What is the most painful to shoot pistol?


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Got_Lead?
June 11, 2011, 07:51 PM
What's the most painful pistol you have ever shot?

Here's my little painful pleasure, the Polish P-64. Three rounds and my hand will ache for an hour.

It's really is a great little gun, very well made, and highly accurate, just a little too small a platform for the power of the round. The slide comes back viciously, and cases eject with almost as much velocity as the bullets (they fly 50 to 75 feet). As soon as I can get a 9mm Mak boolit mold, I'll load her down to a more comfortable level.

http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/1homebrewed/PICT0005a-1.jpg

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NMGonzo
June 11, 2011, 08:02 PM
what about a stronger recoil spring?

Aiko492
June 11, 2011, 08:05 PM
The most painful I have shot was the Kahr P380 I used to own. Shooting .45's are much more comfortable.

Got_Lead?
June 11, 2011, 08:31 PM
A stronger recoil spring will definately help, Wolff sells an extra power which I'm going to get the next time I make out an order for springs. The stock springs are about as stiff as the Makarov, however, the slide is so much more slenderly contoured it doesn't have the mass to really buffer the power of the 9mm Mak round.

I really do like the pistol, I consider it quite a value at the $139 or so dollars I paid for it. It looks to have seen very little use, and is very well made. I like the chrome lining in the bore, this seems to be standard to a lot of eastern block guns. I wish more US made guns had it. I really haven't fired a lot of rounds out of it, but those that I have, it's been 100% reliable, the sights are right on, and it seems to be very accurate (I haven't benched it on paper yet, but it'll whack pop cans easily at 25 yards.

NMGonzo
June 11, 2011, 08:33 PM
I would love one.

Pain and all ...

cyclopsshooter
June 11, 2011, 08:36 PM
PA63
scandium jframe 357 158gr
scandiup 44mag


boooo

forindooruseonly
June 11, 2011, 08:45 PM
Of the ones I owned - a .500 S&W and a .380 Walther PPk. Both were unpleasant. I've never messed around with a snubby scandium framed anything, but I imagine they are pretty bad in a .357 or .44 like cyclops said.

zxcvbob
June 11, 2011, 08:47 PM
Most painful I've shot is a Keltec P3AT, but I'm sure there are a lot worse (like super light framed .357 magnum snubbies, or .45 Colt derringers.

hogcowboy
June 11, 2011, 08:55 PM
My little North American Arms .380. The darn thing pinches my finger between the trigger and the trigger guard. I'm good for three magazines and that's it.

Storm
June 11, 2011, 09:00 PM
The Astra 600.

Got_Lead?
June 11, 2011, 09:01 PM
Scandium .357 mag snubby sounds way painful, esp with heavies. Not sure I'd want to fire one with full house loads, at least not in anger.

There's a lot of talk about the Keltek P3AT and the Ruger LCP, I'd like to try one sometime, they do look cool.

Justin123
June 11, 2011, 09:10 PM
The S&W 642 with 158g +p is not pleasant.

mopar92
June 11, 2011, 09:17 PM
+1 on that 642... My .32 Seecamp bites my pinkie

KAS1981
June 11, 2011, 09:21 PM
Dunno about most painful pistol, but I just had to comment on that P64. What a great looking little gun!

pikid89
June 11, 2011, 09:23 PM
The LCP/P3AT do not kick that bad at all...and i have big hands that dont fit the guns too well...its a bit snappy yes, but nowhere near as bad as the Kel-Tec PF-9

txgunsuscg
June 11, 2011, 09:29 PM
Tie between a Kahr .40 and a Smith Airweight .357. After 50 rounds through the Smith, I actually turned it back into the rental desk with skin and blood hanging off the cylinder release where it had been rubbing my thumb.... The Kahr slide release wore a hole through my thumb as well, but the Smith looked far more impressive when it was done.

moonpie
June 11, 2011, 09:30 PM
a 22mag mini revolver back in the 70s. the day i learned about cylinder gap

SpodWo
June 11, 2011, 09:33 PM
Hmmm - I have a P64 - I really don't find it that bad. Now my Taurus 24/7 DS compact in .45 ACP can get my hand tingling.

WardenWolf
June 11, 2011, 10:05 PM
What's the most painful pistol you have ever shot?

Here's my little painful pleasure, the Polish P-64. Three rounds and my hand will ache for an hour.

