300-MP powder and Hornady XTP?


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Shrinkmd
June 5, 2011, 10:51 AM
I can't find any Speer GDHP bullets, but Hornady XTP are plentiful. I picked up a can of the new Alliant 300MP to experiment with.

Can I use the Alliant data for the Hornady bullet? I read somewhere that the Speer bullets have a softer jacket, so peak pressures would be lower. Any truth to this?

I guess with new powders and bullets that you just work up slowly, but I wish there was a bit more data. Especially since I don't want to scratch the forcing cone (weren't there problems with Lil' gun which is another supermag powder?)

Also, has anyone tried 300MP with hardcast bullets?

I am interested in .357 and .44 magnum.

Thanks.

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bluetopper
June 5, 2011, 01:11 PM
I would use the Alliant data for all jacketed bullets of the same weight. Just start 10% below max and work your way up to your liking or to the max.

Yes, there has been problems of Lil Gun burning excessively hot and eroding forcing cones at max loadings. I don't know if the problem just pertains to the super magnum calibers or not.

Shrinkmd
June 5, 2011, 01:26 PM
I picked up a box of Hornady factory 240gr XTP's so when I reload 'em I can use same brass and bullet. I can chrony them and see how the 2400 load does compared to the 300MP loads.

So how many of these can I shoot in a new 629 before it gets loosened up?

I remember someone posted that they put 20k 38+p through a 640 and s&w just replaced it. I wonder if they do that for 629's shot with factory strength ammo?

(I edited this, incorrectly said ftx, meant xtp)

bluetopper
June 5, 2011, 02:25 PM
As far as I know you can shoot a lifetime of 44 Magnums that are not over max pressures and still have a tight gun. Mine are.
When you load the two powders up you might want to see which holds the tightest groups too.........just a thought. Seems a lot of people now days are interested in power over accuracy for some reason.

buck460XVR
June 5, 2011, 02:42 PM
I picked up a box of Hornady factory 240FTX, so when I reload 'em I can use same brass and bullet.

You do know about the use of shorter cases when reloading the FTX bullets, right? Using these same cases for standard bullets and crimping in the cannelure will produce a shorter COL and higher pressures than most manuals give. This is why many folks use separate brass for them. This from Hornady.......

When loading FTX bullets, it is important to keep in mind the longer
ogive of the FTX bullet. This requires that the case be trimmed
approximately .020 shorter than when loading conventional bullets. This
maintains the correct Cartridge Overall Length, which is necessary to
ensure proper function in lever guns and revolvers.


Your 629 will outlive you if you keep your loads within SAAMI limits. IMHO tho...... I wouldn't waste my monies on the FTX bullets for use in it. You will see no advantage in accuracy and velocity over standard XTPs outta your revolver and in most cases the terminal performance will not be as good.

gamestalker
June 5, 2011, 03:07 PM
The data for Hornady v.s. Speer is nearly equal with 296/H110 which are magnum powders of course. Though there is a very small variation in maximum powder charge (.6 for a 125 gr. bullet), this is probably more the case of Speer riding on the side of caution. Speer data often down loads slightly with exception to some of their new bullets, Deep Curl, that require a load range specific to the bullet. I load a lot of .357 mag. and 44 mag. using the Gold Dot and have never worked up any differently than as with a Hornady or any other bullet. Gold Dots are in fact a little softer than XTP's, but they are very tollerent to the higher working pressures created by magnum powders. Some regard the Gold Dot as a plated bullet which is kind of accurate. But because Speer uses a process that impregnates the core with a very thick outer plating, the bullet is as stable to load with magnum powders as is any jacketed bullet.
Let me know how that 300 MP works out for you. I've been interested in trying it, especially after eye balling the performance data.

Shrinkmd
June 5, 2011, 07:36 PM
Oops, I meant XTP, not FTX. Standard jhp are fine, but I did see that about the flex tip bullets and needing to retrim the cases a bit.

So people think keeping a bit under max will yield 30-40k through the gun? I know I probably won't get that many through it, but once I find the loads the gun likes, I want the grandkids to be able to enjoy it as well.

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