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336A
June 20, 2011, 04:18 PM
Since the forgotten middle magnum don't get much press I figured why not start a .41 mag association. This would be the perfect place to share favorite loads guns and so on. So lets go .41 addicts lets get this ball rolling.

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1911Tuner
June 20, 2011, 04:38 PM
I'm in! The .41 Magnum has long been my all-time favorite revolver cartridge.

Bush Pilot
June 20, 2011, 05:22 PM
One more here. We need a secret sign so we can identify each other, maybe 4 fingers on one hand and 1 on the other hand pointing downward.

336A
June 20, 2011, 05:42 PM
Has anyone messed around with the 170gr bullets from Sierra? It seems as though it would make a decent SD bullet for the .41 mag.

1911Tuner
June 20, 2011, 06:12 PM
I have. Good bullet, but the Remington 170 is more destructive in soft targets.

1500 fps is doable in a 4-inch barrel, but it's...a little crisp.

MMCSRET
June 20, 2011, 06:18 PM
I'm in!! I like cast bullets in my 41's. I have 4 different molds and find it very satisfying.

1911Tuner
June 20, 2011, 06:24 PM
Ain't fired a jacketed bullet in a .41 Magnum in over 15 years.

Us boolit casters call'em full length gas checks.

336A
June 20, 2011, 07:03 PM
So what cast bullets are you folks using in your your .41's. I've got some test loads made up using the common 215gr SWC from Leadhead. I have ten each ready to go with 8.5gr, 8.7gr, 8.9gr and 9.1gr of Unique.

1911Tuner
June 20, 2011, 07:29 PM
My own, dropped from the RCBS 210-grain mould. Alloy is my own concoction, too. Approximately 3% antimony...2% tin...and 95% lead. Good from 750 to 1350 fps and no lead fouling beyond a light lead wash that cleans up in two passes...in and out...with a dry .44 caliber brush.

With 8.5 grains Unique, through the Model 58, the chronograph insists that the velocity is 1050 fps and nearly breaks 1100 through the short Blackhawk. Cuts cloverleaf groups at 25 yards if better eyes than mine look at the sights.

Walkalong
June 20, 2011, 08:40 PM
Count me in.

Redhawk (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=106775&d=1254926047)

Smith 57 (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=142211&d=1305473777)

Not real experienced, but definitely a fan. :)

Hunt480
June 20, 2011, 08:52 PM
I got a 41 mag NMBH I have literally wore the blue off of the barrel from general use and woods carry for the last 20 years or so. It has been on some long hikes and even killed a few deer too. That 41 is like a friend. I use 210gr XTP's over 20 or 21gr of Lilgun just about all the time or 17 or 18gr of 2400. I have used H110 over 20 or 21gr. All good hunting loads or woods carry.

MMCSRET
June 20, 2011, 09:43 PM
I cast Lyman 410610 if I want a gas check, which isn't very often. I cast Lyman 410032 or 410028 for the 210/215 weight range and then I use 410426 for a heavy weight, drops around 245 from my home mix.

Rexster
June 20, 2011, 10:38 PM
I purchased a surplus ex-San Antonio PD duty Model 58 in 1984, and used it as my duty sixgun for most of the rest of the 1980s. It was so smooth, that with the help of it's very narrow trigger, which had been relieved for an even shorter reach, it performed very well for me in spite of my hands not really being large enough for an N-frame. When it became just too loose to keep shooting it in DA mode anymore, I retired it from active service, but I still have it, as a reminder of the times of high adventure on the mean
streets.

(I still patrol those streets, which can still be wild and dangerous, at times, but the 1980s and early 1990s were really something, a different era.)

I owned another 58, that was near-mint, that I fired only a few times, that I kept as a spare, and a
657 that I would be more likely to carry in wet conditions. These did not have the dressed-down
trigger face like my ex-SAPD sixgun, nor were they as smooth in the action, so I did not shoot
them as well. (Remember, N-frames are too big for my hands.) I eventually sold these. I also
briefly owned a Redhawk that was really too big for me.

More recently, I have very nearly bought a Freedom Arms Model 97, chambered in .41 Magnum, from a local dealer. Twice, a .41 FA 97 stayed almost long enough for me to scrape together the resources to buy, or start a layaway. Yes, I do think it was the same FA sixgun, as a new firearm
the first time, as again as a pre-owned firearm; I remembered the distinctive serial number.
Assuming FA can stay in business, an FA 97 is the leading contender for my next, eventual .41 Mag sixgun.

slicksleeve
June 20, 2011, 10:52 PM
I'm in too. The first revolver I ever bought was a 6" Model 657. After ten years I still have and it'll never leave. I also killed my second ever deer, and first with a handgun with this revolver.

336A
June 20, 2011, 11:52 PM
Hunt480 do you have a pic of the ld girl to share with us?

336A
June 21, 2011, 10:15 AM
You cast please correct me if I'm wrong here. When checking the cylinder throats, a cast bullet (.411" in my case) should need only slight finger pressure to get through the cylinder throat correct?

JohnD13
June 21, 2011, 02:21 PM
My Blackhawk .41 has seen a lot of deer seasons with me! Mostly shooting 210 grain jacketed bullets over healthy charges of 2400 or H110. I'm interested in loading some cast bullets in the 250 grain range, just need a push to get going.

336A
June 21, 2011, 02:33 PM
Welcome aboard JohnD13. I'm not sure what in the world a 250gr bullet is going to solve for you that your 210gr loads won't in N.Y. I just left N.Y. and have temorarily moved south. I'm in the midst of working up a mid powered load with a 215gr SWC. Even that load will handle anything up there to include the occasional black bear. A 215gr SWC moving along about 1100fps will zip right through a black bear without issues.

jdh
June 21, 2011, 02:36 PM
My first duty carry was a 57. Still have it.

215 LSWC 8.0-8.2 Unique (depending on brass brand) gives a low recoil, low flash, mild report indoor range load that is exceptionally accurate.

336A
June 21, 2011, 02:43 PM
Here are some links for the group to some various ammo companies that sell ammuntion for the .41 mag, in case some are having troubles finding any.

http://shop.reedsammo.com/category.sc;jsessionid=F05A46CBADF2241A048003709184F58C.qscstrfrnt03?categoryId=70

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php

http://georgia-arms.com/41remmag.aspx

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=18

http://www.grizzlycartridge.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=catshow&ref=41mag

http://www.corbon.com/

Iggy
June 21, 2011, 02:57 PM
I carried Model 58 as an LEO for 13 years. The gun and the cartridge did what they were designed to do.

336A
June 21, 2011, 06:58 PM
Hey fellas I slugged my cylinder throats by dropping Hornady bullets through the cylinder. The bullets went through with only slight finger pressure, so will .411" cast bullets give me any leading issues?

orionengnr
June 21, 2011, 07:11 PM
Count me in. I had a 6" M57 and then found a 4". Sold the 6" and regret it.
But I still have the 4", and it's not going anywhere. :)

I like Missouri Bullet's 215 gr SWC with 8 gr Green Dot (plinking loads) or 18 gr 296 (real loads).

.41 Mag is my second most carried and shot revolver cartridge, after .45 LC. If I could only have one, I honestly don't know which way I'd go.:)
ETA: subscribing.

SharpsDressedMan
June 21, 2011, 07:12 PM
I dont have one, but I do have 10mm's. Can I be an associate member? :)

W.E.G.
June 21, 2011, 07:38 PM
I got mine -- for my 41st birthday.

Damn, that was a long time ago.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Blackhawk41.jpg

336A
June 23, 2011, 03:23 PM
Wow were is everyone I thought there were more .41 mag afficinado's here. BTW my Simplr Rugged Range Master Holster just arrived for the BH:D

45crittergitter
June 25, 2011, 03:48 PM
Sign me up.

Tuner, where do you find 170 gr. Remington SJHP bullets? Thought they were discontinued... But, they do make an awesome load. I got an honest 1600 fps (6" bbl.) from both factory and handloads with that bullet.

Loosedhorse
June 25, 2011, 04:03 PM
Here are some links for the group to some various ammo companies that sell ammuntion for the .41 magAppreciated. But what I'd really like is a milder factory SD load: dependably opening HP driven at 1000-1100 fps.

Seems like the factories have decided that all .41s shall have a nominal muzzle velocity of 1250 and up--and most often weights 210 grains and up. Some 170s are going over 1600; I just don't need that recoil for SD.

Sure, it's a great hunting round; but it has a great potential for versatility. It's just that you can't get at that lower-power end of its versatility--where the optimal SD balance is, IMHO--without handloading. And that's a shame, since it was designed with that versatility in mind.

336A
June 25, 2011, 04:24 PM
You can buy loaded .41 SPL from Reed's Ammo featuring a 170gr bullet.
http://shop.reedsammo.com/product.sc?productId=1724&categoryId=163

1911Tuner
June 25, 2011, 05:10 PM
The Winchester Silvertip 175 grain is loaded to about 1200 or so. Stiff, but not at all punishing. Expensive, and seldom seen on shelves...in this area at least.

Loosedhorse
June 25, 2011, 05:40 PM
Thanks, both of you! :)

thodge
June 25, 2011, 10:32 PM
I'm in too, New owner of a Ruger SBH and loving it. I have only loaded a few rounds with AA #5 and AA #9. So far, 10.3gr of #5 seem to shoot well with a Lee 195gr SWC molded from water quenched WW's. Will be developing a hunting load with Hornady 210gr XTP and AA #9.

kentucky bucky
June 26, 2011, 12:44 AM
This thread makes me feel..... so...so....normal. I'm a loner when it comes to the .41 mag and I was starting to feel like an outcast until now....thanks guys...oh yeah..I have a 80s mod 57 6" that is my fav of all handguns.I also have a Blackhawk 6 1/2" with several after market improvements that make it a little bit nicer to shoot.

1911Tuner
June 26, 2011, 06:59 AM
bucky...We are few, but we're dedicated. ;)

Crittergitter...You'll probably have to haunt the gun shows for the occasional box of those bullets. I laid in a small stock of'em when they were available. Loaded hot, I think of it like the .357/125/1450 load on steroids. The Sierra 170 JHC is a good substitute, though, and probably expands a little more violently in ballistic gel.

JohnD13
June 26, 2011, 07:56 AM
Wel 336a, there's nothing in NY that "needs" a 250 grain bullet, I've just never fired one out of my .41 Blackhawk! The 210 grain loads work on everything I have used them for really well.

336A
June 26, 2011, 09:07 AM
John, I'll bet that it will sting the hand a bit too. I don't know about the rest of you here, but I try to read everything I can get my hands on about the .41 magnum. I just came across these:) Just like the rest of his stuff they are well written articles. In the second article there is link to a handload data sheet as well be sure to give it a look as well.

http://www.realguns.com/articles/302.htm

http://www.realguns.com/articles/305.htm

http://www.realguns.com/articles/310.htm

MMCSRET
June 26, 2011, 09:17 AM
I like 41 Mag, as I stated earlier. A scoped 10" Bull barrel Contender can prove to be an astounding piece of equipment. I have a Ruger Blackhawk that has been modestly customized and an unaltered 57-1. I like them all, and I especially like the way cast bullets perform in the 41 Magnum. I have a stock of jacketed bullets but haven't loaded and fired one in over 20 years.

336A
June 26, 2011, 09:34 AM
Speaking of cast bullets for those of you that don't cast your own what vendor are you getting your bullets from? I'm having a difficult time finding a vendor that don't charge a arm and leg as well as one that makes to hard of a bullet. I really like the selection of Monatana cast bullets but their prices are crazy. I'm trying to find some cast bullets with a BHN of about 14. Most casters seem to cast their bullets with a BHN of 18 on avg. That is just to darn hard IMHO.

1911Tuner
June 26, 2011, 09:54 AM
336...Not long ago, I was sorta bad-mouthin' commercially cast bullets, when a PM popped up from the guy who owns and operates Dardas Bullets. He spoke frankly about my observations and said that he'd solved the problems...and offered to send 50 for me to test.