It's really is a great little gun, very well made, and highly accurate, just a little too small a platform for the power of the round. The slide comes back viciously, and cases eject with almost as much velocity as the bullets (they fly 50 to 75 feet). As soon as I can get a 9mm Mak boolit mold, I'll load her down to a more comfortable level.

http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/1homebrewed/PICT0005a-1.jpg
Get a set of Marschal Grips (http://www.marschalgrips.com/) for your P-64. They'll tame it quite nicely and also make it look much better. My father and I both carry P-64's and we both have Marschal grips. We're also both running the strongest recoil spring Wolff offers. I have, however, noticed some peening, in different areas on each gun. This seems to be due to inconsistent machining, and should resolve itself as it wears in and becomes consistent. Basically areas that stick out more than they should are, of course, receiving extra force. Once it evens out, this will stop.

I like my PA-63. It's quite pleasant for me.

Snowbandit
June 11, 2011, 10:15 PM
A left handed Thompson Contender in 30-30. I'm right handed and the stock didn't fit at all. It's the only one that ever actually hurt me. My 340 M&P with magnum ammo will get your attention but that Thompson was nasty.

Pyro
June 11, 2011, 10:16 PM
I don't mind a gun that hurts my hand.
Comforts me to think about how painful it could be for the other guy :eek:

pbearperry
June 11, 2011, 10:19 PM
My S&W 340PD with full house .357 mag loads is quite painful.Also my old Ruger Super Blawkhawk 44 mag was really tough on my middle finger.To this day I don't understand what Bill Ruger was thinking using the squared trigger guard.

armarsh
June 11, 2011, 10:21 PM
A Seecamp 380 that a friend owns. It is one sweet little gun, but it feels like a mousetrap on your trigger finger.

lono
June 11, 2011, 10:23 PM
Walther PPK/S, it chews the webbing of my hand.

WRGADog
June 11, 2011, 10:28 PM
Scandium frame .357 mag, 12 ounces empty. Most brutal gun to shoot that I own.

FIVETWOSEVEN
June 11, 2011, 11:22 PM
In my experiance I would say the PPK/S in .380.

Guns&Religion
June 11, 2011, 11:51 PM
My Brother in law had a S&W Model 629 made sometime in the 1980's. With the original wooden grips, it was very painfull to shoot. It had an 8 inch barrel, which kept the gun from riding up and it put the recoil right into your wrist.

Worse however, was the time I changed the stock on my Mossberg 12 Gauge. I put a cheap pistol grip on it. The recoil was horrendous. I think I put eight rounds through it, before my hand got too sore. It was swollen for a week. (Naturally, I changed the stock back to the original.

cerberus65
June 11, 2011, 11:58 PM
My little North American Arms .380. The darn thing pinches my finger between the trigger and the trigger guard.

Me too. Not sure why. Being straight blowback seems to make it more painful to shoot also. I'd rather load my 629 with full-house .44 Magnums because it hurts less.

safebustr
June 12, 2011, 01:17 AM
A TC in 35 Remington, OUCH!!! That darn thing would burn the hair off your feet if you shot it bare footed.
Hurt your ears too, even with hearing protection

exdetsgt
June 12, 2011, 01:19 AM
For me, all Smith &Wesson airweights. No fun at all. They carry well concealed, but that's it. Also Kel-Tec P3AT, three mags through that and you're done for the day.

KingMedicine
June 12, 2011, 01:26 AM
My Mauser HSc in 32 auto. Yeah, its just a light and nice round. But jesus... the edge of the frame goes right into the soft spot in my palm of my hand and totally nails it each round. I hate that gun, but its a family gun... So it stays in the safe.

Pete D.
June 12, 2011, 06:55 AM
T/C Encore - 15" barrel - 500 S&W with 600/700 grain bullets. Every shot hurt. Worse than the revolver.
Pete

Snowdog
June 12, 2011, 09:02 AM
I sometimes carry a P64. It's a fine little pistol, but I if I fire off more than 50 rounds in one session, I end up with blood on the knuckle/webbing of my thumb.

I keep practice with this pistols to around 4 or 5 magazines worth and it a day. It's not the most pleasant pistol to practice with, but it's definitely a chewer instead of a bone-crusher. I really like the pistol though. Though no powerhouse despite it's unpleasant recoil characteristics, I would say it still compares well to a 5 shot snub (which I also find perfectly adequate for most CCW use).

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4814226524_ffc004d05f_z.jpg

AirForceShooter
June 12, 2011, 09:44 AM
Any snubby .357.
Any .380

AFS

Mad Magyar
June 12, 2011, 09:49 AM
LCP, of course....

hardluk1
June 12, 2011, 09:51 AM
For me its my CA ultra light with 110gr+P and the 2 finger grip. Nasty little pistol

451 Detonics
June 12, 2011, 10:49 AM
An American Arms derringer in 45/70...just one round convinced me I didn't ever need to shoot it again.

the count
June 12, 2011, 10:57 AM
+1 on the PA 63, its like a hammer hitting your hand.

