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camsdaddy
June 19, 2011, 04:31 PM
My letter sent in regards to a sign on the front door.

On June 11, 2011 my family decided to try Applebees while in Albany. I was quite disturbed to read a sign on the door saying that firearms are not allowed in the establishment. I see this as asking law abiding citizens to check their rights at the door. I am wondering if this is a corporate policy or if this is the particular resturants policy.
Thank you
Rusty

Applebees reply



It is our company policy and the right of every business owner in the State of Georgia to ban firearms in their building if they so desire.

Dave Beever
Executive Area Director
AppleTwo Associates
Email: dbeever@appletwoassoc.com
Mobile: 850-322-2493 Fax: 888-909-5231
"Whatever you can do, or dream you can do, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it."

My reply

Dear Mr Beever,
I am sorry to hear this is the official policy of Applebees. While the State of Georgia does give Applebees the right to strip customers of their rights. I am sorry to hear that Applebees doesnt trust its law abiding customers the right to legally carry a firearm into their establishment. I do hope that great consideration will be given regarding this matter. I hope this is not taken lightly. I hope Applebees realizes that criminals will disregard this sign because thats what criminals do. I only see this sign as an advertisement welcoming crime. I can tell you that as an honest hard working American who can legally carry a firearm in the State of Ga neither I nor my family will feel safe in your resturant. I respect your rights though you do not respect mine. I promise to never carry a firearm into your resturant. However this means my wallet will never enter either.
Thank you
Rusty

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wgp
June 19, 2011, 05:14 PM
I have not seen an Applebees in Kansas posted against concealed carry and I have eaten at quite a few.

Sam1911
June 20, 2011, 08:16 AM
[This is the ACTIVISM forum. Not the food critic section. Post about letters you're writing, phone calls you've made, etc. Not about their alcohol policies or how much you hate the food.]

ultradoc
June 20, 2011, 08:49 AM
Thanks for the heads up camsdaddy. You did good.

Nushif
June 20, 2011, 08:55 AM
No sign in OR either ...

Davey Wavey
June 20, 2011, 10:40 AM
It is our company policy and the right of every business owner in the State of Georgia to ban firearms in their building if they so desire.

Dave Beever
Executive Area Director

Sounds like someone is a little defensive.

ZCORR Jay
June 20, 2011, 10:51 AM
I wonder if they have that policy because they sell alcohol?

Not that I agree with it but with the recent victory in OH it kinda made me think that way.

The two Applebees that I know of in the Rochester area don't have signs so it could have been an Albany thing... I wouldn't put it past that city.

griff383
June 20, 2011, 11:05 AM
I just went to one the other day and IIRC all they had was the usual it is illegal to carry a friearm without a license blah blah blah. So it is legal in TX or at least the one I visited

Ole Coot
June 20, 2011, 05:24 PM
WV no signs.

SN13
June 20, 2011, 05:52 PM
Good job on your letters!

Crapplebees! Eat somewhere else. Not like they have the monopoly on boring food that gives you indigestion. :)

NMBrian
June 20, 2011, 05:59 PM
Sings here in NM :(

Havent been in an Applesbees in a long time.

tangomike706
June 20, 2011, 05:59 PM
Have not seen the signs in my area either, but I'll be speaking with my wallet . I pickup food from them often when on and off duty ... looks like someone else will get my money from this point onward , I've also followed up with a polite letter explaining the same .

MarkDozier
June 20, 2011, 07:02 PM
Very interesting.
A little research showed this same here in 2003. Another forum has the same thread in 2009. It looks like Applebee's is really confused about the whole concern.

dirtykid
June 20, 2011, 07:02 PM
Signs are posted here in MN but not to the letter of the law as it is written (they make them smaller than required with NO contrasting lettering)
I sent a similar letter to them when i mailed-back my "stripes rewards" card,, never got ANY response from them,so i go elsewhere...

Jonah71
June 20, 2011, 08:20 PM
Don't see the signs in Mo.

camsdaddy
June 20, 2011, 09:06 PM
Ok to clarify this was at the Albany Ga location. The law regarding resturants that serve alcohol was changed a few years back. Im pretty sure now its the discretion of the owners. I agree concealed does mean concealed. True they may never know. I've heard that elsewhere. Issue is im not a criminal and I will not become one just to be able to support a resturant that doesn't respect my rights. They don't trust me to legally carry a firearm to dinner I can't trust them with my hard earned money.

alex4922
June 20, 2011, 09:55 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I've sent my letter. Now to pass the word.

