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Shytheed Dumas
June 17, 2011, 09:34 AM
After losing about 30 lbs over the winter, I got into road cycling and have been trying to figure out the best way to carry while riding. In the beginning I was carrying my PM9 in an IWB holster, but got tired of it coming home all sweaty every day.

This morning I went out for my usual 21 mile ride and used a fanny pack for the first time. I'm normally not a fan of the fanny pack, but so far it seems like the best option.

So do any of you regular road cyclists carry, and if so what have you found to be the best option? Please be specific on your carry piece and type/brand of holster - I'm open to any ideas that work the best.

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dusty14u
June 17, 2011, 09:54 AM
For running or cycling I have found the fanny pack to work well. I carry either a commander sized 1911, Keltec PF9 or Ruger SP101. It doesn't look out of place with running or biking shorts since they have no pockets.

Daveboone
June 17, 2011, 10:00 AM
When I am bicycling, I may carry my J frame .38. Rather than have it in a chaffing waist band or fanny pack, I have a small under the seat pack that it fits in nicely. There are also similar packs for handle bars that may be accessed while riding. Another possiblity I have thought of is a Camel back hydration pack with a small storage area on it.

kbbailey
June 17, 2011, 10:05 AM
congrats on the shedding of lbs. I lost 42lbs myself 2yrs ago.....then kicked the nicotine habit and promptly gained 30lbs back. I'm working on getting rid of that now.

There's some interesting carry gear for hiking/biking/cycling ccw here:



http://www.maxpedition.com/?gclid=CNfDgJL_vKkCFQbCKgodRjWHeg

SleazyRider
June 17, 2011, 10:17 AM
First, congratulations on your weight loss. That is a significant accomplishment.

When I rode regularly, I was constantly threatened by dogs, and motorists who felt I had no business sharing the road with them. I wanted protection from both.

So I found a clever bag that Velcroed in place within the V created by the top tube and the seat tube. It put my Chief's Special right at my fingertips and held it securely. Danged if I can't remember the manufacturer, but it had something to do with kangaroos. I also kept a can of pepper spray in a convenient storage holster that was velcroed onto my top tube as well. Wind direction, however, is the name of the game when it comes to pepper spray, and it often is not in your favor. Keeping guns on my person never seemed to work for me. I even tried a neck knife, which I eventually found irritating.

Another option that I considered was strapping a holster into one of my two water bottle cages, concealed by a piece of Armaflex pipe insulation, but I abandoned this idea in favor of a common handlebar bag, which worked quite nicely. The advantage of the seat tube bag, however, was that it was dedicated only to holding my revolver.

SleazyRider
June 17, 2011, 10:21 AM
Here's one very similar: http://www.bicyclewarehouse.com/product/avenir-90-shoulder-frame-pack-9245.htm

Bwana John
June 17, 2011, 10:25 AM
I have thought of modifying a waterbottle cage to hold a holster.

You DONOT want to fall off the bike and land on the pistol.

PcolaDawg
June 17, 2011, 12:05 PM
I do some bicycling. Since I don't wear the very tight 'traditional' bikers shorts, I take either my J Frame 642 snubbie or my Bodyguard 380 and put it in the front pocket of the shorts I'm wearing.

bhk
June 17, 2011, 02:11 PM
My wife is a road biker and carries her model 60 in a Desantis fanny back worn in the front. Be sure to wear it in the front. You wouldn't want to crash and land on your back with the handgun there.

19-3Ben
June 17, 2011, 02:34 PM
Just a few years ago I was a bike racer, and I still ride a good amount.

Wearing lycra, it makes it really hard to hide a gun. I tried my LCP in a jersey pocket, but the gun is so heavy compared to the material that it would drag the neck of the jersey back and choke me. No way was I sticking it in my lycra shorts because it would just get sweated up to high heaven. I also didn't want the gun oil running out of the gun onto my legs or into the lycra and staining it up.
Oh, and I hate bibs, but if you wore a riding bib it would be even tougher.

My solution was to stick it in a saddle bag. I just got a bigger bag so that i could have my patch kit, bike tool, chews, gun, etc... all in the same bag. It takes a while to get to the gun, but if I need it, at least I've got it.
(Editing to add that I keep the LCP in a Desantis Nemisis pocket holster while in the saddle bag, and wedge it so that it could not possibly fall out of the holster, nor would it allow any of the other stuff in there to get in or near the trigger guard.)