Storm
June 12, 2011, 11:41 AM
My original response was the Astra 600, a 9mm straight blowback design, but if we are including revolvers by far the worst was my 454 Casull Raging Bull. Despite the very long barrel and alleged recoil absorbing grips this gun was was a real nightmare. I shot about fifteen rounds through it and said "no way Jose". I decided to get PAST shooting gloves to handle it, but ended up asking "what's the sense" and traded it away. I'll use the gloves to shoot the Astra.

That 454 did come in handy for one thing. I shot it the first time on the day that I taught my 19 year old daughter to shoot. I started out the session at the outdoor range by shooting the 454. After sending a cylinder full downrange I looked back at my daughter who looked like a deer in the headlights. The range went cold and as we took off our hearing protection I explained to her that she wouldn't be shooting that gun. When she shot the gun for her, a Smith 5" barrel J frame (and later that day an M&P 9 Compact), she was so relieved. It was all relative. If for nothing else that 454 served a purpose and her current Colt Diamondback is like a pop-gun in comparison.

red rick
June 12, 2011, 11:52 AM
S&w m&p 340.

orionengnr
June 12, 2011, 11:56 AM
S&W 340 with "real" .357 Magnum rounds.
Five years later, my wrist still hurts. :)

harmon rabb
June 12, 2011, 11:56 AM
Got Lead, swap the recoil springs for the heaviest Wolfe sells and it'll be an entirely different gun. I hated my PA-63 when I got it, and it has the same issues as the P64 (30lb DA trigger, recoil like a .44mag). Swapped the recoil spring and hammer spring, and it's a completely different gun. DA trigger weight reduced to something more manageable, and recoil is now merely a bit snappy.

The Lone Haranguer
June 12, 2011, 03:01 PM
1911s with sharp corners and/or poor fitting on the grip safety cut my hand, small-frame, lightweight snubnose revolvers pound my hand.

bannockburn
June 12, 2011, 04:00 PM
Two guns come to mind: an Astra Model 600 and a stainless Walther PPK/s. The Astra, being a straight blowback 9mm., pounded the web of my hand into so much pulp after only 50 rounds. The Walther had more sharp edges than a drawer filled with razor blades.

Big_John1961
June 12, 2011, 05:29 PM
Most painful one I've shot is my Seecamp .380. It's a little beast.

Fleet
June 12, 2011, 06:11 PM
.30-30 Contender with the 1st design Contender grips. Same thing in .45 Win Mag. OUCH!

doc540
June 12, 2011, 07:09 PM
lightweight snub in .357

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_aurQrrc7yRY/TOiXLRXZj4I/AAAAAAAAEBo/rNbCvNr8qYg/s800/vlcsnap-2010-11-20-21h37m42s120-first%20shot%20with%20125gr%20357%20load.jpg

Stevie-Ray
June 12, 2011, 07:13 PM
T/C Contender in .45-70 tapered barrel. Like closing your hand around a firecracker, exactly.

405 gr factory loads are quite pleasant, but 300 gr Remingtons? No fun at all.

Got_Lead?
June 12, 2011, 09:14 PM
Harmon:

Thanks, that's good to know a stiffer recoil spring can slow that slide down a bit before it comes to the end of it's travel. I did cut a turn or so off the hammer spring, to reduce that 30 pound trigger pull to about 29 lbs. I also got the dremeled off a bit of metal from the trigger bar, so in single action it doesnt engage at front of the pull, you don't have like a full inch of overtravel this way. Now the single action sear engages much farther back in trigger travel, like a regular gun.

The stiffer recoil spring is probably good advice for PPK and PA 63 owners too.

Doc, thats quite a photo, is that about 20 grains of WW296 behind a 125 gn HP?

GDownRange
June 12, 2011, 11:48 PM
I have a S&W Sigma .380 that I bought in 1996. The recoil is all up. If your not ready for the snap it will jump right out of your hand. After 10 rounds I have bruising between my thumb and forefinger.

It will also give you arthritis in your index finger. I've never tested the trigger pull with a calibrated device, but it feels like 50+ lbs. 50+ lbs pulled through wet gritty sand.

On the plus side I've never had a failure in the 210 rounds I've fired through it.

IMTHDUKE
June 12, 2011, 11:51 PM
Reason I sold a Seecamp 380.....well made little pain in the hand.

zxcvbob
June 13, 2011, 10:50 AM
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7456dab8e710.jpg

Hondo 60
June 13, 2011, 11:47 AM
Autoloader? A Hi-Point 9mm.
It likes to really dig into my trigger finger - especially on the last shot or two from the mag.

