CZ ....the finest 9mm known to man


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orangeninja
January 16, 2004, 11:29 PM
I have had the pleasure of owning several CZs in the last few months....the 75B, the PCR and the P01...I am trading off the P01 and sold the 75B...but not because I didn't love them...only because I can't carry a 9mm on duty anywhere and I use a .40. Guys just a suggestion from a fellow shooter who loves to shoot.

The CZ is a wierd name brand that not many people know about but they are the most accurate out of the box 9mm manufactured...including Sig, Glock, HK etc.

The ergonomics and trigger is the stuff dreams are made.

The sights have a crappy filling in them, but they are easily painted in and for those who like the "crisp" SA, you still wont like the creep of a DA, but you may like the CZ SA.

This may sound like an advertisement for CZ....but I trust my life to them...I will always keep my PCR....besides, if someone else knew of somthing this good that was in this price range I would feel robbed not knowing about it.

Good shooting.:)

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HogRider
January 16, 2004, 11:42 PM
I agree, that the CZs are absolute jewels, specially when considered their price. As being the finest 9mm know to man.... well I know some others I would rather have. :D

tomkatz
January 16, 2004, 11:55 PM
I have to agree, the czs I own are as good if not better than any other gun out there, the low cost is just an added bonus ;) ......tom

Brigrat
January 17, 2004, 12:33 AM
I saw finest 9mm known to man and mistook this for a Ruger thread. Sorry guys, I'll leave your CZ post now ;) :D

Frenchy
January 17, 2004, 12:52 AM
Well!...There's no doubt in my mind that the CZ is the finest 9mm. known to you, alduro. :D
Nothing wrong with waving the flag for your favorite pistol.

Andrew Wyatt
January 17, 2004, 02:00 AM
I'm trying to figure out what all this CZ talk is doing in a browning Hi power thread.

45R
January 17, 2004, 02:47 AM
http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/P226TWO-TONEBIGHR.jpg

Nuff said :)

BamBam-31
January 17, 2004, 03:22 AM
Have to agree with the last two posters, Andrew a little more. ;)

Never shot a 210 or a 9mm 1911, to be fair, but the BHP and Sig 226 are pretty darn good, IMHO. My buddy's CZ feels nice in my hand and shoots accurately, but I'm not too crazy about the trigger. Makes me concentrate more.

PCRCCW
January 17, 2004, 08:44 AM
You guys need to talk to the people who sold their HK's and Sigs to get PCR/PO1's.

Sure the 75B isnt a 210....NO ONE will say that, in regards to accuracy.
But Ive had a couple that would "rival" a good 210 in ANY shooters hands.

Ill have to agree that Sigs and indeed, BHP's are stellar weapons. But you guys are gonna have to admit CZ's are coming up in the market in reputation and (bummer) price too. They will be sold right next to and along with the best guns in the world.

Ive got a couple of CZ's Ill still put against anything you guys want to show up with for a comparison. You may not walk away from the range a total convert......but youll walk away smiling and youll walk away impressed!

Shoot well...................

clipse
January 17, 2004, 10:06 AM
I could not be any happier with my CZ 75 P-01. It is deffinately my favorite firearm.


clipse

Pilot
January 17, 2004, 11:23 AM
I agree. My PCR is one of the last pistols I would sell. The 75B and the Kadet Kit, would also be tough to get rid of. They are fantastic. I passed up Sigs and HK's to get these and its got nothign to do with price as I have several other much more expensive guns, but none "better".

PCRit
January 17, 2004, 11:58 AM
Ditto on the PCR being one of the best 9's going. Can't wait to bring home his little brother, the RAMI, in about 4 weeks :D

orangeninja
January 17, 2004, 12:05 PM
you can't take the word of a guy named "Frenchy" when it comes to combat tools..haha.

Frenchy
January 17, 2004, 12:21 PM
you can't take the word of a guy named "Frenchy" when it comes to combat tools..haha.

