1911 CCO Dilemma....


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xmanpike
June 13, 2011, 06:33 PM
I've been thinking over this awhile and know that I want a 1911 With a commander slide on an officer frame for CCW. I'e narrowed it down to two...

Dan Wesson CCO

Fusion Fireamrs CCO

The fusion is a couple hundred more, but I've heard excellent things about Bob Serva and know he used to be president of Dan Wesson actually.

Any thoughts? Any guns I might be leaving out in the $1600~ price range?

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rellascout
June 13, 2011, 07:08 PM
Look at the Colt CCO.

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad255/ls2l92400/TaloCCO.jpg

Bob Serva can make great guns but there have been quiet a few reports that he had put out some lemons because of the size and capacity limits of his shop. A lot of these reports were from about 12 months ago. At that time I stopped considering his shop. Things might have improved.

The Dan Wesson is a nice gun in its own right. It would be a fine choice.

Zerodefect
June 13, 2011, 07:16 PM
If you want a regular CCO get the DW. If you have special order needs that you can't address yourself, then place a custom order with Fusion. Just keep in mind it's a 16 month wait, at least the last time I heard.

If you want to go Fusion, then see if he'll make you a monolithic style full slab sided slide and full length dust cover with the sights of your choice. Those feel awesome in the hand. And if your into Kydex, modding holsters to fit the nose of a monolith is easy.

Like this :p:

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=240789

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=321162

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=307948

ranburr
June 13, 2011, 07:44 PM
Dan Wesson or a Springfield Compact. I have the Springfield. Though not my favorites, you could look at a Kimber Compact or a Sig.

WC145
June 13, 2011, 08:01 PM
My off duty piece is a Fusion 9mm CCO, it's helluva gun.
They're worth the wait and the money and Fusion's customer service is second to none. When you call Colt or Nighthawk or Dan Wesson or Baer or Springfield or Kimber or any of the other 1911 manufacturers does the owner answer the phone? Bob Serva does.
And I think the current wait is in the 8-10 month range.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-UUuAanWJBTY/TMHvVFp7efI/AAAAAAAACXQ/F_98Fn_PvpY/s720/Scott%252520H%2525209mm%252520CCO%2525202-tone-2.jpg

9mmepiphany
June 13, 2011, 09:26 PM
When you call Colt or Nighthawk or Dan Wesson or Baer or Springfield or Kimber or any of the other 1911 manufacturers does the owner answer the phone?
Les answered the phone the last time I called

EAJ
June 13, 2011, 11:05 PM
Great looking Fusion and Colt CCO's. :)

Here's a 09 CZ DW CCO, #26 off the assembly line. ;)

http://www.fishkind.com/collection/images/dwcco1911_06.jpg

1858
June 14, 2011, 02:00 AM
Any thoughts?

I have a question. The Dan Wesson CCO Bobtail is only available with an aluminum frame, so would you choose that option if you ordered a Fusion CCO? I ask because the standard CCO frame is steel. Just curious.

For those in the know, is a CCO really that much easier to conceal than a commander sized 1911 with a decent bobtail, e.g. Ed Brown Special Forces Carry or Dan Wesson V-Bob?

Apocalypse-Now
June 14, 2011, 02:34 AM
is that colt cco still in production? haven't seen one in a while. how much do they usually cost? thanx :)

Jed Carter
June 14, 2011, 05:06 AM
Carry what you like, but 2K on a CCW seems like a waste of money to me, but I did consider it once. I now carry a box stock SIG RCS 1911, I may change the grips someday. Nitron finish wears well, has Novak tritium night sights, shoots fantastic and has worked everytime so far around 2000 rounds since Sept 2010. All this for around $850, it ain't purty, it's a tool, just a tool.

Winkman822
June 14, 2011, 08:50 AM
For a couple hundred bucks more than the Dan Wesson, I'd say take a good hard look at a Les Baer Stinger. It'll be about a 4 to 6 month wait on the build, but absolutely worth it. If you can swing the price tag, I'd HIGHLY recommend a Wilson CQB Compact (my EDC) or a Nighthawk T3...absolute top of the line in the CCO pattern, though the Wilson isn't a true Commander top end.

rellascout
June 14, 2011, 10:05 AM
For those in the know, is a CCO really that much easier to conceal than a commander sized 1911 with a decent bobtail, e.g. Ed Brown Special Forces Carry or Dan Wesson V-Bob?

I have a MK IV Colt CCO which is current at Wild West Guns being customized and I find that the CCO is much easier to conceal because of the officers sized grip. For me the slide is not hard to conceal IWB. It is the grip that is the issue. So the officers sized grip helps esp in the warmer months.

Winkman822
June 14, 2011, 10:23 AM
I have a question. The Dan Wesson CCO Bobtail is only available with an aluminum frame, so would you choose that option if you ordered a Fusion CCO? I ask because the standard CCO frame is steel. Just curious.