For a revolver - my j-frame S&W - especially with full power loads.
I'm thinking of putting rubber grips on it.
I wish someone would make squishy grips for it like Taurus has on some of their guns.
(that's about the only thing I like about Taurus)

hardluk1
June 13, 2011, 12:32 PM
doc Thats a good way to keep all the hair off your hands.

RevDerb
June 13, 2011, 01:43 PM
Ruger LCR .357

Sorry that this looks like a repeat of a later post but the message that I had here was actually meant for another thread.

Kiln
June 13, 2011, 02:48 PM
Leinad .410 single shot derringer. Cheap, built like a tank, simple, and extremely painful to shoot. I've got a Kel Tec P40 and a .357, the Leinad hurts worse. At first I wondered why they used the 2 1/2 in. shells rather than letting you use the full 3 in. ones, now I know.

After a box of 25 the palm of my hand was bruised and hurt for over a week...the recoil also bruised my middle finger.

ripp
June 13, 2011, 02:56 PM
1970, saw handled (wood) with thumbrest Contender in .44 mag, the 30 herrett was tame by comparison. 240 gr lubaloy WW ammo actually hurt everyone's hand, so I got rid of it. It was like being hit with nightstick in the web of your hand.

Kiln
June 13, 2011, 03:01 PM
1970, saw handled (wood) with thumbrest Contender in .44 mag, the 30 herrett was tame by comparison. 240 gr lubaloy WW ammo actually hurt everyone's hand, so I got rid of it. It was like being hit with nightstick in the web of your hand.
Lol I know the feeling, thats a perfect description of how the Leinad feels too.

JustinJ
June 13, 2011, 07:14 PM
Any Hi Point. Really, you don't have to shoot it for the pain. Just seeing one and my eyes ache.

Seriously though, Ruger LCP and Keltek PF9. The Ruger LC9 was surprisingly much easier on the hands.

MCgunner
June 13, 2011, 08:48 PM
My vote goes to the .45/70 Contender. That's why I never got a .45/70 barrel for mine.

Small auto pistols, try the Radom P64 with stock grips and springs. Springs and Marchal grips helps. This gun surprised me since I don't really think my Kel Tec P11 is that bad. But, then, the Radom is a blow back, so I guess that's the reason.

MCgunner
June 13, 2011, 08:53 PM
Oh, I'd say a Scandium 12 ounce .357 with 180 grain BB equivalent loads, but that's a revolver, not a pistol.

needmorecowbell
June 13, 2011, 08:55 PM
Without a doubt my old Kel-Tec P-11. Much worse than my 642 and P3AT. The trigger pull was brutal.

MCgunner
June 13, 2011, 08:57 PM
The P11 is powder puff compared to the P64. I actually LOVE the trigger for CCW and shooting. The P64 had to have a hammer spring. The DA was unmanagable. It's fine, now, with a 17 lb hammer spring, but the transition is a little tough going from a heavy DA to a very light, crisp SA. I sometimes double tap when I don't really want to. But, I still like the gun. Both these guns are quite accurate.

Ancient Woodsman
June 13, 2011, 09:00 PM
I have an LCP, and while the loudest handgun I have it is far from being painful.

I've fired most of the above, and agree on the rifle-caliber Contenders with early (late 70s/early 80s) grips as being close to the top in uncomfortable.

Hand & finger size for some reason for me makes firing any mid-80s/early 90s S&W auto painful...the raised portion of the magazine release on the right side of the frame realy dug in to my right-hand middle finger. A few magazines and I was done.

439, 659, 5906, 4006, 645, 4567 (should have kept that one - pretty rare now), and 4506 all bit me that way.

AW

Strykervet
June 13, 2011, 09:02 PM
Well, it's been said again and again, and I'll say it yet again.

The S&W 340PD.

Light, concealable, powerful. Bone snapping recoil. I hate the recoil, but I love the fact you can drop it in a pocket and forget you have it; I wouldn't trade this thing ever.

Don't know about autos. Never really fired one that was brutal. Certainly never fired anything close to that 340PD. I bet some of the T/C Contenders are pretty stout, but the 340PD has a special "SNAP!" all to its own.

JROC
June 13, 2011, 09:36 PM
For me I would say my 1911 with some of that 185gr @ 1225fps JHP Double Tap ammo. It's got a lot of real snappy pop to it.

Seabee Vet
June 14, 2011, 08:03 AM
I'd have to say the Ruger LCP 380. The LCP is my wifes concealed carry. When we go to the range though you almost have to twist her arm to get her to practice with it. She'd rather shoot my Taurus 44 with full load magnums 10 to one over the LCP. She keeps threatening to get a bigger purse for the 44 as her concealed carry LOL.