I think I've been insulted...........:D

Baron Holbach4
January 17, 2004, 12:29 PM
Alduro, arguably, the CZ 9mm pistols are the best in the world for the money. Sigs and HKs cost at least $200 more and are not that much better. However, my favorite CZ is the model 83 in .380. With its fixed barrel, I can shoot groups that match the accuracy of my Kimber Stainless Target II .38 super, which cost nearly three times as much.

Prodigalshooter
January 17, 2004, 12:30 PM
I really like my CZs, but I wouldn't rank them higher than Browning or Sig, but they are for sure the equal of those guns!;)

keederdag
January 17, 2004, 12:34 PM
I'm coming around, but here's my gripes.
#1 the Trigger: it's short in leanght, I feel like my finger will slip off the end!
#2. The sight's, most examples I have shot, the Front is too short and the rear is too high!!!! This seems to be an eastern Euope thang????
#3 Pointability, it just points kinda akward for me, my other 9mm's; sig's, BHP's, Walther's, S&w's seemed to have spent much more time in this dept. With the BHP being the most similar to the CZ.

All that said, I am very excited to see the RAMI. Dunno If I'll scoop one up, but it has some very appealing features. Like the internal slide lock, and the traditional DA/SA mode of op.:D

inventory0297
January 17, 2004, 02:19 PM
They are without doubt fine guns, but the finest 9mm known to man? Nay, for production guns that would have to be the p210 with the P7M8 close behind.

Course you could have five or so CZ's for one p210.......

Bill Hook
January 17, 2004, 02:42 PM
Finest gun in their price range, perhaps. Still, is a Mercedes THAT much better than a Honda? Reliability stats say otherwise. A CZ is certainly a better value than a P210 and would seem to have an edge in most combat scenarios.

George Hill
January 17, 2004, 03:10 PM
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Walt Sherrill
January 17, 2004, 03:12 PM
A CZ is certainly a better value than a P210 and would seem to have an edge in most combat scenarios.I have a bunch of CZs. I had a P-210-6.

The only "edge" the CZ has over the P-210 is mag capacity and the CZ push-button mag release.

In every other respect, including reliability, the P-210 is arguably superior. Not that CZs are bad. And the P-210 is unquestionably more accurate. The mag capacity (8) and the European-style mag release take some getting used to -- I never did. (I didn't really try all that hard.) The only reason I don't still have a P-210 is that I needed a drive-to-work-vehicle more than I needed a fine-quality handgun, and my P-210-6, extra mags, and a collectible Luger paid for most of a 5-year old pickup.)

If you have limited funds, there is no question that the CZ is a lot of gun for the money. But if money is NOT an issue, then the P-210 is worth another look. My P-210-6 (6=match trigger) came with a factory proof target showing a 1.75" group at 50 meters (roughly 55 yards.) Few CZs will touch that. (The P-210 is, in effect, a hand-made gun, hand-fitted throughout the production proces. That, more than anything, accounts for the higher price.)

Will I ever have another P-210? Probably not -- as I don't have any surviving relatives likely to leave me enough to buy one, and I'm sure not going to buy it myself.

But I do have a custom CZ-75B SA, purchased from another forum member, and in most practical respects, it performs on a par with my now-sold P-210-6. Even the trigger is as good. And out to 20 yards, it seems to be so close in accuracy that I don't miss the P-210 at all. (Beyond 20 yards, I found the P-210 easier to shoot well than any other gun I've tried. I can't explain why, but at a plate match, for example, it was clearly and obviously a superior weapon.)

Is the CZ a great value? Without a doubt.

Is it as good as other sub-$1,000 guns. I think so. But I've shot some SIG P-22Xs recently, tuned by Rob Latham, that were absolutely amazing!

Am I going to sell my CZs and get a Latham-tuned SIG? No. CZs "point" better for me than any gun I've handled. I'll stick with them.

Are they the best 9mm going? No. But they're pretty damned good. And for the money, few guns do it better.

Sean Smith
January 17, 2004, 03:53 PM
CZ ....the finest 9mm known to man

Hyperbole. And not very well-informed hyperbole either. ;)

cratz2
January 17, 2004, 04:28 PM
Yeah... phrases like 'finest... known to man' are easily tossed around and if it is meant to be humorous, it's fine...

