Is it wrong to buy a commemorative model gun...


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Finedges
June 8, 2011, 12:34 AM
And plan to shoot it??
I saw a mint 1968 model Colt 1911 WWI commemorative and couldn't help myself! It didn't have the box and the gun is beautiful, typical Colt blueing. I have every plan to shoot this gun, wouldn't have it any other way. As a side note, '68 has got to be a good year for a Colt 1911 huh? Anyway, am I wrong, or is there just every reason to enjoy and shoot the fine weapon?!?!
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Carne Frio
June 8, 2011, 01:01 AM
How can it be wrong to buy and shoot a gun that you want ?

FROGO207
June 8, 2011, 01:11 AM
I have no safe queens in any of my safes. If I own it it will be shot.:D

Jim Watson
June 8, 2011, 01:12 AM
A commemorative without an unfired affidavit, inner box, outer box, papers, and a sucker to buy it is just a gun. Many of them have been sold for less than a standard gun of the same vintage. Enjoy.

Finedges
June 8, 2011, 01:23 AM
Glad to see others agree! The price was as good or better than a new Colt, and I can't help but think that in '68 the production was as good or better than it is now. It's not the first time, as I have a Ruger MK II NRA edition I've shot the snot out of.

FatPants
June 8, 2011, 01:36 AM
Took my first buck with a Wells Fargo commemorative Winchester '94 .30-30. Love that rifle.

il_10
June 8, 2011, 03:39 AM
Enjoy your new colt. I bought a '70's commemorative, for a song, that I've been customizing into the shooter I want it to be. I mention it in the thread, but the commemoratives aren't typically worth more than the standard model, except on auction sites.

http://www.thehighroad.org//showthread.php?t=593236

bcp280z
June 8, 2011, 04:43 AM
I personally think that instead, it's wrong to have a car and not drive it for it's intended purpose, likewise, buy a gun and not shoot it, at least once.

kozak6
June 8, 2011, 05:05 AM
Do commemorative firearms actually have any additional collector's value?

If it doesn't, I say go for it. I know I can't afford to own a gun I'll never be able to shoot.

GRIZ22
June 8, 2011, 05:40 PM
Do commemorative firearms actually have any additional collector's value?


Some do and some don't. The quantity made has little to do with it. I bought a commemorative S&W Model 19 in 1980 (had to pay for it in advance). It cost $360 then. I saw one for sale a few years ago by a dealer specializing in S&W commemeroratives and he was asking only $500 which was about the as a regular NIB Model 19 at the time.

gunsablazin
June 8, 2011, 05:50 PM
My pop bought a 1 of 50 factory engraved Ruger Vaquero in .45 LC new from Cabelas for $1,600 ! He won't shoot it, the cylinder has never even been turned, now he wants to sell it and can't get $1,200 for it. Useless with a capitol U. If It was mine I'd just shoot it and enjoy it. It's on Gunbroker now if any of you sucke.......Ah, firearms enthusiasts wants it........... :D

Dreamcast270mhz
June 8, 2011, 06:33 PM
My dad wont shoot the John Wayne in 32-40 he has. I feel he should fire it at least once....

tangomike706
June 8, 2011, 07:24 PM
I wont buy a firearm, that I wont shoot . I don't own safe queens. everything in my collection gets regular visits to the range.

BIGGBAY90
June 8, 2011, 07:43 PM
Have fun--buy it, look at it, shoot it, clean it, look at it, etc

whalerman
June 8, 2011, 07:51 PM
I'm glad you guys are talking about this. I've always wanted a commemorative Winchester 94. And I've always wanted it to shoot, not store. I'd love to have a John Wayne model. I looked for a decade, found one, bought it, then gave it to a girlfriend who loved JW. Now I'm looking for another '94 and another girlfriend. Funny thing is, she deserved it. Great girl.

youngda9
June 8, 2011, 07:53 PM
NOthing wrong with using an item...it is what it is, to you.

