Good-bye to the Garden State


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PR-NJ
June 6, 2011, 11:16 PM
In two weeks, I'm moving from New Jersey to Pennsylvania (eight miles away). Although New Jersey's overly restrictive firearms laws are not the primary reason for the move, they certainly factored into the equation.

I'll have to change my handle.

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armoredman
June 6, 2011, 11:20 PM
Welcome back to the Free World.

bushmaster1313
June 6, 2011, 11:25 PM
Prior to McDonald and Heller I seriously thought about buying billboard space on the Route 78 NJ/PA border to read:

Welcome to New Jersey
2nd Amendment Ends Here

Enjoy your freedoms

parsimonious_instead
June 6, 2011, 11:28 PM
Unless my current state's gun laws change dramatically for the better, when I finally move out, to a gun-friendly state, I will write the current governor a letter explaining that they've lost a productive person that produces more tax revenue than they consume in government services (and very likely have lost others like myself and will continue to do so), and that all they had to do to keep me was treat firearm ownership like 40+ other states do.

JoeMal
June 6, 2011, 11:33 PM
I'm about to move from hardcore anti-Illinois to hardcore friendly-Texas! Should be interesting! Good luck to you during your move!

glock36
June 6, 2011, 11:44 PM
Run don't walk and never look back , lol. Hope you enjoy the freedoms of the free world. Congratulations

Good luck
God speed

joeq
June 6, 2011, 11:47 PM
I'm about to move from hardcore anti-Illinois to hardcore friendly-Texas! Should be interesting! Good luck to you during your move!

Come on down. It should be very refreshing compared to Illinois.:)

JellyJar
June 7, 2011, 12:28 AM
Only Eight Miles!!!

Hard to fathom how such a short distance can make such a huge difference in gun laws and freedom!!!

Good&Fruity
June 7, 2011, 12:32 AM
Only Eight Miles!!!

Hard to fathom how such a short distance can make such a huge difference in gun laws and freedom!!!


That's what I was thinking. Some people have to move thousands of miles for such freedom. You only had to move eight miles. Eight miles? I would have moved years ago.

dprice3844444
June 7, 2011, 01:09 AM
left that god awful place in 69,moved to the sunshine state.i think of jersey everytime i clean my 1918a2

Twmaster
June 7, 2011, 01:17 AM
Good on ya to get out of NJ. I left the PRM (People's Republik of Maryland) a year and a half ago for Oklahoma. Oh yea man. Here in OK we have something like a 30 minute waiting rule. That's about how long it takes the clerk to process the paperwork...

heeler
June 7, 2011, 01:21 AM
Weird...When I first read this I was perplexed that you only had to go eight miles away to enter a new twilight zone but then I quickly realized that borders are only invisible lines drawn on a map.
Glad you are in a more free zone.
I swear every time I read a post like this I have to remind myself that the rest of this nation is not at all like the state of Texas I reside in.

Fleetman
June 7, 2011, 08:50 AM
Good for you and congrats/good luck on your move!

Last July I relocated from Texas to Pennsylvania.....I am working in Maryland but decided to live in Pa to avoid the communist firearms laws of Maryland. Sure, it's a 60 mile one-way commute to work but well worth it in my opinion.

People in the "non-friendly" states should think very hard about who they vote for and if choices are limited, should vote with their feet.

I shake my head in amazement that shooters in Maryland cannot purchase 30-round mags for an AR but 20-round mags are ok?? I'm sure there are other Maryland laws just as insane. I hear on the news all the time (pretty much daily) about shootings in Baltimore and wonder how many of these could have been avoided if citizens were allowed to legally defend themselves by lethal force. Not much stops a crack-crazed criminal better than a hunk of well-placed lead. The politicians of these states better wake up and smell the gunpowder!

lizziedog1
June 7, 2011, 08:59 AM
A few years ago I moved from the Golden State to the Silver State. It wasn't because of gun laws, it was for a job. But, the firearm laws are a bonus.

In California you have to wait ten days when you buy a gun. In Nevada the transaction takes less time then renewing your license at DMV.

I remember when I purchased my first gun here. I filled out the form, the clerk made a phone call, I gave him the money, he then handed me the gun and I walked out with it. I felt more like an American then I had in years.

Mousegun
June 7, 2011, 09:06 AM
People in the "non-friendly" states should think very hard about who they vote for and if choices are limited, should vote with their feet.

Most of them just don't understand or care. The mindset has been ingrained many years in the past and will stay that way well into the future.

