What type of AR is this exactly?


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potcha
June 8, 2011, 03:38 AM
Hello everyone, I've got a noob question for you guys. I was looking to buy my first AR-15 from buds and was having trouble narrowing down the exact type I was looking at so I could read some reviews about it. The gun in question is HERE (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_60/products_id/69657)

I know it is a bushmaster carbon 15 but i'm unable to find what 'type' it is. It seems they all have numbers like 'model 4' etc. Please help me narrow it down so I can research it.

Bonus points if you can give me an opinion about it. I know it is about the lowest end ar-15 I can get but it is one of the few within my price range. Any help is appreciated

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kingcheese
June 8, 2011, 03:45 AM
looks to be a "bushmaster carbon 15 m4 flat top carbine", but thats kinda a low price

im not an ar guy myself, but i hae never heard anything bad about bushmaster

madcratebuilder
June 8, 2011, 06:04 AM
It appears to be a M4gery, flat top with a 16" barrel. The bushmaster carbon 15 upper and lower is made from a carbon fiber material. It is a light weight rifle. I've never shot one, I know one guy who bought one and he had problems with it, sent it back to BM and traded for a 7075 M4gery.

lmccrock
June 8, 2011, 07:44 AM
Looks like there are some BM "Carbon 15" carbines which have aluminum alloy receivers, not just carbon fiber, and the linked item seems to be one of those.

Tirod
June 8, 2011, 09:13 AM
Check out the CMMG Bargain Bin guns for $599. Forged aluminum upper and lower for $100 less. These guys carry them: http://www.blackriflellc.com/pages/store.html

As a type they would be considered M4geries.

mstreddy
June 8, 2011, 10:13 AM
Bushmaster Carbon 15. They are pretty good. Very light weight. Good price on that one. I've owned 2 Bushmasters and have shot several others. I currently have their carbon/polymer 9mm version of the AR and am pretty happy with it.
As for the type - the M4 types, or M4geries as some refer them as... means they have the shorter length barrel (16"), collapsible stock, and maybe flat top receivers. Compare/contrast that with the Full size 20" barrel, fixed stock from the M16A1 or A2 type AR-15s. Another type is the varminter types that have a 20" or greater barrel, generally heavy or bull type and are suited for longer range optics.
On AR-15s the choice is yours as to what type or configuration you want for your very own. And the beauty is you can always easily change it by swapping out complete upper assemblies or barrels if you are so inclined.

BTW, in case you don't know the M4geries (M4 Forgeries) refers to M4-like rifles as only the REAL Mil or Govt Issued M4s are true M4s. Hope that makes sense.

C-grunt
June 8, 2011, 11:27 AM
I think you can get Smith and Wesson M&P15s for about the same price which would be a better weapon IMHO.

I have known two people with Carbon 15 rifles and both of them ended up trading them away after a short period of time.

Bushmaster makes a decent sporting rifle but I believe they are over priced for what you get.

BeJaRa
June 8, 2011, 02:25 PM
I have a bushmaster AR-15 A1 style and it is a great little rifle. That being said I think the Spikes ARs are the best deal in my neck of the woods. But a Bushmaster 16" flattop for $699 seems like a great deal to me

potcha
June 8, 2011, 02:56 PM
"Check out the CMMG Bargain Bin guns for $599. Forged aluminum upper and lower for $100 less. These guys carry them: http://www.blackriflellc.com/pages/store.html

As a type they would be considered M4geries."

I don't know if maybe im overlooking it but I went to that site and was unable to find this deal

"I think you can get Smith and Wesson M&P15s for about the same price which would be a better weapon IMHO."

Know where I might be able to find one in the same price range (700 or less?)

Canuck-IL
June 8, 2011, 03:02 PM
Call CDNN
P.O. Box 6514
Abilene, Texas 79608
Telephone: 800-588-9500
Fax: 325-695-4898

They constantly have specials on S&Ws ... you can look at their downloadable catalog but it's likely there's a better weekly deal available. The most recent (2 days ago??) deal I saw was for a couple of S&W ARs more in the 950 - 1100 range but they freq have some at lower price points (minus a few refinements/toys/glam/useless junk obviously).

/Bryan

C-grunt
June 8, 2011, 04:40 PM
"Check out the CMMG Bargain Bin guns for $599. Forged aluminum upper and lower for $100 less. These guys carry them: http://www.blackriflellc.com/pages/store.html

As a type they would be considered M4geries."

I don't know if maybe im overlooking it but I went to that site and was unable to find this deal

"I think you can get Smith and Wesson M&P15s for about the same price which would be a better weapon IMHO."

Know where I might be able to find one in the same price range (700 or less?)
CDNN has the standard M&P for $799 right now, a little more than you were looking at. Occasionally they will put the "Optics Ready" models on sale for under 700 bucks.

ugaarguy
June 8, 2011, 06:10 PM
The S&W M&P 15 Sport is $599.99 at Academy Sports and other big box gundealers. They are IMO a much better rifle than any Bushmaster.

potcha
June 8, 2011, 11:51 PM
cheaper and better? Thats awesome. I dont have a academy sports near me and don't see it on the website.

Any other good place you know of with a good price on them? I am very interested

ugaarguy
June 9, 2011, 02:34 PM
Potcha, check with any ffl local to you. MSRP on the M&P-15 Sport is $709, so street prices should be close to $600 anywhere you can find one.

potcha
June 9, 2011, 09:22 PM
Potcha, check with any ffl local to you. MSRP on the M&P-15 Sport is $709, so street prices should be close to $600 anywhere you can find one.
Awesome, thank you much

au01st
June 10, 2011, 10:38 PM
I bought that exact same rifle from Academy last weekend. It's extremely lightweight. I had no issues with the cheapest brass and steel ammo I could find. I don't care much for the red dot it came with, but it lists for $90 around the interweb, and I figure I can get $50 pretty easily out of it as soon as I decide on a suitable replacement, or I may just stick it on my turkey gun. The rings it comes with are very cheap, so pick up another set of 30mm rings if you intend to use that sight.

mdThanatos
June 10, 2011, 11:10 PM
If I am not mistaken the S&W M&P15's are the sport models which lack the dust cover and the forward assist so they may or may not be of importance to you. Another option you could look at is possibly DPMS rifles, I know Bud's has a couple under 600, they don't have any sights so you would need your own optics.

Locoone
June 11, 2011, 01:42 AM
Have a S&W M&P15 OR (optics ready, no sights)
It does have a forward assist and dust cover. Paid right at 600 for it new.

my M&P15-22 does not have forward assist or dust cover.

Apocalypse-Now
June 11, 2011, 04:58 AM
looks to be a "bushmaster carbon 15 m4 flat top carbine", but thats kinda a low price

in my area they're about $650.


i'm not a fan of a steel bolt riding inside a polymer upper with no metal between the two. plus, could they have stuck a cheaper red dot sight on it? :eek:




Potcha, check with any ffl local to you. MSRP on the M&P-15 Sport is $709, so street prices should be close to $600 anywhere you can find one.

looked at one of these today actually. i would take this over the carbon15 for sure. decent rifle, as long as you don't mind the lack of forward assist/dust cover :)

Tirod
June 11, 2011, 09:21 AM
Not every FFL keeps a webpage up to mail order firearms. Try calling on the phone. There are still businesses who do that, and you get someone on site speaking English as their primary language.

Having seen them at gun shows with literal stacks of guns around the table, I expect they still have a few.

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