Single Stage vs Turret press for beginners


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TennJed
June 3, 2011, 01:18 PM
I am just started gathering info on reloading and wanted your opinions on single stage vs turret.

I will start loading for 357mag and 45lc and shoot around 500 a month of the 2 combined. (I also shoot a good bit of 9mm and will reload for them later).

How much fast is the turret over the single stage? How much can I reasonable expect to load in an hour with a single stage
If you went from a single stage to a turret did you keep the single stage and find a use for it or did you sell it?

I sorta feel that if I will eventually progress to a turret press why not spend the money and get one to start with BUT $30 for a lee reloader single stage press is not a huge investment, especially if I can always find a use for it.

Thanks

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RandyP
June 3, 2011, 01:29 PM
At a relaxed pace I batch load 50-75 rounds per hour on my single stage and 150-175 RPH on my 4-hole turret. Either is fine for a rookie reloader (or a seasoned one)

Progressive presses will do many hundreds per hour and fit high volume shooters' needs quite well, though they are not perhaps the best choice for all newcomers to the hobby?

I also am a fan of Lee gear for the serious budget savings over the other brands and readily conceed that Dillon makes the best and highest cost units. In my opinion ALL the manufacturers make good, reliable gear and they ALL produce equally safe, relibale and accurate ammo.

cfullgraf
June 3, 2011, 01:31 PM
Personally, i have never seen any advantage of a turret press over a single stage and the non-Lee presses cost lots more than their single stage brethren.

Lee turrets with the auto index is a potential positive feature, but, it is a Lee. Lots of folks like the Lee turret presses.

With a single stage, i can flip on the lights in my loading room and flip them off an hour later with 100 rounds loaded. I cannot do any better on my shot shell loaders, which operate like a turret press.

RandyP
June 3, 2011, 01:36 PM
I reckon then for you, a turret would not be an improvement, For me (and virtually ALL other auto-advancing turret users) my output triples vs the single stage batch loading process.

Perhaps you are using the turret press wrong?

coebam
June 3, 2011, 01:36 PM
I started reloading about 4 months ago. I decided to go with the lee classic turret press. It is fine for newbies, then after you feel more comfortable it is able to do 150-200 rounds per hour. No regrets here!

greyling22
June 3, 2011, 01:51 PM
go with a lee turret. get their bolt on primer feeder and their autodisk powder drop. It's almost idiot proof and way faster for me than a single stage, and if you want to run it as a single stage you just pull out the indexing rod. (30 seconds tops)

caliber change is simple and easy, you don't have to worry about your dies getting out of adjustment.

I started with one when I was 14 and learned easy (see the aforementioned idiot proofness).

Funshooter45
June 3, 2011, 02:08 PM
The Lee Classic turret will do great for loading 500 rounds per m onth of pistol ammo. I loaded for quite awhile on a single stage. It worked well, but as my shooting volume went up, it did get to be a chore with the single stage. One thing that sped things up with the single stage was sizing in big batches, say 300 or so cases in one sitting. Then Prime them all, then flare them all. Then when you feel like loading all you have to do is drop some powder and seat the bullets. But that is still not nearly as efficient as the Classic turret. You prime when you size which saves a lot of time plus you use an automatic powder measure that drops powder when you flare. You just don't have to handle the cases with your fingers as many times, so it's much more enjoyable and faster but you still get to see every case go through every step individually, so it's easier to maintain quality control compared to a true progressive.

It's not such a wonderful thing for loading rifle cartridges though. It will work, and I loaded up a lot of rifle cases with my Classic turret. But recently I drug my single stage out of retirement and made a spot for it on my bench once again. The turret press is not much of a time saver for rifles. After sizing rifle cases, you still have to stop and measure for length and trim if necessary. And the automatic powder measures just can't drop 60 or 70 gr of rifle powder. Besides, I trickle my rifle powder charges to get the weight right anyway. Plus, when you ssize on the turret press, there is a slight amount of slop in the system after the shell holder hits the die. Yes, it's consistent, but trying to get my dies adjusted to just bump the shoulder back a couple thousandths is a lot more tricky with that slop to account for. The single stage just works better for me when it comes to rifles. But for 500-1000 rounds per month of pistol ammo, the turret is hard to beat.

1KPerDay
June 3, 2011, 02:20 PM
I just started a couple months ago... I vote STRONGLY for the lee classic turret press.