Even in gun friendly states, those that are blind still will never see.

swinokur
June 7, 2011, 02:42 PM
"Free at last. Free at last. Thank God almighty we're free at last."

Standing Wolf
June 7, 2011, 03:00 PM
You're going to love life in America.

General Geoff
June 7, 2011, 05:23 PM
Weird...When I first read this I was perplexed that you only had to go eight miles away to enter a new twilight zone but then I quickly realized that borders are only invisible lines drawn on a map.
In this particular case, it's actually the Delaware River which defines the state line. Makes crossing the state line accidentally much more difficult :)

geekWithA.45
June 7, 2011, 05:56 PM
PR-NJ! Excellent! Yay you!

I did pretty much the same thing going on about 7, 8 years ago. I never regretted it or looked back for an instant.

The 15 minute drive across the Commodore Barry to FreedomHaus makes an unbelievable difference that people who've never had to remove themselves from corrosive environments can never understand.

In this particular case, it's actually the Delaware River which defines the state line. Makes crossing the state line accidentally much more difficult

Unless you're going north on 5th(?) street in Philly, in which case you can find yourself halfway across the Ben Franklin bridge, furiously performing a mental inventory of your person and car.

12131
June 7, 2011, 07:14 PM
Welcome to America!:evil:

The Lone Haranguer
June 7, 2011, 07:25 PM
I assume you will not be moving to Philadelphia. :uhoh: The rest of the state is pretty nice, I hear. :D

zoom6zoom
June 7, 2011, 09:18 PM
I shake my head in amazement that shooters in Maryland cannot purchase 30-round mags for an AR but 20-round mags are ok??
It's even nuttier. They can own them, but can't purchase, sell, or transfer them within the state. So they can come over to VA, buy all they want and take them home.

montanaoffroader
June 7, 2011, 09:48 PM
Welcome to the free world............;)

PR-NJ
June 7, 2011, 10:12 PM
I will miss not having to pump my own gas. (The lawmakers in Trenton think the citizens are too stupid to work a gas pump.) Then again, as noted above, it's just short drive across the Delaware River. Gas up and high-tail it home!

snatale42
June 7, 2011, 10:15 PM
In two weeks, I'm moving from New Jersey to Pennsylvania (eight miles away). Although New Jersey's overly restrictive firearms laws are not the primary reason for the move, they certainly factored into the equation.

I'll have to change my handle.

Congrats, as a former resident of the PRMA I can tell you the sun will start shining more the sky will be bluer once you leave the grip of a commie state

Leathermarshmallow
June 8, 2011, 11:39 AM
My son's company wants him to move from Utah to New Jersey to take a new position. I told him he needs to think it over VERY HARD because he will be missing alot of things. He has several guns that he will have to get rid of, or bring them to me, he will have higher cost of living, not so much freedom on his motorcycle because of the traffic in NJ. I cannot see an upside to living there.

As a side note, I once moved to Maryland for a short period of time. I was never so happy to get the heck out of there and get back to my beloved homeland!

swinokur
June 8, 2011, 12:01 PM
Could he live in PA and commute?

UT to NJ? OMG

CoRoMo
June 8, 2011, 12:08 PM
Posted by various members:
...I'm moving from New Jersey to Pennsylvania...
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I'm about to move from hardcore anti-Illinois to hardcore friendly-Texas!
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...I moved from the Golden State to the Silver State.
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...I left ... Maryland) a year and a half ago for Oklahoma.
Just a slight favor to ask though, if I may. Do all that you can, NOT to change your new state home. Please. If the new state of residence doesn't operate the way your former state does, leave it alone, get used to it, find out why and how it works for the people who decided to run it that way. Please.

My state is evolving from a very free state in regards to firearms liberty, to more and more restrictive gun laws. Bit by little bit, election cycle by ballot measure. This is because we have a tidal wave of people moving here from states like the ones mentioned, but when the new residents get here, they continue to vote they way they always have. It must be because they don't really like the way things are done, and have always been done here. So they've been hard at work trying to correct this backwoods, old fashioned state by making it look a little more like the state they fled.

And that's exactly what's happening here. We're losing freedom here, one nibble at a time.

RKBABob
June 8, 2011, 12:10 PM
Good-bye to the Garden State

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In two weeks, I'm moving from New Jersey to Pennsylvania (eight miles away). Although New Jersey's overly restrictive firearms laws are not the primary reason for the move, they certainly factored into the equation.

I'll have to change my handle.

Congratulations, and welcome to the United States!

Just a few words of advice to help you get along with the natives:

1. Leave your politics back home at the People's Republik - It irks us when people move from New Jersey to Pennsylvania, only to try to vote for the same baloney that they left behind in Jersey.

