Who wants to win a .22LR rifle?


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TheRespectableGentleman
June 9, 2011, 11:32 PM
Hi, I am new to the boards, but I have read alot of these forums, good stuff. Who wants to win a .22LR rifle? I sure do, but that isnt gonna happen, so Im going to have to buy one instead.

I am want to purchase a .22 LR rifle for a few reasons.

1) ammo is fairly cheap
2) the weapons that fire a .22LR seem to be inexpensive
3) I want to learn the fundamentals of BRM, and then eventually with a scope

not really 4)I am lazy and I want a semi auto.

I have heard of the Lugar 10/22 works well. Any other suggestions? Thoughts, questions, concerns?

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El Mariachi
June 9, 2011, 11:37 PM
April Fool?....

Archie
June 9, 2011, 11:48 PM
I think you mean "Ruger" 10-22 rifle. They are very nice .22 long rifle caliber rifles and well made. Lots of people confuse 'Ruger' with 'Luger'; they rhyme nicely.

Your reasoning about ammunition and rifle costs are sound, and one can lots of fun safely shooting a .22 rifle.

Just as a suggestion, you might look in your area for a membership type range or shooting club and see about some introductory sessions about basic marksmanship and such. And good luck to you, sir.

TheRespectableGentleman
June 10, 2011, 12:10 AM
I sure do mean rugar, I spelled lugar because Im retarded. Im actually in the army, and they dont allow military intelligence to shoot rifles so, I suck. We have a civilian range on post, so I just have to buy my weapon and ammo and Im good to go.

Maverick223
June 10, 2011, 12:51 AM
I want to learn the fundamentals of BRMWould this eventually lead to an AR-15 or the like? If so, you may want to start with something like a .22LR clone of the AR. The S&W M&P15-22 would be a pretty good start. OTOH, if you want to be able to customize your rifle and make it your own the Ruger 10-22 is a good start (I would suggest one of the older ones that had an Aluminum fire control group housing and bbl band). Keep it simple for a while, and build on the platform to make it your own. Finally, if you simply want a nice autoloading .22LR at relatively low cost, that is reasonably accurate (without requiring modifications) then the Marlin M-60 is an outstanding little rifle...it all depends on what you are looking for.

That said, you shouldn't discount a good bolt action rifle. They tend to be a little more accurate (for the money) and are, IMO, the best way to learn basic marksmanship skills. There are several good ones to choose from...narrowing the list to bolt guns that are currently being manufactured there are two that really stand out. I believe the Savage Mk. II is the best for the money. The other is a CZ-452, which is a little more refined and comes equipped with a nice stock and better irons (though you can always upgrade the Mk. II to one of several nice aperture sights), but does so at a fair amount more cost as well. Both have proven to be tack-drivers, and are worth every penny.

For a few good rimfire targets that are very effective in teaching the basics, you may want to check out the link in my sig.-line...if you do, be sure to post the results (here and in the Rim-Match thread).

:)

armoredman
June 10, 2011, 01:17 AM
You might win a rifle someday, some websites do giveaways on things like that...
Ruger makes an excellent carbine in the 10-22, with a thousand different customizations for it.

50 cal
June 10, 2011, 01:39 AM
Start out with a bolt action with iron sights. Regardless of how well it shoots,learn how the weopen functions. As time goes on on, you will be more interested and guns will come. By the way fellas, I started out with a red ryder and now I have a ma deuce. Never underestimate a person new to the shooting sports reguardless of their age.

TheRespectableGentleman
June 10, 2011, 11:41 AM
Would this eventually lead to an AR-15 or the like?
Yes it would, eventually. Im really impressed with the AR platform for the sheer ammount of things that you can do with it. As I said though, eventually. I want a 7.62x51 before I start an AR. But thats another thread for another day.

if you simply want a nice autoloading .22LR at relatively low cost, that is reasonably accurate (without requiring modifications) then the Marlin M-60 is an outstanding little rifle...it all depends on what you are looking for.
This is exactly what im looking for.

Ruger 10 22 or Marlin m60 what do you fellas think? and what are my price ranges? I want to spend less than 500 if possible.

bcp280z
June 10, 2011, 12:18 PM
Get it used, I think it's rather hard to beat up a 22. Ruger is probably most modular 22 unless you get an AR in 22. M&P22 or some upper or conversion.

Maverick223
June 10, 2011, 01:53 PM
Yes it would, eventually.Then I stand behind my recommendation of a S&W M&P15-22, which should be a fair bit less than $500. That way you can train with a rifle very similar to the centerfire counterpart.