The CZs and EAAs are very nice guns for the price... Actually, I'd probably say they're outstanding for the price. Two CZs or one SIG. Two CZs or one HP... Or more importantly, getting a single CZ when you have half as much money as you need for the HP... :p

CZs... great value... not quite the finest known to man. ;)

Frenchy
January 17, 2004, 04:56 PM
CZs... great value... not quite the finest known to man.

In alduro's opinion it is! And as long as it's his opinion, no one should have a problem with it...His opinion, that is! :)

Peter M. Eick
January 17, 2004, 05:22 PM
I am glad you are happy with your cz 9mm.

I disagree with your statement. My 210-6 is by far a better 9mm for trigger, accuracy and function then and CZ I have seen. My 210-5 is better in all aspects but handleing. That extra barrel length gets in the way when moving quickly.

I suggest you try shooting some 210's and see if you still stand by your opinions...

doubleclaw
January 17, 2004, 05:44 PM
Hello, all! I'm new here, and I just HAD to put my .02 cents in about 9mm pistols. Everybody here has a preference one way or another, and every one of the pistols mentioned so far are great guns, so here's my contribution to the thread: I love my Beretta 92FS Inox. It's never jammed in the six years i've had it, it will digest any kind of ammo I choose to put in it, it's very ergonomic(for me, anyway), it's dead sexy and stylish(kinda like the Italian suit of the gun world, y'know?), well-made with excellent fit and finish, accurate and just plain neat-o.

albanian
January 17, 2004, 06:17 PM
Things that make the statement: "CZ ....the finest 9mm known to man" false.

1. The DA trigger is way too long for many shooter's fingers.

2. The SA trigger is not even average, I have seen better triggers on guns costs much less so CZ is doing something wrong.

3. The black plastic coating on many CZ-75s is cheap and ugly.

4. The insides look like they were machined by drunk monkeys. Compared to a SIG or a Beretta, the insides look crude.

5. They are quite heavy for a 9mm.

Don't get me wrong, they are good guns and great deals but if they were as good as SIG and Beretta, they would cost as much as SIG and Beretta. SIG and Beretta make better guns. You might not like the ergos of those guns as much but they are better.

Walt Sherrill
January 17, 2004, 06:28 PM
Re:

DA Trigger is way too long for some hands. Very true.

SA Trigger is not even average. That has not been my experience with a bunch of them.

The black plastic coating on many CZ-75s is cheap and ugly. I don't think its BEAUTIFUL, but its OK. And its very, very durable. And far less subject to minor scratching than a blued finish. The SIG and GLOCK finishes are practical, too, but not really pretty. Deep scratches are a problem for the Polycoat finish -- but if you scratch it badly enough to deep mar the polycoat, imagine what it would have done to a nice blued finish.

The insides look like they were machined by drunk monkeys. Compared to a SIG or a Beretta, the insides look crude. Not as pretty as SIGS or Beretta, it is true, but not as bad as your characterization. And if it made them shoot worse, I'd give a damn. (You been reading to much "Gun Test Magazine?" They make a fetish out of machining marks inside the slide.)

They are quite heavy for a 9mm. Depends entirely on the model. Some have alloy frames and aren't that heavy. Some have steel frames, which makes them feel like a Beretta. Some folks like the extra weight, as it makes recoil more manageable. (That's one of the pluses of the CZ-97B. And THAT gun's polycoat finish is very, very attractive.)

I like them. I also like SIGs, but shoot the CZ Better. I prefer CZs to Berettas. (I have yet to meet a Beretta trigger I really liked -- unless someone spent a fortune on a trigger job for that gun.)

CZF
January 17, 2004, 06:54 PM
Some folks do think that the CZ75 of old is the finest Combat 9mm.
Others adore the 75B and other CZ models.

I don't know anyone who actually carries a SIG P-210, but plenty of
guys who carry PCRs and other CZs on a daily basis.

The 75SA actually had better accuracy in HANDGUNS testing than the
new model P-210.

As for not being able to carry a 9mm for duty. Have you considered
the .40 caliber CZs? Yes, we need you on our team!