2. Learn how to drive! Unlike in New Jersey, it is not considered proper form to change lanes 8 times just to pass one car, or to pass a car just prior to slamming on your brakes to make a turn.

Just kidding! Welcome to Pennsylvania!

22-rimfire
June 8, 2011, 12:47 PM
I would certainly choose PA over NJ for more than gun laws. I suspect you still will be in the midst of the higher populated portion of the area.

Added: I once was looking hard at a move to NJ and when I started checking cost of living differences, I declined. I just was not worth it even at higher pay.

Pilot
June 8, 2011, 12:54 PM
PA is surrounded by gun ownership HELL. It is one of the few mid-atlantic/northeast states to still have decent gun laws. It is good you are getting out of that socialist hell hole.

Harley Quinn
June 8, 2011, 01:04 PM
Would a PO Box, have done the same thing:evil::uhoh: Just kidding:D

BIGGBAY90
June 8, 2011, 08:35 PM
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat

Sheepdog1968
June 8, 2011, 08:38 PM
I live in CA which isn't firearm friendly. The only good thing this does is save me from myself. There are a lot of things I would like (but do not in any way need) to buy but they are illegal in CA. Thus, I save myself money (and the state looses a nearly 10% sales tax).

lizziedog1
June 9, 2011, 08:09 AM
1. Leave your politics back home at the People's Republik - It irks us when people move from New Jersey to Pennsylvania, only to try to vote for the same baloney that they left behind in Jersey.



We have the same thing happening in Nevada. People from our western neighbor move here and then try to replicate California laws. One question. Why???:cuss:

bob40caliber
June 9, 2011, 09:31 AM
PR-NJ Congrats on your move.
I left NJ in '05 and now enjoy the carry laws and easier
purchasing laws of New Hampshire.
In NJ unless you are retired LE it is virtually impossible to get a carry permit.
Here in NH....open carry is legal and CC is easily obtained.
What a difference it is, to be free.
Enjoy PA and never look back!

harmon rabb
June 9, 2011, 10:01 AM
Welcome back to America :yup:

InkEd
June 9, 2011, 11:53 AM
Yes be sure to vote properly.

youngda9
June 9, 2011, 12:07 PM
I remember when I purchased my first gun here. I filled out the form, the clerk made a phone call, I gave him the money, he then handed me the gun and I walked out with it. I felt more like an American then I had in years.
More American...is a relative term. You still had your 2A rights infringed. But certainly a better situation indeed.

crracer_712
June 9, 2011, 12:13 PM
I guess living in Kansas does have its advantages. No one wants to move here, and the gun laws seem to becoming MORE friendly.

HGUNHNTR
June 9, 2011, 12:16 PM
The best $2 I ever spent was on a toll across the Deleware. While NJ has it's great points, I always felt like someone was watching over my shoulder.

Screendmon
June 9, 2011, 01:15 PM
Welcome to PA!

T.R.
June 9, 2011, 07:27 PM
Welcome to the Keystone State. But please put your finger away when another driver offends you. This ain't Jersey.

TR

Murphy4570
June 9, 2011, 11:34 PM
The best $2 I ever spent was on a toll across the Deleware. While NJ has it's great points, I always felt like someone was watching over my shoulder.

I can see it has been a very long time since you have left NJ. The bridge toll is now $4, soon to be $5.

It is free to enter NJ, but you have to pay to leave!

Gord
June 9, 2011, 11:53 PM
We have the same thing happening in Nevada. People from our western neighbor move here and then try to replicate California laws.

Same's going on in Utah, in areas with a lot of CA expats (like St. George) and, I hear, Colorado. California needs to declare itself a carcinogen... :rolleyes:

lizziedog1
June 10, 2011, 07:53 AM
Same's going on in Utah, in areas with a lot of CA expats (like St. George) and, I hear, Colorado. California needs to declare itself a carcinogen...


Great reply!!!

I live in a very rural area, agriculture is our number one industry. Combines and tractors rolling down the highway are common here. We even get the occasional air show with crop dusters.

Some Golden Staters that have moved into this area are complaining about the dust, smells, and noises associated with farming.

Right after I moved here, I was in the desert shooting my 22 rifle into a bank of dirt. This older guy walks up to me and asks if I am concerned about putting lead into the environment? I asked him if he knew where lead came from?

He then proceeded to tell me how his wife gets upset with folks that are shooting up the jackrabbits around here. I was on BLM land at the time.