I did find that a small pepper spray (my personal choice is the Kimber Pepper Blaster) does fit in a jersy pocket, is light enough not to drag, and at least gives me SOMETHING that I could use to defend myself RFN if necessary.

Boomie
June 17, 2011, 02:36 PM
Safepacker! (http://www.thewilderness.com/storepinnacle/index.php?p=catalog&parent=171&pg=1)

Shytheed Dumas
June 17, 2011, 03:16 PM
Thanks for all the weight loss congrats. All I can say is that it is something I should've done a looonng time ago. I haven't had any back pain at all since December, I feel 10 or more years younger, look better than I had in long time, and feel better all around. 100% worth it.

I've considered bike mounted bags, but I really can't see it as the best option... From what I've heard, the most common method of attacking/robbing a cyclist is to jump/crash him, rob him while he's down if there's anything to take, and then run off with the bike (and in that case your gun too).

Then there's the bike hating crazies. I ran into my first earlier this week, but it wasn't a huge deal. He was coming the other way on a deserted road and laid on the horn to try and scare me. Just stupid. Worse things can and do happen, though - The founder/CEO of Papa John's and a friend were attacked at random some years ago in Louisville by some dork in a car and landed one of them in the hospital. I've been annoyed by inconsiderate bikers in the past a few times, but I just cannot understand people who have such a general hatred that they are willing to commit feloneous assault and risk seriously injuring or killing cyclists at random...

I just watched the video on the Safepacker, and it looks like it might be an option worth considering - the only thing it's missing is a good clip to use on drawstring shorts. I typically wear tight biker shorts under loose drawstring gym shorts with shallow to no pockets. If I could clip it securely to my waistline I think it would be a good all around answer. It looks like the same size would work for my PM9 or J frame, and it would also be a great way to carry essential ID and keys...

ForumSurfer
June 17, 2011, 03:43 PM
FWIW, it gets realllllllly humid down here in NC. Even moderate jogging or running makes a belly band into something really disgusting. I don't feel like washing it everyday, either.

Honestly, I gave up. I either don't carry or I wear an instructors belt (works with no belt loops!) and just carry owb.

Congrats on the weight loss! It really feels good when your old pants suddenly become your plus two pants for IWB carry, doesn't it. :)

I do quite a bit of strength training, so I'm at a point where my waistline shrinks but I weigh the same weight constantly. I haven't budged from 172 (I was 185 when I started my fitness kick) for several months, but I'm back to wearing 32's instead of 34's and fat mass has been replaced by more well defined muscle mass. :D

Shytheed Dumas
June 17, 2011, 04:02 PM
ForumSurfer, my answer to the heat is to get started 30 minutes before sunrise with front/rear blinkies and a bright shirt so I don't get hit by a sleepy driver.

20 degrees cooler than mid afternoon temps with no baking sun and an hour or more of time that is 100% mine without calls or emails is absolutely worth rolling out of bed for!

ForumSurfer
June 17, 2011, 04:29 PM
20 degrees cooler than mid afternoon temps with no baking sun and an hour or more of time that is 100% mine without calls or emails is absolutely worth rolling out of bed for!

More power to you, brother. I don't have it in me to roll out of bed that early unless I'm getting paid for it. :)

I had to give up on long cross country runs. I motorcycle accident from many years ago gave me the gift of arthritis at an early age. The treadmill at the gym is much less painful plus I'm in there for the strength training, anyway.

BUT, if that was the only time I had available, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I feel better than I remember feeling 15 years ago. The difference in stamina, strength, self confidence and so many other areas has had a tremendously positive impact on my life. Once someone loses that kind of weight and continues to stay fit and active, the difference in the way you feel is really hard to put into words. Now my 8 year old and 13 year old boys have trouble keeping up with ME instead of the other way around. :)

To keep it firearm related, even range trips are more fun. The hot, humid days here no longer bother me in the summer. I shoot outside on my own land. As long as I stay hydrated, I can stay out there all day with the boys shooting. They will complain about the weather before I do.

dmazur
June 17, 2011, 05:01 PM
I'm in the "better have it than not" camp. I also use a bike bag, on a rear carrier. The gun is in a fanny pack, under the top flap of the bike bag.

I find this has a narrower profile than panniers and makes the bike generally easier to park in a bike rack. And, when I lock the bike up to go into a store to buy water or a sandwich, the fanny pack goes with me.