CZimply The Best!

tomkatz
January 17, 2004, 07:25 PM
IMO the sig guns have the worst finish I have ever seen on a gun in that pricerange. A friend just got his 239 back from Robar, he had it done because his stainless gun was all blotchy and he had never abused it. I don't take any better care of my czs than he does his sigs and mine look new, his look, well, lets just say not new. I like sigs alot, I have owned them, but finishes are not their strongsuit. Again, just my opinion.
As to triggers, what comparable gun that costs less than a cz has a better trigger? I ask because I don't really think there are comparable guns that cost less........tom

George Hill
January 17, 2004, 08:03 PM
Doubleclaw - Welcome to the family. Your Beretta 92 is indeed an excellent choice.
You will fit in just fine around here.

orangeninja
January 17, 2004, 08:55 PM
I thought I would kind of get a handle on the things a bit...."finest?" Now you would have to define that. Lets see....King Saul had a wonderful suit of armor that he tried to get David to wear. Probably one of the finest ever crafted by man. It was not so for David however as it was too big. In fact, courage, faith and the knowledge and skill with his chosen weapon made the leather sling and a rock the "finest" weapon for him.

I am very good with a CZ...and though I MIGHT be able to shoot a 210 Sig better, the idea of selling my truck to buy one just might discourage me from ever actually carrying all day. Thus it was not built for me. The mere fact that CZ is getting compaired to HK and the greatest Sig has to offer should get someone out there to take note....as a CZ can be readily had for less than 500 big ones....the others? Good luck. I guess the CZ would have to settle for just being the "best value" instead.

Great discussion though....Frenchy....glad to see people have a good sense of humor here, I respect that. :D

PCRCCW
January 17, 2004, 10:14 PM
A small reply................:D

1. The DA trigger is way too long for many shooter's fingers.
True.......some shooters Id say.

2. The SA trigger is not even average, I have seen better triggers on guns costs much less so CZ is doing something wrong.
Very few guns fit this criteria..more CZ's than not have excellent SA triggers. Ive had 14 of them, I know.

3. The black plastic coating on many CZ-75s is cheap and ugly.
Note even! Its a hell of alot tougher than any blue gun Ive had and many other finishes also.

4. The insides look like they were machined by drunk monkeys. Compared to a SIG or a Beretta, the insides look crude.
You need to get out more. Look at the inside of a PCR/PO1/CZ40 frame...it will show you what a Sig looks like on a good day.

5. They are quite heavy for a 9mm.
Funny, my PCR with 15 rnds of corbon is still around 31-32 oz. Given the 75's are a stout gun at 32 oz ...but not even compared to a 39oz 1911, thats the empty weight for both guns.

I guess all opinions are welcome.....I just dont have to agree with them!
:evil:

Shoot well.

Andrew Wyatt
January 17, 2004, 11:05 PM
I'm reasonably convinced that either 1. i'm way too picky on what fits my hand or 2. everyone else has sixteen foot tentacles for fingers.


even in single action, the CZ's i've handled have a pretty humongous LOP, and they're pert near twice as wide as my 1911, it feels like.

jdkelly
January 17, 2004, 11:11 PM
" I like them. I also like SIGs, but shoot the CZ Better. I prefer CZs to Berettas. (I have yet to meet a Beretta trigger I really liked -- unless someone spent a fortune on a trigger job for that gun.)"


Although the CZ might not be "the" finest 9mm handgun, I think Mr. Sherrill, above, and CZF below sum it up well.


"Some folks do think that the CZ75 of old is the finest Combat 9mm."



Respectfully,

jdkelly

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
January 18, 2004, 02:00 AM
Isn't this why they make chocolate, vanilla and strawberry?

I love my BHP and P229, but I love them for different reasons. Same for 1911's and CZ's. I love my kids and dogs equally, but for different reasons, too.

Regards,
Rabbit.

robctwo
January 18, 2004, 03:04 AM
I like my CZ75BD a lot. I shoot it with the Kadet Kit on it more than the 9mm. I have a BHP, Glock 17&34 and Sig 226 Sport Stock. The Sig is a step above the others, and cost $1,200, plus $200 for 4 15 round mags. The Cz cost $369 plus $160 for 4 15 round mags. It shoots as good as the BHP, $651 plus four South African mags for not remembered price, and the Glocks, aroud $500 each plus my oldest child for one high cap mag. The CZ is easlily the equal of the BHP & Glocks. It's different, but they are all different.