I can't ever get a decent grip on that little thing with my big hands.

I carry a SIG 229 that's quite comfy.

Dave B
June 14, 2011, 02:08 PM
Older Contender with .410 bbl and the origional grips.

Gig 'em
June 14, 2011, 02:53 PM
More fun along the same vein...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=594471

Enjoy.
-Gig 'em-

Just One Shot
June 14, 2011, 04:11 PM
Keltec P11 hands down the worst hand gun I've ever shot.

ghostoftheprairie
June 14, 2011, 04:49 PM
Derringer in 45 Colt... Not really painful, just a handful!!

HOWARD J
June 14, 2011, 05:05 PM
Had a S & W 41 mag with 6" barrel--it recoiled straight back & was murder on your wrist.
Also had a S & W 41 mag 2" barrel--recoiled up & was pleasant to shoot ?????

RevDerb
June 14, 2011, 07:12 PM
For me it was a Ruger LCR .357 with 158 gr ammo. I don't think that I put 10 rounds of .357 total through it. It was just too painful. Sold it and got a .38spl for a while.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn268/RevDerb/Handguns/053.jpg

ProCarryNAustin
June 15, 2011, 06:40 PM
I have had some fun with the T/C's in different chamberings, but the worst thing I ever shot was an XP-100 in 7mm BR. My ears ring just thinking about that one.

Zach S
June 15, 2011, 06:48 PM
Another vote for the Smith 340PD. I fired one round, and handed it back to the owner...

FenderTK421
June 16, 2011, 03:57 AM
I don't get you guys. My .380 lcp may be a pos but the recoil is nada (it just tries to squirm around). My snub nose .454 is something else, but I love it to death; of course it takes a few hundred rounds to get to know you.

vellocet
June 16, 2011, 02:54 PM
Both the pa-63 and the p-64 are kicky. I just yesterday got my wolf springs for them both. The p-64 was worst but still within limits. I did manage to dent my thumb knuckle with my hi-cap makarov, and that guns kicks pretty good,too. The guy who suggested the bigger grips has a good idea but it might compromise the small size of the p-64 and hence it's best feature.

Loosedhorse
June 16, 2011, 03:02 PM
My most painful handguns have been 1) Derringers and 2) revolvers. Since this is in "Autoloaders" not sure.

The OP's PPK clone is a good choice--don't own a PPK, mostly due to hammer bite. Seecamp .32 is noticeable; I hear the .380 is worse, but I don't have to try everything.

DE .50? No problem! Never tried a .50 Grizzly or AMT, though.

george12
June 16, 2011, 06:35 PM
An absolute hand full, for me. Without a glove, two magazines and I am finished. Blood blister on the trigger finger and all.

ifit
June 16, 2011, 07:23 PM
shot a friends S&W revolver, no recoil spring etc.. but my arm felt like one after i shot it
and idea of the round, middle one.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/model500-bullets.jpg

Shadow 7D
June 16, 2011, 07:34 PM
Kel Tec P 40
they don't make it anymore cause most people can't shoot it.

BamAlmighty
June 16, 2011, 10:28 PM
4" barrel .500 S&W revolver shooting 700 grain bullets.

WardenWolf
June 16, 2011, 11:32 PM
Both the pa-63 and the p-64 are kicky. I just yesterday got my wolf springs for them both. The p-64 was worst but still within limits. I did manage to dent my thumb knuckle with my hi-cap makarov, and that guns kicks pretty good,too. The guy who suggested the bigger grips has a good idea but it might compromise the small size of the p-64 and hence it's best feature.
The wood grips on the P-64 don't increase its width or handle length. They only add a hump at the rear to make it fit your hand better. It has no effect on concealment whatsoever as the overall profile of the gun does not change. Get Marschal grips. You won't be sorry. I've got them on my Makarov and P-64. My father also has them on his P-64.

DesertFox
June 17, 2011, 12:45 AM
45-70 Thompson Contender. Several salvos through that hand cannon leaves even the most hardened recoil-insensitive ole bastards feelin' the sting. Seen a 45-70 derringer fly out of the shooter's hands and hit him square in the forehead. Another that is about impossible to fire (for me at least) is the AMT Backup in 38 Super. Trigger pull must be 100 pounds. That's pretty safe... I've shot 30-30 and plenty of other rifle calibers in the Contender but the 45-70 is brutal.

vellocet
June 17, 2011, 12:59 AM
thank you for the reply, wardenwolf. i bought two of those polish pistols(why not?) both old style with the bobbed hammers. i'm going to wrap some rubber friction tape around the bottom grip of one to puff it out and if its real different when shot i'll get those grips.

