock off? Thank you.

Bill_G
May 30, 2011, 04:12 AM
glock 30....'nuff said.

Rifleman 173
May 30, 2011, 09:58 AM
I'm 6 feet tall a bit over 275 pounds and I carry a Glock 22C for concealed work where I live. Nice .40 S&W round with 15 of them in each magazine ready to go. Sure beats a single stacker every day. But it it has to be a .45 why not a good Glock? More ammo and reliable to a fault.

Mad Magyar
May 30, 2011, 11:16 AM
AND DOES ANY ONE OWN A FOUR INCH XD45?
You answered it.....

Steve H
May 30, 2011, 11:20 AM
AND DOES ANY ONE OWN A FOUR INCH XD45?

I have one, like it a bunch. It's my third XD

Coltdriver
May 30, 2011, 11:27 AM
I see you don't want sao but here is my experience with any carry weapon.

If it weighs 3 plus pounds you will get tired of it real quick.

A Glock 36 is 27 ounces loaded. At an ounce over a pound and a half it is easy to carry.

.45 ACP is an excellent self defense round so you have a great choice. Finding a platform that is light and small is another story. Go rent one at a gun range and see what you think.

230therapy
May 30, 2011, 12:02 PM
The 1911 guys will advocate...the 1911. You should spend at least $1,500 on it, except the Rock Island guys will tell you to get an RIA for $500 or less.

The Glock guys will tell you to get a Glock 21 or 30.

The M&P guys will tell you to get the M&P 45 or 45 Compact.

XD guys love their XD 45's, so you should get one of those.

The SIG guys will tell you to get a German made gun and to avoid the newer models of the P220 (and variants).

Beretta has guns in 45 ACP, but I'm not sure anyone has one.

Ruger makes a few handguns in 45 ACP, but those were all recalled.

Revolver guys will tell you to get an S&W Model 625, install "The Plug" and carry on. S&W fanatics will tell you anything with "the lock" is junk and only pre-lock guns are worthwhile. Just possessing a 625 will make you shoot almost as well as Jerry Miculek.

One guy will tell you to get a CZ 97. Never mind its huge size.

The HK guys won't help you at all.

Everyone else will tell you to get a Glock 19.

Seven For Sure
May 30, 2011, 12:34 PM
Your size I'd get a Glock 30.

JustsayMo
May 30, 2011, 12:38 PM
I just recently went through the process of deciding which 45 for EDC. So far (about 2 months) I've been very pleased with the M&P 45C

http://www.myhostedpics.com/images/Pathfinder/225grunique7yds.jpg
A magazine's worth from 25 feet. 225 grain WFN cast bullet @ 860 fps

My reasoning: with the 'long" magazine the M&P offers good purchase for L/XL hands. It points more naturally than the Glock or XD compacts did for me, only the 1911 pointed better. It is about 10 oz lighter than the 1911. It has an excellent reputation for reliability and will cycle everything - including CAST bullets and even SWC & round balls. American Made. I'm not a big fan of polymer pistols but they are practical.

http://www.myhostedpics.com/images/Pathfinder/rb45acp.jpg

I find it to be a good compromise as to what is comfortable to carry and shootability.

http://www.myhostedpics.com/images/Pathfinder/olstered45c.jpg

The only negatives are the trigger is less good than Glocks I've owned but I do shoot the M&P 45C better than I did the Glocks. The more repetitions I get with it the less of an issue the trigger becomes.

shootingthebreeze
May 30, 2011, 12:47 PM
I own a Springfield Champion .45. It's quite remarkable that I can carry it in many of my selected shorts that I wear in the summer without a holster and you can't even see it. There is a particular short that has outstanding double pockets - and it will not print.
Fully loaded it's heavy so I have a substantial belt. I usually carry something lighter and smaller-but I have tried the Champion many times-I love it it fits my hand, very reliable.