I carry the P0-1 in the fanny pack for personal protection all the times. I don't shoot it as well for groups at 25 yds, but I like the size & weight for carry and it is very accurate out to 15-20 yds.

I dressed the 75 & P0-1 up with Hakans. Really cool.

I just went nuts and bought a bunch of 9mm guns over the past two years and I'm loving it.

SirPorl
January 18, 2004, 03:05 AM
I can say that I love my CZs each and everyone. For me personally, they just point well for me and are just ergonomically about perfect for my hands. They shoot great too. All in all, a very good choice, but then again so are the Glocks, Sigs, HK and other more well known firearms. Like what you like and keep on shooting:)

Dobe
January 18, 2004, 03:10 AM
I've enjoyed my CZ 75 SA, but I too am not impressed with the trigger. It is long. You can watch the hammer move back as you pull the trigger. It is an accurate 9mm, especially for the price. I bought the CZ for the same reason that many others did and still do --- the price.

I recently purchased a nice 9mm range gun. Its a Kimber SS Target II. Man, that is a fun gun to shoot. I enjoy shooting my new Kimber, but I'll still keep my CZ.

alwims
January 19, 2004, 12:17 AM
I think it's really cool that the CZ is being compared to all 'high end' pistols and not middle of the road, (pricewise), pistols that they are. CZ & Witness for me!:D

Sven
January 19, 2004, 12:37 AM
CZ 75B is solid and a great value. Heavy and somewhat thick. I find it more fun to shoot than the Glock 17, esp. with the 22 conversion kit.

I do wish mine was slightly better fit, but then again I'm spoiled by a hand-fit 1911s.

On second thought, that looseness probably translates to battlefield reliability.

-s

Berg01
January 20, 2004, 10:04 AM
I have a Sig P228 9mm and a CZ 75B in .40S&W; when I first got the CZ, I wasn't sure I would like it, and for a while I thought that I should have spent the extra money for a Sig P226 in .40. For a "heavy' gun, it balances well and fits my hand like a glove, so it doesn't feel heavy. Accuracy is excellent, and if I lay off the crappy (.40S&W) Value Pack ammo, reliability is very good.

But if I had to give up one of the two (and I don't, so I'm not), the Sig would be the keeper, since it just works better for me.

Russ
January 20, 2004, 12:48 PM
I got an 85 Combat a couple of years ago and I love it. Fit and finish is every bit as good as my 1980's BHP. Most gun shops around here don't carry them. I had to order mine and it was perfect. To me, they are the best value going. I like steel guns. Yes they are heavy but I don't carry it so its not a problem. They fit the bill for me. Berettas 92/96's feel like bricks in my hand. I know they are very nice guns but for me the CZ is a better choice.

albanian
January 20, 2004, 01:31 PM
"2. The SA trigger is not even average, I have seen better triggers on guns costs much less so CZ is doing something wrong.
Very few guns fit this criteria..more CZ's than not have excellent SA triggers. Ive had 14 of them, I know.

3. The black plastic coating on many CZ-75s is cheap and ugly.
Note even! Its a hell of alot tougher than any blue gun Ive had and many other finishes also.

4. The insides look like they were machined by drunk monkeys. Compared to a SIG or a Beretta, the insides look crude.
You need to get out more. Look at the inside of a PCR/PO1/CZ40 frame...it will show you what a Sig looks like on a good day.

5. They are quite heavy for a 9mm.
Funny, my PCR with 15 rnds of corbon is still around 31-32 oz. Given the 75's are a stout gun at 32 oz ...but not even compared to a 39oz 1911, thats the empty weight for both guns."

This is in response to the above response. :D

1. The CZ SA trigger on the CZ-75 and CZ-40 models is quite poor by anyone's standards. If you find the trigger to be wonderful, I know your level of knowledge. It varies from average to far below average and if that is O.K. with you, that is fine but I know better. There are many guns that come with better SA triggers than CZ.