Here are a couple quick vids if you're interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxJwWGYCrgs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iHPmGXyB6g

Spammy_H
June 3, 2011, 02:23 PM
I have the Lyman T-Mag and love it. Nothing wrong with the Lee, but Lyman's my preference.

To directly answer your question - I don't think that there is a problem for a rookie to use a turret press. I wouldn't recommend a progressive for a rookie, but turret should be fine.

Red Cent
June 3, 2011, 02:52 PM
The turret is way more practical. For each caliber you can purchase an inexpensive toolhead for each caliber. Twist and change toolhead/calibers. If the budget will allow, purchase powder drops for each toolhead. Each toolhead would be "fixed" for adjustments.

Old krow
June 3, 2011, 08:28 PM
If you went from a single stage to a turret did you keep the single stage and find a use for it or did you sell it?

Kept it. I've used both and like both. I can and have found uses for both, it just depends on what I am loading.

For rifles and working up loads I use the single stage.

Once I have good recipes, I load the handgun cartridges and some .223 on the turret. It is faster, I don't know about triple, but it is noticeably faster.

Dedicated turrets and powder drops make the setup and caliber changes pretty quick. Without the indexing rod a Lee Classic Turret is in essence a "multi-stage" single stage press.

I think that either one are fine, both are better.

DC Plumber
June 3, 2011, 10:23 PM
I started with Lee presses 15 years ago. I have no issues with them and use their dies for most of my handgun calibers.

However, when I started loading for my 30-06 and my 45acp, I wanted to be able to set my dies and not move them. I bought the Redding T-7 turret press and love it. I may not make me much faster at loading ammo, but five of my dies never move.

So, to answer your question, yes I believe a turret press of some kind will make your reloading a little quicker as you won't have to switch out dies anymore, though you could check into the lock and load dies. That may be another option for you.

GLOOB
June 3, 2011, 11:26 PM
I don't see a whole lot going or a turret press over a Lee Breechlock. The main advantage is also its drawback. Auto powder dispenser is the best thing about a turret. But that also means it takes longer to change calibers and/or put the thing away (if you're so inclined as to stow your press when not in use, like myself). And without an automatic dispenser, I could probably make ammo faster on a SS press than you could on a turret.

I just got done flaring, filling, seat/crimping over 200 rounds of .357 in about an hour on a Breechlock. That includes getting and putting away the dies, bullets, and powder, and getting online and double checking my recipe. These are cases I sized/primed yesterday, which took maybe 20 minutes. These were cast bullets with a crimp groove, which are nice and speedy to seat/crimp in one step.

PO2Hammer
June 3, 2011, 11:54 PM
I think the turret press is the way to go, especially for revolver loading.
For my revolver loads I resize/reprime, expand/flare, charge, then into a loading block for powder inpection. I only have to handle the case once instead of in and out of the press for each die. That's where the time is saved.

For auto rounds I can run each case through my 5 stations and have a finished round while handling the case just once. I can see the powder charge with 9mm and 45acp while they are in the press, so I don't have to remove them from the press for powder inspection.
With a single stage that's four or five times in and out of the press for each cartridge.

RustyFN
June 3, 2011, 11:54 PM
Personally, i have never seen any advantage of a turret press over a single stage and the non-Lee presses cost lots more than their single stage brethren.

With a single stage, i can flip on the lights in my loading room and flip them off an hour later with 100 rounds loaded.

The only advantage I can see is in that one hour I can load twice as much as you on my LCT.

1SOW
June 3, 2011, 11:56 PM
Just my opinion: A turret press IS a single stage press.
The advantage of the turret press is that the 'next' reloading stage comes up without having to change dies/etc. You can even load each step in 'batches' if you so desire.

IMHO, an auto indexing turret press can be fairly inexpensive and is a good way to start reloading, especially for pistol/handgun shooters who will want more volume even if they don't know it---yet.:D

RustyFN
June 3, 2011, 11:57 PM
I just got done flaring, filling, seat/crimping over 200 rounds of .357 in about an hour on a Breechlock. That includes getting and putting away the dies, bullets, and powder, and getting online and double checking my recipe. These are cases I sized/primed yesterday, which took maybe 20 minutes. These were cast bullets with a crimp groove, which are nice and speedy to seat/crimp in one step.