Apocalypse-Now
May 30, 2011, 12:55 PM
AND DOES ANY ONE OWN A FOUR INCH XD45?

used to. sold that thing on the fly.

MikePaiN
May 30, 2011, 12:58 PM
When I think of concealed carry I think small.....and for .45auto the Kahr PM45 is about as small as you can go. btw: I'm 6'0" 230lb and I get all three fingers on the grip.

Here the my PM45 next to my G30
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x298/Mikepain_pics/PM45/DSC03385.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x298/Mikepain_pics/PM45/DSC03386.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x298/Mikepain_pics/PM45/DSC03388.jpg

bds
May 30, 2011, 01:14 PM
Although I am a Glock fan, I would recommend Taurus PT145 over Glock30 for smaller carry 45. It is one of the smaller double-stack 10+1 45ACP with SA/DA trigger and frame safety.

Slide/barrel is actually shorter than G26/G27, the grip is comparable to G19/G23 and slide width is such that it actually shares the same holster as XD. Glock 30 is more comparable in size to G19/G23 with fatter slide width.

Glock 27:
WIDTH - 1.18"
LENGTH - 6.29"
HEIGHT - 4.8" (with +1 Pearce mag extension - 4.17" with 9rd factory flush magazine)

Taurus PT145:
WIDTH - 1.25"
LENGTH - 6.125"
HEIGHT - 5.125"

Here's a comparison picture of PT145 next to a G27:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=126845&stc=1&d=1283178089

mlkx4
May 30, 2011, 01:28 PM
Although I am a Glock fan, I would recommend Taurus PT145 over Glock30 for smaller carry 45. It is one of the smaller double-stack 10+1 45ACP with SA/DA trigger and frame safety.

Slide/barrel is actually shorter than G26/G27, the grip is comparable to G19/G23 and slide width is such that it actually shares the same holster as XD.
Glock 30 is more comparable in size to G19/G23 with fatter slide width.

Here's a comparison picture of PT145 next to a G27:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=126845&stc=1&d=1283178089
Alot of people will bash the PT145 but I love this handgun. The trigger is much better than a glock, even if shooting DA, (and yes i have both at my disposal) and it just feels better in the hand. 10+1 in a short frame with good sized grip.

shootingthebreeze
May 30, 2011, 01:50 PM
Though not a .45, I own a Taurus Millenium .40 and I do love that weapon. Many have knocked it down but it has surprised me with its accuracy.

jfrey
May 30, 2011, 02:02 PM
I'm 6'1" and 250#'s so I think I can comment on carry for folks my size. I carry 2 different pistols and like them both very well for CC. First is a Briley 1911 that has a commander slide on an officer's frame. Probably the best, most accurate, well balanced carry option. Second, is a Glock 36 (not the 30 everybody raves about). Magazine capacity is the same in both and the only addition to the G36 is a +0 extension on the mag.

Not bashing Kahr but have a friend who had a CW45 and it was nothing but trouble. I had a CW9 and although it was a good gun, I was never 100% convinced with it's reliability. Traded it on a Glock 19 and it is now back at the factory to be fixed too.

The Briley and the G36 are the only ones which have never failed.

gvf
May 31, 2011, 02:20 AM
Glock 36, single stack (Glock's only single s.)

ulflyer
May 31, 2011, 07:46 AM
I have a Kahr P45, bought because it fit my hand, and despite that some have had issues, I never did. Put 1000 rounds thru to insure reliability , various types, before it became a carry gun for me. From what I've read, they have good customer service.

Hagen442
May 31, 2011, 08:54 AM
My Auto Carry 45 ACP Preference
(From First Hand Experence)
Sig 220 Carry SA/DA
(My Wish SigArms Would Mfg.List Includes the Sig 239 in 45 ACP. But Untill Sig Makes One I Will Continue to Carry my 40 -239)
My Favorite Size Bullet is 45 , but in 45 Colt
My Primary Carry Gun is a 45 Colt Single Action
Never Leave the House Without One Being Stuck Inside My Belt)
Hagen

JTQ
May 31, 2011, 10:02 AM
Hey, 230therapy, your post is pretty darn accurate.