I agreed, and 3 days later, they arrived. 250-grain Keith-type SWCs neatly packed in a box with dividers weighed out to within +/- one grain. That's saying something for a high-volume caster.

Loaded up 30 of'em with my standard 8.5 grains of Unique to see if there'd be any leading from the 18BHN that he advertised, and the attendant leading from failure to obturate that I've seen from too-hard bullets in low pressure loadings.

There wasn't any. Smoke was minimal, and the bullets were at least as accurate as my own.

They're fairly pricey, but they're excellent cast bullets. If I were to stop casting and start buying...I'd buy Dardas even over Lasercast.

Jeff Holt/
June 26, 2011, 10:30 AM
For anyone needing a hardcast (bh=18) 215gr SWC loaded over 8.5 gr. Unique, (should run a little north of 1100 fps in most guns.)
Visit: doubleu x3 DOT appalachianammo DOT com or Google: Appalachian Ammunition, Inc. in Farmington, ME. I'd post the website but I don't want to get wacked for spamming.

It just happens that it is a stock item there.

Thanks,
Jeff

LC '92
June 26, 2011, 10:49 AM
Heres one of my model 58's. Have 2 of them. Also have a 4" model 57. Can't get too many .41 Magnums!


http://usera.ImageCave.com/daddy_jeffs/Smaller_58.jpg

1911Tuner
June 26, 2011, 11:02 AM
I like Model 58s. I like'em a lot.

Rollis R. Karvellis
June 26, 2011, 12:05 PM
I, want to join. Mine is a 657, that saw little love before I, bought it. So far my best load is 15.5 grains of 2400, with a CCI 350 primer, under a 210 grain XTP.

MMCSRET
June 26, 2011, 12:30 PM
For cast bullets tailored to your specs try Rim Rock. Google Rim Rock, it will come up. Anytime you ship a weight factor like lead it is expensive. Ask them to do it USPS flat rate. I cast mine soft, probably less than 10, but they fit and I have no problem running them at 1200

rc109a
June 26, 2011, 01:14 PM
I have a S&W 657 with 7 1/4 barrel. I absolutely love the 41mag. I have been shooting the Hornady 210g XTp and some older Speer TMJ. I have been shooting TMJ with trail boss and it is pretty fun. I want to start shooting some cast bullets, but not sure who has a reasonably cost bullet that is not going to foul up my barrel like some do.

What I really want to find is a lever action in 41mag, but I am always a minute late or a dollar short.

Thanks for sharing your info regarding 41 and I look forward to more information coming down the pipe...

RKRCPA
June 26, 2011, 01:35 PM
I'll play

http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s342/rkrcpa1/IMG_1249Large.jpg

19grs of 2400 and a 410459 is a perfect combination although I'm starting to experiment with LBT designs now.

camar
June 26, 2011, 02:53 PM
Yes, count me in. I have a .41 Mag. Blackhawk. I cast all my bullets except this one because I can't find a 250gr. Keith SWC mold.
I buy my bullets from RimRock.
I have a question and I don't mean any disrespect, but why does everybody tend to go for the 210-220gr. bullets over 240gr. and above?

336A
June 26, 2011, 03:53 PM
Well I just got back from the range. I tested Leadheads 215gr SWC over 8.5gr and 8.7gr of Unique @ 10yd off hand. I didn't even bother shooting the loads I had loaded with 8.9gr & 9.1gr as the other two were right on the money:D

Now I just have to figure out which load I want to settle on.
Here is the first target with 6rds of 8.5gr of Unique as you can see I pulled my first 2 rounds:o I'm still trying to get used to the single action grip frame.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/336a/DSC00148.jpg

I made a minor windage adjustment and shot the remaining 4 rnds again @ 10yd off hand, one shot completely missed:banghead:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/336a/DSC00147.jpg

Here is the 8.7gr load, there is supposed to be 10 rnds but again I missed again:banghead:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/336a/DSC00149.jpg

I hope that either of these two loads will be sufficient for the little piggies, what do you all think? There as slight leading but not as much as I thought there would be. It came out pretty easily with some hoppes #9 and a bore brush.

BTW you should have seen some of the looks I was getting from other folks at the range:D Especially when I strted to nail the 2" bull:D Everyone else was shooting eveywhere on the one of those FBI bad guy type targets.

420Stainless
June 26, 2011, 04:03 PM
I'd like in. Have a 6" Model 57. Bought it about 2 years ago and couldn't find jacketed bullets for quite awhile so I've been shooting MBC Troopers over Unique. Just found a couple of boxes of XTPs at the Sportsmans Warehouse, so I'll be loading up some fun with the 2400 and 296 pretty soon! Just from shooting the cast loads though I can tell that the Model 27 won't be lonely for too long.

Looking forward to working up some deer hunting loads and having a go at it this fall.

336A
June 26, 2011, 04:11 PM
Camar I use the 210gt-220gr weight bullets because they are commonly available. Load data is pretty much everywhere too when compared to the heavier bullets.

420stainless welcome aboard I hope you have fun working up your hunting loads. I'm going to stick with cast bullets and Unique for while until I can master getting a good consistent grip on the BH.

philoe
June 26, 2011, 11:27 PM
Mountain Gun here. Absolutely love the round. Was exactly what I was looking for an across the board woods gun. Next up will be a reloading setup and a SA Ruger with a longer barrel than my Smith.

shooting4life
June 27, 2011, 11:34 AM
I have a couple, first is a freedom arms 97 and the second is a s&w 657 that sits in my nightstand.
http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu30/shooting4life/01943f0f.jpg
657 bottom
http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu30/shooting4life/cf2c826a.jpg

336A
June 27, 2011, 12:13 PM
That is a very nice FA 97 shooting4life, now I have to wipe the drool off my key board.

JohnD13
June 27, 2011, 12:55 PM
Well now I can add a Freedom Arms 97 to my wish list!

1911Tuner
June 27, 2011, 01:34 PM
+1 JohnD. That's a good-lookin' single action.

Looks like the .41 maggers are crawlin' outta the woodwork.

galena
June 27, 2011, 05:26 PM
Sign me up guys. I have been a fan of the .41 Mag for some time. I bought my first in 1987 when I retruned from overseas. It is a M-57, round butt, 5' barrel. Yeah, someone "customized" it, the collector purists will howl but I like the darn thing. My second was a "Gun List" purchase from a pawn in Oklahoma. The ad read "S&W M-58 Excellent shape, $450.00" I fired off my money and a dealer friend's FFL, and imagine my suprise when I opened the box and there was a nickle plated, fully engraved M-58. I lettered it with S&W and it was an old San Antonio PD gun. Don't know who/when it was engraved and plated but they did a good job. Added some Rocky Mtn Elk horn grips from Eagle grips and made it my BBQ gun. The third is another M-58 with an S serial number. I haven't had it lettered yet. It is pretty much my carry piece when I am out of sight of the road. Forth is a Ruger Blackhawk, 4 5/8 barrel.

I shoot mostly reloads. Have a 210grn, jacketed hollow point right out of the Winchester Western brochure based on W-W 296, it will do the job. My everyday load is a hard lead, 210grn SWC, based on Blue Dot, it runs somewhere between 900-1000 fps. Little easier on my old arthritic hands.

Love my .41s. Keep shootin'

336A
June 27, 2011, 08:13 PM
Welcome galena you need to post pics of that engraved M58 before your put on double secret squirrel lock down;) This is great I hope we can keep this thread going. I asked this question in the hunting forum but I want to ask here as well. I'll be hunting hogs for the first time this year. Does anyone here know how effective a 215gr SWC over 8.5gr of Unique will be on on feral swine?

galena
June 27, 2011, 10:53 PM
Thanks for the kind words 336A. I'm not much at posting pics but here goes. Glad you started this thread. Keep shootin'

JohnD13
June 28, 2011, 07:48 AM
Nicely engraved S&W you have there galena. So now I know that a some point San Antonio PD carried .41's, it's been forty years since I've been in San Antonio, and I think I heard that New Mexico State Troopers carried them at one time. Can anyone think of any other PD's that carried a .41?

Hey 336A, your probably right about causing some stinging in the hand with those 250 grain loads! I'm just always experimenting. I'm sort of like the idea of a 1000fps load that would be accurate and not make me want to put the gun down after 50 rounds!

shaggy430
June 28, 2011, 08:49 AM
I'll join. I've got a Ruger Bisley Blackhawk in .41 magnum. Awesome pistol.

22-rimfire
June 28, 2011, 09:47 AM
I have a few 41 mag revolvers and would join. It is my favorite big bore caliber.

SeekHer
June 28, 2011, 10:15 AM
Count me in as well.

It is the only calibre of handgun that I possess excluding rimfires.

First was S&W, then a Dan Wesson Pistol Pac, then Ruger, Taurus, Thompson Center Contender, then Freedom Arms and a Marlin 1894G carbine...I'm really sorry that I passed on a Magnum Research Desert Eagle.

Red October
June 28, 2011, 12:01 PM
Count me in too.
I've owned 4 of them over the years and still regret selling the first one, a SW 657. None since have been as "right" as that one was.
Just got one now, a DW 41VH.

336A
June 28, 2011, 01:10 PM
That is a very nice M58 galena. BTW has anyone worked up to the max load with 2400 that is published in the most recent Hornady manual? They show 20gr with their 210gr XTP bullet. That is a full grain more than any other manufactures data that I've seen.

Also where can I find data for 2400 and commercial cast 215gr SWC bullets. Would it be safe to use the data that Lyman lists for their old 220gr bullet?

336A
June 28, 2011, 01:13 PM
JohnD, your right it is fun to experiment. However just thinking of launching a 250gr-265gr bulletnorth of 1250fps makes my hand smart just thinking about it.

Bush Pilot
June 28, 2011, 08:44 PM
Nicely engraved S&W you have there galena. So now I know that a some point San Antonio PD carried .41's, it's been forty years since I've been in San Antonio, and I think I heard that New Mexico State Troopers carried them at one time. Can anyone think of any other PD's that carried a .41?

Hey 336A, your probably right about causing some stinging in the hand with those 250 grain loads! I'm just always experimenting. I'm sort of like the idea of a 1000fps load that would be accurate and not make me want to put the gun down after 50 rounds!
I have a pretty nice 58 marked "SFPD". I'll bet that couldn't happen in California these days.

Bush Pilot
June 28, 2011, 08:47 PM
Well now I can add a Freedom Arms 97 to my wish list!
I've had one on my wish list for a looooong time, someday.

41 Mag
June 29, 2011, 05:25 AM
Well I guess I am late to the party as usual. :)

I got my first around 84 or so, a Ruger 3 screw flat top. It was a decent find at a pawn shop. It was used but hadn't had enough use to even get a ring around the cylinder. I kept it for several years then traded it off on a Redhawk which was what I had wanted from the get go.

Since then I have shot bullets of every brand, shape size and weight, but overall settled on the Remington 200gr SJHP. Like was mentioned the 170gr was an awesome bullet.

Speaking of the Remington 170gr SJHP, for all the good it will do, I shot an email to Midway, asking them to try and get Remington to do another special run of them. I contacted Remington not too long ago and they said they could easily do it if I had the money. A run would be about two semi's full. So if you have a chance fire a note off to Larry Potterfield at Midway, maybe they will get Remington to do a run of them. Hey, it never hurts to ask, worst that could happen is nothing.

As for other loads, the 200gr has been my staple load for going on 20yrs. Loaded over 20.5grs of 296 it is a very pleasant hunting or practice load and very accurate from my Redhawk, my bud's S7W and several others that we have tried it in. In showing my bud the differences that a crimp makes I shot these two groups at 40yds offhand. The wind was gusting around the end of the barn and somewhat skewed my group a little on the right.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f285/41nag/Shooting/P1010036-1.jpg

Overall I would not hesitate to haul mine out with this load hunting just about any ND game around. It simply shoots and with the mid range velocity running around 1300fps form my 7.5" barrel, the bullet doesn't blow up even when hitting the heavy shoulder on a big hog. They expand like you would want them to and drive on through.