I do the exact same thing when I load 223 on my classic turret. I will size and prime a bunch of cases. When I sit down to load them with the sizing and priming done I can load 300 to 350 in one hour.

CraigC
June 4, 2011, 12:26 AM
IMHO, a turret press has all the advantages of a single stage with the added advantage of greater speed and preset dies. There is no disadvantage to a turret press.

Hondo 60
June 4, 2011, 12:46 AM
Having had a number of presses - single stage, turret & progressive, I agree with most of the posters here.

A Lee CLASSIC turret press is definitely a good buy.
Although you will find uses for a single stage even if you later upgrade.

rikman
June 4, 2011, 02:01 AM
Yesterday, 12:23 PM #9
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I have the Lyman T-Mag and love it. Nothing wrong with the Lee, but Lyman's my preference.

To directly answer your question - I don't think that there is a problem for a rookie to use a turret press. I wouldn't recommend a progressive for a rookie, but turret should be fine.


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What Spammy said

Lost Sheep
June 4, 2011, 04:50 AM
There are pros and cons for each.

Single stage presses do processing in batches. Turret press can do either batch or continuous.

However fast you are with a single stage, I estimate you will be about twice as fast with an auto-indexing turret, all other things being the same. Single stage, I did 50 rounds per hour. The second time I used my Lee Classic Turret, I loaded 100 rounds in 47 minutes. Both production times included setup, primer tube filling, changing dies, the "whole shootin' match" (pardon the pun) and all peripheral activities.

If I were to have only one press, I would get a Turret.

I use my turret for everything, but I am also keeping my single stage (just in case I need a REALLY STRONG press and if there is a job whose tools will not fit into my turret). I have not found such a job yet, but just in case.

This is my recommendation: By all means get the Turret if you intend to load in the few hundreds of rounds per sitting. Single stage if in the dozens or extremely low hundreds of rounds.

Get both if you can afford them, but don't buy cheap if you can possibly help it.

Why learn to load ammunition in batch mode? In batch mode you repeat each intermediate step 50 times before going to the next intermediate step. This is good for the understanding, good for the muscle memory and good for visualizing the absolute consistency required for good quality ammunition. Each one of the intermediate steps MUST BE IDENTICAL (identical crimp, identical powder charge, identical primer seating and so forth).

After a few hundred or a few thousand rounds, reinstall the autoindexing rod and use the press in continuous (straight-through) mode AFTER you are completely familiar with the process (can visualize it in your sleep) and understand the reasons behind each adjustment, each operation and what effect varying the operations parameters will do.

I cannot emphasis enough the importance of THINKING about the process of loading. And not just thinking about it while you are doing it, but thinking about it before you do it. Ask yourself the questions before doing. Think only about consistency while doing. It is easier to do that thinking in batch mode. That (in my opinion) is why most people recommend learning on a single stage and why I recommend learning in batch mode (no matter what kind of press).

Lost Sheep

TheCracker
June 4, 2011, 05:49 PM
The guys who don't see the advantages have obviously never used a turret. I have the lee breech-lock and a classic turret.
There is NO comparison on speed ESP if you use the safety prime and the auto disk. There is much less time moving brass on and off the press and the process is much more automated. The turret is easily 3-4 times faster than a single stage ESP if you are hand priming.
I say start with the classic turret and save yourself some time.

TheCracker
June 4, 2011, 06:03 PM
I don't see a whole lot going or a turret press over a Lee Breechlock. The main advantage is also its drawback. Auto powder dispenser is the best thing about a turret. But that also means it takes longer to change calibers and/or put the thing away (if you're so inclined as to stow your press when not in use, like myself). And without an automatic dispenser, I could probably make ammo faster on a SS press than you could on a turret.

I just got done flaring, filling, seat/crimping over 200 rounds of .357 in about an hour on a Breechlock. That includes getting and putting away the dies, bullets, and powder, and getting online and double checking my recipe. These are cases I sized/primed yesterday, which took maybe 20 minutes. These were cast bullets with a crimp groove, which are nice and speedy to seat/crimp in one step.

The big advantage would be that you could have done all of this in less than a hour with the turret instead of sizing and priming one day then filling, seating and crimping the next.

I can load a pistol round from start to finish every 10-12 seconds on a turret(yes i have timed myself). That's about 300 rounds per hour including sizing, priming, flare/charge, seat and crimp.
No way a single stage is that fast. Watch a few YouTube vids and you will see.
Not trying to start any crap, just tryig to help the noobs know the truth!