I think the only error in your post is this one.
Ruger makes a few handguns in 45 ACP, but those were all recalled.
I don't think any of the .45 ACP Ruger's have ever been recalled. However, most have been discontinued with the exception of the the P345. With the evolution of the SR line-up from the SR9 & SR40 to the SR1911, my guess is the P345 is now on life support.

Cards81fan
May 31, 2011, 10:02 AM
The 1911 guys will advocate...the 1911. You should spend at least $1,500 on it, except the Rock Island guys will tell you to get an RIA for $500 or less.

The Glock guys will tell you to get a Glock 21 or 30.

The M&P guys will tell you to get the M&P 45 or 45 Compact.

XD guys love their XD 45's, so you should get one of those.

The SIG guys will tell you to get a German made gun and to avoid the newer models of the P220 (and variants).

Beretta has guns in 45 ACP, but I'm not sure anyone has one.

Ruger makes a few handguns in 45 ACP, but those were all recalled.

Revolver guys will tell you to get an S&W Model 625, install "The Plug" and carry on. S&W fanatics will tell you anything with "the lock" is junk and only pre-lock guns are worthwhile. Just possessing a 625 will make you shoot almost as well as Jerry Miculek.

One guy will tell you to get a CZ 97. Never mind its huge size.

The HK guys won't help you at all.

Everyone else will tell you to get a Glock 19.
This post made my morning!!! Thank you!

Thaddeus Jones
May 31, 2011, 10:08 AM
S&W 4513TSW - the early variant without the rail.

I'm 6-1 230 and it conceals easily. 7 round capacity. Accurate and reliable and looks good doing all that too! Good luck! TJ

Usmc-1
May 31, 2011, 10:12 AM
God this great ! Any chance you could list the weights and differences shooting between the Kahr PM45 and Taurus PT145 , I a big fella 6'8" 265 , But really want a smaller carry .45 , I never really noticed that Kahr 45 before and now Im intrigued , I havent been much of a Taurus fan (if you ever buy one and its gos way wrong and dealing with those pricks ,sets the tone) , anyhway , I like the looks of both of these , the pictures with the Glock are truely amazing , if concealed carry is the issue , the Glock gets beat hands down by both of these! Thanks!

ichiban
May 31, 2011, 10:15 AM
Snarky response deleted.

Ledgehammer
May 31, 2011, 10:28 AM
Glock 36. I'm about your size give or take and that's what I carry. If you can find one in OD snag it up quick. They're great little guns and not as thick as the 30. Mine has been 100% reliable. I did add a pearce plus zero extension.

Winkman822
May 31, 2011, 10:36 AM
Personally I'd say go with a 1911, I'm a fairly small guy and have no issues whatsoever carrying a .45 1911, but since you don't want an SAO pistol, my vote would go to either the HK 45C or the USP 45C.

230therapy
May 31, 2011, 10:47 AM
JustsayMo:

The only negatives are the trigger is less good than Glocks I've owned but I do shoot the M&P 45C better than I did the Glocks. The more repetitions I get with it the less of an issue the trigger becomes.

Check out Apex Tactical's trigger kits. The product cleans up the M&P trigger VERY nicely. There are videos on how to install it.


RE: Ruger recalls

Hehe...I'm just messing with them. Ruger has had too many recalls in the past few years. I think the 345 was a very reliable gun. A friend had one for awhile; it worked well for him.

snooperman
May 31, 2011, 11:00 AM
Light, slender , powerful , highly reliable , and easily concealable. An ideal CCW in 45 ACP.