You folks sure have some nice hardware posted up here. Almost makes me want to start shopping for another one. But I'm holding out for a 7.5" Redhawk in 45 Colt to complete my collection first.

336A
June 29, 2011, 07:11 AM
If Remington does bring that loading back I hope that they charge a reasonable price. I can't sse how they justify charging what they do for their 210gr loading, they sure are proud of it though askig $65 or more.

1911Tuner
June 29, 2011, 07:33 AM
That's the one drawback to being addicted to the .41 Magnum. The cost of commercially loaded ammunition pretty well makes handloading a necessity if you intend to actually shoot it.

336A
June 29, 2011, 07:44 AM
Actually much to my surprise not all .41 mag ammo is overly costly. It is expensive but so is .44 mag ammo. The last box of factory ammo I bought was some Speer 210gr DCHP for $27 something. The .44 mag ammo of the same brand actually cost more than my .41 mag ammo.

JohnD13
June 29, 2011, 07:45 AM
I'm going to have to find one of my old Speer manuals(I think it was Speer anyway), because I seem to remember a load that was 20 grains of 2400 with the Speer 220 SWCHP. The old half jacket bullet that I haven't seen in a long time. I like 2400, I can use it in several of the cartridges I shoot, and the less stuff I have in the way, the better! So, if I can find this load, it should work for your 215 grain bullet 336A.

336A
June 29, 2011, 07:58 AM
That is what I was thinking too John, but I do want to err on the side of safety. I'm surprised to see the wide variation between the Lyman cast bullet manual and the newer Pistol & Revolver handbook for the same loads. For example in the cast bullet manual they show a max load of Unique with their 215gr SWCGC bullet (410610) as being 10.4gr. In the new Pistol & Revolver book the max load has dropped to 8.7gr of Unique:scrutiny:

One thing that I did notice though is what the cartridges are being fired from between the two manuals. In the cast bullet manual they use a special vented Universal receiver barrel. In the new Pistol & revolver Handbook it is just a plain unvented Universal receiver of the same length. So I'm thinking that is th reason for the difference.

1911Tuner
June 29, 2011, 07:58 AM
For the record...

The old Speer half jacketed SWC bullets were 220 grains for the soft point and 200 for the hollowpoint.

I was sad to see Speer drop them, along with the .357s...160 and 146, and the .44s...240 and 225. They were excellent bullets. Also for what it's worth should anyone stumble across any...do not reduce the loads below minimum. Lightly loaded, the jackets would stick in the bore and send the core downrange. Yeah. Ask me how I know about that.

dap22
June 29, 2011, 08:00 AM
In. Love my Ruger .41 and Marlin 1894 FG. Absolutely my favorite caliber to shoot and reload bar none.

JohnD13
June 29, 2011, 08:04 AM
I just came across this on Leverguns.com, (I'd really like a Marlin 1894 in .41 too!). The article, called Sunday's Child, listed a load the author had for a 220 grain Keith style bullet over 20 grains of 2400. He says his velocity out of a S&W Mod. 57 was 1425 fps. and a calculated 992 ft.lbs. of energy. A fairly warm load!

1911 Tuner, I think I can guess what happened with the below minimum load! Experience is a GREAT teacher!

zfk55
June 29, 2011, 08:21 AM
I'm in. I inherited mine. Dad's still alive but he wanted to see me ejoy the firearms he gave me.
This is a Lew Horton Limited Edition Astra .41 Mag that he bought new around 1985. I got really lucky when he opened a couple of boxes in the armoury and there were 2,000 FMJHP's that he bought from Jeff Bartlett (www.gibrass.com) about 20 years ago! Better yet were the 2,000 brass he bought from Bartlett at the same time! I haven't shot any of the FMJHP's because I cast, but when I do carry it I have the JHPS in the cylinder.
This is a heavy monster and I love it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/zfk3155/Astra001.jpg

Yep. I got lucky. :D

JohnD13
June 29, 2011, 09:04 AM
Since we all are marching to a different drummer with the .41 magnum, do any of you have another favorite round that the mainstream has not taken to? Mine is the .375 Winchester Big Bore. Takes deer down like a lightning strike, but it never caught on. At least we now have a group for the .41!

Walkalong
June 29, 2011, 09:54 AM
a Lew Horton Limited Edition Astra .41 MagI have been keeping my eye out for an Astra in .41 Mag. I really like my Astra in that "other caliber". :)

1911Tuner
June 29, 2011, 10:31 AM
Not to mention that the .41 is a ridiculously simple cartridge to reload.
210 grains...cast or jacketed...with 8-9 grains Unique for general purpose, and 18 grains 2400 when real horsepower is called for.

Stepping up a little for those times when it has to go deep...a 230-grain hard cast bullet and 17.5 grains 2400...a maximum that should be approached carefully...is the ticket. That one will shoot through a sizable Russian boar lengthwise and into the sow standing behind him.

Bush Pilot
June 29, 2011, 01:10 PM
I don't suppose this thread would qualify for a sticky since it's clearly the most intelligent thread posted on THR for several years :rolleyes:

Bush Pilot
June 29, 2011, 01:20 PM
You guys are a bad influence with me being so sweet and innocent. Yesterday there WAS a 57-1 (nickel, 8 3/8", 90%) at my LGS. I asked the owner his best price, $575.00 OTD. While I'm not a huge fan of nickel guns, this one did belong in my stable of 41s.

galena
June 29, 2011, 03:44 PM
BUSH PILOT - Good Buy. I never find deals like that!!!!!!!! It might be becuase I am no longer "sweet and innocent." Enjoy! Keep shootin'

336A
June 29, 2011, 04:36 PM
Elmer Keith recommended 19-20 grains of 2400 behind the Hensly Gibbs #258 220gr bullet. I wonder if that would work for the commercial 215gr SWC? I know that from the base to the crimp groove the length is the same for both the 173gr 358429 (keith bullet) as it is for commercial 158gr .358" SWCBB bullets. I'm just unsure if this holds true for the .41 bullets as well. Keith also suggested sizing bullets to .410" too. I'm sure that however was due to the fact that his plain based bullet would obturate sealing both the throat and barrel.

osteodoc08
June 29, 2011, 04:53 PM
Count me in. I've been into the 41 mag since I shot my fathers Model 57 as a child. I'm in my thirties now. The impression left on me seeing that huge fireball still brings smiles to my face. As a graduation present my father presented me with an Acusport Ruger Bisley (SS) with 5.5" barrel. That is a shooting day I will soon not forget and will go down in the record books for sure. It is arguably my most prized firearm. My other is an old remington target master my neighbor gave me when he was moving. He was retiring and wanted me to have it instead of his own kids because he knew that it would end up in pawn shop. He wanted it passed down to my son who had recently been born at that time. He's now four and will be five this December.

Iggy
June 29, 2011, 05:23 PM
336A I carried 210 JHP's with 19 grains of 2400 for a duty load. Technically speaking(stretching the point just a wee bit) I made a one shot stop on a fleeing 1970 Ford Bronco with one.:evil:

336A
June 29, 2011, 06:03 PM
Iggy I remember that story. Not to many folks can claim having a one shot on a Bronco:cool:

1911Tuner
June 29, 2011, 06:12 PM
Be aware that Alliant 2400 isn't exactly the same as the old Hercules 2400. It seems to be a bit faster...so any old data should be reduced 10% and reapproached with caution.

JohnD13
June 30, 2011, 10:12 AM
Since I don't have a lot of experience with cast bullets yet, let me ask a question here. Am I right in thinking that you want to size your bullets to the throat diameter of the cylinder? Or do you want it .001 oversize? I have measured the cylinder throats with a vernier caliper and read them at .410. I then pushed a cast bullet through with a wood dowel, finger pressure wasn't going to get it, and measured that with a micrometer. It was .410 diameter. To me it seems that's the diameter I'll be wanting to go with, am I right?

41 Mag
June 30, 2011, 05:19 PM
Since I don't have a lot of experience with cast bullets yet, let me ask a question here. Am I right in thinking that you want to size your bullets to the throat diameter of the cylinder? Or do you want it .001 oversize? I have measured the cylinder throats with a vernier caliper and read them at .410. I then pushed a cast bullet through with a wood dowel, finger pressure wasn't going to get it, and measured that with a micrometer. It was .410 diameter. To me it seems that's the diameter I'll be wanting to go with, am I right?

Here is a link to just about everything you will ever need to know, about running cast bullets in your revolver,
The LASC Articles (http://www.lasc.us/ArticlesFryxell.htm)

Once there scroll down and open the link offered called "From Ingot to Target" by Glen E. Fryxell.

This will answer most all of the questions you might have on getting cast bullets to shoot properly.

I am new to shooting cast myself and have referred to this over and over checking and rechecking things. You might also head over to Castboolits as well, for quick answers while in the middle of something.

JohnD13
June 30, 2011, 05:41 PM
Thanks for the link .41 Mag. Looks like good information.

336A
June 30, 2011, 07:46 PM
Generally you want your cast bullet to be .001 larger than bore/groove diameter, so .411". Ironically Lyman uses universal receivers with a groove diameter of .409" for their .41 mag data.

mgregg85
June 30, 2011, 08:05 PM
I'm in, i've got the Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter model. I hope to start reloading for it soon.

RKRCPA
June 30, 2011, 08:27 PM
Elmer Keith recommended 19-20 grains of 2400 behind the Hensly Gibbs #258 220gr bullet. I wonder if that would work for the commercial 215gr SWC? I know that from the base to the crimp groove the length is the same for both the 173gr 358429 (keith bullet) as it is for commercial 158gr .358" SWCBB bullets. I'm just unsure if this holds true for the .41 bullets as well. Keith also suggested sizing bullets to .410" too. I'm sure that however was due to the fact that his plain based bullet would obturate sealing both the throat and barrel.

According to my Lyman #47 the 215gr SWC max was 18.8 while the 410459 has a max of 20.0. To my mind that makes sense as the 215gr seats a tad bit deeper in the case than the Keith bullet. But, as was noted prior, work up to it in your gun. BTW, my newest Lyman manual does not list either of these bullets. What's up with that?

336A
June 30, 2011, 08:40 PM
the #410610 (215gr SWCGC) is listed in the new Pistol & Revolver handbook that I have. I can't remember when it was printed but it was fairly recently. BTW .41 Mag Associates, if you don't cast I found another caster that has the best price on 215gr SWC that I have been able to find. I ordered 500 from them monday, supposedly they shipped the same day I have yet to receive them though. Here is the link to the site if your interested http://shop.snscasting.com/

llwsgn
June 30, 2011, 08:44 PM
Bought my first .41 about 3 months ago. 8 3/8" model 57-1 blued. So far so good. Been loading 210gr. Hornady xtp in front of 21.5gr win296. This gun is a peach to shoot.

336A
June 30, 2011, 09:07 PM
Alright 38 members and growing:)
1. 336A
2. 1911Tuner
3. Bushpilot
4. MMCSRET
5. Walkalong
6. Hunt480
7. Rexster
8. Slicksleeve
9. JohnD13
10. jdh
11. Iggy
12. Oriongunner
13. SharpsDressedMan
14. W.E.G.
15.45crittergitter
16. Loosedhorse
17. thodge
18. Kentucy Bucky
19. Jeff Holt
20. LC 92'
21. Rollis R. Karvellis
22. rc109a
23. RKRCPA
24. camar
25. 420Stainless
26. philoe
27. shooting4life
28. galena
29. shaggy430
30. seekHer
31. 22-rimfire
32. Red October
33. .41 Mag
34. dap22
35. zfk55
36. osteodoc08
37. mgregg85
38.llwsgn

1911Tuner
June 30, 2011, 09:18 PM
Should we cut it off at 41 members?

Just sayin'...

gbw
July 1, 2011, 12:21 AM
I'd like to apply, 2 M57s.