GLOOB
June 8, 2011, 04:42 AM
300 rd an hour, umm, sorry. That doesn't include breaks, refilling your primer and component trays, or switching calibers/powder measure, etc. I've seen a guy doing 1 round per 10 seconds, but everything is already set up, and he has the cases and bullets lined up and ready to go.

There's no doubt a turret is faster than a single stage. But when you're switching between multiple calibers, that difference comes at a cost of either a powder drop for each caliber plus the extra storage space. Or the extra time of removing, reattaching, and readjusting your powder drop every time you change caliber. This is why I threw my Perfect Powder dispenser in the closet, never to be seen again. And even if you have a dedicated powder drop, there's no way it's "at least 3-4 times faster."

And FYI, the Safety Prime is actually slower than priming on a Lee Breechlock by hand. You have to stop at the top of the stroke to use the Safety Prime. On a Breechlock, you can put the primer in while putting in the case, so there's no wasted time.

I can load a pistol round from start to finish every 10-12 seconds on a turret(yes i have timed myself).
I've filmed myself using a Lee Breechlock. I put the links at the bottom. The seating/crimping step wasn't filmed while "in the zone." If it had been it would be less than 4 seconds per round. (And when I'm in the zone, I'm looking at my box/tray of bullets while pulling the lever, deciding which one will be easiest to pick up, next!) Total estimated time is about 13-14 seconds per round. I know there's more time getting the stuff in place, and whatnot. But still, compared to 10 seconds per round maximal turret speed (also not including setup), it's not vastly slower. Certainly not by a multiple of 3-4. Even if crimping in a separate step, that only adds about 2 seconds per round, done the same way as the flaring in the second vid.

Sizing/priming ~ 4-5 seconds per round
http://s688.photobucket.com/albums/vv241/gloob27x/?action=view&current=loading001.mp4
Flaring ~ 2 seconds per (note, if I was better at math, "I could probably do these 100 cases in closer to 3 minutes!")
http://s688.photobucket.com/albums/vv241/gloob27x/?action=view&current=loading002.mp4
Charging ~ 3 seconds per
http://s688.photobucket.com/albums/vv241/gloob27x/?action=view&current=loading003.mp4
Seating ~4 seconds per, not reflected in this video.
http://s688.photobucket.com/albums/vv241/gloob27x/?action=view&current=loading004.mp4

The big advantage would be that you could have done all of this in less than a hour with the turret instead of sizing and priming one day then filling, seating and crimping the next.
The larger the batch you do on a single stage, the more efficient it is. So yeah, that's one advantage of a turret, if you load in small batches. I don't care if I get my first finished round today or tomorrow. It's the overall work involved per round that matters to me. So I wait until I have a crap ton of cases, then size/prime them at once. Then I can take my sized/primed cases and make however much of it into finished ammo, depending on my needs.

And space matters to me. I load 4 different calibers regularly (using 2-3 different powders for each caliber) and an additional 2 calibers, less frequently. I have all my various scoops in an Altoids tin, which is a bit smaller than 4 different turrets with a powder drop on each one, and no time spent fiddling with the dispensers for different loads. If I'm going to go that far, why not just go for a progressive?

IOW, a single stage press has a significant space savings advantage compared to a progressive (powder dispensers and tool heads). A turret does not. A progressive has a significant speed advantage over a single stage press. A turret does not. A turret is just a (semi)progressive for cheapskates, as far as I can tell.

Shoot66
June 8, 2011, 07:22 AM
Disengage the auto-index and the turret IS a single stage press. If you are ready to speed it up a bit, put it back.
The question is what is YOUR goal. What type of ammo you want to produce and in what quantity. If it is general ammo in a higher quantity, the turret is the ticket. If you are after high accuracy ammo, in lower quantity - a quality single stage with high quality dies would be the right way .

TheCracker
June 8, 2011, 06:54 PM
Gloob,

I'm not here to argue with you. You don't have a turret, I do. I have a breech lock single stage as well. The turret is hands down faster.

Changing calibers is as fast as changing a single die on the breech lock and all dies are in place(so actually it's way faster). Once you have a established load using the the auto disk it is a matter of about 2 mins too to unscrew 2 brass screws and install the right disk. It IS easier to change on the auto disk than the perfect powder measure. Sone of your arguments of you assuming things that you admittedly have no experience with.