JTQ
May 31, 2011, 11:29 AM
Hehe...I'm just messing with them. Ruger has had too many recalls in the past few years. I think the 345 was a very reliable gun. A friend had one for awhile; it worked well for him.
Oh, I get you're just messing with them, all the makers/owners listed for that matter. It is a spot-on post and very funny, though the Ruger .45ACP humor would have been funnier (in my opinion) with "discontinued" rather than "recalled". Still a great post, though.

BossHogg
June 1, 2011, 09:41 AM
Don't loose any sleep over this, just go and get the Glock-36 and everything will be good.

Seven For Sure
June 1, 2011, 11:15 AM
Alot of people will bash the PT145 but I love this handgun. The trigger is much better than a glock, even if shooting DA, (and yes i have both at my disposal) and it just feels better in the hand. 10+1 in a short frame with good sized grip.
I've been shooting for a while, had many quality guns in my time. Took a chance on a Taurus 24/7 Pro and it's awsome! Great trigger, super reliable, small, 10+1 and very accurate.

JustinJ
June 1, 2011, 11:37 AM
"The HK guys won't help you at all."

I'm not sure why that was said but the USP45c or HK45c. They're bigger than i'd like to carry but few .45s aren't.

Nushif
June 1, 2011, 11:45 AM
would recommend Taurus PT145

The wife had one of those for a while. Very, very sweet gun.

Light, good trigger, very good grip and very soft recoil.

huntsman
June 1, 2011, 11:55 AM
I'M LOOKING FOR A GREAT CONCEALED CARRY 45 I'M 6'2 220 SO I NEED A WEAPON THAT WILL FIT MY HANDS I DONT WANT A SAO PISTOL I WOULD LIKE ANY INFO YOU GENTS CAN OFFER BUT ONLY FROM PEOPLE WHO CARRY CONCEALED NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST SPECULATING OR "HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A BUDDY" WHAT DO YOU USE? AND WHY DO YOU LIKE IT? WHAT DONT YOU LIKE ABOUT IT. AND DOES ANY ONE OWN A FOUR INCH XD45?:confused:
when I carry a .45acp it's a 4566 a bit heavy at 3lb but with the hume holster not bad.

I've been kicking around the idea of going lighter if I do it'll be a G30 or PM45

oh and I'm bigger than you with big hands.

bds
June 1, 2011, 08:05 PM
The 1911 guys will advocate...the 1911.

The Glock guys will tell you to get a Glock 21 or 30.

The M&P guys will tell you to get the M&P 45 or 45 Compact.

Wait ...

I started out shooting a 1911 but I won't carry it ... too big.

I love my full size M&P45 but not for carry ... too big.

I am a Glock fan (had a G30 and "tried" to carry it ... too bulky) and I recommended a Taurus PT145 ... :eek:

I personally carry a G27 with Pearce +1 grip extension but the OP asked for a carry 45.

jimniowa
June 1, 2011, 08:43 PM
I carry the .45acp in a Colt 1911 series 70, tricked out to handle all my ammo, easy to conceal in the winter. Latley I have taken to a Kimber 1911 Ultra/ 3" barrel/ 8 shot mag works for me. I am 6'-1" @200 lbs and this gun will slip into your hip pocket with ease.
Jim

larryh1108
June 1, 2011, 10:49 PM
Another vote for the PT145 for your specific needs. Light, small, holds 10 rounds and handles very well. It needs to be the Gen 3, though. Handle it, shoot it then decide if it's for you. Best bang for the buck for CC.

tommyintx
June 2, 2011, 01:09 AM
I am 6'2, 205 LB, and 23 years old.

I have several 1911's, an XD 4" .45, a SIG P220, and USP.45.

The 1911's are great guns, but bulky for concealed carry. I love them, but a 5" is hard for me without printing. Mostly because i am belt size 34.. and have a hard time wearing obnoxiously baggy clothes. Not for me.