Bought he first one at the height of the M29/Dirty Harry craze - I was intrigued, but also wanted to not be a part of the herd. Found instead a new 8 3/8s blue 57. Probably one of the better impulse decisions I ever made.

Later found a nice 6" older model, 'S' SN in nickel which is just unrealistically accurate, I don't know why.

Shot them a lot at pins and silhouettes, then put them up for years. I've been shooting them again the past couple or 3 years and cannot figure out what I was waiting for. Wonderful revolvers / cartridge, luckily I stocked up on brass / bullets back in the day when they were out of favor ('it's NOT a .44 Magnum, don't you know'), and could be had cheap.

If / when I see a good 4", p/r 57 or 58, it's a goner too.

336A
July 1, 2011, 03:01 PM
welcome gbw glad to have you. I just got my box of bullets from SNS casting. I was very surprised to find the amount of care they took when packing my bullets in the box. I've never received bullets from any other vendor that were as carefully packed as these. The box was surrounded with some sort of thick matting type of packing material. On the top of the bullets inside the box is another peice of the material to keep the bullets from moving inside it as well.

From a visual stand point they seem to be high quality and are very clean. The lube from the limited few I handled and looked at fills the lube groove evenly with no excess on other parts of the bullet. I hope that they shoot as well as they look.

45crittergitter
July 2, 2011, 03:21 PM
Where's my .41 T-shirt and hat?

delgue
July 4, 2011, 11:45 AM
I have 2 .41's. What I'm lookin' for is some guidance in loadin' with a Keith style 210 gr. bullet in my Smith mod. 57 for defense. Really don't what to have to experiment with alot of different loads. Don't have the time or facilities. Lookin' for some help and good advice. Also the best place to buy these bullets. One last thing, in some posts I've read people say you should use a .411 or .412 when reloading lead bullets??? Anybody know whats up with that? Thanks fellas!

1911Tuner
July 4, 2011, 11:50 AM
del...8 grains of Unique.

336A
July 4, 2011, 12:40 PM
+1^^^ As far as lead bullet size goes I like to get lead bullets that are sized .001" over nominal groove diameter so .411". For cast bullets give these folks a try. They have the lowest prices that I've found and appear to be of very good quality. http://shop.snscasting.com/


BTW associates here is the new leather I got I love Simply Rugged products.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/336a/DSC00152.jpg

vmr357
July 4, 2011, 12:45 PM
I've got a couple of S&W .41's in my safe. A 6" 657 and a .41 Mountain Gun. I have a press and dies, but never yet put them to use. I've been looking for a good load for target shooting. You guys look like to group I should be watching. Sign me up.

Vern

336A
July 4, 2011, 12:56 PM
1911Tuner turned me on to 8.5gr of Unique for a target/general purpose load, it is a good one. It ain't overly light in the recoil department but it sure is accurate. From what I gather this load should be moving along close to 1100fps. For my range report you can go to post #48 to see how it shot for me. BTW welcome to the association.

1911Tuner
July 5, 2011, 04:47 PM
Just for the record...

Unique and the .41 and cast 210 SWCs were divinely ordained. I'm convinced of it and I'm stickin' to it.

7.5 grains duplicates the old "Police" load offered by Winchester and Remington...which had an advertised velocity of 970 fps. Most lots didn't quite make that, though, and averaged around 900-30 give or take. Some few didn't break 900. From my Model 58, 7.5 grains is good for 950 and will flirt with a thousand in the 4.625-inch Blackhawk.

Stepping up to 8 grains puts it solidly into the "Grand" category from most 4-inch barrels.
Accuracy improves a little as well.

8.5 grains is the Holy Grail for Unique and cast bullets and the .41 Magnum. 50-yard accuracy is often astounding, and it's no weak sister in the horsepower department.
1100 fps is attainable in short Blackhawks. There seems to be something about that extra half-grain that hits the pressure curve just right.

Going up another half to 9 grains, and you're starting to get into genuine "magnum" territory. Again, it just seems to hit the pressure curve just right for a decent velocity jump. Bump up to 10 grains, and you've into the point of diminishing returns, and there's really no sense in going above 9 grains. You get more recoil and noise for little power gain.

If more power and velocity is needed...it's time to switch to 2400 and start over. The .41 seems to respond better to 2400 than the "other" two magnums, and rewards the careful handloader with velocities at safe pressures that make me look at the chrono screen and ask: "Are you sure about that?" Then...several more rounds verifies that it wasn't a fluke...and the accuracy is still right there, unlike some calibers and power loads that often start to scatter shots as pressure and velocity go up. I don't know what to make of it, or attribute it to...but the .41 is just nearly as perfect a revolver cartridge as anything I've seen. Good bullet diameter and mass...velocity and power...accuracy...flat trajectory. It's got it all, and a shame that it's been eclipsed by its smaller and bigger cousins, and ignored for the most part. Of course, the upside is that there are more .41 Magnum revolvers for me. :cool:

Now for the caveat. 2400 provides a sharp rise in velocities at safe pressures, but when the peak is reached...it can spike quickly and become unsafe with just a half-grain more powder. (Yeah. Ask me how I'd know about that.) When you start to see only small velocity increases with half-grain increments...stop. You've taken it as far as it's gonna go without taking a risk.

1911Tuner
July 5, 2011, 05:09 PM
Oh! Almost forgot. A word on handloading...mostly intended for those who are just starting, but also for some experienced hands.

Something that many don't understand is that powder burn rates are only relative. They're not constant and they're not the same for all applications. 2400, for instance might burn faster in one caliber than in another...and it doesn't remain constant with an increase in pressure. As pressure goes up, powder burns faster. As a certain pressure level is reached, the burn rate of the remaining powder may burn as fast as Unique...or even as fast as Bullseye. That's what gets many handloaders in trouble, and that's why sometimes the only difference between a safe load and a dangerous one is a half-grain more powder.

As a wise man once noted...and this is paraphrased to match the caliber:

"The pressure required to accelerate a 210 grain bullet to 1200 fps in 4 inches of barrel is more than sufficient to blow your eyes through the back of your head."


Let's be careful.

336A
July 5, 2011, 10:21 PM
1911Tuner I do agree with you whole heartedly about Unique. I like it as much for my .38 SPL as I do in the .41 mag. That 8.5gr load is a good one for sure and one I'll be using a lot. BTW what is a good full power loading with a run of the mill commercial 215gr SWC. I can't find any load data for it with 2400. Would it be safe to use the data put out by Lyman for their version of the 220gr Keth bullet?

Chindo18Z
July 5, 2011, 10:43 PM
Nothing to contribute re: reloading.

I usually just keep both my four inch 57 & my 58 stoked with 175 gr Winchester Silvertips.

It's a good moderate load, low muzzle flash, and allows for easy followup shots coming out of the N-Frames.

Anyway, count me in the club.

1911Tuner
July 6, 2011, 05:02 AM
336...5 grains more weight won't mean anything. The main factor in increasing pressure is how much space does the bullet use up in the case when it's seated. Compare a 210 grain bullet with a 215 or 220. The length from the crimp groove to the base will determine whether to adjust your powder charges. If it's a little longer...back off a grain.

Different makers' bullets vary in design, which is why the rule of thumb is to back off the powder charge whenever any component is changed...even with bullets of the same weight. If there's more bullet behind the crimp groove, it eats up more space and presents more bearing surface to the barrel...which drives pressure up.

Chindo...The 175 Silvertip is a good round, for sure. I like it a lot, but around here it's hard to find and hella high-dollar when I do.

Chindo18Z
July 6, 2011, 03:19 PM
1911Tuner: Yeah, the Winchester factory fodder has gone up (like every other version of .41 Magnum)

A couple of years ago, I started buying every box I came across, as for some reason, the Silvertips seemed to gather dust on LGS shelves. I was constantly running across boxes for $14-$18. In any event, I managed to put away a fair amount of stock with the idea that I would have a decent load and lots of future available brass.

I obviously need to reload. Just never had the space for it over the last couple of decades living an itinerant lifestyle. No excuses nowadays.

JohnD13
July 6, 2011, 03:44 PM
Is there any advantage/disadvantage to gas checked bullets? I'm not planning on running them at jacketed bullet speeds. Found a couple boxes of 210 SWC from American Cast Bullet Co. in my reloading things, so I'll start there with the 8.5 grain Unique load 1911 Tuner mentioned.

Redbone311
July 6, 2011, 10:41 PM
Count me in too! I "JUST" bought my first 41 mag today! A Ruger old model 3 screw w/ a 4 5/8 barrel. Can't wait to get it. Waiting on the UPS guy to deliver it. What can brown due for you? .......... he can hurry up and deliver my gun.

I'm also new to this forum. This is only my second post. Member of other multiple forums however.

Chindo18Z
July 6, 2011, 10:49 PM
Welcome Redbone311.

I had the same weapon a long time ago and foolishly traded it away. It was my second .41 Mag. That barrel length just looks "right" on a Blackhawk.

Enjoy your Ruger!

Bush Pilot
July 7, 2011, 03:48 PM
Count me in too! I "JUST" bought my first 41 mag today! A Ruger old model 3 screw w/ a 4 5/8 barrel. Can't wait to get it. Waiting on the UPS guy to deliver it. What can brown due for you? .......... he can hurry up and deliver my gun.

I'm also new to this forum. This is only my second post. Member of other multiple forums however.
Nice choice on your first .41, post a pic when you can. I assume you're waiting for UPS to show up at your FFL and not your house.

1911Tuner
July 7, 2011, 04:12 PM
Redbone...You know that old 3-Screw is really mine and you're just lookin' after it for a spell. Right?

Walkalong
July 7, 2011, 08:52 PM
Don't hold yer breath Tuner. :D

Nice choice on your first .41, post a pic when you canYep, gotta have a pic. :)

w1mnk
July 7, 2011, 11:49 PM
Count me in!! I have a 57 and a 657 and am a fan of the 41 Magnum.

1911Tuner
July 8, 2011, 08:05 AM
Relax. Relax and let your mind clear. You only hear the sound of my voice.

The 3-screw is mine. The 3-screw is mine.

Relax and hear my voice.

You are compelled to obey.

Miiiiiiiine. Miiiiiiiiiine.

RKRCPA
July 8, 2011, 08:55 AM
I finally had a chance to get the chronograph out to the range this past weekend. It was hot but the range was empty which made things go a lot easier.

The shooter stations on the range:
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s342/rkrcpa1/July%204%202011/ShootingShack.jpg

http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s342/rkrcpa1/July%204%202011/Setup1.jpg

I brought a few things to test since I hadn't been out with the Chrony in so long
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s342/rkrcpa1/July%204%202011/Todaystoys.jpg

This one is my favorite, it's had a lot of use and could use some refinishing but it shoots well.
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s342/rkrcpa1/July%204%202011/Bisley.jpg

This is how I had my Chrony set up, I'm on the 150yd rifle range so nobody would disturb me.
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s342/rkrcpa1/July%204%202011/RifleRange.jpg

Once I got everything setup I was ready to shoot.
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s342/rkrcpa1/July%204%202011/Setup2.jpg

And since we're talking 41mags, here's how that turned out.
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s342/rkrcpa1/July%204%202011/Results.jpg

All in all it was a good trip to the range.

Redbone311
July 8, 2011, 09:18 AM
RKRCPA - who makes the chrono your using?
I'm in the market to buy one. And I love the printout and shot date info it provides to you. Very nice!

RKRCPA
July 8, 2011, 10:06 AM
Redbone - That printout is from an Excel spreadsheet, I'm using the low budget Chrony model. It doesn't have any of the bells and whistles but I don't really need them either. I've had the Chrony for many years and it does a nice job, I just jot down the velocities when I'm at the range and input them when I get home.

Redbone311
July 9, 2011, 01:01 AM
OK thanks RKRCPA for the reply. I never got Excel to look that nice. But obviously I have to give it a better try.