You can claim all the speed you want and I don't argue with your figures on each operation. But the real time saver is the fact that you don't have all the time handling brass by taking it off and on the shell holder.

I might concede that the autoprime is faster than the safety prime IF you are dealing with already sized brass and IF you were nit worried about cleaning primer pockets.

Bottom line: when one uses all of the functions of the turret press you put the case in the shell holder one time. The next time it comes off is when it is a completely loaded round. No way you can keep up on a single stage.

Also, yes seating and crimping really speeds you up on single stage. On the turret it might add 2-3 seconds to each round but that time is easily made plus some up for with not having to mess with a loading block and removing and reinstalling the case.

You might be the worlds fastest single stage loader but you would still be faster on a turret. FACT

TheCracker
June 8, 2011, 07:10 PM
Gloob,

I will admit that I made the last post before watching your videos. I'll also admit that you did come up with a faster system for reloading single stage than I did. I really liked your sizing system!

You do have some good shortcuts and reload faster single stage than me but when I'm on my turret you couldn't keep up. Also I believe the auto disk would throw a more consistent charge.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll post a turret vid on my YouTube channel.

I'll link it on this thread and even pm you.

RustyFN
June 8, 2011, 08:14 PM
300 rd an hour, umm, sorry. That doesn't include breaks, refilling your primer and component trays, or switching calibers/powder measure, etc.

Correct, as I said that is with sized and primed cases. If I load pistol and use the safety prime I can load close to 200 per hour. That includes loading the primer tray. I load it with 200 primers at a time so I only have to load it half as many times. I usually sit down for three hours and don't take a break until I'n done.

Most people I talk to load around 50 to 75 per hour on a single stage press. At close to 200 per hour I figured that's close to three times faster.

GLOOB
June 8, 2011, 08:57 PM
^ Yeah, np. That post was in response to TheCracker's post immediatel before it. Not yours. Anyways, while we're at it, you compared your output to mine, but failed to point out that you don't have to flare rifle ammo. Cheater. :)

I can see how a Classic Turret would be up to 3 times faster for some people. Depends on the actual SS press, ammo/crimp, sizing/priming method, and the operator. In my case, I can imagine a turret being up to twice as fast. But that increased output would come with a couple of downsides. If you're going to deal with those, how much harder would it be to deal with a full progressive? You already have the tool heads, priming system, and powder dispensers to futz with. With the progressive you're just adding a shell plate, at a minimum.

Lost Sheep
June 8, 2011, 10:54 PM
I went from Pro-1000 progressive to a Classic Turret.

Changing tool heads is equally easy on either press.
Changing primer sizes is MUCH easier with the turret.
Changing shell holders is MUCH easier with the turret.
Changing the powder measure is the same (as I used the Lee Auto-Disk, but with the spring return, not the chain)

I can change calibers on the turret as quickly as I can get the items out of where they're stored and involve no tools whatsoever. Changing calibers on the progressive is a bother. That's why I used to have a pair of them (one for large primer chamberings and one for small) and I decided to simplify even more by going to the turret.

If I loaded 500 rounds at a time of a single caliber, I might go for a progressive, but I don't, so it makes sense to me to dispose of my progressives.

The fact that the Lee Classic Turret handles its spent primers better and does not require the intense monitoring and tweaking the Pro-1000 does clinches it for me. I don't think I ever achieved much more than 150 rounds in an hour (though short spurts were faster, I am talking sustained output) with the Pro-1000. I am confident I can make 120 per hour on the turret safely and carefully.

I hope my viewpoint assists understanding

Lost Sheep

hydraulicman
June 8, 2011, 11:39 PM
sounds like the lee classic cast is a fine choice for you. I hear nothing but great things about the lee turret ( the classic cast ) but I have no experience with one.

GLOOB
June 9, 2011, 02:41 AM
Changing tool heads is equally easy on either press.
Changing primer sizes is MUCH easier with the turret.
Changing shell holders is MUCH easier with the turret.
Changing the powder measure is the same (as I used the Lee Auto-Disk, but with the spring return, not the chain)
Yeah, I hear that. I would already have a Pro 1000 if I had ONE caliber I primarily loaded for. But I'm thinkin I could get by with a luger/40 shellplate and just use it for those 2 calibers. If I only had a place to put it. My current bench cans barely handle a SS.

evan price
June 9, 2011, 06:33 AM
I run a Lee turret and pro-1000. It's nice to swap turrets between the two for working a small run of some oddball bullet or load testing. At first the Pro-1000 wasn't working fast for me, but you should learn smooth first, the speed will come. I do 300 per hour easy on the Pro1000 now.