Thanks again, A

HankB
June 21, 2011, 12:01 AM
Several years ago a number of Applebee's stores in the San Antonio area posted PC30.06 signs (TX law establishes very specific signage requirements to prohibit licensed concealed carry, defined in section 30.06 of the TX penal code) and a letter writing campaign that went national - and the looming threat of a nationwide boycott - caused Applebee's corporate offices to spank the offending local franchise owner - hard. The signs came down, and a letter of apology was issued.

Applebee's restaurants in the Austin area do not have such signs posted.

Perhaps Applebee's corporate offices need to receive a few (thousand) letters again so they'll set the local franchise in Albany (AppleTwo Associates?) straight.

Please post the address and contact information for your local restaurant to include in the letters.

tango2echo
June 21, 2011, 12:30 AM
Signs posted on both sides of the doors in NC and SC. :cuss:

I don't eat there anymore. The food sucked and the drinks were over-priced anyway.

t2e

Frozen North
June 21, 2011, 12:43 AM
They can run their business any way they want too, this is America! That sign on the door will do nothing but drive business away. How many antis write letters or choose other establishments because they are not posted?

It pays to familiarize yourself with the actual laws behind the signs. Here in MN, a "bans guns" sign has as much legal weight behind it as a "wet paint" sign. They can ask you to leave or disarm, that's it. If you refuse to disarm or leave you will be trespassing. This is silly because they can refuse service to anyone anyway, and they can also ask anyone to leave that they feel like.

I avoid posted property based on respect for the property owner's rights, but I can't avoid certain posted properties all the time. In that case, concealed is concealed and I will gladly leave if asked for any reason.

Scimmia
June 21, 2011, 12:48 AM
I was under the impression you were not allowed to carry in places that served alcohol. And I have yet to see an Applebees that didn't serve alcohol.

That may have changed since its been a while since I've last gone.

That varies by state. Here in Iowa, you can even drink while carrying, as long as you don't go over .08 BAC.

Devonai
June 21, 2011, 12:50 AM
Applebee's is not posted in NH or MA or at least they weren't the last time I visited the restaurants in those states. I don't recall visiting one in CT but there are far better choices in my area. I have never run into any restaurant in NH, MA or CT that was posted, though I did find a small owner-operated cafe in Rockport, ME that was.

archigos
June 21, 2011, 02:14 AM
The two Applebees that I know of in the Rochester area don't have signs so it could have been an Albany thing... I wouldn't put it past that city.
I think he's referring to Albany, GA. I'm in the Albany, NY area and have never seen such signs. In fact, the Applebees nearest me is one of only a couple places I've ever seen somebody open carry in NY.

Dr_B
June 21, 2011, 02:50 AM
I haven't seen a sign in their restaurant in my town in Idaho. I have carried there.

llwsgn
June 21, 2011, 10:35 AM
I sent a polite email to Mr. Beever stating my displeasure. Would encourage others to do the same.

BBQLS1
June 21, 2011, 10:38 AM
Are we talking about boycotting all of applebees? I read the reply letter:

It is our company policy and the right of every business owner in the State of Georgia to ban firearms in their building if they so desire.

If they so desire? Not a corporate policy to ban guns, but to allow a business owner (fanchise owner) to ban guns. IMO you should be boycotting that store and not the company as a whole.

oneounceload
June 21, 2011, 12:51 PM
No issue in FL either - just don't sit at the bar

NavyLCDR
June 21, 2011, 01:49 PM
I've open carried in several Applebee's locations in different towns in Washington. No signs, no issues.

The Lone Haranguer
June 21, 2011, 01:52 PM
It might not be a corporate policy. Most such chain restaurants are franchises. In that case your beef is with the franchise owner.

Six
June 21, 2011, 02:14 PM
Nevermind

langenc
June 21, 2011, 03:07 PM
Have not seen a sign at our local outlet. Have not been there lately as I misplaced my gift card.

I would let em know why I refuse to go there(to any store, food or etc) when that becomes the case.

elano
June 21, 2011, 03:58 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I too will not visit applebees anymore, since I live in the area. The fact that the store owner is fine with criminals bringing guns in (everyone knows criminals don't play by the rules), but not legal permit holders just makes me feel uneasy. I feel like such sign is an invitation for crime since the criminal knows there will be no opposition.

Shame because my girlfriend loves their low calorie meals. They have lost 2 customers, my girlfriend also carrys a concealed pistol.