Walkalong
July 9, 2011, 08:42 PM
I never got Excel to look that niceIt is fairly simple cell formatting. Adding a pic, or emoticons, is fairly easy as well.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=145313&stc=1&d=1310258510

WVfishguy
July 10, 2011, 12:31 AM
I picked up this pristine S&W Model 57 for $500 out the door at a pawn shop:
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/WVfishguy/000_0001-4.jpg
I like this hand load for plinking/defense: 215 LSWC (Missouri Bullet Co.) in front of 8.0 grains of Universal Clays, regular (not magnum) primers.
This is a stiff load, and I now need rubber grips for this one, since I have arthritis in my fingers.
I also like 11.5 grains of HS6 behind a 200 grain lead bullet, which is also a real kicker. It produces a lot of smoke.
An even better SD load is a Remington made 200 grain jacketed hollow point using 12.4 grains of HS6. This would kick butt for police work. Lethal, but not hard to control
The Model 57 revolver is my Pride & Joy. :)

ko41
July 10, 2011, 11:53 AM
Hardly been a .41 Magnum made that I didn't like.
Dad let me shoot his S&W 58 when I was about 14 or 15 years old. Bought my first .41 Magnum in 1983, a blue S&W Model 57 with 8.375" barrel, next was another long tube Model 57 but in nickel finish, followed by a 3" S&W 657..then a nickel 58...then a 6" blue 57...then a 6.5" 657 Classic Hunter...and so on :)

My three basic loads.
7.9gr Unique-220gr Lyman 410459 sized .410
18.5gr 2400-220gr Lyman 410459 sized .410
21.0gr H110-210gr Sierra JHC
These all have given me excellent accuracy in Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger and Dan Wesson revolvers and the Sierra 210gr JHC is superb in the Marlin 1894 and Desert Eagle.

Some of my .41s are pictured here ---click>>> 41 Magnum (http://www.flickr.com//photos/38075781@N07/sets/72157625249256222/show/)

KO

1911Tuner
July 10, 2011, 12:16 PM
Our numbers are growing. Very soon, we shall rule.

Bush Pilot
July 10, 2011, 02:50 PM
I picked up this pristine S&W Model 57 for $500 out the door at a pawn shop:
http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/WVfishguy/000_0001-4.jpg
I like this hand load for plinking/defense: 215 LSWC (Missouri Bullet Co.) in front of 8.0 grains of Universal Clays, regular (not magnum) primers.
This is a stiff load, and I now need rubber grips for this one, since I have arthritis in my fingers.
I also like 11.5 grains of HS6 behind a 200 grain lead bullet, which is also a real kicker. It produces a lot of smoke.
An even better SD load is a Remington made 200 grain jacketed hollow point using 12.4 grains of HS6. This would kick butt for police work. Lethal, but not hard to control
The Model 57 revolver is my Pride & Joy. :)
Nice gun! How long ago did you get it for $500.00? That gun would sell for $700.00+ in my neck of the woods.

Bush Pilot
July 10, 2011, 02:52 PM
Our numbers are growing. Very soon, we shall rule.
Modesty prevents .41 mag shooters from bragging about ruling the roost, everyone else secretly knows it already.

Hanshi
July 10, 2011, 03:31 PM
Count me in as a BIG fan of the .41mag. It's an ideal whitetail wheel gun if there ever was one. I've used both cast and jacketed bullets on deer and prefer the 210grn Hornady HP.

Iggy
July 10, 2011, 07:52 PM
ko41

http://www.flickr.com//photos/38075781@N07/sets/72157625249256222/show/

That Sir is a serious accumulation of .41's

Nice collection and nice presentation.:)

delgue
July 11, 2011, 06:27 AM
I agree with Iggy...WOW!!!

JohnD13
July 11, 2011, 11:53 AM
Iggy, that .41 collection has made my reliable old Blackhawk lonely! Now I have to start looking for some company for it! I always liked the look of the Mod.57 S&W, or maybe the Redhawk in .41 if I could find one for less then $850.

ko41
July 11, 2011, 08:23 PM
Thanks, .41 Magnums have been a passion of mine since my dad let shoot his Model 58 forty years ago.
These last ten years I've really picked up the pace of adding to my collection and tomorrow I get to take delivery of a 6 inch S&W Model 57 "Pinto"! :)

KO
41 Magnum (http://www.flickr.com//photos/38075781@N07/sets/72157625249256222/show/)

Chindo18Z
July 11, 2011, 10:18 PM
ko41: I can't decide if I should hate you...or worship you.

That is one very nice collection. :)

primers
July 11, 2011, 10:51 PM
Is it too late too join up??? My first post on this website and you guys have one of the best calibers up for a club site....I love it...I am the proud owner of a Blackhawk anniversary edition 71 era...It is by far my favorite gun for carry or just plinking...

Bmont2409
July 11, 2011, 11:56 PM
I just purchased a S&W 58 last Saturday evening as the store was closing and went back the next day to look for ammo. This stuff is expensive so I guess I will purchase a set of dies and some cast bullets and give it a try. This gun had been refinished and the guy did less than excellent work so it may get a redo in the near future. Look forward to trying this baby out.

Bush Pilot
July 12, 2011, 12:11 AM
Is it too late too join up??? My first post on this website and you guys have one of the best calibers up for a club site....I love it...I am the proud owner of a Blackhawk anniversary edition 71 era...It is by far my favorite gun for carry or just plinking...
You're not too late to join, welcome. The bad side is everyone through post 136 got in free, 137 and after are considered tier II members and there will be a $50.00 annual charge. Since the .41 mag assoc is the best you're getting off cheap.

Redbone311
July 13, 2011, 12:37 AM
You're not too late to join, welcome. The bad side is everyone through post 136 got in free, 137 and after are considered tier II members and there will be a $50.00 annual charge. Since the .41 mag assoc is the best you're getting off cheap.

That is correct "primers". PM me and I will send you my address for the payment.

Redbone311
July 13, 2011, 12:40 AM
It is fairly simple cell formatting. Adding a pic, or emoticons, is fairly easy as well.

Thanks "walkalong" pretty impressive and I will give it a shot.

ko41
July 14, 2011, 06:31 AM
My most recent .41 Magnum acquisition. Serial number dates it to 1977-1978.


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k193/ko41/41%20Magnum/pinto57.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k193/ko41/41%20Magnum/pinto57r.jpg

KO

Bush Pilot
July 14, 2011, 11:51 AM
Sweet gun!!! Can you outline everything that has been done to the gun? Thx.

336A
July 14, 2011, 04:27 PM
Nice pinto S&W and collection you have there ko41.

CraigC
July 15, 2011, 12:59 PM
Came real close to getting into the .41Mag a few years ago. Found a relatively scarce fluted cylinder Ruger Bisley. It was very minty, with the original box for around $400. Unfortunately, some dummy did not know how the trigger pin was retained and had scratched up the frame trying to punch it out. Would've required refinishing and I already had several projects in the works. Had to pass on it....always regretted it. Some day.......

Bush Pilot
July 19, 2011, 12:54 AM
Bump

22-rimfire
July 19, 2011, 03:33 PM
The "pinto" M57. Never seen one. I have a Colt Official Police 22 that is similar to that one. Rare bird. Ko41, that is an amazing collection of 41 mag firearms. Thank you for sharing it.

thodge
July 19, 2011, 09:56 PM
I have a Ruger SBH with a 1:20 twist barrel, and if not mistaken, S&W 57 or 58 has a 1:18.75 twist. Does anyone know why the different twist rate by manufactures. I'm guessing that with Ruger, it will handle the larger lead bullets that's available.

primers
July 19, 2011, 10:46 PM
Dang ....I have gotten over five pm's for that $50...it could get expensive around here...

mes227
July 20, 2011, 02:28 AM
Here's my latest - S&W 657 Performance Center with 3" barrel, non fluted cylinder and great grips. It's only been to the range once but I'm soon to fix that. It joins my 657 no dash and 657 Lew Horton.

336A
July 20, 2011, 06:44 AM
I have a Ruger SBH with a 1:20 twist barrel, and if not mistaken, S&W 57 or 58 has a 1:18.75 twist. Does anyone know why the different twist rate by manufactures. I'm guessing that with Ruger, it will handle the larger lead bullets that's available.

I'm not sure why Ruger uses a different twist rate than S&W. I've not heard anything either about Ruger revolvers in .41 mag not being able to handle heavier bullets. Since you mention it I'm curious to know if anyone has used the .41 version of the SSK bullet such as this http://www.pennbullets.com/41/41-caliber.html

frankt
July 20, 2011, 11:53 PM
I am In!

I bought my 4 5/8" Blackhawk in 1968 and still have it.

A few years ago I got a steal on a 7.5" Redhawk Stainless.

I have always handloaded for mine. Usually Lasercast with SWC but have also taken deer with Hornady XTP and remington JSP. I never had a deer go over 15-20 yards after being hit with the .41.
After trying a lighter load of Unique in a .44 mag, I tried the 8.5 Unique load in the .41 and I do like it.
Pleasant to shoot but will still do the job.

My late BIL got me interested in the .41 as he carried a nickel 58 in law Enforcement for a lot of years. I can still see that short jacket that was so popular and that 58 in a Jordan holster right by his hand.

CraigC
July 22, 2011, 04:34 PM
I don't think the twist rate will be an issue with either gun. All Ruger .44Mag's utilize a 1-20" twist and they handle Beartooth 355's just fine. The S&W's cylinder length will probably be an issue long before the twist rate.

1911Tuner
July 23, 2011, 01:08 PM
Ahhhh! Got out of the house early enough to beat the heat today, and headed to the range with one of my .41 Blackhawks. That 210-grain cast bullet and 9 grains of Unique sure knocks the soup outta the fallin' plates. Some of'em got smacked so hard, they bounced back up.

336A
July 23, 2011, 01:45 PM
I'll have to give 9.0gr of Unique a try next time I get out to the range again.

todd_g
July 23, 2011, 11:42 PM
My application and check is in the mail, I'll be waiting on my card. I bought my first and only .41 in 1986, a new model blackhawk in a 6.5" barrell while in the Marine Corps. in Cali. I bought an RCBS press and dies right on base at Camp Pendleton. I reloaded a lot of ammo in the barracks, it was against the the rules to have ammo or personal firearms in our rooms, I just never got caught. The jarhead I got the Ruger from also had the Marlin lever gun but I couldn't talk him out of that one. I have shot thousands of cast and some jacketed and that old Ruger still looks almost new. I take it hunting with me every year but my rifles usually take care of the business. I know my Ruger can handle some pretty toastie loads, how do the Smiths do ?

ACP230
July 24, 2011, 06:01 PM
I would like to associate myself with you folks.
A blued M57 was my first .41. Shot bowling pins with it at the old Second Chance Shoot.
Ran 210, 215 or 225 grain bullet with enough Unique to push them to 1,000 or 1,100 fps.
The pins left the table pronto in a shower of splinters. The same loads also work extremely well on steel plates.

Since then several other Smiths, three Rugers and a Marlin 1894FG have joined the herd.
Mostly shoot cast bullets but have some jacketed HPs and soft points put by.

336A
July 26, 2011, 07:24 PM
Bump:D

Oyeboten
July 27, 2011, 02:07 AM
Count me in!


I only have one .41 Magnum Revolver, an S-Prefix S & W Model 58 which is close to brand new condition.


Tried it a few times out at the Range, and feel very comfortable with it.

I did find that Ear Protectors were more important with this Cartridge than the low pressure ones I was used to. Lol...

Looking forward to re-Loading for it also.

Totally charming Revolver and Cartridge combination.

Chief_Cabioch
July 27, 2011, 02:12 AM
Has anyone messed around with the 170gr bullets from Sierra? It seems as though it would make a decent SD bullet for the .41 mag.
__________________
If numbers killed I'd be hunting with a calculator


my personal favorite is the 175 grain Winchester Silvertip.....

