Rossi Matched Pair Pistol


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PoserHoser
June 6, 2011, 01:48 AM
Hi I was curious about this gun. has anyone fire one or handled one? its chambered in .45/.410 and includes .22 barrel. also interested in how the .410 would pattern all opinions and advice appreciated

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Apple a Day
June 6, 2011, 06:48 PM
First time I've heard of it but I have the longer version and it's a ton of fun to shoot. If they made a double barreled pistol it would be a beautiful thing!

gdesloge
June 6, 2011, 06:59 PM
That's neato!

I thought that you were referring to the Matched Pair rifles, but here it is:

http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=218&category=3&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=

gd

PoserHoser
June 6, 2011, 08:01 PM
i agree i wish some one would make a double barrel

gdesloge
June 6, 2011, 08:37 PM
Maybe this?

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=14020

gd

Apple a Day
June 6, 2011, 11:42 PM
I was just thinking... won't the rifled barrel screw up a rifled .410 slug's accuracy? Anybody got a Judge long gun and tried it?

gathert
June 7, 2011, 01:42 PM
Rifling makes things more accurate so... I'm thinking not.

acgill07
June 7, 2011, 05:46 PM
But rifled slugs are meant for smooth bores not rifled barrels. I might be interested in one of these. Wish they had more info on the website. No weight specs etc.

tango2echo
June 27, 2011, 08:42 AM
From what I understand (from calling Rossi CS) the .410 barrel is smooth not rifled. It comes with a modified choke and you can purchase a rifled choke tube for about $20 if you wish. It has the same chamber dimensions as a 3" Judge, so shooting just about any .45LC load and any 2 1/2" to 3" .410 load should be no problem. The .22LR barrel is drilled and tapped and uses the same base as the TC Encore, so mounting a red dot sight should be a piece of cake. Recoil will be "heavy" with 3" magnum .410 loads and I imagine quite loud. My recoil calculator shows about the same as a 300gr .454 load when compaired to a 3" 000 buckshot load. Around 39ftlbs. :eek: Weighs less than 30 ounces in .410 configuration. The whole package with both barrels and a case weighs less than 60oz.

This is a very interesting truck/camping/survival gun. I told my dealer to call when he got one for me. MSRP is $336, out the door less than $250.

t2e

gdesloge
June 30, 2011, 02:24 PM
"From what I understand (from calling Rossi CS) the .410 barrel is smooth not rifled."


I believe that this would make the pistol a "short-barreled shotgun", which is covered by the NFA.

The "Judge" is not included because it has a rifled barrel.

I would expect that the Matched Pair would be similarly constructed.

gd

tango2echo
July 2, 2011, 03:28 PM
Two calls to Rossi CS and they have stated both times that the barrel is smooth with removable choke tubes. It comes with a (smooth) Modified, and (smooth) Cylinder Bore and Cylinder Bore Rifled are available for $26 each.

The barrel is stamped .410 2 3/4" & 3"/.45LC.

On the second call they stated the .22lr barrel WAS NOT drilled and tapped for a scope, so iron sights appear to be the only option for now.

They are saying late July to Mid August before they ship any and the larger dealers should have them available in late July.

FIREARMS – Whether certain weapons meet the statutory definition of “short-barreled shotgun.”

If a weapon, as originally manufactured, did not meet the statutory definition of a “shotgun,” then the weapon is not a “short-barreled shotgun” for purposes of the law, either as originally manufactured or as later modified.

I do not know the law on SBS, and am no expert by any means, but Rossi is selling and marketing this as a PISTOL and it was originally MFG and MARKETED as a PISTOL. From my understanding it cannot be a SBS because it was never MFG as a weapon meeting the definiton of a shotgun. What my dealer is saying is that it falls under AOW laws and only requires a $5 tax stamp and not the $200 stamp. This would make sense with Rossi's marketing stratagy and what their CS is telling people. I have been assured twice now that it is certainly a smooth bore and sold and classified as a pistol.

t2e

kozak6
July 3, 2011, 04:00 AM
In order for it to be a "short barreled shotgun", it would have required a stock to be installed at some point.

A smoothbore pistol is clearly an AOW. Out of all their rifled and generally legal .410 pistols, it seems rather unlikely that Taurus would decide to leave one smoothbore and in NFA territory.