OTOH, there is absolutely nothing wrong with either the Marlin M-60 or Ruger 10-22. Both are less costly and tend to be a little more accurate on average. Which one is right for you really depends upon what you are looking to do. If you want to pull it out of the box, and get right to shooting, without any intentions of modifying it...the Marlin hands down. It is often more accurate and a fair bit less costly. If you want to tinker with the rifle, adding accessories, swapping barrels/triggers/stocks, et cetera, the 10-22 is probably the best choice (though I'd still look for a used one, prior to the polymer FCG housing/bbl band). Point is, neither are bad rifles so it's hard to go wrong.

:)

moonpie
June 10, 2011, 06:06 PM
any 22 is always a good choose and if you like a semi my Rluger will shuck shells with the best of them.i just wish i could shoot as good as it can hit. keep buying laffre tickets i once won a shotgun that way

Stevie-Ray
June 10, 2011, 06:49 PM
I sure do mean rugar, I spelled lugar because Im retarded. Im actually in the army, and they dont allow military intelligence to shoot rifles so, I suck. Anybody else find this hilarious?:D

bcp280z
June 10, 2011, 07:26 PM
Yes but I was trying to stay "on the High Road" rather than calling it out.

TheRespectableGentleman
June 10, 2011, 10:12 PM
Anybody else find this hilarious?:D
Oh man, that is so much funnier than I intended. Well done sir, well done.

TheRespectableGentleman
June 10, 2011, 10:17 PM
Is the S&W M&P15-22 an interchangeable platform like the the AR or is the MP just an AR look alike? Also, is this weapon a centerfire or rimfire? How do the different ammo compare in price? I also noticed on the SW website that there is a CA complient model, is the magazine capacity the only difference between these two models?

heeler
June 10, 2011, 10:21 PM
I strongly suggest that when you purchase your .22 you find a model that shoots shorts,longs,and long rifle ammo.
You can never lose with a .22 like that.
Never.

VeeArDoubleyouSee
June 10, 2011, 10:36 PM
One more vote for the Ruger 10/22. Just finally got myself one a couple weeks ago and it's everything I could want in a semi-auto .22. Three bucks and change brand new, and if you're into that, there's all kinds of junk you can put on it.

TheRespectableGentleman
June 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
Yes but I was trying to stay "on the High Road" rather than calling it out.
Very respectable and much appreciated sir. Although it was pretty funny :)

TheRespectableGentleman
June 10, 2011, 10:49 PM
I strongly suggest that when you purchase your .22 you find a model that shoots shorts,longs,and long rifle ammo.
You can never lose with a .22 like that.
Never.
Model suggestion? Besides the obvious fact of more is better, why?

heeler
June 10, 2011, 11:58 PM
There are still a few current production .22's around that still take all three variations of the .22.
Some models right off the top of my head are the Henry lever rifles,some Marlin bolt actions,Remington has been making a slide action(pump) for decades that still loads all three.
The reason why is very obvious.
Any .22 rim fire cartridge can be put in your rifle.
Want a quiet round for junk yard rats,get the .22 short.
Want maximum power and distance,get the .22 Long Rifle.
The issue is ANY .22 round will suffice where as the over all majority of .22's produced today only magzine load long rifle.
Back in the days of my youth I dont even remember a .22 that did not shoot all three.
I have an old Marlin 25 bolt action that shoots them all where by my Marlin 60 bought around 1992 only feeds .22 long rifle.
I actually like the old model 25 better because of it's ability to use all three cartridges.

Maverick223
June 11, 2011, 12:38 AM
Anybody else find this hilarious?I do but...\/
Yes but I was trying to stay "on the High Road" rather than calling it out.
...but it seems that the OP seems to be a reasonably good-natured feller, so yeah it got a chuckle. http://forums.nitroexpress.com/images/graemlins/smilies/general/animal.gif

Is the S&W M&P15-22 an interchangeable platform like the the AR or is the MP just an AR look alike? Also, is this weapon a centerfire or rimfire? How do the different ammo compare in price? I also noticed on the SW website that there is a CA complient model, is the magazine capacity the only difference between these two models?First I must admit that I don't own one (though I have shot one and it was a pretty decent plinker), I do however know a bit about them so we'll give this a go anyway. It is an AR "look-alike" chambered for .22 Long Rifle, and it isn't possible to convert it to any other chambering that I'm aware of (perhaps the .17HM2, which is a rimfire, but I doubt it), though the controls are identical to a centerfire AR. The CA compliant model definitely has only 10rnd capacity, and no muzzle device (flash suppressor), but I believe it also has a "bullet button" (requires a "tool" to remove the magazine), and may not come with a collapsible stock (not sure about this one as I live in the relatively free state of NC). If I'm not mistaken all have the darn magazine cutoff (won't fire without a magazine inserted), but that isn't a horribly big deal (I've lived with it on my GSG-5 thus far). If you reside in California, you may want to strike this one off the list, as it looses a few of the attractive features in the CA-legal variant.