336A
July 27, 2011, 06:55 AM
So associates what is it that has endeared you to the .41 mag? For me it is because I inherited my fathers' service revolver which is a S&W M58. It exhibits a tad bit of endshake so I take it easy on the ol' gal and stick with the lighter police loading. Once I got into reloading for the .41 I soon learned that revolvers chambered for this fine round seem to have tighter tolerances in cylinder throat & barrel dimensions. Which no doubt contribute greatly to the .41's reputation for fine accuracy.

The other reason I like it is I love the response you get when your asked what is that your shooting. Then the bystander usually replies back with .4 what?:cool: I really can't wait to use it on game this year whether it be deer or hogs.

1911Tuner
July 27, 2011, 07:19 AM
To me, it's just the perfect revolver cartridge. Between the Model 29 and the 57/58, the .41 offers comparable power and more strength in the cylinder walls. It shoots flatter than the .44 at similar velocities, and the loaded cartridge is even more aesthetically and proportionally pleasing, especially with SWC bullets.

And I've met with the same response that you have. "Forty...HUH?? You mean .44 Magnum?" I've even had a few argue that no such thing exists. I've even had to prove it to a couple of'em by showing them the gun with the roll mark because they insisted that .41 Mag on a headstamp had to be a misprint from a bad die. (No kiddin')

Of course, that's not such a bad thing. If word really got out, we'd have a glut of used .44s on the shelves and nary a .41 in sight. :D

Red October
July 27, 2011, 12:30 PM
I used to shoot with a guy who was a .44 Mag nut. He started with a Model 29 and ended up with a Desert Eagle (actually had the first one in town when they came out). I would shoot my 657 (which I still regret selling) against his DE. While I know the .44 has more energy, you couldn't really tell much difference in damage done, although I got better penetration.
My 657 didn't kick as bad as his 29, and wasn't nearly as heavy as the DE.
I think .41 serves it's original goal well: more power than the .357, but less recoil (and more controllable) than most .44s.

Bush Pilot
July 27, 2011, 12:36 PM
To me, it's just the perfect revolver cartridge. Between the Model 29 and the 57/58, the .41 offers comparable power and more strength in the cylinder walls. It shoots flatter than the .44 at similar velocities, and the loaded cartridge is even more aesthetically and proportionally pleasing, especially with SWC bullets.

And I've met with the same response that you have. "Forty...HUH?? You mean .44 Magnum?" I've even had a few argue that no such thing exists. I've even had to prove it to a couple of'em by showing them the gun with the roll mark because they insisted that .41 Mag on a headstamp had to be a misprint from a bad die. (No kiddin')

Of course, that's not such a bad thing. If word really got out, we'd have a glut of used .44s on the shelves and nary a .41 in sight. :D
It's our mission in life to educate the ignorant.

Walkalong
July 27, 2011, 04:15 PM
"Forty...HUH??Yep. My buddy at work looked at me and said "a fourty one?" "I never heard of a .41".

Bush Pilot
July 29, 2011, 12:53 PM
Bump...

sw282
July 29, 2011, 08:26 PM
My first N frame was a M57 6'' bought back in the mid 70s. l shot it some and loved it. Then l got into IHMSA and decided l needed more gun. l traded it for a M29 8''. l shot silh w/44mag for several yrs before losing interest and going
on to rifles and bottom feeders.
A couple yrs back l rekindled my interest in silh, Shooting my Mod 29 in a couple matches. Meanwhile l happened on a M57 8'' on the net . l started shooting the .41 instead of my 44 because the red insert fell out. Boy what a difference. l just love this thing on silh. A hair less recoil. Shoots flatter tho. l may stay with it. l ran into some of those 220gr Speer half jackets and am loving them. Sorry to hear they are gone. l also bought another 57 6''. Now l need a 4''
My gole is to become proficient w/my 41s. Good enough to kill a black bear.
l hunted them yrs ago in Pa w/rifle. Rifles just dont excite me anymore
41s do tho.

Drail
July 29, 2011, 08:49 PM
It is the thinking man's cartridge. I will never sell any of mine. I have a Bisley that totally amazes people at the range for long range work and with the heaviest loads I can shoot it all day if I'm in the mood.

1911Tuner
July 30, 2011, 08:20 AM
The thinking man's cartridge.

Hmmm...

I like that.

delgue
July 31, 2011, 07:45 AM
OK fellas, ya'll helped me immensely findin' a good load for my .41's. Now I have another question. Now I'm in the process of workin' on getting a CCW. My .41's are bigger than i want to carry comfortably. A Blackhawk and Mod. 58 M&P. Does anyone or has anyone made a .41 in a compact version that would be suitable for concealed carry? I have plenty of other handguns but i sure would feel with comfortable with a compact .41. I like my .45's but would prefer a revolver to take out any thought process should I have to use it. Thanks

336A
July 31, 2011, 10:21 AM
Does anyone or has anyone made a .41 in a compact version that would be suitable for concealed carry?

There have been some 3" .41's made by S&W in limited runs, however their N frames so their not very compact. It is situations like yours that may of us including me wish someone would legitimze the .41 SPL.

Rollis R. Karvellis
July 31, 2011, 06:10 PM
My 1st 41 was a Blackhawk, that came into my buddies shop used, he wanted to move it quick, and I, was in the mood to buy. It was nice but was sold with several other guns during a rough spell. Then a buddy of mine had a 657 he bough 2nd hand, or maybe 10th hand. Still have it. Even have an old progressive set up for it alone.

45crittergitter
August 1, 2011, 09:03 PM
Has anyone messed around with the 170gr bullets from Sierra? It seems as though it would make a decent SD bullet for the .41 mag.

I haven't fooled with these yet, but the 170 gr. Remington SJHP at an honest 1600 fps makes a pretty impressive mess. Apparently Remington discontinued that bullet (and load). :banghead:

Red October
August 2, 2011, 12:21 PM
Haven't tried the Sierra 170s.
I do like the Sierra 210 grain JHP pushed by 17.6 grains of 2400. Speer shows this as a hot load in more recent manuals. Back in the 80's when I started shooting .41, this was a medium load. Always worked well in a 6" S&W.

CraigC
August 2, 2011, 01:42 PM
Gary Reeder claims the 170gr Sierra is the best available game bullet for the .41Mag. Don't know for sure and don't care for Reeder in general but he's killed a lot of critters with it.

Bush Pilot
August 2, 2011, 11:47 PM
Gary Reeder claims the 170gr Sierra is the best available game bullet for the .41Mag. Don't know for sure and don't care for Reeder in general but he's killed a lot of critters with it.
What size game? I'd hesitate to shoot anything larger than deer with a 170 gr bullet.

336A
August 3, 2011, 03:43 AM
^^^^+1 A 170gr bullet is a little to light for my liking even for deer. I'm sure it can be and has been done but I'd be very cautious with the shot angle. I know that Win rates their 175gr ST as deer capable too, but IMHO it falls in the catagory as the above and certainly wouldn't be my first pick.

Audiodoode
August 3, 2011, 10:29 AM
Has anyone messed around with the 170gr bullets from Sierra? It seems as though it would make a decent SD bullet for the .41 mag.
Yes, indeed!
It's what I use to handgun hunt deer and also for targeting, and it does the trick.
It's also what will be used for self defense, should the need arise.
I'm not afraid of recoil, but I don't go looking for new ways to reintroduce myself to old, bad habits either (flinching).
For that reason, I love the 170 gr. Sierra semi-jacketed H.P.'s.

Bush Pilot
August 4, 2011, 11:42 PM
Bump...

336A
August 14, 2011, 07:04 PM
Bump

336A
August 20, 2011, 06:30 PM
Hello again folks I have a quick question for you. I was reading over the real guns articles that I posted a link to in one of my earlier posts. In the article he stated that his BH had had no wiggle at full lock up so I decided to check mine. Here is my question for those of you that own Rugers are your revolvers bank vault tight at full lock up? I checked mine and the cylinder has just a ever so slightly weeee bit of movement. What are the members Rugers like here? and is this something that will cause me issues down the road?

roger460xvr
August 20, 2011, 08:39 PM
I love my 41.magnum ruger newmodel blackhawk..........:)

thodge
August 20, 2011, 11:40 PM
336a, I have a SBH and I checked mine and have a wee bit of play side to side and forward and back. I too do'nt know if this is any concern. I bought mine a couple months ago new. I have had problems finding my sweet load. I have been playing with AA#9 and this gun does not like it. Bullets all fly low to the left. Bought some Honady 41 XTP's factory ammo from Cabelas, good price @ 20.99 for a box of 20, at least they would hit the target. I've just loaded some test rounds using H110 and will to to the range tomarrow and test the H110 loads.

RX-178
August 21, 2011, 03:14 AM
I may not be a member yet, but a S&W Mountain Gun in .41 Mag is on my short list of handguns I want in the future.

It's right behind a .460 Rowland handgun (either XD or 1911), and ahead of a 10mm (either Witness Hunter or Fusion Longslide)

336A
August 21, 2011, 11:08 AM
Thodge, I've recently come to learn that that wee bit of movement is nothing to be worried about. I'm surprised that AA#9 isn't doing well for you as I've heard a lot of good things about that powder. I have found that 18.5gr of 2400 with either a Sierra or Hornady bullet to be quite accurate in my .41 BH.

scramasax
August 21, 2011, 11:36 AM
delgue,

The only problem with the .41m is it only comes in an N frame. My carry wheelgun is a model 58 with a 3 1/2 md 57 barrel custom. The work was done by C&S. They cut and installed the 57 bbl, Mcgivern front sight, action job, cylinder locking ball on crane, Hard chrome. Just wished I could have gotten a mg bbl to put on it. Sighted in for WinST 175.

My ideal wheelgun to carry in town would be a five shot l frame size .41spl.

Cheers,

ts

thodge
August 21, 2011, 05:41 PM
336a, Glad that the cyclinder wiggle is not an issue for us. Went to the range today and shoot the h110 test loads. Loaded 3 rounds each from 19.8gr-20.2gr. The 20.2gr load gave me the best group @ about 2 1/4". I have loaded more from 20.3gr-20.5gr and hope one of these will tighten the group. I am disappointed that aa#9 is not working, really wanted to use this powder and alot cleaner than h110, it does work good in my Colt 357 though. H110 does seem to give a bit more recoil than #9 does.

336A
August 21, 2011, 05:53 PM
I have a small amount of H110 that I've been using for my .44 Marlin levergun. I haven't used it in my .41 at all as 2400 seems to do what I need doing in the .41. Once I use up the H110 I'll be switching over to 2400 for my .44 levergun loads as well. Hope you find a good load with H110.

230therapy
September 10, 2011, 10:28 PM
S&W Model 58

I was firing Speer 210 grain DCHP rounds. They are very stout, but not painful like 44 Magnum. The stocks were terrible and allowed the back of the triggerguard to smack my knuckle. Herrett Stocks should tame it and improve my terrible accuracy. This gun is begging for 170 or 210 grain SWC's flying at 900 FPS...those should be fun.

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/photo-4.jpg

Leanwolf
September 11, 2011, 12:52 AM
May I join?

I only have two .41s: a S&W 57, 6" barrel I bought new in 1980, with Deacon Deeson Skeeter Skelton Bear Hug grips I got from Deacon in 1985, and a Marlin 1894S carbine in .41 Mag. I bought new in 1987. Great combo for out in the boonies.

I am a firm believer in 8.5 grains of Unique behind a 210/215 grains SWC, and 18.0 grains of 2400 behind a 210 grains JHP. From the Marlin, you should see what that load will do on a coyote at about 60 yards. :what:

L.W.

Dave Workman
September 11, 2011, 12:57 AM
I have three .41 Magnums...

a Model 57 S&W vintage 1979-80 and a pair of Ruger Blackhawks, one with a 6 1.2-in bbl and the other with the 4 5/8-in bbl.
I've killed two deer with the longer Blackhawk, and once took 2nd place in the Elmer Keith long range handgun shoot near Spokane with the Smith.

I shoot a 210-grain Nosler JHP ahead of 19 grs of H110 or 17.5 grs of 2400. Great load!