Old Fuff
June 8, 2011, 08:16 PM
It depends.

Unlike the real thing, "manufactured to be collectables" seldom go up in value very much, because serious collectors (who often have very deep pockets) don't have much interest in them. On the other hand, certain regular production guns that collectors are interested in can bring far more dollars then an ordinary shooter would be willing to pay.

The Old Fuff is selective, and never degrades a true collectable by shooting it. In his view there is nothing wrong with making $$$$$$. On the other hand anything that isn't collectable is fair game. I enjoy the "I shoot everything (without exception) I get," guys because some of them help me keep making... $$$.

In case you don't know it, more $$$$$$$ helps buy more toys. ;) :)

Sheepdog1968
June 8, 2011, 08:20 PM
Do commemorative firearms actually have any additional collector's value?


Some do and some don't. The quantity made has little to do with it. I bought a commemorative S&W Model 19 in 1980 (had to pay for it in advance). It cost $360 then. I saw one for sale a few years ago by a dealer specializing in S&W commemeroratives and he was asking only $500 which was about the as a regular NIB Model 19 at the time.
+1

In fact, I would go so far as to say more commerative, collector runs don't add any significant value. What makes something collectable (thing goes beyond firearms) is rarity and it being available in good to great shape.

One case in point are Hummels (porcline figurines you mom/grandma may have collected). There was an air of collectability around them. About 10 years ago I remember talking to someone at an antique store about them. This person said that once eBay came on the scene, the Hummel figurine values dropped literally in half due to the inventory of them.

For firearms, go look online at Cabela's firearms library. A good example are the Winchester 94 lever actions as there are many commeratives out there. Most have no signifcant premium.

Ala Dan
June 8, 2011, 08:27 PM
I had a Winchester model 94 "Buffalo Bill" commerative year's ago that I
did shoot. Eventually, made a trade with my brother in-law for a regular old 94;
and glad I did. However, I do own a few guns that are not "commerative's";
but, I don't shoot for one reason or the other~! One of these is a relative
new Smith & Wesson 442 in .38 Special. The reason I don't shoot this gun
is because the S/N begins with my name "DAN 9xxx~! I like to tell folks that
S&W made that gun especially for me (Laughing Out Loud)~! :D :D :D

SharpsDressedMan
June 8, 2011, 10:57 PM
I had an opportunity to buy an Uberti Patton Commemorative .45 Colt Single action for less than I could buy a plain one and have it engraved half as much. There are plenty for the collectors, so I made it my BBQ gun by getting rid of the chincy plastic grips, and having it fitted with Tru Ivory one piece grips with my intitials on. I could not have ordered a custom gun to be nicer than this. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05507.jpg

effengee
June 8, 2011, 11:09 PM
There's a gunshop in Bennington, VT. that has one of these. Vietnam war commemorative from Norinco IIRC... It's sealed in a glass and wood case and has gold accents and a $1500 price tag. I don't think I'd shoot it. It's way too pretty:D
But I don't think I'll ever afford it...
Then again, if the gun is mine, I'm shooting it whenever I can:evil:

AZ
June 9, 2011, 12:47 AM
I guess it just depends why you buys firearms (or at least that pistol in particular). I know guys who buy guns, both valuable and cheap, as collectors items they never intend to shoot. Just ask yourself if you'd get more value from it as a firearm or an item.

duns
June 9, 2011, 01:46 AM
Forgetting investment issues, I can see that sometimes one might get more pleasure from keeping a gun pristine than from firing it and putting wear on it -- for example, if the gun is particularly beautiful, perhaps more a work of art than a tool, in the eye of the owner.

Cryogaijin
June 9, 2011, 02:27 AM
It was a commemorative Remington 700 in 30-06 that got me back into shooting in early 2006.

CraigC
June 9, 2011, 02:37 AM
Of course not! Lots of cool commemoratives available in fancy finishes, uncommon variations and uncommon chamberings that might tickle your fancy. Shoot the snot out of `em.