exavid
June 17, 2011, 11:43 PM
Ruger flat top Blackhawk .44 magnum. The thing managed to cut me on the web of my thumb just about every time I fired it. The factory grip was nearly impossible, tapering so much toward the top the revolver always twisted upward in my hand no matter what I did. I owned this gun for about three months in '63 and replaced it with a brand new S&W Model 29 .44 magnum for which I paid the princely sum of $150. Totally different experience, the S&W wasn't difficult or unpleasant at all to shoot.

toivo
June 18, 2011, 12:17 AM
My S&W 340PD with full house .357 mag loads is quite painful.
I can imagine. A guy at my club had one that he let me shoot. I shot a few rounds of .38 +P, and then he asked me if I wanted to try some .357 in it. I declined his gracious offer. :o

hey_poolboy
June 18, 2011, 12:37 AM
This has to be the most painful one I've ever shot. Just hurts my wrists and the palm of my hand thinking about it.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/zoom_lg/163500_01_lg.jpg

Don't think I would shoot one again given the chance.

Shadow 7D
June 18, 2011, 03:41 AM
Read an interesting 'gun funny' story one time on a thread that minority diverted from 'why do guys give big gun to little girls'

Guy talked about one of his 'shooting buddies' lighting off a 45-70 derringer, seems most everybody else said he was crazy, or at least use a light load, NOPE he had to do a Buffalo Bore...

They said he got most of his ROM back after the Physical Therapy, but he's a 'bit' recoil sensitive since they had to pin and screw his shattered wrist back together.

Snowdog
June 18, 2011, 04:09 AM
I actually like shooting the X-frame .460 Magnum and .500 Magnums from the 8 3/4" barrels whenever I get the time (neither are mine). I reload the .460 for a buddy who provides the materials. In return, I'm welcome borrow the beast whenever I feel the need for something "blasty".

The bark/blast to recoil ratio on either isn't too bad, IMO. In a shorter, lighter platform without the benefit of a brake, I'm sure that would change pretty quick.

jleyring
June 18, 2011, 04:40 AM
Ruger Blackhawk 44 mag. It is a bear to shoot.

SpodWo
June 18, 2011, 09:26 PM
Just got back from putting 50 rounds through my P64. Nope. Not that painful. Not pleasent but not that bad. Shot my Kahr PM9 also. Amazing little pistol. The 9mm cartridge is a baby in the Kahr compared to the P64 in 9X18 Mak...

I did note that I put a Handall Jr. Small size grip sleeve on the P64. It does help for those that don't like the slap/snap.

csa77
June 18, 2011, 10:31 PM
my brothers darringer, 38 special. grips is so small it fits 2 fingers. counting the one on the trigger.

i dont know if it kicks harder then my 340pd but it sure hurts more

RugerMcMarlin
June 18, 2011, 11:49 PM
...........

ActionJax
June 19, 2011, 01:04 AM
See ... diff'rent strokes. I thought the Kahr P380 and the S&W Bodyguard 380 were fine -- recoil ok, comfy trigger, etc. but HATED the LCP -- thing bit me and shoved me more than the other two combined.

Just goes to show -- ya gotta shoot one BEFORE you buy one!!!!


Of course neither is as comfy as my Sig P229 .... :)

Claude Clay
June 19, 2011, 01:18 AM
K-t p-40...4 or 5 shots and returned it the next day
baby glock in 40...same as K-t.....

a suggestion for those suffering the 642

try changing your grip to where the web of your strong hand is right at the very part where the frame curves over to the 'rear' site. said another way is to hold the gun low in the left hand and gasp it by moving your right hand down onto the gun/grip. it makes for a different and somewhat awkward wrist angle but for firing from the waist it is near perfect. so practice your snap shots--its a belly gun, right?

gordy
June 19, 2011, 03:25 PM
I have a S&W 642 and a kel-tec 380 and I have no problems with them.
Reload for them both and have +p's for the 38 and right at 1,000 fps in the 380. Have shot 158gr 357 hydra shocks out of a 340pd. Not to bad.
Now my davis derringer in 38sp. that littel bugger will let you know when it goes off.

DriderX
June 19, 2011, 09:08 PM
I actually like shooting the X-frame .460 Magnum and .500 Magnums from the 8 3/4" barrels whenever I get the time (neither are mine). I reload the .460 for a buddy who provides the materials. In return, I'm welcome borrow the beast whenever I feel the need for something "blasty".

The bark/blast to recoil ratio on either isn't too bad, IMO. In a shorter, lighter platform without the benefit of a brake, I'm sure that would change pretty quick.
Due to wrist injuries (both wrists crushed in a road accident) I'm very sensitive to handgun recoil. But after trying to stick with .22s and other very low recoil pistols, I found (by just trying it) that I can shoot an S&W XVR revolver .460 Magnum.

