[MicroBalrog]

Citizen patrolling border guilty for carrying gun

Associated Press
Jan. 15, 2004 07:45 AM


TUCSON - The leader of a citizens' border patrol group was found guilty of two misdemeanors for carrying a firearm while on national forest property.

U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Nancy Fiora ruled Wednesday that Chris Simcox was guilty of knowingly entering the Coronado National Memorial with a weapon and giving false information to a law enforcement official.

Simcox was arrested in January 2003 amid allegations that he walked onto the property while carrying a firearm.

Simcox is founder of Civil Homeland Defense, a Tucson-based citizens border patrol group.

Simcox, who said he's not guilty because he was in an area that was not marked by any sign, will appeal the ruling.

Sentencing on the misdemeanors, which carry penalties ranging from probation to eight months behind bars, is scheduled for March 23.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0115patrolfounder-judgement-ON.html

[TallPine]

Coronado National Memorial
should that be "Coronado National Monument" ?????

if so, then it is definitely not "national forest" as monuments are under the Dept of the Interior while national forest is under Dept of Agriculture.

[longeyes]

Simcox and others will be the martyrs/saints of the Sovereignty Movement. Obviously, people like him are inconvenient to a political stratum that wants to legitimate illegal aliens and open our borders to any "willing worker." American citizens are being put on notice: Don't get in the way of this policy. If troops go to the border it will be to round up Simcox and likeminded souls, not to stop any influx from further south.

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Yeah, a citizen may not, under any circumstance, exercise their federal 2A rights while on FEDERAL land. Especially if armed border crossers are present.

[Leatherneck]

IIRC, firearms are not prohibited in National Forests, but they are prohibited in National Parks by the Code of Federal regulations. If this is wrong, please correct me as I'm imperfect today...:D

TC
TFL Survivor

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

YOu are correct. Parks and monuments are "gun-free zones." Unless you are a ranger or a coyote or an illegal immigrant. :uhoh: Citizens need not apply.

[TallPine]

If this is wrong
It is WRONG, even though your information is correct.

:p

[Balog]

Wow, I know Chris. He's a good guy. That's too bad. I hope his appeal goes well.

[longeyes]

I've heard Simcox speak a number of times. He won't be the last to be slapped down for his stand. There's a plan at work and peons are not to interfere.

Steve Sailer, at Vdare.com, offers, a propos of this issue, some hypotheses about why Bush is pressing forward with this plan. One is to lay the way for the ascendancy of his nephew George P. Bush, jocularly referred to as "44"
by clan insiders, to high office. GPB is Jeb's son, fluent in Spanish (his mother is a Mexican national). Sailer also details the long connections of the Bush family with various power brokers in Mexico. Long but worth reading. You'll find it here:

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/bush_thinking.htm

[Brigrat]

What part of shall not be infringed upon wasn't clear??? This kind of stuff makes me ill!

[Standing Wolf]

As expected, government is far more concerned about commoners carrying firearms than the invasion of illegal aliens.

[Double Naught Spy]

I get a kick out of reading about all these 'good guys' who keep getting busted for breaking the law. It sort of puts into perspective the stories about gang members caught doing crimes about which friends and family had absolutely nothing bad to say about the model citizen young man he was.

A good guy? He supposedly peppered his neighbor's house with several rounds. It was apparently for a good reason as he wasn't trying to shoot the neighbor's garage, but by golly he managed to do so. Maybe he is a little wild on the trigger?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34303&highlight=simcox

You sort of got to find it amusing that he and friends were on 'special activity' when they were caught packing illegally by a park ranger who apparently surprised him and his buddy. Of course, while Simcox was head of this citizen border patrol group, he claimed that he was just hiking, carrying guns, cell phone, camera, walkie talkies, and a scanner. So much for situational awareness. I don't think the "just hiking' story really ever had any credibility given all the times his group and his views have been in the news.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6129&highlight=simcox

Before anyone says anything, I don't like the laws any better than y'all do, but I abide by them and don't draw public attention to myself in regard to performing activities that might be illegal, such as heading up an armed border patrol group. You gotta figure Simcox has managed to set himself up to fail by bringing notoriety to his group and making his actions known to the public. By getting caught, I would guess, he is martyring himself. Well that is my take. From what I have read about the guy, he isn't stupid and so I figure his transgressions are likely calculated as was getting caught.