2. I didn't say the coating wasn't tough, I said it was cheap and ugly. It is cheap, that is why they put it on. In my opinion it is ugly but that is not really a big deal.

3. "You need to get out more. Look at the inside of a PCR/PO1/CZ40 frame...it will show you what a Sig looks like on a good day." I had a CZ-40B and a SIG 220 and there is simply no comparison. BY you saying this, I think you loose a lot of credibility. It is clear you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about in this matter.

4. When I said they were heavy for a 9mm, I was talking about the CZ-75. I should have pointed that out but as this is the most popular model, I used the name CZ to mean the CZ-75 even though they make a lot of 9mms.

I am not a CZ hater! I like them. I was just pointing out some of the flaws that keep them from being "The finest 9mm known to man". I do think they deserve to be compared to the Glocks, Rugers, S&Ws, and H&Ks. I don't think they are quite up to Beretta and SIG standards but they give them a run for their money.

BHPshooter
January 20, 2004, 03:34 PM
:rolleyes: Round 2... *DING!* :uhoh:

tiberius
January 20, 2004, 03:58 PM
IMHO, the only thing seperating Ruger, S&W, Beretta, Sig, H&K, CZ, Glock, BHP double stack 9mm pistols is personal preference. I like the CZ 75's ergonomics and manual of arms.

My CZ-75B has a superior SA trigger when compared to my Sig 225. This is a fact, but I make no claims in regards to other Sigs and CZ's. :)

tomkatz
January 20, 2004, 04:11 PM
yes indeed round two it seems......

"2. The SA trigger is not even average, I have seen better triggers on guns costs much less so CZ is doing something wrong.

I will ask again, what guns are these that cost less than cz and have these great triggers. Not trying to start anything here I want to know, I may want to buy one, it must be something I have never seen or heard about.....tom

AnklePocket
January 20, 2004, 05:24 PM
My PCR is sitting in the shop right now waiting for "zhe papers". I'll let you know how good it is once it's set free.

Andrew Wyatt
January 20, 2004, 05:29 PM
IMHO, the only thing seperating Ruger, S&W, Beretta, Sig, H&K, CZ, Glock, BHP double stack 9mm pistols is personal preference.

if you dropped the ruger from that list (because it's not in the same ballpark as the others) and the BHP (because it's not a DA and is unfairly better than the others), then your statement makes sense.

tiberius
January 20, 2004, 06:15 PM
OK Andrew, I'm open to opinions. Why is the Ruger OBJECTIVELY "not in the same ballpark as the others" ?

I personally don't like them because they tend to be large for caliber and are aesthetically unpleasing, but these are SUBJECTIVE evaluations. There are many other pistols on my list that I have SUBJECTIVE bias against, but objectively I stand by my statement.

loudernhel
January 20, 2004, 08:20 PM
I'd just like to chime in here and add that Ford is better than Chevy.

Have a nice day.

Richard
January 20, 2004, 08:29 PM
Will a CZ75 hold it's own against a Glock, Browning High-Power, Sig, H&K etc? Probably but will it hold it's own against a Sig P210 or Walther P88? I am sorry to say no. The CZs are a lot of bang for the buck but they are not in a class with the best 9mm pistols. Regards, Richard :D

Walt Sherrill
January 20, 2004, 08:49 PM
But, then, not many guns will hold their own against a P-210. <grin>

Frenchy
January 20, 2004, 08:53 PM
Is this thread heading in any particular direction!!! :confused:

Majic
January 20, 2004, 08:58 PM
I think we have to excuse Alduro because he just learned of the CZ in the last few months. Either he's been asleep for almost 30 years or lived a sheltered life.
The CZ-75 was built as a service pistol meaning it is a holster pistol, not a hideout or target model. It wasn't built to the standards of the Sig 210, but as a mass produced pistol for a military application. It did lead the way and was coined the "Wondernine" that many pistols today make their mark as being. In fact most of the high cap pistols on the market today owe a lot of their existance to the acceptance of the CZ-75.
Is it the finest today? Most likely not, but "Granddad" can sit back and watch all his descendants run and play.

alwims
January 20, 2004, 09:04 PM
Geez, 3 pages and still going, I am impressed:neener:

Gary in Pennsylvania
January 20, 2004, 11:20 PM
I dunno. To me . . . . The most worthwhile thing said in this whole thread was said by SirPorl :

I can say that I love my CZs each and every one. For me, personally, they just point well for me and are just about ergonomically perfect for my hands.

