need advice: cz75b, usp tac, xd9 tac, or p7m8?


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Hellspawn
January 17, 2004, 02:51 AM
Well, I have narrowed it down to 4: CZ75b, USP tactical (I am located in CA so I cant buy the usp tac, but I can build one from a regular usp), XD9 tactical, and the P7M8. If you have any experience with any of these, please tell me which one you prefer and why. Comparisons between accuracy, trigger, comfort, and reliability would be much appreciated if you have fired more than 1 of these guns. It will be used for homes defense and the range. my local range only has the usp unfortunately.
Thanks in advance!

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tc300mag1
January 17, 2004, 02:57 AM
I Voted for the Hk Tac I Liek the one i shot extreemly well.

I have the Regular Usp and love it. Cant knock the Springfield Though. I Shot 75 Rounds though one the other Day and it was very nice. Nice enough to say it might be my next pistol.

P7M8 wouldnt be a bad choice either. Also Depends how big your hands are mine Are big enough that the grip on usp and tac are still to small And i use hogue handalls to help.

Also depends what you plan to do with it.

I would say the springfield Also had a Trigger pull as light as MY Hk usp in single action it was very nice.

Wildalaska
January 17, 2004, 02:57 AM
How big are your hands?

Which one fits ya best?

WildthatsthemaincriteriaAlaska

Hellspawn
January 17, 2004, 03:41 AM
my hands are medium sized, with longer fingers I suppose. I wish I could get my hands on them all to compare.

R127
January 17, 2004, 10:06 AM
If you want a CZ 75B, get an 85 Combat instead. The 75B is nice, I have one and I've done a lot of modifications to it, but the 85 Combat has a few advantages. Among these are an overtravel adjustment screw for the trigger, stock dropfree mag break, ambidextorous controls and they're said to be put through a little more rigorous QC standards, and possibly have harder internals for less wear. The big one to me, has to do with the firing pin. Well, first off it has an intertial firing pin, but no firing pin block. That means if you hit the hammer really hard while lowered with a round in the chamber with a big ballpeen hammer there is a possibility in a million years that it may somehow find a way to go off. That, if it can be considered a real one, is the drawback of not having the firing pin block. Now for the advantages: first off, there is no doubt about its ability to be dryfired, no reliance on a doubled up roll pin or modified firing pin. Secondly, the firing pin isn't retained by a roll pin so you don't have to have a specialized tool like the small drift punch required to remove the pin on a 75B. Third, with less linkage in the trigger group you can theoretically take the trigger to a higher level of refinement. Fourth, this system looks and is less cheesey than the roll pin retained firing pin on the 75B.

If you do get a CZ, and I would given that the alternatives don't do practically do anything the CZ wouldn't but cost more, I reccomend two modifications:

1) install the CZ factory rubber grips and awaken to a whole new world of handgun comfort you never knew existed.

2) get a set of these sights http://xssights.com/handgun_sights.html

Then there are a host of other options you could try, some highlights here:

-16lbs Wolff recoil spring combined with existing solid steel construction for years of worry-free shooting of hot ammo

-install P-01 trigger to shorten double action pull

-install landyard loop mainspring plug for use with your gemtech or other lanyard

-loaded chamber indicator

-since it has a steel instead of polymer frame you can get the whole pistol redone in the finish of your choice

The CZ's are a perfectly competent family of pistols in regard to "tactical utility," but I find the have a certain "life" to them lacking in other manufacturers' products that just feel like any other machine in my hand. But maybe I'm just weird.

HSMITH
January 17, 2004, 11:32 AM
The CZ is as good or better than anything else. It is accurate, it is reliable and it will cost enough less that you can afford to pick up a couple FACTORY hi-caps and some practice ammo. A metric buttload of ammo if weighed against the P7. I don't like the P7 or the USP, I think USP might just stand for "unusually stupid price". Ridiculously expensive for what it is, and hi-caps are silly high too. The single stack P7 would make a great carry gun though. The XD feels good in the hand, shoots OK and after a 25cent trigger job might be darn good. Hi-caps for it are another story.

Also look at the Glock 17 and 19. Fantastic guns once you have familiarity with them.

For carry I like the lighter weight of the Glock, but the CZ has a soul, made by men from steel and it just has more personality.

Hellspawn
January 17, 2004, 02:57 PM
If you want a CZ 75B, get an 85 Combat instead.

unfortunately, cz85's are not on the CA safe list :banghead:

The CZ is as good or better than anything else. It is accurate, it is reliable and it will cost enough less that you can afford to pick up a couple FACTORY hi-caps and some practice ammo.

I am new to the world of handguns, but I assume that these factory highcaps would be illegal in CA since they are post-ban.
:banghead: :banghead:

cratz2
January 17, 2004, 03:24 PM
I'm not a big fan of the HKs through I have nothing against them. And I'm somewhat intrigued by the XD9s and have had good experience with them.

The three guns I recommend the most for a range/HD gun on a relative budget are the Taurus PT92/PT99, the EAA Witnesses and the CZ75 family. The CZ/EAAs have a lot going for them and can be had for relatively cheaply. The two guns I'm likely to buy that I could see carrying are a G26 and a P7.

Basically, I'd suggest whatever fits your needs the best but if you don't have any guns, a CZ or EAA in 9mm is a pretty nice choice and is how I voted.

orangeninja
January 17, 2004, 03:50 PM
you might wanna try the P01 or PCR as well.

I had an XD9....great gun...not as accurate as the CZ though.

PCRCCW
January 17, 2004, 04:07 PM
I have nothing to do with how this is gonna turn out :D :rolleyes:
"Cough".....................

Shoot well

DragonRider
January 17, 2004, 09:27 PM
Part of me voting would depend on what you have already.... Either the P7 or USP Tac would be my choice. Also, I would spend the money on the Tac, IF you consider ever moving out of the state. I would be more than happy to hold the barrel for ya:D. I do have both.

John

Texas Bob
January 17, 2004, 09:31 PM
I own both the HK P7M8 and the XD9. I like them both, but you should see if you can somehow find a way to shoot before buying, considering the "big" price difference between these pistols.:)

10-Ring
January 18, 2004, 04:30 PM
I'd definitely go w/ one of the HKs & since you said you'd be using the gun at the range, I'd recommend the USP...I've gone sessions of 1000+ rounds w/o any problems whereas my P7M8 only digests about 100 or so before it gets too hot to shoot ;)

faustulus
January 18, 2004, 04:42 PM
I have a P7, and a CZ 75 (though mine is a single action) and have had (and sold) a usp (in .45) haven't had much experince with it, although a friend who went to the springfield challenge in memphis came back with a less than favorable opinion of them.
I would go for the CZ, I love mine and use it in competition. that is taking nothing away from the other guns as I love my P7 as well. THe USP is a nice gun but I never did like the way it sat in my hand. It did not balance very well.
all three were accurate enough for most shooting, and never had a reliablity problem with any of them, although i put less than 200 rounds throught the usp.
i like the trigger on the P7 the best, then the CZ. I will note that when I first got the CZ the trigger wasn't nearly as good as it was after a season of IDPA matchs. It cleans up nicely.
The USP had a nice trigger, not as nice as the tac models, but passable. In the end I think you couldn't go wrong any way you went, just see which one feels nice and which one is calling your name.
or get them all :)

bigjim
January 18, 2004, 05:10 PM
If you start with a P7M8 you will be starting at the top. That is one fine pistol fella.

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