Finedges
June 9, 2011, 02:48 AM
It was a commemorative Remington 700 in 30-06 that got me back into shooting in early 2006.
This reply speaks. Thank you!!

JerryM
June 9, 2011, 11:21 AM
My own limited experience indicates that they never really increase much in value. A least the ones I have purchased like the Win 66 Yellowboy.
Jerry

crracer_712
June 9, 2011, 12:14 PM
Not wrong at all, just something that will be admired more in between shots.

Cryogaijin
June 9, 2011, 01:35 PM
Not wrong at all, just something that will be admired more in between shots. Exactly. The 30-06 I am talking about was a perfectly functional gun. It had a 24" fluted stainless steel barrel without a single blemish, with some of the best woodwork I've seen out of remington in over a decade. The trapdoor on the magazine was a commemorative plate honoring 100 years of 30-06. And it was being sold for the same price as a standard CDL.

Unfortunately I wasn't prepared to buy that day, but I came back two days later and got a Blued/walnet BDL.

HenrySwift
June 9, 2011, 06:22 PM
Don't shoot it whatever you do!!!!!!!!

Aw heck, go ahead, but you know there will be consequences and repercussions. For instance, smiling, laughing, blasting, racking, showing, cleaning, and having fun. If you want to take on that kind of responsibility go ahead, but be careful because too much of that and who knows what will happen.


HS

HenrySwift
June 9, 2011, 06:24 PM
Don't shoot it whatever you do!!!!!!!!

Aw heck, go ahead, but you know there will be consequences and repercussions. For instance, smiling, laughing, blasting, racking, showing, telling, cleaning, loading, and having fun. If you want to take on that kind of responsibility go ahead, but be careful because too much of that and who knows what will happen. :cuss:


HS




Sorry for doing the old "2 post newbie".

Smokey in PHX
June 9, 2011, 10:30 PM
I've had a lot of Winchester Commemeratives that I did not shoot. Fortunately I was able to sell them off at a profit but only because they had 3 digit serial numbers. The only one that is worth money is the John Wayne model.

I have two special edition rifles that I shoot all the time.

LibShooter
June 10, 2011, 12:22 AM
My dad had one of those tarted up Winchesters with a medallion in the stock. It stood in his gun cabinet unfired for a few years. Then one day he was standing there peering at his pretty guns... he said something like "To heck with it! Let's shoot this thing." He even took it out in the wet and rainy woods. I guess the deer could see the shiny gold plate because he never brought home any venison with that rifle.

I have that gun now. I like it a lot better with a little rust, scratches on the loading gate and a little tarnish on the gold trigger. They remind me of Dad.

VA27
June 10, 2011, 01:33 PM
Glad you got that gun. I missed a chance at a WWI commemorative that was selling for less than a new Colt. By the time I got the money together it was gone. I hope that guy shot it, cause that's what I was gonna do.

Searcher4851
June 10, 2011, 04:10 PM
Most commemoratives aren't collectables. They're just fancied up production guns for the most part. If what it commemorates has some personal significance to you, that's great. If that significance would be lessened or diminished by shooting it, then don't. Otherwise shoot it and you also have something different than the plain production model to look at between shooting times. JMHO

Steve CT
June 10, 2011, 04:33 PM
If it's a gun you want, and it's at about the same price you would pay for a standard version, Why Not?. If it's a $2000 gun NIB, and the same model (without all the engraving, presentation box...) is a $1000 gun, then don't shoot it. I don't really get the commemorative/collectible/ one of xxx deal, but there are people who do, it's important to them.
Last summer my son bought a NIB/unfired Dan Wesson .445 Supermag Alaska Guide Series, Serial # 000001 (yeah the first one), and couldn't wait to find ammo for it and get to the range. Shooters and Collectors both need to enjoy their guns the way THEY want to

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