Missionary
September 11, 2011, 05:49 AM
Good morning
Been popping LP caps in caliber .41´s since 1981 and happy to do so.. Only thing better than a .41 mag is the 414 Super Mag !
Mike in Peru

Missionary
September 11, 2011, 06:00 AM
Good morning
Started reading through the post here for the .41 Mag Assoc. Any bullet weight the so called 44 Mag (.43 mag) will shoot accurately the .41 mag will also do. You need to step out of the old "Police Load" mentality and start thinking about this being a Large bore magnum revolver. I shoot up to 280 grainers in my Dan Wesson 8". 240 grainers in my Rugers. Other brands get 210´s or less as they are what they are.
Granted I cast my own & learned a long time ago that the experts generally repeat the the same line of dribble they read years ago that the masses think is written on stone. But the .41 mag will handle 240 grainers without any problem and are by far a better hunnting bullet than any 170 grainer will ever be.
Mike in Peru

whalerman
September 11, 2011, 06:58 AM
What is your feeling on the availability of factory ammo for the 41 Magnum? We read all kinds of things about how it will be phased out. Is this a caliber that will be hand loaded only in the near future?

partricp
September 11, 2011, 12:48 PM
I have a nickel plated model 57 with an 8 3/8 inch bbl. She likes 215 gr lswc at about 1100 fps when drilling holes in paper and the 250 gr federal cast core factory loads have worked well on deer and black bear.

1911Tuner
September 12, 2011, 07:16 AM
You need to step out of the old "Police Load" mentality and start thinking about this being a Large bore magnum revolver.

Why? Except for hunting, protection against large animals on a nature hike, and metallic silhouette, there's really no need for the romp'n'stomp that we know the .41 Magnum is capable of.

It's rather like a Corvette. The driver spends more time negotiating traffic and cruising the interstate than pegged out.


The "Police Load" can be duplicated...actually bested...with a 210-215 grain cast SWC and 7.5 grains of Unique. It's accurate...pleasant to shoot...it doesn't beat up the gun or the shooter, and it's not exactly a weak sister. Stepping up to 8.5 or 9.0 grains lends it a bit more authority, beating the standard .45 Colt by a good margin, and is well-suited to general purpose when the need for full power isn't anticipated.

Walkalong
September 12, 2011, 09:20 AM
I shot some "mid-range" .41 Mag loads (210's at 900ish) Saturday at the range. Lots of fun, and still plenty of power for many tasks.

Missionary
September 12, 2011, 10:45 AM
Greetings
Probably for most people shooting paper is all they ever do with a .41 mag so I can understand why a 210 grainer at 900 fps is more than adequete. But someone who is looking for a load to knock down 50 pound steel rams at 200 meters or punch through the shoulders of a 350 lb. piggy or go after bear, panthers (that Illinois Dept of Cons. say do not exist) and critters that just might take offense at your being there, then you will be rather happy to know the .41 is not the "little cousin" to the mighty .43 mag (oops so called 44 mag) but a full power smasher that will get the job done.
I have no dought mild loads are fun to shoot as I do that very often. But do not be deceived into thinking the .41 mag cannot make a 265+ grainer sing downrange & put a crushing wallop on any critter you should choose to hunt.
Mike in Peru

1911Tuner
September 12, 2011, 02:38 PM
But do not be deceived into thinking the .41 mag cannot make a 265+ grainer sing downrange & put a crushing wallop on any critter you should choose to hunt.

Something that we're all well aware of.

Me? I started my tenure with the .41 over 30 years ago...and I've done some things with handloads that woulda probably given me a case of the vapors if I'd known the actual pressures that I was playing with.

Walkalong
September 13, 2011, 07:50 AM
Just because a caliber can be loaded to two different power levels, both of which are useful for different things, doesn't mean either one is useless. Not everyone needs full power for whatever hunting they do, while some need all they can get. Some people swear by the .44 Mag at lower than max levels as well. Here in the woods many shots on game are quite close where max power isn't that big of a deal with good shot placement, and some people use less than max hand gun loads for hunting, but I still use rifles for hunting, so what do I know. I do not hunt much. It is more just quite time with nature for me, but if a deer sneaks up and taps me on the shoulder asking to be shot, well, OK. The meat is always welcomed by someone, including charity.

Maybe one day I will try it with a handgun. The shots are certainly close enough at times. :)

230therapy
September 13, 2011, 01:56 PM
Here's a good example of what Walkalong is talking about:

http://www.handgunsmag.com/2006/04/27/reloading-the-44-magnum/

1911Tuner
September 13, 2011, 02:31 PM
Just because a caliber can be loaded to two different power levels, both of which are useful for different things, doesn't mean either one is useless. Not everyone needs full power for whatever hunting they do, while some need all they can get.

Bingo. Velocity serves mainly to flatten trajectory, and in truth, there is little difference in killing power between a given bullet at 1500fps and at 1200 fps...assuming that the bullet will reach the vitals at either velocity. It's long been my belief that if you need more lethality, what you need is more bullet rather than more speed...and practical experience bears this out.

Walkalong
September 13, 2011, 03:34 PM
Velocity is very nice for shooting any distance with handguns. I shoot at 100 yards quite a bit and like to shoot at 300 occasionally. Velocity really helps make hold over easier, but at the price of recoil. I still like shooting 255 Gr bullets at low velocity in my S&W in .45 Colt at 100 yards, but I have to hold over well over the target. Same for .45 ACP. I like the bang..............................thud. :)

Light weight high velocity bullets make hitting at long distance easier, but would not be much good for deer sized game, IMHO.

1911Tuner
September 13, 2011, 04:21 PM
Concur, Walkalong. For hunting, I like a bullet that will shoot through and through on a broadside shot, and traverse 75% of the animal on a frontal or quartering shot. a 250-grain
.44 or .45 caliber bullet at a thousand or so fps will do that on the average whitetail out to about 50 yards...which is my limit. At least, it was when I was still actively hunting. Bumping up to 1250 fps didn't seem to kill'em any deader or any quicker.

When Uncle Elmer lobbied for the .44 "Special" Magnum. His criteria was a 250-grain SWC loaded to about 1300 fps. He got a 240/1450. (Remington loaded hotter than the Grand Old Man of pressure.) The lead SWC was a gas-checked bullet, by the way...and that ammunition was hot. I have some of it, along with some of the old lot .357 Magnum lead SWC. The modern loadings bring both calibers down a good bit.

As for the .41 Magnum...Many have said that they don't see the need for it when the .44 Magnum is available. I say that...with the .41 Magnum being available...there's no need for the .43....ooops! I mean the .44 Magnum. Actually, it's a .429 Magnum...but I ain't gonna pick nits. :D

336A
September 13, 2011, 09:05 PM
I'm going to shift gears here and take this in another direction. I just got done loading up some more .41 ammo with the popular 8.5gr Unique and 215gr SWC. Afterwards I was thinking about the dreaded "What if " question:uhoh:
I have a very big soft spot for two cartridges, and I got to thinking (here it comes) what if I had to settle for only one cartridge:what: First is the .38 SPL and the S&W M10 4" no thanks to someone else where known as bmcgilvray, he has really shown me and others what is possible with the great .38 SPL and the classic S&W M10. I really like this combo as the M10 just feels great in the hand and it is a great vehicle for the .38 SPL in its' many forms. As has been shown many times the simple yet elegant M10 is accurate and allows the .38 SPL to really stretch its' legs out. In many ways the .38 SPL and the S&W combo can in all reality probably accomplish 95% of what needs being done with a handgun. The economics of this cartridge is another big plus that just can't be ignored along with the plethora of accessories that are ut there for cheap too.

Now here is where my dilemma really starts. Ever since I pulled the trigger on my fathers' S&W M58 .41 mag service revolver it was love at first trigger pull. After inheriting this fine revolver I ordered everthing I needed to reload for it. I was eleted at how accurate it is with 8.0gr of Unique and a 215gr SWC, I wished I saved the target but unfortuneately I did not. However I never felt comfortable shooting full power loads in this fine gun as I want to take care of it and not shoot it loose. This year as most are aware I finally purchased a Ruger BH .41 so I can use full power loads and not feel the least bit guilty, as I know this revolver will gobble em' up and beg for more. When I was shooting this revolver I was again reminded just how splendid this cartridge is and was rewarded with some very fine groups again with Unique and a 215gr SWC. I did shoot some full power loads with 2400 and 210gr Sierra and Hornady JHP bullets. But I feel that my general purpose load using Unique will do quite nicely for the majority of the time.

It is a very good load giveing more of a heavy push and a loud deep boom instead of the wicked crack and abrubpt recoil of the 2400 loads. I get a big grin everytime I send one of the big bullets down range. Sometimes the bigger bores just have their place. It would be just down right awful if I ever had to choose which one to keep between the two. They are both great cartridges and great revolvers, I just hope I never find myself in that situation.

LOLBELL
September 13, 2011, 09:11 PM
Count me in. Was hunting some load data and got refered here. Found alot of good information here. Bought a Ruger Blackhawk with 6.5" barrel about a month ago. I've only shot a few factory loads while waiting on dies, bullets, and brass for handloads. Hopefully will have a few loaded up to shoot this week end. I have hard cast 215 SWC and Unique for starters. Gonna try 8 - 9 grains for first loads. Will post results after shooting.

Walkalong
September 13, 2011, 09:48 PM
He got a 240/1450. (Remington loaded hotter than the Grand Old Man of pressure.) The lead SWC was a gas-checked bullet, by the way...and that ammunition was hot.
I had some of that years ago that I used in a Winchester 94. You are right, it was hot compared to some other stuff. It sure did work though. My elder son has that rifle now.

Walkalong
September 13, 2011, 09:54 PM
Fellow at work asked me the other day what was the difference between a .41 and .44 Mag. I told him .410 vs .429. He said seriously, and I said yea, seriously, that's all. I told him if you want to get picky, the .44 can handle a bit heavier bullets and has more options in bullet selection.

1911Tuner
September 13, 2011, 11:37 PM
I've gotten along nicely for years with two handgun powders. Unique and 2400. Recently, I started loading .38 Special again, so Bullseye has been re-added...but only because my Little Dandy powder measure won't drop Unique consistently for under 6 grains. I guess I could order a 125-grain bullet mould...but I won't.

And, don't go thinkin' that Unique can't produce some respectable velocities. I've driven my cast (RCBS) 210-grain bullet to 1200 fps from my 4.625 inch Blackhawk with Unique, and the empty cases all but fall out of the chambers. That'd be pretty good pig medicine in close cover.

camar
September 14, 2011, 05:38 AM
4th week in a row I am going to take my Blackhawk 41 Mag. 6.5 " bbl to the range. I fire 240 gr. LSWC with 18.5 gr. of IMR 4227. Very accurate out to 226 yds.

Crazy Carl
September 15, 2011, 06:10 PM
Count me in!

Long time .41 fan, but only a recent .41 owner. Snagged this-

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/230456000/230456986/pix915710588.jpg

off GB a while back & am kicking myself for not getting both a .41 & a Ruger SA sooner.

I'm loading a few batches right now, ranging from 17 to 18gr of 2400 under a Dardas 215gr LSWC/Keith. Oughtta be fun & the most accurate of those loads will be going to the deer woods this year. Bud just got a chrono, so it'll be interesting to see how they're running.

Hey 'Tuner, Dardas does a 250gr .41 bullet? Only see 215s on their site.

For "factory" ammo, check out Georgia Arms. 210gr LSWCs at 800fps, for $25-ish per 50. Fun range load & best method of brass collection I can think of.

SBH Hunter & the 657 Lew Horton 6.5" hunter are on my short list, as is a Marlin 1894 FG.

Bush Pilot
September 16, 2011, 12:24 AM
Nice gun Crazy Carl, let us know how it shoots.

1911Tuner
September 16, 2011, 06:05 AM
Carl, I'm pretty sure that Dardas only offers the one bullet...probably because the market for heavier slugs is more of a specialty niche and he's determined that he couldn't sell enough of'em to justify the investment in moulds and sizing dies. The larger volume operations can do it. Maybe he'll expand his inventory once he gets a firmer foothold.