BUT! The turret gets used for all my tall rifle ammo and load development. It's nicer than a breechlock single stage in that it's all setup, and I can do ONE round without changing anything, or many rounds if I choose. But it's my preference to do it that way.

RandyP
June 9, 2011, 12:19 PM
I too have the Lee breech lock single stage and their 4 hole Classic turret. Great machines, as are ALL other makes and models.

I count my rounds per hour output starting with a case fresh from the tumbler, with the fired primer in place and a full primer tray on my press. If you are starting with anything more prepared IMHO you really need to add all that case prep time to the total round count to get an accurate, honest number.

So when I say 50-75 per hour on the single stage and 150-175 per hour on the turret (which includes refreshing the primer tray), I have complete confidence in posting those numbers.

I try to never brand bash, heck if you reload on a Camdex EVERYONE else - including Dillon - makes cheap, slow junk - LOL

RandyP
June 9, 2011, 12:26 PM
I too have the Lee breech lock single stage and their 4 hole Classic turret. Great machines, as are ALL other makes and models.

I count my rounds per hour output starting with a unprimed case, fresh from the tumbler, and a full primer tray . If you are starting with anything more prepared IMHO you really need to add all that case prep time to the total round count to get an accurate, honest number.

So when I say 50-75 per hour on the single stage and 150-175 per hour on the turret (which includes refreshing the primer tray), I have complete confidence in posting those numbers.

I try to never brand bash, heck if you reload on a Camdex EVERYONE else - including Dillon - makes cheap, slow junk - LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCsUscgCDJ0&feature=related

GLOOB
June 9, 2011, 06:09 PM
Why would you start with the primer tray filled? That time counts for sure.

I'd go so far as to include the time of putting on the toolhead and setting up the powder dispenser. If you really only load one caliber/load, then you might as well have a progressive.

Starting from complete scratch, I have loaded about 125 rds in an hour, start to finish, on my SS press. This was with the dies still in the box, powder still in the can, primers still in their original packaging, charge still undecided and double checked online before charging the cases. That included a couple breaks, too.

That still isn't 175 an hour, but tell ya what. Next time I do it, I'll do exactly 100 rounds, and I WILL try to break a record. I'll post my time, here. :) It'll be .45 ACP, cuz that's all I have for reloading ATM. They're in the tumbler as we speak. :)

RandyP
June 9, 2011, 06:16 PM
The FANTASTIC thing about reloading in my own home is that I have NO critics of my process or output speed. Nor do I fret much over exactly how many rounds per hour I make. I am ONLY reloading during my FREE time. By my definition those are hours during which I am 'free' to do whatever the heck I feel like doing. Sometimes that is reloading but as infrequently as I shoot? It's not something I do every week.

Funshooter45
June 9, 2011, 06:56 PM
Well... what can I say? You and I are obviously just slackers. It's a wonder we make it out of bed most days. :)

GLOOB
June 9, 2011, 08:09 PM
I'm not criticizing. Just showing the difference between a turret and a single stage is not that great when you know what you're doing. The biggest difference is the auto powder throw, which is also one of its weaknesses in terms of changing between loads.

Anyhoo, just timed myself doing 100 rounds 45 ACP, start to finish. Starting with dies and shellholder in the box, bullets in the box, powder in the can, primers in the factory packaging, shells unsized with old primers still in, priming arm not installed.

32 minutes. 3:33 on the clock when I opened the die box. 4:05 when the last round was seated/crimped. Add 2 more minutes to put away all of the above.

It took less than 2 minutes to set everything up. Around ten minutes to size/prime. About 3 minutes to flare. About 16 minutes to charge and seat in 3 batches of 35/35/30.

My seating die was preset, but I did stop to test my flare. I didn't remember what type bullet I used last, jacketed or plated. And I stopped to fish a primer out of the tube when I accidentally dropped a live one down the chute. Got it. :) Finished with 99 good rounds, and 1 with a broken plating.