The fanny packs usually have enough outside pockets to handle wallet and cell phone, too. (Yes, the complete lack of pockets on Lycra shorts is a problem...)

So far I've been able to ride generally on bike trails or on routes that have wide bike lanes. Automobiles and trucks seem to be less annoyed by the "share the road" concept if the street designers provide a mini-lane for bikes.

I have ridden in a few areas where drivers throw things at bike riders, blow air horns, etc. There doesn't seem to be any way to co-exist with these folks, so I just avoid those routes if possible.

I do carry pepper spray in my jersey pocket. Mostly for dogs...

And I watch my mirror. A couple of times I've gone into a ditch to avoid being run off the road.

From discussions with a few riders in our club with experience, getting hit by a car generally means you aren't working too well.

I guess what I'm trying to express is that, while I certainly believe CCW is a good idea 24/7, it may not provide a solution to some special hazards unique to bicycling.

ForumSurfer
June 17, 2011, 05:37 PM
I guess what I'm trying to express is that, while I certainly believe CCW is a good idea 24/7, it may not provide a solution to some special hazards unique to bicycling.

Which brings up another point, make sure you aren't carrying ina position (such as SOB) that is going to cause severe damage to yourself if (read: when) you go down.

Cosmoline
June 17, 2011, 05:48 PM
I'm on the bike every day year round up here. I ditched my car a few years ago and never looked back. For my purposes, the Maxpedition fatboy side back is the best way to carry. It allows very quick access to the firearm and after about a week or two of carrying you get used to the weight. I sewed down the padded strap to keep the bag from moving, and with a day pack over the top of it, the side bag stays put.

Of course this is utility cycling on a mighty Hoss, often with a trailer in tow. I ain't breaking land speed records and the furthest I go in a weekend day is 50 or 60 k. It's a low speed high drag configuration but it works.

If you're going faster, a shoulder holster has some merit but cover shirts can be annoying and tend to blow open while riding. On-the-frame is an option but if you leave your bike it's a problem.

Maxpedition makes a much lighter and leaner-profile bag now that holds only the firearm but looks like a document carrier. I can't find it now, but it's even leaner than the Remora.

gathert
June 17, 2011, 05:54 PM
When I am downhill mountain biking (think 40 lb race bikes and 30mph through the woods over large jumps and other obstacles) I have a hydration pack that I keep my pistol in. Works pretty well and its padded enough that I dont ever worry about hurting the pistol.

EmGeeGeorge
June 17, 2011, 05:58 PM
"...for dogs and hobos"

Stevie-Ray
June 17, 2011, 06:58 PM
I bike at night. My primary for that is a Glock 26 in an Uncle Mike's Kydex OWB at 4:00. The G26 is easy to control with one hand and I am quite accurate with it, so I can still control the bike. The Kydex rig also has good retention qualities, in case of falls. I cover it with a safety vest and my bike has lights, so I am quite visible. I've not wanted for more for many years.

Owen Sparks
June 17, 2011, 07:21 PM
I only use appendix carry when on 2 wheels. That is in front of the hip like the IPSC shooters use. There are two reasons for this. The main one is that your chances of getting into a gun fight are much less than your chances of going down on your bike. The last thing you want in a crash is a chunk of metal on your belt near your spine or sciatic nerve. A buddy fell off the back of a 4 wheeler and landed on his pistol and spent several months in a wheel chair. He is still not over it ten years later. The other problem is that if your shirt or jacket blows in the wind and exposes your holster some do gooder behind you in traffic might call the police. With the pistol in front of your hip it will not show.

ForumSurfer
June 17, 2011, 07:29 PM
A buddy fell off the back of a 4 wheeler and landed on his pistol and spent several months in a wheel chair.

Spinal injuries are unpredictable. The same thing happened to a friend of mine. Not a scratch on either one of them and she ended up being flown to Duke. She stayed in a chair permanently. She's made the most of her life, more than I can say for most people I know...she even won Ms Wheelchair NC.

For my purposes, the Maxpedition fatboy side back is the best way to carry.

So you highly recommend that bag? I've been thinking about picking one up for the frequent day hiking trips my son likes me to take him on. I've been looking for a bag that can store my pistol (if I get tired of carry OWB), give ease of access to said pistol and carry a few more small essentials like a small 1st aid kit and spare inhaler. I have a separate pack for food and gear when needed, but I don't want to reach way back there for a side arm (isn't a side arm supposed to be by your side?)