Now for the more difficult question...ammo (which is a valid question for any .22LR). Ammo ranges in price from as low as about $1.50/50rnd. box for cheap plinking ammo (which is great ammo to start with, but try several to see what your rifle digests/shoots best) up to about $35.00/box for Olympic grade match (which you just don't need...at least right now). I strongly recommend starting with something like Federal Champion (cheapest reasonably accurate bulk ammo I have found), Winchester 333/555 (which functions well and is cheap and fairly easy to find), and/or Federal 525rnd. Value Pack (which is about on par with the Winchester). The work your way up to a lesser cost match like Aguila Match Rifle (which is very accurate for the price), and later on to something even better like RWS Match Rifle, SK Match, Wolf Match, and/or various Eley & Lapua products.

I strongly suggest that when you purchase your .22 you find a model that shoots shorts,longs,and long rifle ammo.While I love my little Remington Model 12 pump and Stevens 87D, both will shoot just about anything (with the action locked, in the case of the Savage), it isn't exactly my go-to rimfire...not by a long shot. It's handy to be able to shoot .22 Shorts, and those dandy Super Colibris, but by no means necessary (nor is it available in most semis, or, for the most part, any lesser priced rifles at all). FWIW, I'm pretty sure that the Henry will not operate reliably with Shorts and Longs. I would first concentrate on a decent, reliable, accurate rifle WITH IRON SIGHTS (good ones, or at least something with aftermarket options).

:)

heeler
June 11, 2011, 01:03 AM
Well I threw the Henry out there because I knew it will take all three .22 rounds.
Since I dont own one I cant comment on if they will reliably feed a short even though they are designed to.
I can say my old Marlin 25 will and and one of my old boyhood friends Remington 572 pump surely did.
Anyway,I stand by my suggestion to try and find a .22 that will accept all forms of the .22 round.
That will most likey eliminate most if not all of the current semi-auto's.

Maverick223
June 11, 2011, 03:17 AM
That will most likey eliminate most if not all of the current semi-auto's.I think it will. In fact the Remington 550 and Stevens/Savage/(many other names) Model 87 are the only autoloaders that I know of that can attest to such an accomplishment (and the M-87 requires locking the bolt to perform the task without malfunctions). Again, there is nothing wrong with 'em (obviously a have a couple, and have to intentions to sell either), but it severely limits options.

:)

Panzercat
June 11, 2011, 01:17 PM
Mossberg plinkster?
The muzzle break is all lulz tho.

http://www.cabelas.ca/images/getimage.cfm?sku=000000000000005883

Maverick223
June 11, 2011, 04:08 PM
Mossberg plinkster. :barf: It's not horrible, but there's certainly nothing special about it; with the exception of the BMG brake...which is *special* (in a rainbow and unicorns kind of way). ;)

Stevie-Ray
June 11, 2011, 07:23 PM
...but it seems that the OP seems to be a reasonably good-natured feller, so yeah it got a chuckle. That he is and his humor is much appreciated here.

OP, I honestly giggled like a kid due to your putting retarded and military intelligence in the same paragraph. I'm truly not trying to make you a butt of jokes, but your humor seems infectious. Welcome!

I can't really improve on the Ruger 10/22 or the Marlin 60 for a first .22 rifle. I have both and wouldn't say either of them are really better than the other, though the Ruger can be laden with a host of different aftermarket goodies for whatever you wish, not so much the Marlin. If you really want to spend the big bucks though, the S&W M&P15-22 has been mentioned, and I have a GSG-5 that is probably more fun than any other rifle I own, so I would not hesitate to recommend it either.

Eb1
June 11, 2011, 08:02 PM
Don't know, but you can keep the $500 .22 LR AR clone. Give me the $125 Model 60 and a brick of Winchester Xpert. Total cost $140.00.

Then go get a decent .22 LR scope in 3x9x32 for $50 bucks or less with a set of $10 rings, and you golden to take anything from a piss ant to a coyote out to 100 yards.

TheRespectableGentleman
June 12, 2011, 03:10 AM
your golden to take anything from a piss ant to a coyote
My two greatest adversaries!

Thank you all for your help, Its much appreciated.

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