It works better when you size/prime/flare in larger batches, so even at a leisurely pace I believe I break 125 per hour, easy, over longer stretches.

cfullgraf
June 9, 2011, 08:24 PM
Why would you start with the primer tray filled? That time counts for sure.

I'd go so far as to include the time of putting on the toolhead and setting up the powder dispenser. If you really only load one caliber/load, then you might as well have a progressive.

Starting from complete scratch, I have loaded about 125 rds in an hour, start to finish, on my SS press. This was with the dies still in the box, powder still in the can, primers still in their original packaging, charge still undecided and double checked online before charging the cases. That included a couple breaks, too.

That still isn't 175 an hour, but tell ya what. Next time I do it, I'll do exactly 100 rounds, and I WILL try to break a record. I'll post my time, here. :) It'll be .45 ACP, cuz that's all I have for reloading ATM. They're in the tumbler as we speak. :)

My process agrees with your figures, GLOOB, although I include the time at the end to clean up, store ammo away, log in my records book and shut the light off.

I get about 100 rounds in the first hour on the single stage. A second hour increases the overall rate some as I am already set up when headed into the second hour.

As I have said, I can flip on the lights in my reloading room then flip them out an hour later with 100 rounds loaded.

CraigC
June 9, 2011, 09:12 PM
Anybody who thinks a turret is not quicker and more convenient than a single stage has obviously never used one.

GLOOB
June 9, 2011, 09:21 PM
They're obviously faster. More convenient? Depends on your needs. Because while they are a little bit faster, they come with tradeoffs.

I do dispute the 3-4 times faster claim. To be 3-4 times faster, you'd have to be able to make a completed round in the same time it takes to perform a single operation on a SS press. Obviously, only a progressive press can be 3-4 times faster than a SS. I have my doubts that a turret can even be twice as fast. But my time is posted. Hopefully someone will take a stab at the 100 rd 45 ACP Challenge with their Classic Turret and be man enough to post their time.

LOLBELL
June 9, 2011, 11:35 PM
I have two presses, a Lee and an RCBS, both are turrets. I have never timed myself, but I know I am not as fast as posted here. Some folks would even call me slow. I can, I think, load about 75-100 rounds per hour. What I like about the turrets is that I can keep 2 rifle and one pistol caliber set up without having to change anything but the powder throw which is RCBS. The Lee is an older three hole, I have 22-250 set up on it. The RCBS is a six hole I have a 270 and 44mag set up on it.

RustyFN
June 10, 2011, 06:37 PM
Anyhoo, just timed myself doing 100 rounds 45 ACP, start to finish. Starting with dies and shellholder in the box, bullets in the box, powder in the can, primers in the factory packaging, shells unsized with old primers still in, priming arm not installed.

32 minutes. 3:33 on the clock when I opened the die box. 4:05 when the last round was seated/crimped. Add 2 more minutes to put away all of the above.

That's a good time on a single stage. The main difference I see from your videos is it looks like you are loading at a rushed pace. I load at a relaxed comfortable pace and get close to 200 per hour. I know people that load on a classic turret at a rushed pace and load from 250 to 300 per hour. None the less 100 rounds in 32 minutes is impressive.

springer99
June 10, 2011, 09:48 PM
I'll give another vote for the Lee Classic Cast 4-hole turret, if you're mostly planning to reload pistol ammo. If you start with a single stage press, you'll end up spending twice as much time reloading over the turret, and gain nothing in terms of higher quality reloads. Using extra turrets with the dies pre-set, along with the Pro powder measure installed, it's also a snap to change calibers. Output of 175-200 per hour is easily managed without rushing.

By the way, I also use the turret to reload rifle cartidges, but then I just remove the auto indexing pin and use the press as a single stage. The only reason for doing that is that I've found the Pro powder measure doesn't normally dispense large enough powder charges; at least not for 30-06.

ArchAngelCD
June 11, 2011, 05:47 AM
I own a Lee Classic 4 hole Turret Press and I can safely load 180-200 rounds an hour.

If you are worried about learning all you need to do is remove the auto-index rod and use your turret press as a single stage until you get the hang of things. You can also use the press as a single stage when loading rifle ammo like I do.

If you did buy a single stage press first and then buy a turret press I would keep the single stage for loading rifle ammo.