The P220 is also a great gun, as is the USP .45. However,

The XD i bought was initially for a glove-box gun. Just to leave in the truck, and if it got stolen one day, well, they are injection molded plastic in some factory some where.. I'm sure i could go to any old gun store, shell out another 600$, and wouldn't feel too upset. However if one of my precious 1911's were stolen, i wouldn't stop until blood.

The XD has one other advantage. being the smallest out of all of the .45's i own, i have no difficulty with printing.

You might be happy with a 8 round mag on a 1911, but i'm happier with NO printing, and a 13 round magazine.. No need for extras.

and at over 8K rounds now, no catastrophic failures. Nothing worth mentioning, except a small lot of "unsupported chamber" brass that got reloaded without running through a pass-through die. Bulged bases that prevented the slide from completely cycling.. I have never owned a glock. Will get one eventually, so i will not comment there. My feelings is it would probably run identical with the XD as far as the recommendation.

I am unbiased. the only bias i have is to the superior stopping power of the .45, no matter which ammunition type is used.

I recommend trying all of them. Go to a LARGE gun store, and finger F* every pistol they have. Find what feels best to you. Minus balance, because with a full magazine it shifts the weight of the gun.

It's okay if they are a little top heavy.

the XD is like that too. top heavy, with a full mag though, very balanced. i think that about sums it up. Hope this is of some use.

rellascout
June 2, 2011, 03:15 PM
I like my Sig P245... Good DA/SA trigger. Basically a CCO sized P220. It has a commander length slide but a officers sized grip which is the hardest part of any gun to conceal. Single stack so it is nice a slim. IWB is hides as well as my CCO 1911.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/P245.jpg

KAS1981
June 2, 2011, 08:18 PM
I checked out a Kahr CW45 a while back and LOVED it. Kahrs are just so natural feeling in my hand. Feels way better to me than a G36, but that's a personal thing.

They're priced pretty decent, too. $410 at Bud's with free shipping right now.

Thlax
June 2, 2011, 08:45 PM
Hk45c

prescobd
June 2, 2011, 09:16 PM
My choices for compact 45s have all been discontinued by the manufactures but can still be found on the used marked. They are:
Sig P245 - the 220 Compact may still be available
S&W CS45
S&W 4513TW (pre-rail model)

I also have a S&W 325 Night Guard revolver.

SK2344
June 3, 2011, 02:06 AM
My choice is the Glock 36! 6+1 rounds of .45 W/Grip Modification and finger grooves removed. IMO it can't be beat for a self defense weapon. I carry it in a Front Pocket Holster most of the time and some time in my AIWB Holster. Here in South Florida it's very easy to conceal a large gun if you know how.

nyc71
June 3, 2011, 02:23 AM
I love my M&P 45c. I used to carry G27 & G23, I got ride of them to fund the M&P line.


"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"- Benjamin Franklin

makarovnik
June 3, 2011, 04:39 AM
Cobra Arms Patriot?

Usmc-1
June 3, 2011, 08:59 AM
as much as I like the Kahr , they arent readily available in the .45 and when they are they are expensive (but I like them) ,my money is on the new SIG RCS , but it will have to wait until I can make enough money to get it! (after viewing the Sig Scorpian , I want one of them as well)!!!

ATBackPackin
June 3, 2011, 09:28 AM
Just my personal opinion, but for carry guns I prefer thin, single stack guns. If I was looking for a .45acp for carry it would most likely be a fairly short list.

1. 1911 - you already said you do not want a SAO, so that is out.

2. Kahr CW45 or P45 - I prefer the CW series over the P series because I don't see what you get with the P series worth the extra money. Again that is just personal opinion.

3. Glock 36 - I'm not a Glock fan, not because I do not think it's a good gun, but because the grip angle does not work for me. However the Glock 36 did feel pretty good in the hand, but I have never shot one.

4. S&W 4513 or CS45 - I am a huge fan of 3rd generation S&W guns.

This would be my short list of carry .45's.