I started out shooting the XVR revolver with .45 Colt loads, which in that massive revolver feel like pop-gun loads. Eventually worked up to full-power .460 Magnum loads and found that the mass of the revolver (started with an 8 -3/8", now have a 5") and the large muzzle brake make the .460 monster-killer loads quite manageable in those revolvers. My palm surface still stings a bit after one or two cylinders, but the true recoil (up-snap and back-whack) are so tamed that even my busted-up wrists can deal with it. Amazing.

Since then I've also found that I can fire a Ruger 4" Redhawk in .44 Magnum, no muzzle brake of any kind. Once I had the confidence of being able to handle the huge .460 Mag I had the confidence to try the .44 Ruger and found that if I allow the gun to recoil as it wants (for a bit) it doesn't hurt my wrist. So now instead of trying to death-grip the .44 Ruger, I "roll with it" a bit, let it push me a bit on recoil (but still ending in a short, controlled recoil), then it doesn't hurt. Live and learn.

Most unpleasant recoil for me: Steyr M40 40S&W auto. Wonderful pistol all around, but the sharp (very raked) grip angle cocks my wrists in such an angle that it really hurts when the pistol recoils up and back. Just a quirk of that pistol on my particular wrist, I think.

No one asked :), but here's my most pleasant serious-caliber pistol to shoot: Sig P250 9mm. That pistol is a *dream* to shoot. Everything about it is light and easy: Cocking, working the slide, soft recoil, buttery-smooth trigger, even the mag release is a very easy action. Every time I fire a clunky-feeling pistol (my latest: a Walther PPS) I wish I could send them my P250 (I have several in various calibers and configs) and say to them, "Here, do it like this!"

(And no, I have no connection with Sig of any kind. But since we've all been talking about the worst, for balance I thought I had to say something about what for me is the best. I just don't like to feel like a whiner ~.)

DRiderX

itsallgood
July 25, 2011, 11:17 PM
S&W 340PD with full magnum loads. I will usually put 50 38 sp, 5 38+p and 5 magnums through it at a session.

jfrey
July 26, 2011, 12:11 AM
Cor-Bon +p loads in a .45 LC Ruger revolver. Just a itty bitty step below a .454 Casull. I would think a .375JDJ in a Thompson Contender would wake you up too.

Dr.Rob
July 26, 2011, 12:13 AM
The .454 was more than I could stand, but that was nothing comapred at an Encore in .30-06.

10X
July 26, 2011, 01:07 PM
A 2 1/2" Python full weight loads with the small grips tears up my hand badly.

With large grips it is OK. Either way I quit shooting it, it is no fun.

MidwestRookie
July 26, 2011, 01:31 PM
Of the guns I've shot its a tie between the xd45 and bersa thunder...the 45 might have hurt more with the cheap plastic grip safety digging into my hand.

Zerodefect
July 26, 2011, 03:48 PM
The most painful I have shot was the Kahr P380 I used to own. Shooting .45's are much more comfortable.

WHAT? My noisey cricket Kahr P380 is gutless!!!!! Hardly any noticeable recoil at all. I only shoot it one handed.



My vote goes towards the S&W M&P 340 revolver with .357 Magnums.

Dentite
July 26, 2011, 05:45 PM
The wood grips on the P-64 don't increase its width or handle length. They only add a hump at the rear to make it fit your hand better. It has no effect on concealment whatsoever as the overall profile of the gun does not change. Get Marschal grips. You won't be sorry. I've got them on my Makarov and P-64. My father also has them on his P-64.

The original Marschals do actually add length (the wood hangs over the bottom of the frame) and width (both in the width from L-R and front-to-back). It's probably impossible to make the wood as thin as the plastic as even the thicker wood grips still have had some fracture problems in the rear part of the grips.

Now he did make some shorter grips that do not length more recently that are more like the length of the stock plastic grips.

This view shows the wood is extended beyond the frame:
http://www.marschalgrips.com/hires-p64/lo256/radom-p64-walnut-closeups-09.JPG

Not trying to be a jerk...just thought I'd pass the info on to anyone who might find it helpful.

doc540
July 26, 2011, 06:01 PM
maybe not the most painful

but of all of mine it was the least fun:o

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Model%20360/Snubs006-1.jpg

Don't even wanna imagine what .357 felt like.

as for semi's

this little booger is like getting frogged in the web of your hand
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/FEG%20PA-63/DSCN3845-1.jpg

chhodge69
July 26, 2011, 06:10 PM
Mil-spec 1911's bite me in the web of my thumb - I bleed every time I shoot one.

benderx4
July 26, 2011, 08:52 PM
Walther PPK - loves to take a bite out of your hand!

