Anyone see this AR stock before?


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Jambino46
June 5, 2011, 12:20 AM
I found this video on youtube & I'm wondering if anyone has used one of these before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1WhhKH3QVU apparently ATF has approved this. Looks like fun. Video has a link to the site for them. 349.95 :eek:

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onfloat
June 5, 2011, 12:29 AM
Interesting!

Kliegl
June 5, 2011, 12:35 AM
I own one. I enjoy it very much. I can comment further on it if people are interested or if it hasn't been talked about already.

MrCleanOK
June 5, 2011, 01:10 AM
It's been discussed many times before. It's a very expensive way to turn money into noise even faster. If it revs your engine, get one and enjoy the hell out of it. I think for most of us, we'll be passing.

kd7nqb
June 5, 2011, 03:27 AM
So why is this ok and the Atkins 10/22 kit not ok they work the same way?

MrCleanOK
June 5, 2011, 04:12 AM
My limited understanding of the Atkins kit is that it contained a spring or springs. The AR-15 slide stock does not. It is powered by human power, and doesn't contain springs to boost the action.

Kliegl
June 5, 2011, 11:52 AM
It's been discussed many times before. It's a very expensive way to turn money into noise even faster. If it revs your engine, get one and enjoy the hell out of it. I think for most of us, we'll be passing.

Yeah, this product seems to inspire a lot of put-downs, I guess it's not proper to bump fire a gun. I have never been particularly concerned with being proper myself, so I have a good time with mine.

USAF_Vet
June 5, 2011, 12:06 PM
Bump firing is a neat thing to show off at the public range. As said, it's another way to turn money into noise. Heck, even the M-16s and M-4s issued to our troops aren't full auto anymore. Full auto is a waste in a standard infantry rifle (my opinion). Even when I had the option of burst, I always preferred semi-auto. In war, burst or full auto has a practical purpose. Otherwise, it's just a fun way to burn money.

Six
June 5, 2011, 12:44 PM
Yeah, this product seems to inspire a lot of put-downs, I guess it's not proper to bump fire a gun. I have never been particularly concerned with being proper myself, so I have a good time with mine.

Guns, serious business.

It's funny, people will talk endlessly about guns they own just for fun. A thread about shooting a cap and ball revolver with real black powder will result in lots of supportive, positive comments. But when the subject of PGO shotguns or bumpfiring rifles comes up, suddenly there's some line that's been crossed and it's time to raise our noses in the air. "It's so impractical! There's no real world use for it! Semi-auto fire / full stock is much better! It's just wasting money!" Etc etc etc.

Gunforums are funny.


Never seen this stock before, looks really neat. Any reason why it wouldn't work with a .22 conversion kit?

Rail Driver
June 5, 2011, 12:47 PM
I just ordered one and expect it in a few days. I'll post a range report when I get it. It's ugly, but the premise is good and everything I've heard has been good. The stock won't work with .22 because there isn't enough recoil in the .22 cartridge to make the stock function properly (not enough recoil impulse for trigger reset)

Owen Sparks
June 5, 2011, 05:04 PM
I just can't believe that it would still be on the market if it really worked. Some company came up with a bump fire .22 that actually worked and the BATFE got involved and put a quick end to it.

WaltonS
June 5, 2011, 05:16 PM
Truthfully, it seems to me like an expensive way to throw lots of money downrange... If that's your style, knock yourself out. Personally, though? I'll pass...

Owen Sparks
June 5, 2011, 05:59 PM
One way to make up for the lack of close range stopping power is a controled burst. This makes sense with military FMJ pistol calibers and 5.56 when the enemy is just a few yards away and is trying to shoot back. My AR's are all in 6.8 so one solid hit should do plus it would be hard to control with a burst. I can see it as practical in 9MM or 5.56 if the thing actually works.

gym
June 5, 2011, 08:32 PM
My gun store has them. They are selling rather well. I don't see how the ATF is letting them slide by so easily. I like them, they are coming out with a model for the AK. They work well and are very controlable. My gun store owner is a friend and he was offered a distributership. You can fire 1-3 round bursts or more as you get the hang of it. Or empty the entire mag. The fact that the stock travels straight back keeps it pretty much on target. Utube has many videos on it, just google slide fire stock.