Best of luck
Shawn

Water-Man
June 4, 2011, 09:10 AM
M&P45c

RugerMcMarlin
June 4, 2011, 12:49 PM
G30, 5" XD-45, Full size MP45, in whatever order.

rhodco
June 4, 2011, 01:59 PM
Since I am 6' 7" and 240 lbs., I guess I'll contribute my experience on this subject too. My strong hand spans about 10.5 inches from thumb to little finger tip. Most gloves in size XL are still too snug. Pistols with a big fat grip fit well in my hand, but most are not a good choice for concealed carry. It's always a compromise.

I carried a Glock 19 for a long time because it conceals well and is not too heavy. But I sold it because of my lack of confidence in the 9mm round, and my inability to get a good enough grip to place accurate shots on target. It's a great carry option for some, just not me. I wanted to carry a .45, like the OP has stated.

Once I had resolved that in my mind, I tried shooting a Colt 1911. Very accurate and nice grip. But the recoil hurt my wrist after shooting a while, and I don't practice enough to be confident manipulating a manual safety in a sudden crisis. Professional warriors choose that weapon for certain benefits, but they also train with it consuming much more time and ammo than I could reasonably expect to. I had to be realistic about my limitations and choose something very simple for myself.

The Glock 21 was also something I liked a lot. But, it was too big for CCW. The Glock 36 is smaller, but the grip is too narrow for me. The Glock 30 seemed to be just right.

After shooting very well with it over time, a couple of issues developed. First, my little finger naturally comes to rest in the gap between the bottom of the grip and the magazine base plate which causes a painful pinch while shooting sometimes. I would get big blood blisters in the same spot on my little finger. I finally found the Pearce Grip extensions and they solved that problem. Next, my declining eyesight prompted me to find a better solution for sighting and the Crimson Trace LG-629 solved that problem. The way they attach around the back of the grip also improved my grip. The places on each side where the batteries go actually filled in some empty spaces in my grip very nicely.

So, the Glock 30 with the LG-629 attached, using Pearce Grip extensions on my 10 round mags all together make a package that gives me a nice fat grip, very accurate, relatively mild recoil, and not too big to conceal.

One of the things I've learned is that there is no such thing as perfect. A fatter grip feels better in the hand, but is harder to carry (especially IWB). A thinner grip will be more comfortable to carry, but you may find that you fumble with it a little on the draw while trying to get your fingers around it. You just have to figure out where you are willing to compromise.

thefamcnaj
June 4, 2011, 02:20 PM
G30 owb in a galco leather hoster works well for me. AT your size consealing one will not be a problem, I'm only 5'8 200 and I hide it easily. Its accurate and packs alot of fire power if you carry the g21 mag in the gun or as a back up.
I owned a 4 inch springfield xdm 45, and I liked it. I bought it mainly for the capasity. However when I bought the g30 and a couple of g21 mags, I didn't see the need for the xdm any more, so I sold it at a gun show for money toward another gun. XDM has great resale value.

Leviathan5964
June 4, 2011, 04:15 PM
I have the Sig245. It's a fist full of dynamite. Go get one.

bigmike45
June 5, 2011, 02:40 PM
Nomadchris,

Yes I did own and carry a 4" XD45. I carried it IWB in a Brommeland holster and carried two extra mags in his double mag pouch as well. It was an incredibly accurate and reliable gun and my best friend now is it's proud owner and still carries it 2 years later. The only thing I did to the gun other than shoot and clean it was to change out the factory sights to the Truglo TFO's. I am a died in the wool 1911 guy but I really liked this gun and holster carry combo. I highly recommend the gun and holster as well. Oh I am 6'6" and am down to 289lbs. I carried it very comfortably for over two years and no one ever knew it was on my hip. Here is a picture of the rig laying on my spotted Fallow cape.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/MCVSET.jpg

As you can see accuracy was not a problem either.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/mike_seale/XD45Target.jpg

cwp3420
June 5, 2011, 04:19 PM
I'm 5'10" and carry an HK45C pistol everyday concealed. I use a Raven Concealment System Phantom holster to do so. It's a OWB kydex holster. I prefer HK pistols over any others, but there are certainly some great pistols on the market today.

