AK-47 question: Grease or Oil?


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briansmithwins
June 7, 2011, 08:11 PM
Having a discussion with some guys. They are claiming the Sov specified grease for the AK-47. The only detailed armorer's manual I've seen calls only for oil.

Manual I have is here:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B09fZpC9S7gDMmYyMGI2Y2MtMzQ3MC00MDU3LTk0Y2ItYjBlZTNiNDc5NWE0&hl=en_US&authkey=CLT79qIH

My question is does anyone have a manual that calls for grease on the AK? The closest I've found is the Sig 550 manual, but we all know how the Swiss love their black automatfett.

Thanks.

BSW

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68wj
June 7, 2011, 08:15 PM
I thought they ran best with a heavy application of sand and oppression. :evil:

No, I don't have the manual, but would like to know too what Mother Russia felt was best.

animator
June 7, 2011, 08:39 PM
I thought they ran best with a heavy application of sand and oppression. :evil:

No, I don't have the manual, but would like to know too what Mother Russia felt was best.



Top it off with a little rust, and you've got a golden combination.




None of mine have ever complained with the motor oil treatment they get. They just tend to be a bit... smokey... the first few rounds through them :)

LKB3rd
June 7, 2011, 09:32 PM
Well I got beat to the joke answers, but I was gonna say "spit". :P

Zerodefect
June 7, 2011, 09:38 PM
Not a clue.......


Mix them both together and slop it on with a brush.
"In Soviet Russia, Rifle lubes you!"

-v-
June 7, 2011, 10:37 PM
Grease or Oil? Answer: Yes.

Gordon_Freeman
June 7, 2011, 10:44 PM
Either way they are still reliable. I would guess that they would run well without any grease or oil at all.

animator
June 7, 2011, 11:21 PM
Either way they are still reliable. I would guess that they would run well without any grease or oil at all.
I can safely say that a certain chinese AK-47, that has had well over 10k rounds through it in full-auto, has had little more than an occasional wipedown, and still runs fine.


It's been run to the point of setting the handguards on fire, doused with water, then run again with never so much as a hiccup.


The bolt's a bit stiff to open when warmed up, but it has yet to fail to function in the thousands of rounds I've seen through it...

nathan
June 8, 2011, 12:07 AM
After cleaning, i spray some lithium whtie grease , the one in spray can from walmart cheap stuff. It lubricates the slide and bolt carrier . Runs like top .

Buck Kramer
June 10, 2011, 06:00 PM
In an AK, you could use veggie oil and it'd run just fine. I use Rem oil, 3000 rounds through 3 rifles without failure.

JustinJ
June 10, 2011, 06:06 PM
My best friend is from Russia. I doubt he remembers but i'll ask anyways. Saiga manual recomends a light coat of oil so i'd imagine that is what mother Russia says.

Al Thompson
June 10, 2011, 06:14 PM
Considering the cold temps in the former USSR, I suspect oil over grease.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
June 10, 2011, 06:19 PM
I would say, in real hot weather, some grease, sparingly and oil in other places. If during cold months, just oil, in my opinion.

zoom6zoom
June 10, 2011, 08:46 PM
I have what you could loosely term "a few" AK's. Some have been carefully lubricated with grease, others just randomly hosed down inside with RemOil or the like.

They all work just fine. Use what ya got. The main thing I have found is that especially when new they like to be wet.

SN13
June 10, 2011, 09:29 PM
I think grease holds dirt/grit more than oil. I'd go with oil... but i don't clean any of my AK's unless I shoot corrosive ammo.

1stmarine
June 10, 2011, 10:16 PM
A little tini bit of a light machine oil. Nothing in the piston.
Remember the AKs like to run dry and dirty unlike the ARs that like wet and clean.

briansmithwins
June 10, 2011, 10:21 PM
A little tini bit of a light machine oil. Nothing in the piston.
Remember the AKs like to run dry and dirty unlike the ARs that like wet and clean.

I'd have to disagree with you. The manual I have calls for light lubrication genrally. In desert conditions it calls for more oil, not less.

Cleaning and lubricating instructions are on page 70-76 of the PDF.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B09fZpC9S7gDMmYyMGI2Y2MtMzQ3MC00MDU3LTk0Y2ItYjBlZTNiNDc5NWE0&hl=en_US&authkey=CLT79qIH

BSW

1stmarine
June 10, 2011, 10:31 PM
In desert conditions reality calls for no oil at all or just rub and clean real well. Also excess oil with the cold at night makes it real bad. Sticks like hell.
Is this for anyone going to the Bad lands, Sahara or Afganistan?
Dry and dirty, the best.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/ak47nut/AK%20photos/247.jpg

briansmithwins
June 10, 2011, 10:35 PM
Apparently the Sov didn't agree with you.

Sorry 1stmarine.

BSW

68wj
June 10, 2011, 10:44 PM
I love that shovel handle stock! :D

1stmarine
June 10, 2011, 11:19 PM
Sorry for what mang? I have one with 11K rounds w/o a single malfunction. Hard to believe. that is the way it is.

68wj. Sorry I was short with you the other day. I had a bad day. I will post the 6.8 project when I have time, probably after the summer (kids, vacations, stuff).

Sky
June 10, 2011, 11:37 PM
http://www.grantcunningham.com/lubricants101.html

Grant had some good info on lubes

Also:http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=545607 for actual test with some lubes

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