DammitBoy
June 5, 2011, 08:43 PM
$350.00 for an AR-15 stock? No thanks.

gym
June 5, 2011, 08:49 PM
They come with a letter from the ATF, saying that they are legal. They have no moving parts. You can look it up online if you choose to.
•Available in both Right and Left handed models

•Quickly installs on any AR-15 with an adjustable stock

•Constructed of premium reinforced high strength polymer

•Compatible with Mil-Spec and Commercial buffer tubes

•Some aftermarket trigger guards and sling attachment points may not be compatible

Installation Notes:
The SSAR-15 is designed for use on all AR-15 rifles equipped with a carbine style buffer tube. There are no permanent modifications or gunsmith required to install the SSAR-15.

By removing the factory pistol grip and replacing it with the provided Interface Block - the SSAR-15 simply slides onto the buffer tube; replacing the factory adjustable stock. All tools required to install the SSAR-15 are provided.
Compatible with Mil-Spec and Commercial Buffer tubes.
PLEASE NOTE:
The SSAR-15 is NOT a mechanical device. It does not perform any automatic functions, and it does not increase a rifles rate of fire.

The SSAR-15 is a rifle stock, and the muscular application of force to create forward movement of the firearm defines the will of the shooter to discharge each individual round of ammunition. Each discharge requires a separate decision by the operator to move the firearm back to a firing condition.

With the SSAR-15 installed – the firearm is still dependent on an actively engaged operator at all times; if the operator ceases to apply sufficient effort to move the firearm back to a firing condition; the firearm will immediately cease operating. The SSAR-15 is a non-mechanical device and will work as advertised with any rifle that meets the use specifications and is set up correctly, therefore returns on this item are subject to a restocking fee and our actual shipping cost.
ATTENTION - The installation and/or use of a Slide Fire Solutions, Inc. product - is a binding agreement that the purchaser assumes all risks associated with the use of said products, and releases and holds harmless Noble Firearms Inc, Slide Fire Solutions, Inc., Military Gun Supply, their affiliates, successors, shareholders, employees and representatives, from and against any liability, disability, death or loss or damage to person or property, whether arising from negligence or otherwise.

Flash!
June 5, 2011, 08:53 PM
when these first hit the market they were priced about $280..... within a couple months the price jumped up to $350...... either way, they are cool stocks, but so overpriced that I won't consider buying one..... hopefully the new will wear off and the price become more reasonable..... until then I'll bumpfire the old fashioned way.....

Effigy
June 5, 2011, 09:23 PM
It's probably fun when you first get it, but as others have said I doubt you'll want to just burn off rounds like that in the long term due to cost. Spending $350 on a stock just for a cheap thrill seems ill advised to me.

Even if ATF approved it (which is hard for me to believe), that just means it's legal at the federal level. Individual states may deem this illegal, which wouldn't surprise me at all since this is clearly exploiting a loophole in the ban on full-auto weapons.

john5036
June 5, 2011, 09:44 PM
If you got the coins to afford a luxury of financing the ammunition you can burn through on those things, by all means go for it, but if you have to ask a gun forum about it, then odds are you care about the money and want to hear from others why or why they did not get one of these. That's not silly, it's honest.

So the negativity about the Slide Fire is mainly concerned with the price. $300+ or so in the context of being used with an AR can easily be applied to practical/or even personal improvements to the gun. Otherwise, it bears no observable/quantifiable value in competitions (yet, maybe?), defense, or even a value for you the end user. The sale benefits solely the manufacturer, your reward for purchasing it is what? Lots of people here can't find the "what's in it for me?" in purchasing one of those.

If that $300+ SFS stock brings your family closer together on range days, or if it's a convo piece that enhances a relationship, by all means any decent person can see the personal benefits. That stock could be worth every penny. It's just for many people here, the hobby of guns by itself (not the individual parts) is the foundation of some of their relationships with friends/wives/kids.

It's $300+ to make an expensive practice, more expensive.