General Geoff
June 21, 2011, 04:13 PM
I was once asked to leave an Applebee's because I was open carrying. I sent a complaint to their regional director's office and they apologized, stated it was not their policy to disallow lawfully carried firearms in their establishments, and he sent me a $25 gift certificate as compensation for being asked to leave previously.


So yeah, I think this is really hit & miss depending on region/state.

littlebubba
June 21, 2011, 06:15 PM
My apologies if I missed it, but I don't believe we've yet determined how Applebee's is organized. It could be, as was stated in an earlier post, that this is a franchise operation which would mean that the respective franchise owner is responsible for the anti-gun policies. In light of that possibility we really don't know with whom we should be registering our protests. I can't speak to the policies of my local Applebee's locations as I can't recall the last time I set foot in one. If we're dealing with a corporate policy then a letter campaign may be appropriate; if we're dealing with franchises then that protest would certainly have to take place on a local level. Just my two cents worth.

jkulysses
June 21, 2011, 06:21 PM
They are franchises that are owned by an individual or individuals but the corporate office can still make them change their rules and policies if it's going to bring the corporate name, in this case Applebee's, bad publicity.

oneounceload
June 21, 2011, 08:06 PM
Most such chain restaurants are franchises

A CHAIN is corporate owned; FRANCHISES are individually owned

Have we successfully determined whether Applebee's is a chain or franchise? A franchise does not ALWAYS have to follow the home office - we've seen that enough with McD's and others when they run specials - "at participating locations";

IF they are a corporate chain, then that is different

Sam1911
June 21, 2011, 08:15 PM
On their website, they describe themselves as franchise-based with the average franchisee owning about 10 locations.

'Course, they also describe themselves as one of the nation's leading casual dining chains, so ...?

firemanstrickland
June 21, 2011, 08:43 PM
i have chosen only to read the first few posts, i dont feel like gettting in an argument. good job with the letters, i will not be eating at applebees. thank you

animator
June 21, 2011, 08:52 PM
I just went to one the other day and IIRC all they had was the usual it is illegal to carry a friearm without a license blah blah blah. So it is legal in TX or at least the one I visited
In Texas, even if they have a "no guns" sign, it's not illegal to carry one concealed inside the establishment. If they suspect you are carrying, all they can do is ask you to leave.

The only way any non 51% establishment can legally deny the right to carry a concealed weapon is by posting 30.06.

whalerman
June 22, 2011, 12:02 AM
Good discussion about a meaningful topic. Isn't it time we locked it?

tangomike706
June 22, 2011, 02:47 AM
Was in the Scranton/Dickson City PA area today , and specifically looked for these signs at said location . I didn't see them . I have since, sent a letter to Applebees asking them to clarify if it is in fact company policy. I'll update whenever or if ever, I receive a response .

jahwarrior
June 22, 2011, 01:01 PM
Was in the Scranton/Dickson City PA area today , and specifically looked for these signs at said location . I didn't see them . I have since, sent a letter to Applebees asking them to clarify if it is in fact company policy. I'll update whenever or if ever, I receive a response .

nice to see another local. i didn't see any signs, either, which is why i went in. i knowingly risked getting asked to leave by mall sedurity, though. the Viewmont Mall isn't posted, either, but they don't allow guns inside, as per their policy. Applebee's leased a space in the mall, so mall security doesn't have "jurisdiction" inside. :rolleyes:

next time you're in the area, drop me a line here.

ATBackPackin
June 22, 2011, 03:33 PM
We do not eat at Applebees for reasons not relevant here. I will however stop by my local Applebees and see if they have a sign. If there is a sign I will send them a letter. However if I do that and they correct their policy then I feel morally obligated to patronize them at least once.:barf:

Some times you have to suck one up for the team.

Shawn

hso
June 22, 2011, 03:59 PM
I have one suggestion for improvement when sending a letter of this nature.

I was quite disturbed to read a sign on the door saying that firearms are not allowed in the establishment. I would instead say that customers with valid state issued carry permits are not allowed in the establishment unless they leave their firearms unsecured in their vehicles in the parking lot, since the issue is our rights and not an inanimate object.

hso
June 22, 2011, 04:14 PM
A number of posts debating the issue of property rights vs. the 2A right were removed since this is not a debate/discussion forum. That discussion would be appropriate for Activism Discussion.

Summary -

Albany, GA Applebee's franchise posted no gun owner sign (not Applebee's Corporate Policy).

Many Applebee's do not post no gun owner signs.