[longeyes]

Perhaps Simcox just realizes that the media care more about Jacko than about a foreign invasion or a government that has no problem trampling the Constitution. To scruple about Simcox's peccadillos while illegal aliens are on a massive crime wave throughout America is selective perception at its worst. Give the man credit for being one of very, very few who has actually taken action in the face of this threat to our nation.

[hammer4nc]

Why no jury trial? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Balog]

Double Naught Spy wrote: A good guy? He supposedly peppered his neighbor's house with several rounds. It was apparently for a good reason as he wasn't trying to shoot the neighbor's garage, but by golly he managed to do so. Maybe he is a little wild on the trigger?

That is a complete lie. The story you linked to is about Glenn Spencer, not Chris. I don't know whether that is an honest mistake or a deliberate attempt to smear his name. Either way, you should know better.


If you choose to slavishly obey all laws, that's your choice. If you choose to not work to help with horrible social problems if that might make you unpopular, that's also your choice.
But how dare you criticize this man for doing so? His group does nothing but good, and because he got caught up by some ludicrously unjust law he deserves what he got? Why must you attempt to slander his name when you've never even met the man? Your disingenuous smearing of a good man disgusts me.

[Wildalaska]

Double naught, couldnt have put it better meself.

WildwatchoutheywillcallyanamesthoughAlaska

[seeker_two]

Of course, while Simcox was head of this citizen border patrol group, he claimed that he was just hiking, carrying guns, cell phone, camera, walkie talkies, and a scanner.

If you paid attention to the "hiking activities" down around the Mexican border, you'd be wanting AT LEAST that--if not a SAW! :what:

WildwatchoutheywillcallyanamesthoughAlaska

:confused:

Try using the spacebar once in awhile, please...

[El Tejon]

hammer, militia boys do not do so well with a jury of their peers, thus the purported bench trial.:)

[gunsmith]

If the country club republicrats won't stop murderers and rapist and
serial pedophile kidnapping killers,who will?
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/

[gunsmith]

If the country club republicrats If the country club republicrats won't stop murderers and rapist and
serial pedophile kidnapping killers,who will?
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/


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[El Tejon]

Mmmm, maybe the Border Patrol and not militia boys?:confused:

[seeker_two]

Mmmm, maybe the Border Patrol and not militia boys?

Unfortunately, the BP & local LEO's can't (& sometimes WON'T) do it....:banghead:

And these "militia boys" are INVITED by private property owners to patrol their lands. Read the stipulations on Ranch Rescue's website (http://www.ranchrescue.com) .

It's easy to dismiss the seriousness of the illegal alien problem when your nearest border is Canada. Come down to South Texas for awhile & learn what the REAL cost is... :fire:





This isn't meant as a personal attack. I'm just pointing out differences in perspectives...

[El Tejon]

seeker, I do, twice a year at least.:) Great time, but it will be over soon.:(

Why will the Border Patrol not perform its role?

Is it such that allowing yahoos to play copper like this militia boy is a better alternative than allowing Border Patrol to perfrom its function?:confused:

No problem with ranchers hiring security guards, but militia boys are more of a threat than illegal aliens.

[longeyes]

The Border Patrol itself, its rank and file, is at odds with Bush's immigration proposal. The word's been out for a long while, from on high, that law enforcement, regardless of uniform, is not to meddle in Big Politics. The fix is in, and I don't think there are too many awake Americans who aren't becoming aware of that. A consortium of small groups,left and right, has formed an Odd Bedfellows Association: that would be rightwing economic elites with radical leftwing pro-immigrant groups. Together this is a tiny sliver of the American populace, but at the moment these people are setting the policy and spitting in the eye of the American people. And you wonder why Chris Simcox and others are up in arms, both literally and figuratively? Someone has to bring some sanity to the problem, and it's clear now that this sanity won't be coming from the Casa Blanca. Bush thinks it's enough to say "It's just the right thing to do" and disregard the vox populi; no wonder an attitude like that finds its emotional counterpart in the stirrings of a militia.

[ahenry]

Unfortunately, the BP & local LEO's can't (& sometimes WON'T) do it.... Out of mere curiosity, could you point to a specific instance of BP or local LEO’s deliberately and willfully not stopping “murderers and rapist and serial pedophile kidnapping killers” (I assume we are speaking of them crossing the border)? I’ll give you the “can’t”, it is a huge border and no matter what is done on the enforcement side of things, illegal migration can never be completely eliminated.