Seven For Sure
June 17, 2011, 11:32 AM
Kahr CW45 or P45 - I prefer the CW series over the P series because I don't see what you get with the P series worth the extra money. Again that is just personal opinion.

Best of luck
Shawn


You get:

1. An extra mag, essential in a low capacity carry gun. New mags are $35+ each.
2. Poly instead of standard L&G barrel, higher (however slight) velocities from the short barrel
3. Night sights or the ability to replace or purchase NS should you want them later

The most expensive P series Kahr I bought was my P380 which was $550 OTD. The shop I get most of my guns from charges me $500 OTD for P series including my P45. My biggest complaint about Kahr is there are very few shops that carry the K series which are my favorite in the line. Love my Diamond Black K40 made around year 2000. Has the old rubber Houge grips and polished mags. Great gun.

230therapy
June 17, 2011, 03:56 PM
I have the Sig245. It's a fist full of dynamite. Go get one.

CDNN Investments has the SIG P220 Compact SAO for $579.

harmon rabb
June 17, 2011, 05:07 PM
brotip for you: the XD is SAO ;)

AKElroy
June 17, 2011, 05:24 PM
The Glock guys will tell you to get a Glock 21 or 30.

The M&P guys will tell you to get the M&P 45 or 45 Compact.

XD guys love their XD 45's, so you should get one of those.

The SIG guys will tell you to get a German made gun and to avoid the newer models of the P220 (and variants).

Beretta has guns in 45 ACP, but I'm not sure anyone has one.

Ruger makes a few handguns in 45 ACP, but those were all recalled.

Revolver guys will tell you to get an S&W Model 625, install "The Plug" and carry on. S&W fanatics will tell you anything with "the lock" is junk and only pre-lock guns are worthwhile. Just possessing a 625 will make you shoot almost as well as Jerry Miculek.

One guy will tell you to get a CZ 97. Never mind its huge size.

The HK guys won't help you at all.

Everyone else will tell you to get a Glock 19.

Ding Ding Ding ..... Winner....winner.....winner. Brilliant. Close thread; nuf said.

AKElroy
June 17, 2011, 05:29 PM
I would add that the Xd 45 guys are quietly rueing the day SA makes a 5" Xdm with a reasonable grip size, rendering their asthetically hideous choices forever obsolete.

Cards81fan
June 17, 2011, 06:50 PM
Like, an XDm .45 compact? I think it'd be a hit.

CZ57
June 17, 2011, 06:53 PM
It's only a matter of time until we see an XDm Compact .45 ACP. ;)

Apocalypse-Now
June 17, 2011, 06:56 PM
Like, an XDm .45 compact? I think it'd be a hit.

already exists. been in gunshops for some time now. looked at one a few months ago.


mp45c is reliable, if you don't mind the 100lb trigger break lol

the glock 30 is good too, but too thick, and sub 4inch 45's limit the variety of jhp's that will consistently expand from that barrel length.

CZ57
June 17, 2011, 06:58 PM
^ Not an XDm Compact in .45 ACP. Maybe you saw a .40 or an XD Compact Servoce. ;)

Zerodefect
June 17, 2011, 07:04 PM
Every .45 I've ever handled is too fat to CCW on me. Only 1911's are thin enough to work well on me.

I think your setting yourself up for failure, looking specificly for .45ACP, but not a 1911. I can't fathom why anyone would be against the best pistol trigger out there?

Don't dismiss going down to the smaller, nastier .40S&W round. If you drop down to .40 you can find plenty of decent CCW's like the Glock 23.

-The double stack .45's are too fat.
-The single stack Glock 36 still deosn't have a flush fit mag, just those gimpy Chernoble looking mags.
-The single stack Kahr P45 and CW 45 will be as good as it gets. But the Kahr trigger, while very nice, deosn't offer the performance that a Glock or a 1911 trigger will.