So, it's not silly that people make negative comments on it based on financial reasons. It's a real thing to consider for something with limited intended use such as an AR... especially when:

It's $300+

I'd pay more attention to what they are not saying, "Oh the crap that stock is, it broke my rifle!" or "The stock broke during use..." and go from there, because it's $300+ of your money to do with however you please.

So if you can foot the bill, and the increasing cost over time to use that stock, by all means proceed just don't take it personally when people on THR don't rave about it being worth it, aside from a purely elective purchase.

Effigy
June 5, 2011, 10:06 PM
As a comparison, $300 could buy you around 1,500 rounds of plinking ammo for the AR-15. Personally I'd rather have the extra ammo.

Owen Sparks
June 6, 2011, 01:16 AM
I think that they cost $365 now.

Rshooter
June 6, 2011, 03:57 PM
While I would have no use for them I agree that they are the PGO's of the rifle world. People seem to get up in arms about this stock.

Old krow
June 6, 2011, 06:13 PM
then odds are you care about the money and want to hear from others why or why they did not get one of these. That's not silly, it's honest.


If I were to buy only practical guns and shoot when it was practical I'd have a MUCH bigger boat. ;)

It's a very expensive way to turn money into noise even faster.

Personally I prefer to turn my money into noise the slow way. :) But it looks fun.

JustinJ
June 6, 2011, 06:19 PM
"Heck, even the M-16s and M-4s issued to our troops aren't full auto anymore."

It's my understanding that M16s have 3 round burst and M4's full auto.

I'd probably get one except i think the price is unreasonable for what you get. They look like a blast but none of my local ranges would allow them so i'd only get to use when at friend's land. Plus the novelty would probaby wear off quickly, ecspecially with the cost of ammo. Now if they ever make one for the AK platform i don't know if i could resist for my AK74.

Sam Cade
June 6, 2011, 06:52 PM
It's my understanding that M16s have 3 round burst and M4's full auto

M16A2: 3 Round Burst
M4: 3 Round Burst

M4A1: Full Auto

USAF_Vet
June 6, 2011, 07:44 PM
It's funny, people will talk endlessly about guns they own just for fun. A thread about shooting a cap and ball revolver with real black powder will result in lots of supportive, positive comments. But when the subject of PGO shotguns or bumpfiring rifles comes up, suddenly there's some line that's been crossed and it's time to raise our noses in the air. "It's so impractical! There's no real world use for it! Semi-auto fire / full stock is much better! It's just wasting money!" Etc etc etc.

Gun forums are funny.

Yes they are. Very good points.
In the case of PGO shotguns, I don't like them because they hurt.
In the case of bumpfire stocks, I don't like them because I see a lot of money flashing by very fast.

But who gives a monkey's knuckle what I think? :D

PLRinmypocket
June 6, 2011, 10:51 PM
For those that are questioning the reason to get one of these.....There is always competition.

we have a local monthly sub-machinegun competition with many pre-86 transferable machineguns, (uzi's mostly) and the question of whether this would be allowed came up. The powers that be said they would allow it, as long as it was safe and controllable. and the videos online show that it is controllable.

So if anyone in the central or east coast of Florida has one in a 9mm AR (only pistol caliber is allowed), bring it to the next match on the first Sunday of every month at the port malabar rifle and pistol club (palmbay, FL).

They also allow semi-autos to compete too, but you do not get the bonuses that the full auto guys can get.

halogrinder
June 6, 2011, 11:06 PM
lets just hope the ATF doesnt repeal its desision and wants all owners to surrender their item.....


its happened before!

wally
June 7, 2011, 10:14 AM
Personally I prefer to turn my money into noise the slow way

I've got one. With my 7.62x25 upper on it burning through the corrosive surplus ammo its no more expensive than shooting off fireworks when you get down to it. With "burn bans" in effect in all surrounding counties here, it may be our only 4th of July option this year.

Using it with a 9mm upper and shooting reloads would cost about the same.

I tried my Spike's Tactical dedicated .22LR upper, no go, just not enough recoil to work the thing.

john5036
June 7, 2011, 12:21 PM
But who gives a monkey's knuckle what I think? :D

If I had a monkey's knuckle, I'd give it to you, sir. :cool:

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