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Mr.Barty
June 3, 2011, 06:16 AM
Has anyone here shot one of these and did you like it? I've been thinking about buying one, but I would like to know how it handles.

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61chalk
June 3, 2011, 08:56 AM
I have one an really like it, I shoot Federal HV from walmart an an eats it up. Also u can buy a 10.00 scope mount on ebay just as good as the 80.00 ones. The butt isn't rock solid an could of been made better, but its a fun plicker, not as accurate as a Ruger 10/22 but still very fun an very cool, get extra mags because once you start shooting you don't want to stop.

Ronsch
June 3, 2011, 03:47 PM
I have two GSG's. The MP5 clone and the MP5K clone. Both were bought before the lawsuit and design changes. They are fun, and I bought some 25 round ProMag magazines, and the seem to shoot just fine. So far, everything I have fed them (including Remmie bulk) work fine, for the most part. A couple of FTF, and FTE, but I attribute that to the ammo.

Fun little guns and people like to see them when I go to the range.

merlinfire
June 3, 2011, 04:13 PM
Both were bought before the lawsuit and design changes.

Whoa, what?

RugerNut9
June 3, 2011, 04:24 PM
H&K Sued German Sport Guns
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-420500.html

joshk-k
June 3, 2011, 04:24 PM
Heckler and Koch, Inc. vs. German Sport Guns GmbH, American Tactical Imports,
Inc. Civil Action No. 1 : 09-cv-00039-WTL-JMS (S.D. Indiana)


I have one, also bought pre-that, and love it! Mine is as accurate at 50 yards with iron sights as a 10/22 also with irons. I like it a lot. It's really fun to take to the range and let whatever 10-12 year old boys are around put a mag through. They sit there, wide-eyed for a while, then jump on the chance when offered. It's a hoot!

I'd reach for my 10/22 for a survival gun, only for commonality of parts, mags, etc., but I highly recommend the GSG5.

Josh

Maverick223
June 3, 2011, 04:24 PM
Has anyone here shot one of these and did you like it? I've been thinking about buying one, but I would like to know how it handlesI have one and like it for plinking. The only real concern that I have found is with the magazines (both of mine are factory 22rnd. copies), they do cause FTFs from time to time, but nothing severe or overly frequent. Overall I believe it is a decent little carbine (particularly with a folder or retractable stock), but nothing to write home about.

Both were bought before the lawsuit and design changes.HK sued for copying the design (really just the appearance/ergonomics/controls) of the MP-5...no safety concerns...as long as you are behind the muzzle that is. ;) [hehehe, lets all say the same thing at once]

FWIW, I would purchase the original one (or at least get the conversion kit to "restore" it to the original configuration) as the new GSG-522 is ugly IMO, but I don't know of any functional differences between the two.

:)

merlinfire
June 3, 2011, 06:29 PM
HK sued for copying the design (really just the appearance/ergonomics/controls) of the MP-5


What about all the AR-15 clones, or the AK47 clones, etc, etc. Is HK just that snooty? To sue over the looks of a gun....

Justin
June 3, 2011, 06:58 PM
I've shot one a couple of times. They're a lot of fun.

Maverick223
June 3, 2011, 07:14 PM
What about all the AR-15 clones, or the AK47 clones, etc, etc.Patents have expired (and I doubt the AK was ever formally granted one). H&K was undoubtedly granted an extension on their patent for the MP-5.

Is HK just that snooty? To sue over the looks of a gun....Yes, though I don't know that I blame them as they did put in all the design work. OTOH, it doesn't really have any deleterious effects on their MP-5 sales now does it? :scrutiny:

:)

G27RR
June 3, 2011, 10:03 PM
H&K wanted to market a branded version they get royalties from, unlike the GSG. It's made by Walther/Umarex.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/HKMP522LR800600.jpg

Maverick223
June 3, 2011, 11:29 PM
G27RR, is that your clone? If so, I'd be interested in knowing how it does given Umarex's poor reputation, I haven't heard anything either way on their new MP-5 clone.

:)

G27RR
June 3, 2011, 11:34 PM
G27RR, is that your clone? If so, I'd be interested in knowing how it does given Umarex's poor reputation, I haven't heard anything either way on their new MP-5 clone.

:)
Yes, that's mine, and I like it and haven't had any issues. I wrote a review on it with quite a bit of info, see this thread...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=580351

N003k
June 3, 2011, 11:42 PM
I've got one of the original GSG-5's. Picked it up the same day the ruling on the lawsuit was released...

I really love the thing, it's my only .22 rifle at the time, but it's fun as all heck. I've used one target long enough to punch two separate holes the size of my fists into it. Accuracy, I've never tested out, but if you want a gun that's fun to just plink with? I'd recommend it.