Guess where he was from? I'll give you a hint...California!

parsimonious_instead
June 10, 2011, 08:29 AM
"Gun Friendly" is right up there with "pleasant winters" as for criteria for my next state of residence, but isn't there also something to be said for staying behind to "fight the good fight" in one's current place of residence?
It could be argued that those with the drive and initiative to seek a better life elsewhere could apply it to activism where they are and agitate for change.
I'm not chiding anyone here, just raising a point...

parsimonious_instead
June 10, 2011, 10:38 AM
I will miss not having to pump my own gas. (The lawmakers in Trenton think the citizens are too stupid to work a gas pump.) Then again, as noted above, it's just short drive across the Delaware River. Gas up and high-tail it home!

Not sure the attendants fare any better - one of them improperly inserted a pump nozzle into the fuel intake of the car ahead of me, resulting in a HUGE puddle of spilled gas, on a scorching hot day at the Vince Lombardi Service Station. If I had been on foot with a football, I would have run outta therefast enough to make ol' Vince proud of me. As I was in a vehicle, I simply backed up a foot or two to give myself enough maneuvering room (earning me a vicious honking from the driver behind me), and got the heck out of there...

Leathermarshmallow
June 10, 2011, 11:40 AM
Quote:
1. Leave your politics back home at the People's Republik - It irks us when people move from New Jersey to Pennsylvania, only to try to vote for the same baloney that they left behind in Jersey.
We have the same thing happening in Nevada. People from our western neighbor move here and then try to replicate California laws. One question. Why???

Thank goodness I live in the best kept secret in the USA....West Virginia. Gun friendly, rural and lots of people don't want to come here to live....suits us just fine!

statelineblues
June 10, 2011, 12:35 PM
You can guess by my tag I'm happy to be in Pennsylvania where "America Starts Here" (billboards erected several years ago along the NJ/PA border by then govenor Tom Ridge!). Much better here.

CT used to be a really good firearms state, but in the early '90s it started to follow states like NJ, MA and CA by enacting an AWB (ironically putting several guns that were manufactured in the state on the "banned" list), and making it tougher on local gun stores and owners.

rscalzo
June 10, 2011, 12:58 PM
The lawmakers in Trenton think the citizens are too stupid to work a gas pump.)



It was the Gas Station Retailers Assoc. that fought the changes. A recent survey found the vast majority of residents did not want self service instituted.

WHEN THE SUBJECT WAS BROUGHT UP A FEW YEARS BACK....

In the days following Corzine's suggestion, his office was flooded with 1,400 e-mails and phone calls -- the biggest and fastest response to an issue the governor has received since taking office in January. Nearly all were in opposition.

Sensing a political disaster, Corzine backed off less than a week after he floated the idea of testing self-service along the New Jersey Turnpike. New Jersey, together with Oregon, will remain the last two full-service states in the country.

Harley Quinn
June 10, 2011, 02:16 PM
Getting fuel at a service station, read service station as in...Service was always nice, and in some states mandatory...

Those who want to pump own gas might be offended, like states where civilization has happened with no smoking in places where others have to breath second hand smoke...Some will never understand :confused:

It seems to be a situation of, my right to do it if I want, even though the majority has voted on it (democracy) and one needs to follow the law:what:

Going back to rights and 2nd A...Confusing for many:D

joehorner
June 10, 2011, 08:10 PM
Congrats on your move to PA. Lived in MD all my life. Now retired and have moved to Western North Carolina. Been here over a year now and have never looked back. Miss my close friends but they know where I live. NC is a shall issue state as opposed to MD "may issue". Yea right :banghead:. I have my CCW permit:). Some will say that NC has strick restrictions but it is worlds apart from states like MD,NJ,NY,MA. Good luck on your move.....................Joe

kelo4u2
June 10, 2011, 09:20 PM
I lived in Pa and moved to Jersey in 82 when I was young and stupid. Now that I am a little older and wiser I am finally moving out. Waiting for my wife to finish school and will be moving to New Mexico at the end of the year. PR-NJ writes that he is moving 8 miles away, well being in this god awful state for 30 years 8 miles is not be enough for me. When I move I wont even want to look at Jersey on a map. Good luck to you but at 8 miles away I'm affraid that being that close you will get sucked back to hell.

PR-NJ
June 10, 2011, 11:17 PM
My son's company wants him to move from Utah to New Jersey to take a new position. I told him he needs to think it over VERY HARD because he will be missing alot of things. He has several guns that he will have to get rid of, or bring them to me, he will have higher cost of living, not so much freedom on his motorcycle because of the traffic in NJ. I cannot see an upside to living there.