Perhaps Rossi cs thought you meant a Matched Pair longarm set.

Personally, I am far more excited about the .22 barrel.

tango2echo
July 3, 2011, 09:22 AM
Perhaps Rossi cs thought you meant a Matched Pair longarm set.


No. It was absolutely clear we were talking about the pistol set.

gdesloge
July 3, 2011, 10:23 AM
Thanks, t2e.

gd

P.S. I am not sure, but this issue may related to the reclassification by the BATFE of pistol-gripped shotguns.


http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/PistolGrippedShotgunLike.pdf

http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/testttt20001.pdf

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/atf-position-on-pistol-grip-shotguns-creates-new-danger

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/general-firearm-discussion/15546-atf-rules-pistol-grip-shotguns-destructive-device.html

bcp280z
July 3, 2011, 09:22 PM
It is rifled, the 45 and 410 share barrel, why would it be smooth? 45colt out of smooth bore is far worse imo than rifled shot.

Rossi and Taurus are associated, it's a cheapo single shot judge

It would be fun, looks like a better grip than my Super Commanche-another Latin American cheapo Judge. And with it's 10in barrel the shot is decent up to about 10yds, the 45 in mine is a waste, 3-4in groups at 7yds, plus the sights suck, again this is info on another long-barreled single shot pistol.

I had a matched pair Rossi rifle, 12ga/22wmr, it functioned fine and was fun, good quality materials, not high end finish or so but you get what you pay for.

They do have a double barrel 45/410 11inch barrel pistol, it's a Leinad, formerly Cobray Arms "Deringer" They also have a 5shot pepperbox which seems pretty cool too.

Personally I guess you can tell I like these cheap "fun" guns, but that's all they are.

As for firing/handling characteristics, recoil is fun, not too bad, I like to hold it one handed like a cowboy or two handed like a long gun, my gf tried holding it two handed like a pistol and the recoil left her an interesting scar are her forehead...it was hilarious. just hold it firmly, some of the three inch shells get stuck in mine, keep your leatherman with you

jon86
October 14, 2011, 04:24 PM
Has anyone ever shot one of these? How is the 22lr accuracy? How is the 45 colt accuracy?

tango2echo
October 14, 2011, 05:17 PM
Mine has been on order since before this thread was started. I don't think any have shipped.

t2e

Apple a Day
March 20, 2012, 08:52 PM
So, does anyone have one of these? Seen one of these yet?

tango2echo
March 20, 2012, 10:32 PM
Last I've heard they have run afoul of current ATF restrictions and have not been shipped, but that was months ago.

t2e

smokey30725
March 21, 2012, 10:15 AM
There was one for sale on our local outdoor trader forum. The owner said he had two of them nib and wanted to sell one. He was asking $350. If I can find the classified ad again I will post a link to it. Seems like a good bug out bag or camping gun.

danez71
March 21, 2012, 10:29 AM
gungenie has 19 of them as of this second. About $325 delivered.

Ive been interested in this to has a pack gun / fun gun.

Ive also been wondering about options for optics for the 22 barrel. Id there a way to mount something easily?


http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Results.aspx?pg=bids&id=96781019848401E

MichigammeDave
April 9, 2013, 11:38 AM
Just ran across this thread in another search. I do own one of these.
The .410/45LC barrel is rifled. There is a screw-in choke tube which straightens out the shot column so it doesn't turn into a toroid downrange - patterns nicely at 15 - 20 yards or so. I've shot everything from BB to #8, and like the response.
I've loaded several different .45 rounds, from 185 grain to 240 grain, over 2400 and 296 powder. I like the 11" barrel length for the slower-burning powder, giving me some extra speed for .45.
The .22 barrel, while not a tack-driver, is minute-of-squirrel at normal woodsy distances.
All in all, I love the package. It lives in my Explorer, with a couple hundred rounds of .22LR and some custom reloads in .45LC and .410. IMHO, an excellent "survival gun."

danez71
April 9, 2013, 10:14 PM
Thanks for the input MichigammeDave.

Do you know if there is a relatively easy way to add any kind of optic to the 22 barrel?

Not that its 100% needed but it's be nice.


I should have bought one when they were availible.

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