AMEN! That's the truth buddy! My sentiments exactly . . . . which is why no matter WHAT other firearms I drool over (SA TRP's, P7M8's, P220's, Sphinx, etc...) the next $1,300 I'm spending will be on CZ's!

I'm a Hopeless CZ Junkie!:neener:

Hakan
January 21, 2004, 12:15 AM
To-Tone :)


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=741302


Regards,

Hakan.

Ankeny
January 21, 2004, 12:39 AM
I have a CZ 75B and I like the gun. The ergonomics are great and the gun shoots where I look. I shot a revolver for years so I am right at home with the trigger. I think it is a great gun for IDPA in stock service division and it also works just dandy for USPSA Production Division. They are awesome guns for the money.

Still, they can't compete with something like an STI Eagle in 9mm, or a custom 1911 along the lines of my Caspian Race Ready frame with an STI upper, Kart, barrel, etc.

Yeah, the CZ is a great gun, but best 9mm going?? That's a bit of a stretch.

PCRCCW
January 21, 2004, 08:39 AM
Ive seen videos of Ankeny shooting the CZ at steel plates and if you do better with a 1911 style gun "God help the guy your shooting at!"

How about this for a Summary. CZ's are great guns. They are not going to give the Sig 210 a run for accuracy king! But they do and will continue to give most other high end handguns a run for their money in all regards.

Shoot well................

orangeninja
January 21, 2004, 11:07 PM
"I think we have to excuse Alduro because he just learned of the CZ in the last few months. Either he's been asleep for almost 30 years or lived a sheltered life."

Actually I've been shooting for exactly 3 years. Before that I have to say that I was actually Anit-gun. Thats right folks....Second amendment ignorant. I was educated in a public school, during the Clinton Administration, went to college, during his second term...watched Waco with a lack of understanding....etc. Statements like what Majic has said above pretty much "confirm" the "good ol boy" mentality of shoot snobs that I have encountered when I decided maybe I was wrong and it was time to learn somthing new, after all, pointing out the ignorance of others is the best way to get them to see your point of view . This is not meant to be a flame. He actually has a point. I am too young to remember CZ....its been around longer than I have...I was turned on to CZ by 2 things. First, those who shoot the CZ and are enthusiastic have been nothing if not wonderfully open minded, and even put up with some wide eyed kid once in a while. Glock and Sig owners that I have spoken with have not been nearly so patient as to explain the finer points of the weapon. Secondly, the gun was affordable. I would go to the range and see stainless steel STIs with guys talking about how they dropped 2 grand etc...Yet a rookie such as myself was keeping pace with a 400 CZ. I am excited to learn of such a fantastic weapon however and don't readily hide my enthusiasm. There may be a new shooter out there who is thinking of getting somthing he can afford...I recommend the CZ Since shooting I have owned in the last 3 years.

Glock 22
Ruger P94 DAO
Springfield XD 9
Taurus 945
Taurus PT111
Taurus 92AF
Smith & Wesson 66
Taurus 85
Taurus 608
Taurus 605
Sig 239 9mm
Sig 220 .45
Sig Pro 2340 = 2 of them
CZ 75B in BOTH 9mm and .40
CZ P01
CZ PCR
Witness Compact .40
Witness full size 45

I also have trained with and carry a Sig 226 or 229 dependant upon mission.

I have shot countless guns...the CZ is the ONLY gun that has consistantly shot AND felt good. The Sigs I have shot have never had a problem and are accurate, even as accurate as a CZ in many respects, however the CZ just felt right. As it happens I am getting rid of all my CZs due to restrictions in carry on duty and therefore off duty. Its not somthing I like to do...:uhoh:

Either way....good thread, I was wondering if others felt as I do about this great gun.

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