For those in the know, is a CCO really that much easier to conceal than a commander sized 1911 with a decent bobtail, e.g. Ed Brown Special Forces Carry or Dan Wesson V-Bob?
The CCO platform is absolutely easier to conceal than a Commander or Government due to the shortened grip. If you want bonus points on the CCO platform, try a Wilson Combat CQB Compact with a round butt treatment that rounds off the butt of the gun though not as extreme as an Ed Brown Bobtail.

Madcap_Magician
June 14, 2011, 10:43 AM
is that colt cco still in production? haven't seen one in a while. how much do they usually cost? thanx

The pictured one is a Talo CCO build by Colt that is currently in production.

It has an officer's frame and a commander slide, with a S&A (I think) beavertail grip safety with palm swell, national match barrel,Talo custom grips, and 1991A1-style three-dot sights. The slide is marked "Colt Commander," not "CCO" or "Concealed Carry Officers," and is probably made from standard commander slides.

They're running about $1100 on gunbroker.

Dave T
June 14, 2011, 04:26 PM
The pictured one is a Talo CCO build by Colt that is currently in production.

It has an officer's frame and a commander slide, with a S&A (I think) beavertail grip safety with palm swell, national match barrel,Talo custom grips, and 1991A1-style three-dot sights. The slide is marked "Colt Commander," not "CCO" or "Concealed Carry Officers," and is probably made from standard commander slides.

They're running about $1100 on gunbroker.

Would I be correct in assuming this has the Series 80/90 firing pin safety?

Dave

ranburr
June 14, 2011, 05:01 PM
A bobtailed Commander conceals just as easily. I own and carry both styles.

xmanpike
June 14, 2011, 06:21 PM
Thanks for all the input guys. I used to own a full size Gold Cup and found that the grip was definitely what I had trouble concealing hence my decision to go with the officers size frame.

Zerodefect
June 14, 2011, 07:08 PM
When you call Colt or Nighthawk or Dan Wesson or Baer or Springfield or Kimber or any of the other 1911 manufacturers does the owner answer the phone?
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Keith from DW is frequently on 1911forum.com in the DW thread. You can get a hold of him easy, just leave a voicemail for him at DW and when he gets to your call.......
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=320711

Dave Severns (Severns Custom) is often found in the DW threads with great reviews and comparisons.
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=321173

I know someone from LesBaer is in the LesBaer forum, but I forget his name.

Not too hard to get in touch with someone important at most of the more expensive 1911 companies.



Kimber or Springy......forget it. CNC robots build those guns, and unless your a quart of oil, CNC mills aren't very good for conversation. But if you do get ahold of a human, or someone allmost human, you can expect scripted responses like a Dell Computer support desk, give or take the Indian accent.

bullturkey
June 14, 2011, 08:55 PM
How about a double stack CCO? Para P-13, works for me.

ranburr
June 15, 2011, 01:10 AM
Double stack 1911s simply are not reliable enough for carry. The one exception seems to be the Wilson Spec Ops 9mm.

Madcap_Magician
June 15, 2011, 10:52 AM
Would I be correct in assuming this has the Series 80/90 firing pin safety?


Yes.

bullturkey
June 15, 2011, 08:14 PM
Ranbur, In what way are they not reliable? My p-13 works as well as any 1911 I have owned, and better than some. An Auto Ordnance comes to mind.

ranburr
June 16, 2011, 02:08 AM
Bullturkey,

Try taking a Para or even an STI and run it hard in a class and see how quickly they go down.

bullturkey
June 16, 2011, 07:26 PM
How do they go down? What breaks? You have spiked my curiosity. Do you have facts or are these isolated personal observations? I am not trying to start anything but I am always amazed at peoples blanket condemnation of a product with limlted information. Glocks suck, Sig is not what it used to be. If I were a newbie I would believe that nothing short of a 2000 dollar 1911 is the only thing that I should use for personal protection.

Red Cent
June 16, 2011, 07:57 PM
Bullturkey, you had better go price some Nighthawks. Lordy. I would have to sell a Colt-Sauer (not!!).

xmanpike
June 16, 2011, 08:10 PM
I'm still torn....Seems like both are fine guns. The wait time on the Fusion might be the deciding factor.

CDW4ME
June 17, 2011, 08:41 AM
I've not seen the Fusion, but I really like the look of the Dan Wesson CCO.
The Dan Wesson CCO seems to have everything just right.

Not one of your choices, but I've got a Kimber Compact CDP that has a officers frame and 4'' barrel / slide, so it is a CCO in size.

ranburr
June 17, 2011, 04:22 PM
Bull turkey,

The weak link is in double stack mags in the 1911 platform. You can get good single stack 1911s all day for less than $1k.

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