Maverick223
June 3, 2011, 11:56 PM
Thanks for the link/review, G27RR. Happy to hear that it performed better than Umarex's other offerings. http://forums.nitroexpress.com/images/graemlins/smilies/general/xyxthumbs.gif

Accuracy, I've never tested out, but if you want a gun that's fun to just plink with? I'd recommend it.IME accuracy is quite good for a plinker. No target rifle by any stretch, but better than I thought the little carbine would do. Probably averages 2MOA (1in. @ 50yds.) with decent ammo, 3MOA with standard bulk.

:)

Peter M. Eick
June 4, 2011, 06:05 PM
I have one and find it a lot of fun. It is reasonably accurate reliable and fun. Really fun to shoot. Mine is a pre-lawsuit also and is a good one.

Stevie-Ray
June 4, 2011, 07:16 PM
I love mine and it will do this at 25 yards offhand with a cheap red dot. That's plenty accurate for me, as I have other rifles to shoot at 100 yards or more. This one's more fun than just about anything I have.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/GitchiManitou/100_0511.jpg?t=1243304324

hardluk1
June 4, 2011, 07:27 PM
A guy showed up at the range about 4 weeks ago with one of the gsg's He was feeding it some bulk remington. What ever the problem was it would blow the base out of a round every mag full. Was not very accurate and when I gave him some good standard vel wolf ammo and it would not cycle with it. My rugers run fine with standard vel ammo.
It did not leave a good impression.

Maverick223
June 4, 2011, 09:26 PM
That's interesting; not only has mine been reasonably accurate it has also cycled "faster subsonic" well...to include Remington CBees, which most other autoloaders won't cycle reliably at all (to include a Ruger 10/22, Marlin M-60, and even a Stevens 87D that eats most anything).

:)

hardluk1
June 5, 2011, 08:54 AM
Maybe like most companies today that was 1 rifle they did not get right. Interesting or not that GSG I was near was junk. I sure got my and every ones attention at the range that day.

Zach S
June 5, 2011, 11:52 AM
I have one, also pre-lawsuit. Its a fun little pot metal plinker. It gets a steady diet of Federal Bulk with a few MiniMags every now and then.

I really only have three complaints about it. First, it feels like a toy. Second, you cant use the mag as a VFG, which I did quite a bit with an MP5. Third, the magazine safety...

Yes, though I don't know that I blame them as they did put in all the design work. The similarities end at the outside of the gun. Completely different animals on the inside with no interchangeable parts anywhere. You can make HK furniture fit, but that's about it.

One thing I like about the GSG5 is the BHO. Something that HK overlooked...

G27RR
June 5, 2011, 12:13 PM
A guy showed up at the range about 4 weeks ago with one of the gsg's He was feeding it some bulk remington. What ever the problem was it would blow the base out of a round every mag full. Was not very accurate and when I gave him some good standard vel wolf ammo and it would not cycle with it. My rugers run fine with standard vel ammo.
It did not leave a good impression.
If it's like the Walther/Umarex version, it is supposed to use high velocity ammo, although mine does have a valve you can turn to use standard velocity, too. So far I haven't needed to adjust it even when using standard velocity rounds. Not sure if the GSG has that or not.

As for the Remington ammo blowing cases, it seems t do that in several different semiautos I have. Remington is putting out the worst rimfire ammo I've used in recent years. It doesn't do too great in bolts, either. Lots of duds. I no longer use it in anything.

Comments on some other posts...

The Walther/Umarex has a bolt hold, too. It is a little odd to me that the real MP5 doesn't have that.

As far as HK protecting their intellectual property, it's not unusual. Car manufacturers are known to go after kit car makers, even though it's generally only the appearance they share in common. I would think if you designed something you'd be upset if someone else was profiting from your work.

hardluk1
June 6, 2011, 07:03 AM
G27RR I did not pay enough attention to his other to see the GSG marking on it went i loaned him some needle nose pliers and he mentioned the importer but that as close as I wanted to get. Then I moved back 20 feet and waited to see if it blew up.

G27RR
June 6, 2011, 08:53 AM
Then I moved back 20 feet and waited to see if it blew up.

Yeah, that's understandable. Not too smart on his part to keep shooting with all those case separations.

BP Hunter
June 6, 2011, 12:51 PM
I have had my GSG522 for about 6 months already. It is one of the funnest gun I have. Stevie-Rays pictures is the exact gun I have with the same Walmart $29.99 red dot scope. My 10 year olds gun enjoys shooting it.

It seems to like the CCI MiniMag the most without a single FTF or FTE. Just 2weekends ago I took my friend and his 8 year old boy to go shoot it. The little boy had the time of his life.

I can easily shoot a soda can with it at about 80 yards.

afterlife
June 11, 2011, 08:55 PM
I just got one in couple weeks ago for a guy and it is nice, hadnt heard from him since he come and picked it up but was in love when he did.

seems to be built nice. got one more here for sale and been lots of interest.

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