The Lone Haranguer
June 17, 2011, 08:20 PM
I would look into hanging a bag or pack from a frame tube.

Cosmoline
June 17, 2011, 08:28 PM
So you highly recommend that bag? I've been thinking about picking one up for the frequent day hiking trips my son likes me to take him on

For my own lifestyle it's irreplaceable. But it does take a bit to get used to it, and it won't replace a day pack. It has room for a number of small items. Wallet, tape, string, ammo, flashlight, cell phone, small pad of paper and pens, and a few small tools plus the handgun are about it. The standard one has no room for water, food or other things. There's a jumbo that has a pocket for a canteen but it's bulkier.

Unless you sew the pad in place it will slide around a lot. I really don't know why they don't do that already. A little bit of sinew thread did the trick for mine.

It really shines in the summer when I dislike having a wallet and keys in my pants while riding and in the winter when it keeps the CCW on TOP of the clothing not buried under layers. Access to the firearm is quick and requires only one unzipping. I don't use any special retaining system, since the pocket is small enough to hold a Speed Six in position.

It goes without saying that you have to remember to have it with you when you leave restaurants, etc.

tbutera2112
June 17, 2011, 08:33 PM
http://www.milanofixed.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/glock_1.jpg

android
June 17, 2011, 09:44 PM
I carry a Rohrbaugh in a Bulldog pouch. Fits in my center jersey pocket just fine.

android
June 17, 2011, 09:45 PM
No street cred for you with that plastic gun. You need a PPK or something like that for that rig.

Nico Testosteros
June 17, 2011, 09:55 PM
Yep, as they say, steel is real. Applies to guns as well as bikes.

gathert
June 17, 2011, 11:22 PM
But steel bikes can come out heavy. Go be one of the weight weenies with a carbon fiber bike :) Mine weighs 43 lbs so I think I take heavy bike prize.

NMGonzo
June 18, 2011, 11:10 AM
After many gun configurations and the such I quit wearing spandex and riding really fast for a more relaxed pace carrying the sp101 on the 3 o'clock position under loose shirt.

Tom609
June 18, 2011, 01:31 PM
Living in NJ, this is a moot point. I've been riding seriously for 20+ years and fortunately have not had a situation where it would have helped...so far. None the less, if I could I would. You might find this link interesting. It's on a cycling forum I follow and the thread has been going for years...

http://www.cyclingforums.com/forum/thread/180561/how-many-of-you-carry-a-gun-as-part-of-your-cycling-equipment

Dr_B
June 18, 2011, 02:00 PM
No expensive equipment needed here. I keep a small pistol in my pocket when biking short distances. For long distances: a fanny pack.

19-3Ben
June 18, 2011, 06:33 PM
But steel bikes can come out heavy. Go be one of the weight weenies with a carbon fiber bike Mine weighs 43 lbs so I think I take heavy bike prize.

No reason not to love both. My racer (2009 Giant TCR Alliance1):

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii131/geminifan/My%20bikes/DSC00304.jpg
^^She's no longer wears those awful Kenda Tires. She's rocking Hutchinson Fusion3 at 125psi.

The tourer before shellacing the natural cork bar tape so that it matches the Brooks Honey Brown saddle. It's a 1995 C-Dale T400 upgraded with LX hubs, Ulterga bar-end shifters, and a few other minor things:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii131/geminifan/My%20bikes/DSC00127.jpg

And a classic Austrian racer from 1972. Made of Reynolds 531, and weighs in at 24lbs. I've seen some of the more modern steel framed bikes at even less weight when using Reynolds 853 or similar. I love the way steel bikes ride.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii131/geminifan/My%20bikes/101_0751.jpg

Oh, and just to keep it on topic... The Puch in the last picture was made by the Steyr-Daimler-Puch corporation. Same Steyr that makes and made so many great firearms. What...too much of a stretch?

dmazur
June 18, 2011, 08:34 PM
K96771 -

That link was absolutely amazing. As I don't go looking for it, I hadn't read anything like that. The anti-gun thinking is absolutely beyond belief.

I'm sure there are similar sentiments from those who opposed allowing carrying guns for self defense in National Parks.

It's truly unfortunate that there are no guaranteed "safe zones", such as National Parks, where criminals are simply not permitted entry, or "safe activities", such as bicycling, which automatically provide immunity from attack.

However, since we do seem to have a fairly large number of criminals free to move about at will, it seems that exercising the right of self-defense is simply rational.