HammerheadSSN663
July 26, 2011, 11:56 PM
Charter Arms Bulldog in 44mag.

Well not me but the dude that had it Im sure would agree.

Was showing it off as a new gun, went down range, shot it one time, then came up to me on his way out and asked if I'd be interested in buying it! He says, "Man it shoots awesome!!"

lol

Horvath819
July 27, 2011, 12:01 AM
Kel-tec PF9 hurts me the most. Snaps very hard shocking my entire arm and has very sharp edges on the grip that tears up your hand eventually. Not to mention I have to wrap my trigger finger in tape to keep it from giving me a nasty blister.

Red October
July 27, 2011, 01:03 PM
Picked up a S&W Night Watch 7-shot 386 with a 6" barrel (Scandium L-Frame, I think). Wonderful when shooting .38 specials (even +P). Not so much when shooting .357 magnums. Really kills the web of my hand. It has rubber grips, but they don't cover the backstrap at the top of the grip, so you don't get any cushion there.

antiquus
July 27, 2011, 01:15 PM
Ejecting cases more than 30' is a sure sign or a worn out recoil spring, so as many have mentioned replace it. I had a similar problem with a PA-63, and the recoil spring fixed it, a new hammer spring fixed the trigger pull, it turned out to be a great carry piece.

Boompa
July 28, 2011, 10:33 AM
HATED my Keltec P3!! About 3 clips and it got traded away. Lots of other funs that don't bother me from Super Redhawks to Kahr .40 to S&W642- but that P3 was miserable!!

carbuncle
July 28, 2011, 12:09 PM
My least favorite guns to shoot, in order:
Walther PPK-the one I shot was like getting hit in the palm with a ball peen hammer repeatedly.
Taurus 85 with 158 grain +P ammo-I felt good carrying it but I sure didn't shoot it often.
Last...the Sig P239 in 9mm-somethin was just off about that gun, the ergos don't work for me and I found it very unpleasant to shoot.

Four_Speed
July 28, 2011, 11:27 PM
Heard about the S&W scandium 44 by a great story teller. Probably hurt me more than him.

1KPerDay
July 29, 2011, 12:30 AM
Seecamp .380. Ouch.

Pancho
July 29, 2011, 12:21 PM
Ladysmith 357. Trigger guard punished my middle finger. Not bad at all using 38 special.

Shanester66
July 29, 2011, 03:17 PM
A stronger recoil spring will definately help, Wolff sells an extra power which I'm going to get the next time I make out an order for springs. The stock springs are about as stiff as the Makarov, however, the slide is so much more slenderly contoured it doesn't have the mass to really buffer the power of the 9mm Mak round.

I really do like the pistol, I consider it quite a value at the $139 or so dollars I paid for it. It looks to have seen very little use, and is very well made. I like the chrome lining in the bore, this seems to be standard to a lot of eastern block guns. I wish more US made guns had it. I really haven't fired a lot of rounds out of it, but those that I have, it's been 100% reliable, the sights are right on, and it seems to be very accurate (I haven't benched it on paper yet, but it'll whack pop cans easily at 25 yards.
My LCP used to shoot shells out like that....switch the recoil spring and it helped a lot.

Shanester66
July 29, 2011, 03:19 PM
Walther PPK/S can be a bit of a slide biter at times and thats not a picnic. Im not really bothered by recoil for the most part.

StrutStopper
July 30, 2011, 12:35 AM
Shot a buddies T/C Contender in .35 Rem. Now, I have a Marlin 336 in .35 and should have realized exactly how much a pistol chambered in .35 would kick, but I threw common sense out the window and had a moderate case of scope-eye... I suppose that would be the most painful pistol I've shot if only due to my brain fart

just in joy
July 30, 2011, 12:58 AM
I know I know off topic but the most pain ful is the one that shoots better than my own. I hate to shoot a buddies gun better than my own pistols.

but other than that my 380 SW small grip is a PITA

MyGreenGuns
July 30, 2011, 09:33 PM
A lot of REVOLVERS in this autoloader forum. I guess he didnt specify.

I'm adding +1 to Ruger LCP .380 as I have more problems with little guns than big ones.

My bro carries one. Its engraved and very pretty. But I have big hands and this little guy loves to bite me. I also can't hold it very well and seems to kick back into the web of my hands. Its got such a skinny profile its putting all the pressure on a tiny point, thats what gets me!

I was surprised to see the .500 SW! I love that one and could shoot it all day, wallet willing.

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