As a side note, I once moved to Maryland for a short period of time. I was never so happy to get the heck out of there and get back to my beloved homeland!
Your son could live in PA and work in NJ. A lot of folks do. Heck, my office is in NYC and I will be passing through NJ every day to and from work.

PR-NJ
June 10, 2011, 11:20 PM
Congratulations, and welcome to the United States!

Just a few words of advice to help you get along with the natives:

1. Leave your politics back home at the People's Republik - It irks us when people move from New Jersey to Pennsylvania, only to try to vote for the same baloney that they left behind in Jersey.

2. Learn how to drive! Unlike in New Jersey, it is not considered proper form to change lanes 8 times just to pass one car, or to pass a car just prior to slamming on your brakes to make a turn.

Just kidding! Welcome to Pennsylvania!
Another reason I'm moving to PA - my political views are more in line with those of the good citizens of PA (Philadelphia and Pittsburgh excepted). I'll have to work on the driving, though.

Apocalypse-Now
June 10, 2011, 11:41 PM
aren't hollowpoints illegal in jersey (along with most everything else lol)?

JTHunter
June 11, 2011, 01:04 AM
joeq said:Come on down. It should be very refreshing compared to Illinois.

Except for the summer heat and drought, cockroaches big enough to saddle and ride, and too many "undocumented residents".

parsimonious_instead
June 11, 2011, 09:47 AM
aren't hollowpoints illegal in jersey (along with most everything else lol)?

As I understand it, you're not supposed to have them loaded in a firearm.
Simple possession is not a crime, it appears to be an "enhancer" - in other words, if someone knocks over a convenience store with a revolver full of hollow points, it's automatic time added to a sentence for the actual criminal incident.

swinokur
June 11, 2011, 10:02 AM
HP legal in your home in Joisey

drivadesl
June 11, 2011, 10:19 AM
Congrats on getting out. I went from NYS to NJ and lived there for 5 years. Hated it the whole time. Not that it wasn't tolerable and I had a good job, but the politics and aweful gun laws made me realize it wasn't for me. So I moved back to NYS. OK not the must gun friendly state, but so much more friendly than NJ. Now I work maybe 10 miles from PA, and it is tempting.....

geim druth
June 12, 2011, 11:44 PM
Congratulations on the move, enjoy your new home.

Your decision to leave the state made me remember to make a donation to the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs litigation fund.

I encourage all members of THR to donate to the ANJRPC, or just send them a message of encouragement. There are still many of us here, fighting the good fight, and always happy to get some support from our fellows in other states.

geekWithA.45
June 13, 2011, 12:31 AM
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It's just not worth it.

elcaminoariba
June 14, 2011, 08:07 AM
OP: congrats. NJ is unfixable imo.

People telling others to "leave their politics in the state they left" are SSOOOOO out of line. wow. First, pro gunners leaving a socialist hell hole deserve a presumption that they desire to vote for liberty, instead of a condescending lecture to leave their politics in the state they left. After ALL, they are taking physical action to restore their 2nd amendment rights. Yes, I also see california residents coming to my state and bringing their socialistic, entitlement mentality, yuppie, politically correct, illegal aliens are victims, worship the earth, homosexuality is wonderful, worship animals, worship the "environment," government funded "art," global warming sky is falling, government employees should have massive unions and jobs for life crap, but I would never give out a blanket statement to people leaving an anti gun state for a freer one, that they should leave their politics there. I'm going to assume that if they treasure the 2nd amendment enough to leave a hell hole for a freer state, that there's more GOOD in their brain than bad.

Second, once someone becomes a legal citizen of a state, they can have whatever politics they want. Pardon my bluntness, but I don't like political intimidation tactics because I have endured a lot of political persecution because I'm not a government worshiper, which many members of the usually pro gun party have become. Saying "welcome to our state but you have no right to be politically active unless you agree with me" is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy and just as bad as the attitude of anti gun politicians. I think the most imperative thing pro gunners need to do, in order to save the 2nd amendment is end the "drug war" asap, but saying this can invite a firestorm of persecution. I've had to deal with a lot of attacks from people who SHOULD have been my friends and fellow supporters of liberty, just because they had an attitude of "leave your politics wherever because it's different from what the media spoon feeds me."

I run into a lot of people who try one method or another to shut down debate, and shut off alternate points of view (calling everything they disagree with "extreme" is a classic), so saying "leave your politics in NJ" before you know something about someone's politics, is really out of line.

Sam1911
June 14, 2011, 08:37 AM
'Nuff politicin'.

Good luck on your move!

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