But based on your criteria the Kahr P45 is probally the best chioce.

Apocalypse-Now
June 17, 2011, 07:15 PM
^ Not an XDm Compact in .45 ACP. Maybe you saw a .40 or an XD Compact Servoce.

hmm, definitely was an xdm 45. could swear it was compact. oh well lol

Cards81fan
June 17, 2011, 10:13 PM
The only M compacts are 3.8" in 9mm and .40.

CZ57
June 17, 2011, 10:21 PM
At the Springfield website they are announcing a new XDm is fixing to be announced. Bet it's the Compact .45 ACP! ;)

orionengnr
June 17, 2011, 10:31 PM
brotip for you: the XD is SAO
Not by any definition I have seen...

To the OP--you do know that the CAPS LOCK works as an on/off switch...right? :rolleyes:

Cards81fan
June 17, 2011, 10:40 PM
From Guns & Ammo (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CWA8fKSby_IJ:www.gunsandammo.com/content/springfield-xd+guns+and+ammo+xd&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com)

The XD is correctly classified as a single-action design, meaning it is fully cocked by racking the slide. Most single-action autos have manual safeties, but the XD's Croatian designers eliminated the need for such safeties by adopting the Glock-type trigger safety as well as an internal firing-pin block. They also added a grip safety. The XD is a very safe design, but its single-action designation has confused some.

The XD is a true single-action internally but externally operates more like a double-action-only handgun. There are no manual safeties to disengage beforehand, and the trigger take-up has the feel of a light (very light) double-action pull before reaching a final single-action release. The XD operates like a Glock with a grip safety. As with the Glock, the trigger design does not fit any traditional classification, so Springfield coined its own terminology and dubbed it the USA (Ultra Safety Assurance) trigger safety.

The XD is a single-action design in that the trigger does not cock the striker. But the XD trigger does perform more than a single function, as do many other modern single-action designs. When the trigger is pressed, the trigger bar moves forward, and a lever in the frame pivots upward, disengaging the striker block. It's important to note that this disengagement occurs during the final stage of the trigger release. The striker-safety lever moves up in unison with the sear release. This means the long take-up of the trigger serves no mechanical function. The long pull does enhance safety, however, and performs much the same as a two-stage military-rifle trigger.

dagerv
June 17, 2011, 10:44 PM
I had an xd (non m) compact 45. Great gun. unfortunately I sold it for something smaller, a glock 26. Very accurate however and regret selling it.

Taroman
June 17, 2011, 10:49 PM
As others have suggested, Glock 30.

http://www.hverovhe.com/g30target.jpg

jeepmor
July 26, 2011, 02:42 AM
I've carried a PT145 for years and never had an issue with many 1000's of rounds down the tube. That said, I just bought a P45 Kahr yesterday and think I have a new favorite after shooting 50 or so rounds through it yesterday.

Seeing the poly rails with molded metal inserts was a surprise, but I've read nothing but good things about them, the used price was excellent, so I'm a happy plinker. Once I shoot it enough, it'll be my new carry gun. Initial results are very good with 230 grain XTPs over medium to hot hand loads. Accuracy was very minute o'pop can bottom at 21 feet. Easy to hit where I pointed it. Easier than my PT145 IMO.

oops, holy thread revival

jimniowa
July 26, 2011, 08:51 PM
I am 68 6' 190lbs, replacement hips, so I am not real quick on my feet. I carry in the summer a Kimber 3" 45 acp in my back pocket loaded with 185 xtp or 200 swc. Winter time in IA the problem people wear heavy clothing even fur coats, so I carry a 1911 Colt 5" loaded with 240 g jfp or 230 swc as they will penetrate, I carry in a cross draw rig. This a Colt series 70 and needed some tricking out to feed all ammo.
Jim

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