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pikid89
June 7, 2011, 01:07 AM
shot my first appleseed in gainesville this past weekend

It was awesome

Im sure like many others, I showed up on day one thinking that this cant be that hard...let me tell you...that first Redcoat target put me in my place

by the end of day one after a lot of practice a managed to eek out a 140 somethin out of the AQT...not so great

I was quite stiff and sore from being all wrapped up in that sling and exhausted from the 100+ temp but i rolled out of bed sunday morning and showed back up

More AQTs then some more AQTs...just after lunch i pulled off a 200 on the AQT after switching ammo from bulk federal to federal auto match, as it was far more reliable in my dirty gun.

Unfortunately that turned out to be my best score of the day and no I did not manage to make Rifleman as much as I wanted to.

Only 2 people shot Rifleman with a score of 210 or higher, one of them was 13 or 14...i was quite impressed

In the end i realized that I was no where near as good a shot as I thought I was, and I also realize I have a long way to go to be as good a shot as I want to be.

No matter how good a shot you think you are, try an Appleseed and I guarantee you will learn a thing or four

(ps now I can get a Garand from the CMP :D)

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henschman
June 7, 2011, 01:40 AM
I'm glad you had a good time and learned something. Hope you come to another one soon, and consider taking that orange hat after you've patched out.

mr.trooper
June 7, 2011, 02:03 AM
Congrats on the new education.

When I was at Appleseed, I only had two opportunities to shoot the AQT over two days, due to our huge section sizes. Day 1 I shot a 180, and day two I shot a 200.

What really got my goat, is that I ran out of time on the second sitting target, so my final score of 200 was with two shots missing. If I had only been a bit faster...

Oh well, maybe I can try again some day.

Pulling two 8 hour days, cold and windy in late November, with your wife next to you about to show you up, sure does wonders for a mans concentration. :p That is a lesson that I take with me every time I hit the range, sight in a new rifle, or take aim at game in the field. It was time, money, and energy well spent.

jmstevens2
June 7, 2011, 10:26 AM
I'm glad you had a good time and learned something. Hope you come to another one soon, and consider taking that orange hat after you've patched out.
Ahh, now I know why the NRA switched RSOs to a yellow hat. Less confusion, shows how much Appleseed is growing.

happygeek
June 8, 2011, 12:46 AM
If you plan on going back or just want to practice, you can download printable AQTs here: http://pdfcast.org/pdf/aqt-targets (linked to from http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377317&highlight=appleseed+target, they have an Appleseed forum over there with lots of good info).

Appleseed is a great experience. I've only been to one but hope to get to another one at some point.

pikid89
June 8, 2011, 04:54 PM
im doing another in october, got my riflemans opportunity card from the RWVA, and i got a pile of Fred's AQT targets from the shootboss after the shoot

mac66
June 8, 2011, 05:04 PM
When you think about it, shooting rifleman is not too easy. First you have to know your equipment, sights, trigger, mags, ammo, sling etc. Then you have to learn how to shoot, trigger control, breathing, sight picture, sling etc. Then you have to learn the course of fire. Then you have to put it all together while being timed.

My first two AQTs I screwed up badly, didn't even finish them. I did eventually shoot rifleman but it is not easy.

Congratulations on your Appleseed experience. It is a great program and really is something everyone should do.

Mals9
June 8, 2011, 10:12 PM
I was humbled on the Saturday of my fist Appleseed. Best i could do was a 204. I left one or 2 round in the mag each AQT due to failures to eject. Cleaned the gun Saturday night and finally gort the patch with a 214 Sunday afternoon. It was a great experience.

Mals

pikid89
June 9, 2011, 07:12 PM
^ I had similar problems with federal bulk...they kept stove piping at the most inopprortune moments like on the 2nd and 3rd stages when you have like 45 seconds to transititon find your NPOA AND get off 10 rounds...id get all settled in and it would jam up....:banghead:

I got some federal auto match from one of the orange hats and it never jammed once...it felt quite a bit hotter than the federal bulk, and luckily it had the same POI as the bulk ammo...not that it helped my score lol

jbkebert
June 14, 2011, 12:03 AM
Really thinking about signing up for a shoot this summer or early fall. My two boys would be ready and willing to go along with old dad and show him up.

henschman
June 15, 2011, 11:28 AM
Yeah, it is definitely a good idea to make sure your rifle likes whatever type of ammo you bring before coming to an Appleseed. You have enough to deal with trying to shoot a Rifleman's score already, and numerous FTFs/FTEs don't help any. As a Shoot Boss, I always bring a brick of several different types of ammo so I can swap out with a shooter if he is having trouble. I find if a rifle doesn't like Federal bulk, it will like Remington Golden Bullets, and vice versa, so those two cover most rifles. I have some Aguilla standard velocity for the really picky rifles.

Remember, the journey isn't over once you've shot Expert on the 25m AQT with a .22. Once you are at that skill level, the best thing you can do for your own personal development is to teach it to others. And of course you can always try shooting Expert with a center fire, and then going to an event with full distance capabilities and doing it on the Full Distance AQT, or better yet, going to a week-long Rifleman's Boot Camp.

We allow .22s and use a 25m target so we can get a lot more training done in a day and attract larger crowds. But remember, the idea is to have the skills to hit a man-sized target out to 500 yards with a center fire rifle.

chrome_austex
June 15, 2011, 11:55 AM
If you like Appleseed, but don't feel challenged by making Rifleman, try a Highpower competition or two sometime. They're nearly the same course of fire.

I'm on my second stack of AQT targets, which I frequently use for general target practice. Shooting the smallest (400y) silhouettes on an AQT designed for 25y at 100y is a worthy challenge.

Virg461
June 15, 2011, 08:58 PM
Congrats on taking the Appleseed challenge! It was indeed a humbling experience for me, and like a lot of the people there, I had grown up with a rifle in my hands. Problem was, no one had taken the time to teach me the proper mechanics of precision shooting. My father is a great shot, but he didn't know how to teach me.

I've shot Rifleman twice, once with a semi and once with a bolt. The bolt makes it even more fun! Took my 11 year old son this year and he had a blast, learned a lot, and is becoming a much, much better shooter than I ever was at his age. If he keeps it up, he'll be something in a few years. I plan next to take our middle son, and the youngest too when he's old enough.

Hope you thanked the instructors for volunteering their time for what is a fantastic program!

Keep it up, and go back again. Practice what you've learned in the meantime, and you'll surprise yourself the second time around.

henschman
June 16, 2011, 05:15 PM
If you like Appleseed, but don't feel challenged by making Rifleman, try a Highpower competition or two sometime. They're nearly the same course of fire.

I'm on my second stack of AQT targets, which I frequently use for general target practice. Shooting the smallest (400y) silhouettes on an AQT designed for 25y at 100y is a worthy challenge.

True, high power and CMP service rifle are good competitive events to get into if you like positional, sling-supported shooting. Lots of Appleseed instructors are involved in these.

Yeah, you can do all kinds of things for an extra challenge once you can consistently score Expert on the AQT... shoot the standard targets at longer ranges... shoot the full size silhouettes at distances past 500 yards... or you can try doing all the prone from seated or kneeling, or for a real challenge you can shoot the whole AQT from standing.

All this stuff is fun, and it is good to be a good shot, but bear in mind, what are you doing to help make this a freer country? A Rifleman should be concerned about more than just being a good shot... he should also be interested in passing the heritage on to as many other people as he can. And I find that making more Rifleman is more satisfying that proving that I am a great shooter.

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