As expressed by others, the typical CCW permit holder isn't interested in committing a violent act, just getting home in one piece.

kayak-man
June 19, 2011, 05:16 PM
I'm in the same boat, er... sadle.

Since a good deal of my riding is in the woods (I hesitate to call it mountain biking) I've been trying to think of a way to carry my J-Frame. I think I may have to decide that speed isn't a priority and throw it in my camelback (Its one ofthe ones from wallmart that has a couple extra pockets.

MBaneACP
June 19, 2011, 09:25 PM
I ride regularly (2 hours today) and I use the small SafePacker mounted on the left side of my handlebars...it just Velcros on either my mountain or my road bike and carries a Ruger LCP...although I'm going to a slightly larger SafePacker and an LC9 9mm.

The huge advantage if a SafePacker is that I can pop it off the bike and carry it in with me if I stop for a snack. I've also used the SafePacker as a belt holster if I change clothes after my ride.

Michael B

Patchbunny
June 19, 2011, 09:40 PM
I've always wondered if this might work for bicycling. (http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/6_Concealment+Clothing/7206_Urban+Strider/?return=%3ftpl%3Dindex%26category_id%3D6%26%26%26page%3D3%26nothumbs%3D%26filter_1%3D%26filter_2%3D%26filter_3%3D%26filter_4%3D) I think you could even work out a way to put a ballistic panel in there for at least a small amount of protection.

gathert
June 19, 2011, 09:44 PM
I dont usually plan on getting shot while I'm riding, but it looks like it would work for carrying a gun. Pouch is kinda big though for just a gun.

PavePusher
June 19, 2011, 09:55 PM
Here in southern Arizona, I just O.C. a 1911 in a SERPA holster, on one of my webbing duty belts, with two spare mags in a holder on the opposite side. The synthetic materials won't degrade from sweat, and hold the gun far enough from my body to keep it dry.

I had some pictures up at OCDO a couple years ago, I can try to dig them up again if you want.

Deltaboy
June 19, 2011, 10:31 PM
Fanny pack worn in front!

Smokey in PHX
June 20, 2011, 12:12 AM
I use a small fanny pack for an LCP which is OK but I'm still looking for something better. I ride everyday a little before sunrise now to beat the heat. Great exercise and I like the sunrises. Some good ideas mentioned that I need to look into.

ForumSurfer
June 20, 2011, 09:19 AM
I've been riding seriously for 20+ years and fortunately have not had a situation where it would have helped...so far.

I've been living for 30+ years and never needed a handgun in self defense period, but I still wear it. :)

CDW4ME
June 20, 2011, 09:31 AM
Fanny pack. P3AT preferred over J-frame mainly due to weight (2nd is two extra rounds) since I also have my cell phone in there. May give Kel-Tec PF9 a go.

I've been cycling for 20+ years and never "needed" the pistol, but I've never "needed" it off the bike either ;)

Never needed the fire extinguisher (thank God), been paying that life insurance policy for nothing :p , have not actually needed a seat belt (based on lack of crashes), but wear it every time ;)

macadore
June 20, 2011, 09:08 PM
I have been riding 60+ miles per week for the last two years. I wear a fanny pack with a Glock 32 and two spare magazines. I have hit the pavement a couple of times with no serious damage. The trigger's covered and the fanny pack is padded enough to protect the gun and me. The advantage to they fanny pack is that I never loose it. It's always in reach.

mrvco
June 21, 2011, 10:32 PM
Being an avid road and mountain biker for going on 20 years, I saw this thread and found it interesting.

If you carry a hydration pack when you ride and would like a good way to carry, you should definitely look into the hydration packs from Wing Nut Gear.

I have the Enduro model and the side pockets on the right and left belt are accessible without removing the pack. They are made out of the same sailcloth material as the rest of the pack and the inside belt-line is padded. Anything shorter muzzle to tail than a Sig P226 or S&W n-frame w/ 4" barrel should fit nicely.

They are more expensive than a typical CamelBak product, but they are far and away better designed and built than any other hydration pack I've owned over the years.

http://wingnutgear.com/product_details.cfm?product_id=151

16shells
June 21, 2011, 11:09 PM
Congratulations on the weight loss. Cycling jerseys like the one pictured in the link below are ideal. Put heaviest items like a handgun in the center pocket.

http://www.rei.com/product/794996/novara-sprint-bike-jersey-mens

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