[Derek Zeanah]

but militia boys are more of a threat than illegal aliens.Why?

[longeyes]

"Militia boys" are more dangerous than illegal aliens because illegal aliens constitute the future mainstream of the Republican Party. Ask Karl Rove. Dick Morris proferred the wisdom of this yesterday in the NY Post.:uhoh:

[El Tejon]

Militia boys are a direct threat to the integrity of law enforcement. They cause mistrust and fear by their play-acting.

As a LEO, I was tough on Batmen and militia boys. They undermine the very fabric of due process.

However, depending on one's perspective apparently that's not so bad.:scrutiny: :uhoh:

[TallPine]

They undermine the very fabric of due process.
The fabric of due process has already been rent asunder by voire dire (french for "stacking the jury"), and judges who rule on their political beliefs rather than constitutional law.

Militia boys are a direct threat to the integrity of law enforcement.
Law enforcement is a direct threat to the integrity of law enforcement. Nobody can destroy your integrity but yourself.

[seeker_two]

ahenry: Ranch Rescue (http://www.ranchrescue.com) has links to several stories to validate that claim. Makes for some scary reading...

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Law enforcement is a direct threat to the integrity of law enforcement. Nobody can destroy your integrity but yourself.

True, but the political head-honchos can undermine their ability to enforce existing law & erode the integrity of their mandate as well.

Would LEO's be as gung-ho in the WoD or as lax on illegal aliens if the politicians didn't provide a supportive environment (i.e. legislation) for such attitudes? :scrutiny:

[longeyes]

The fish stinks from the head. We have people at the top who do not put our country and citizens first, do not listen, and do not enforce the law. People don't want to override the law, but when the law becomes part of a failed political process, some will.

[El Tejon]

seeker, no argument about politicians!:banghead:

[labgrade]

Does not anyone else find it repugnant that there is some fed-clause that disarms otherwise law-abiding citizens from even the possession of a firearm in our - let's take a pause to hail a toast! - our own national monuments/parks?

Are not these natural wonders a cherished & blessed remeberance of why we are here, & what we defend? the very essense of the land? the very best?

& here, we are disarmed.

Regardless if this guy was a nut-job, he broke no law (as reported) other than "being in possession of ... "

"The fabric of due process has already been rent asunder by voire dire (french for "stacking the jury"), and judges who rule on their political beliefs rather than constitutional law."

Yup, YesSir! ditto. Uh-huh ....

But, El Tejon, " Militia boys are a direct threat to the integrity of law enforcement. They cause mistrust and fear by their play-acting."

But if "play-acting" is all they're doing, how can that be a threat? Every "knows" that militia-men are a bunch of over-weight, beer-guzzling, wanna-bes. Right?

& that's a threat?

Mayhaps you rethink your policy towards those that are "allowed" their fantacies.

I would be much more concerned about a well-fit, dedicated member of society, who knew their rights, disgusted with the current (& far more increasing mind-set of LEOs) militarisation of the police. & one who keeps his mouth shut & will just do what he thinks need be done.

Enough said on that subject - for now - new thread coming.

[Derek Zeanah]

Uhhh. These guys aren't the ones you need to worry about.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=735326

:evil:

I'd worry more about pissing off the folks who are well-trained, take their enlistment oath seriously, and keep their mouths shut. Sort of the way you don't worry so much about the dog that barks, rather the one that eyes you, then lunges.

If I were an LEO, and I was worried, I wouldn't act in a way that pissed people like that off. Hell, I wouldn't arrest someone for carry without a permit, for example. Might be one of the reasons I'm not LEO though -- why would someone willingly enforce unjust laws? :confused:

[longeyes]

The big threat isn't the militias, it's a military coup.

Can't happen here?

[labgrade]

Military coup?

I dunno.

I see it much more likely as a "mere" citizenry finally deciding that we just won't take it any longer = we're disgusted.

Cops shot out of hand, for no reason other than "I wuz stopped." - or not even that.

Coupla/few pols assassinated, cops just smoked "because."

Whattheygonnado?

Obviously, crack down all the more.

There ya go .....