In at least one case Applebee's Corp has incited a particular franchise owner to have such signs removed when letter writing campaign came to their attention.

Lessons Learned - Identify the owner of the business that has posted the "carry permit holders not welcome sign" and focus on them.

littlebubba
June 23, 2011, 10:04 AM
A number of posts debating the issue of property rights vs. the 2A right were removed since this is not a debate/discussion forum. That discussion would be appropriate for Activism Discussion.

Summary -

Albany, GA Applebee's franchise posted no gun owner sign (not Applebee's Corporate Policy).

Many Applebee's do not post no gun owner signs.

In at least one case Applebee's Corp has incited a particular franchise owner to have such signs removed when letter writing campaign came to their attention.

Lessons Learned - Identify the owner of the business that has posted the "carry permit holders not welcome sign" and focus on them.
hso,

Correct me if I'm wrong but this discussion WAS in the 'Activism' category. This seems to be the appropriate place for gun rights advocates to have a discussion regarding how to handle situations such as this when they are encountered. I'm new to THR so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding.

Sam1911
June 23, 2011, 10:22 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but this discussion WAS in the 'Activism' category. This seems to be the appropriate place for gun rights advocates to have a discussion regarding how to handle situations such as this when they are encountered. I'm new to THR so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding
We have split the Activism forum and you'll notice that there is an "Activism Discussion" sub-forum.

The primary Activism forum is for telling folks what to do, and how to do it. We ask that this forum be limited to the execution of solid efforts to make a certain legislative (or commercial in this case) push.

We ask that if there are counter-proposals, debates about how to achieve something, debates about whether the goal or the action is appropriate, and the process of constructing an effort all be held in the "Activism Discussion" sub-forum to keep the main Activism forum clear for efforts that are established and underway.

See HERE (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=270671).

And a few highlights from that sticky:
This is not the place to debate ideas. This the place to outline action to be taken.

This is not the place to use RKBA as the excuse to promote a broader social or political agenda. STAY FOCUSED!

This is where we present actions we actually have carried out or action we want to carry out to make change happen.

There will be absolutely no arguments or comments about whether a given course of action is a good one. Such arguments always occur, about every single idea, and then no course of action is taken. This is the place to co-ordinate, not to talk somebody else out of doing anything.

littlebubba
June 23, 2011, 10:49 AM
Gotcha, Sam1911! Thanks for the info.

roadliner
June 23, 2011, 03:13 PM
Nothing in IA. But to tell the truth, I don't really think about looking for the signs. Just before Iowa loosened the restrictions on carry permits this year, some pundits, thought it would be Dodge City or armageddon and stores would be posting all over the place. As all of you know after years of this reaction, nothing has happened and life is normal. It's the same anti 2nd amendment hype. I think most businesses went to a "wait and see" mode if they thought about it at all.

Tape
June 23, 2011, 03:44 PM
send a letter and a picture of the sign if possible to the NRA, they have mentioned that if a business infringes on our gun rights they want to hear about it, but if they serve alcohol then that's really Applebee’s point

Tape
June 23, 2011, 04:01 PM
Also, if it's a policy tell the manager of the restaurant to show it to you, a policy is written and signed by the CEO or another high positioned executive officer and not by the restaurant manager and not just spoken, The letter on the door may be a policy letter as well.

V1ROT8
June 23, 2011, 04:30 PM
Have not seen anything at two I frequent in Colorado. That is good.

Strahley
June 23, 2011, 05:59 PM
I have not seen an Applebees in Kansas posted against concealed carry and I have eaten at quite a few.

Ditto

VP
June 23, 2011, 06:40 PM
Applebee's in VA is good to go. TGI Friday's is not. They have signs posted (actually posted after you enter the first set of double doors). Needless to say, I don't eat a TGI Friday's anymore.

HankB
June 23, 2011, 08:40 PM
Here's some information about prior dealings with Applebee's - a couple of lengthy threads:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=25505&page=6&highlight=Applebees+San+Antonio

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=25779

Basically what happened is that letters were written not just to Applejam (the franchise holder for Applebee's stores in San Antonio) but to Applebee's CORPORATE headquarters as well.

From the sudden turn-around in Applejam's "no CHL" policy, it's reasonable to conclude that the prospect of a nationwide boycott of ALL Applebee's restaurants didn't sit well with Corporate, which in turn spanked the local franchise holder - hard.

hso
June 25, 2011, 02:38 PM
I think we've determined that the OP's particular franchise is the problem and not the Applebee's chain.

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