TheCracker
June 11, 2011, 04:36 PM
As promised here is the video of the Lee Classic Turret press utilizing all functions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iDGCObmFTk

As you will see I was able to completely load 25 rounds in 5 min 23 sec(actually loaded 26 but forgot the primer on one while I was talking). This is with me talking and even allowing for a couple quirks. I could easily keep up a pace of 25 rounds per 5 minutes not talking to the video camera. Below I will explore some math.

Best case:
25 rounds per 5 min = 300 rounds per hour

Worst case:
25 rounds per 5 min 30 sec = 273 rounds per hour

No these times dont include setup or adding primers (i usually load 200 primers at a time). It only takes 2 or 3 minutes to dump more primers in the saftey prime.

If you want to worry about set up times it took 6 minutes to clamp the press to my desk and get all the components loaded in the press/ready to load in the bowls. You could add about the same to pack it all up.

RandyP
June 11, 2011, 08:12 PM
Very nice video.

I realize you just did the low primer count in the dispenser for sake of the video for the demo. I know on mine I try to refill just when the circular primer dish is empty and before tha chute gets emptied. The Lee feed does like some gravity pressure from some primers working to keep the dispenser working well.

Even allowing for 10-12 minutes of setup/takedown time that would still be near 200 rounds per hour output at that pace.

I further stand by my notion that a turret is several times faster than a single stage. Not up to full progressive speeds, but I suspect most reloaders don't really 'need' high speed for their realistic shooting requirements.

TheCracker
June 12, 2011, 12:41 PM
Very nice video.

I realize you just did the low primer count in the dispenser for sake of the video for the demo. I know on mine I try to refill just when the circular primer dish is empty and before tha chute gets emptied. The Lee feed does like some gravity pressure from some primers working to keep the dispenser working well.

Even allowing for 10-12 minutes of setup/takedown time that would still be near 200 rounds per hour output at that pace.

I further stand by my notion that a turret is several times faster than a single stage. Not up to full progressive speeds, but I suspect most reloaders don't really 'need' high speed for their realistic shooting requirements.
Thanks!

Usually load 400 9mm at a time. I’ve never sat down with a stopwatch but I know it doesn’t take me a full 2 hours. It usually takes approximately an hour and a half from setup to take down, well maybe a 1:45 on a slower day. That’s starting with tumbled unsized brass that hasn’t been decapped.

I’ll stand by my numbers and can do that at a comfortable pace. I have my doubts that a person could keep up the pace of 100 SS rounds in 33 mins unless they are guzzling Red Bull or something. The pace on the video is comfortable and maintainable. I might get up once to take a wiz but it’s not like I need a 5 min break at work. I usually listen to Fox news radio through iTunes and crank away.

So I certainly agree that the turret is faster easier and certainly more convenient. Yes I said more convenient. You have a turret head with all dies preset, It takes all of 10 seconds to take it out of the press and another 10 to twist a new one in. Just as easy as chanhing dies in a breech lock press. The auto disk is WAY easier to change than a perfect powder measure and I believe more consistent than a dipper would ever be (since it would be easy to compact a scoop to get more powder and easy to not top it off the same way each time, esp if one was in a hurry)

TheCracker
June 12, 2011, 12:44 PM
Back to the OP's question:

When I decided to reload I had made my mind up to get the Classic turret after much studying. When I got to Cabelas they were out of the turret and the guy in the relaoding department talked me into the breechlock kit. I had already studied it and went ahead and bouht it. After a year or so with that I upgraded to the Turret and it was well worth it. I dont regret the SS breech lock since I still use it for my bolt gun loading but if you are only going to have one press and dont want to spend the money for a quality progressive like the dillon or hornady(and dont want to load multiple calibers) go with the Classic Turret. You can learn to load in single stage mode then later on out tine indexing rod back in and life will be much easier.

BAGTIC
June 12, 2011, 05:50 PM
There are advantages to using the slower method. One is that it keeps you out from under the wife's feet for longer. That alone is enough.

I started with C-H alloy press (1960) and over the years have added Bonanza-Co Ax, Rockchucker, Lee C-press, Lee & Hornady & RCBS & Dillon progressives and a couple of Hornady progressive shotshells, and several MEC and a few others. In recents years I have returned primarily to single stage presses. It may be because I have retired and have more 'free time' to fill around the house. Personally I find reloading relaxing especially if I put on some good music to pass the time.

I am still using my original (1960) Redding #3 powder measure and RCBS scale.

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