For those who haven't heard of Dardas bullets....they're very good. Dardas is one of the few commercial casters that have impressed me. If he continues to hold his quality to the standards that I saw in the sample that he sent to me, he should do very well.

Crazy Carl
September 16, 2011, 08:03 AM
Shoots pretty dang well. This is my first SA revolver, so I'm adjusting to 'er. I'm no pistolero, but was keeping 6 of 6 rds inside a paper plate at 25yds, offhand.

With deer season approaching, I'll be spending plenty of time with 'er & tightening up my shooting a bit.

ko41
October 2, 2011, 03:48 PM
Updated a few with new grips......

Click for my .41 Magnum (http://www.flickr.com/photos/38075781@N07/sets/72157625249256222/show/) Slideshow


Limited production stainless steel Ruger Blackhawk Bisley with 5.5" barrel.
Box Elder Burl grips by Tim's Workshop.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k193/ko41/41%20Magnum/bhbsly55.jpg

I swapped out the original rubber grips with an old pair of Jay Scott N frame zebra wood grips that I reworked to fit the Taurus grip tang.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k193/ko41/41%20Magnum/TRB416-1.jpg

Model 657-4 Classic Hunter II Power Port
1998 Lew Horton Distibutors Exclusive, 300 produced.
Ahrends Retro Combat grips
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k193/ko41/41%20Magnum/sw657chii.jpg

Model 657 with Herrett's grips.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k193/ko41/41%20Magnum/657_8375.jpg

KO
My .41 Magnum (http://www.flickr.com/photos/38075781@N07/sets/72157625249256222/show/) Slideshow

336A
October 2, 2011, 08:53 PM
Very nice Ko41. I have always always wondered how the .410" bore came to be. I have always read that Elmer Kieth and Bill Jordan wanted something close to .400", however I always wondered who decided to go with .410". Well I ran across a really interesting web site the other day that is a tribute to Elmer Kieth. It is chalked full of old articles that he wrote years ago. One of them is titled Elmer Kieth picks his "Favorite" handgun loads.

On pg 25 he states that it was Doug Hellstrom of S&W that picked .410" so it could not be chambered in old .41 Colt revolvers. So there it is that is why .410" was chosen rather than a .400" cartridge. Here is a link to the full article for all to read http://www.elmerkeithshoot.org/GA/1969_01_Elmer_Keith_Favorite_Load.pdf

230therapy
October 3, 2011, 09:41 PM
Better pictures of my Model 58:

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1567.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1572.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1563.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1557.jpg

336A
October 4, 2011, 07:55 PM
I recieved my new copy of handloading magazine yesterday. Brian Pearce wrote a pretty in depth article about Alliants new Power Pro 300MP powder. This powder is slower than H110/296, and Lil gun but it does not require the use of a magnum primer for ignition. The velocities achieved in the .41 mag and the extreme spreads were impressive (very small) to say the least accuracy was reported as being very good too. Same goes for the .327, 357, .44 mag, and the .454 Casull. I just might have to give this powder a try in the future.

230therapy I that is a vey nice M58, I sure wish mine looked that nice.

6.5 shooter
October 4, 2011, 08:14 PM
I'm in... with 3 smith 57's and one black hawk. Did you know the 41 is still the most popular handgun!!

6.5 shooter
October 4, 2011, 08:15 PM
In Alaska :)

Missionary
October 5, 2011, 07:50 AM
Good morning & Welcome 6.5 Shooter.
I just noticed you did post #1 & #2 in the same breath. When we are up north there we drive out of Danville... Drive through / Salem off & on as we visit supporting churches.
Reading through the posts the caliber.41 goes farther back than some realise. First cartriges were for the .41 deringers (about 1870). Have a couple Colt revolvers in .41 Colt (Lightning & 1894). Never have had the funds at the right moment to snag a Colt 1873 model in 41 Colt. Many older fellers liked the 41 Colt because it fit in the smaler frame Colts but was sure more power than the 38 longs. Sadly Colt & S&W never came out with a medium frame 5 shot caliber .41 mag... Happily Taurus did. The 5 shot Titanium is one nice carry about revolver.
Mike in Peru

motorcycle-charlie
October 5, 2011, 09:07 AM
Better pictures of my Model 58:

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1567.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1572.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1563.jpg

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr204/230therapy/firearms/SW%20Model%2058/IMG_1557.jpg
nice going 230, i keep seeing this picture around here. now a model 58 is high up on my list of wants right along with a model 13. i really like the blued fixed sight guns. the 58 being just above the 13 now because i really like the N frame.

1911Tuner
October 5, 2011, 08:09 PM
Reading through the posts the caliber.41 goes farther back than some realise. First cartriges were for the .41 deringers (about 1870). Have a couple Colt revolvers in .41 Colt (Lightning & 1894)

Those earlier cartridges bore weren't even close to the .41 Magnum in performance or dimensionally. The .41 Magnum, and its recent spinoff, the .41 Special...are true .410 caliber rounds.

The .41 Short Rimfire of the stackbarrel Derringer fame consisted of a heel based 130-grain .401 caliber bullet that hit a smokin' 425 fps from the little two shooters.

The .41 Long Colt...a heeled, hollow-based 200 grain bullet of .384 diameter was better...approximating the .41 Special's low end loadings at roughly 750 fps.

Missionary
October 5, 2011, 08:45 PM
Good evening
Interesting that my 41 Colt loads a .406 heeled cast bullet and shoots it just fine. Those HB bullets were a generic solution to a sitiation of heeled bullets picking up dirt on the outside lube.
Heeled bullet molds are still available on the markets that range from .403 to .406 .
Mike in Peru

1911Tuner
October 6, 2011, 03:35 PM
Interesting that my 41 Colt loads a .406 heeled cast bullet and shoots it just fine.

Yep. Your .406 diameter bullets came later in a bump up to bore diameter in the attempt to aid accuracy. The earlier bullets were .384-.386...depending on who made them...and they were hollow-based, like Minie' bullet. The gases expanded the base to engage the rifling and seal the large bore. Unfired bullets would literally fall through the barrels.

336A
October 6, 2011, 08:06 PM
I think some earlier widcat cartridges also played a important role in S&W developing the .41 mag. Cartridges such as .40 Eimer aka .401 Eimer special, Gordon Boser's .401 Special and of course Hereter's .401 Power Mag. The last two actually come pretty close to .41 Mag performance.

Herter actually started selling the .401 Power mag 3 years before the advent of the .41 Mag. IMHO Herter's .401 is probably what pushed S&W over the edge to intoduce the .41 Mag so as not to be out done by a mail order company, and I'm glad they did.

1911Tuner
October 7, 2011, 09:00 AM
IMHO Herter's .401 is probably what pushed S&W over the edge to intoduce the .41 Mag so as not to be out done by a mail order company, and I'm glad they did.

Absolutely. Whatever the insignificant unknowns were that led to the .41 Magnum...I'm thankful for all of'em. Those factors are responsible for what I consider to be the perfect general purpose revolver cartridge.

DennisE
October 7, 2011, 07:57 PM
Love my newly acquired Ruger SS 5.5" 41 magnum Bisley! Had to send it to Ruger to get sights worked on and am eagerly awaiting its return! Dennis

336A
October 9, 2011, 08:33 PM
Dennis what was wrong with the sights?

BTW look at what I just spotted. To bad that they couldn't make this a regular production run instead of a special run for cabelas.
http://www.hornady.com/store/41-Rem-Mag/

Bush Pilot
October 9, 2011, 10:16 PM
Dennis what was wrong with the sights?

BTW look at what I just spotted. To bad that they couldn't make this a regular production run instead of a special run for cabelas.
http://www.hornady.com/store/41-Rem-Mag/
Why couldn't you just load your own .41 XTPs for a fraction the price?

336A
October 9, 2011, 10:26 PM
I do, but for the non reloader/handloader this may be an appealing offering. Plus it would be nice to have another factory loaded offering on the market, it certainly wouldn't hurt.

Frank V
October 9, 2011, 10:43 PM
I like the .41 mag. it's not my favorite, but a very good ctg. & deserves much more recognition than it gets.
336A
I've used the 170 Sierra quite a bit for deer. I don't think I'd use it on really big deer or Elk size game, but it's a good performer on med. size deer.
I haven't used it for defense, I don't use handloads for defense & feel it's not a good idea to use handloads for defense. A lawyer thing.
good shooting.
Frank

336A
October 10, 2011, 11:09 AM
Frank I wasn't about to reload them for defensive purposes, however I did notice that vendors such as Corbon & Bufallo Bore use this bullet. I was contemplating messing around with them but have decided to pass.

Here is a bullet however that is very tempting and the price is right, but where would one find load data for it?
http://www.rimrockbullets.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=160

Frank V
October 10, 2011, 12:16 PM
336A
That looks like a good bullet & I'm sure it'd be effective. I can only find data for bullets up to 220grs in the manuals I have, but I'm sure there is some out there. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Frank

1911Tuner
October 10, 2011, 01:14 PM
Here is a bullet however that is very tempting and the price is right, but where would one find load data for it?

Shouldn't present much of a problem. Start with 220-grain starting data, maybe reduced 5% and work up. With two bullets so close in weight, the factor that would spike pressure would be the length of the bullet in the case...airspace...instead of such a small difference in mass.

If you can find an old Speer manual that lists the jacketed 220 SWC and compare the lengths behind the crimp groove, you can figure it out. The pictures of the bullets in the manual are actual size, so a comparison would be pretty easy.

Onty
October 10, 2011, 01:41 PM
I would also like to join ˝exclusive˝ .41 Mag Association. Shooting blue Bisley, hoping to get S&W 657. It always amazes me how some folks look down on this cartridge and badmouthing it, without ever firing a single shot. Contrary to that, I do not know any 41 shooter that did not start shooting something else, before became ˝converted˝. What I like about 41 is that I can shoot 220 grain bullet at about 1100-1200 fps all day long. Not so shooting 44-250 at the same velocity, after less than 100 rounds I fell tingling in my hands. And if someone wants top loads, see what’s possible http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41magnum.htm , http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm

Since I just found this thread, my apology for lengthy post, trying to catch up.

Be aware that Alliant 2400 isn't exactly the same as the old Hercules 2400. It seems to be a bit faster...so any old data should be reduced 10% and reapproached with caution.

It is very wise to reduce loading data whenever getting new batch of powder. That is the reason why more knowledgeable reloaders buy larger quantity at once and work their loads again. However, regarding ˝faster/hotter˝ Alliant than Hercules, I found somewhere that Alliant stated that nothing changed in formula for 2400, but primers became generally hotter, and that is the reason why same old loads using 2400 became hotter. FYI, I do not use 2400, but had the same opinion for number of years that 2400 Allient is faster than Hercules. The bottom line is; ALWAYS USE LATEST RELOADING MANUALS, keep the old ones just as nice memorabilia.

Here is the test that basically supports Alliants claim http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=72355 ;

From the above data, with the exception of the 21 gr data, we see that the Alliant 2400 appears to be “hotter”. However, the difference is less than 2% which is probably well within acceptable lot to lot variation. The 21 gr load where the Hercules 2400 is “hotter” is even less that 2% variation. Note that the 21.5 gr load of Hercules 2400 has 2,400 less psi than the 21 gr load of Alliant 2400 but still has a slightly higher velocity….such are the variances and why there is an acceptable variance. It is also why the “fudge factor” is built in. Were all the loads of Alliant 2400 “hotter” than the Hercules 2400 we could safely say, at least from this test, that this lot of Alliant 2400 is “hotter” than this lot of Hercules 2400. However that is not the case. With this test it appears both powders fall within lot to variation of a specific powder...

... Conclusion; Alliant says they didn’t change the formula for 2400 and you can’t prove by me otherwise. With cast bullets I shall to use 22 gr of Alliant 2400 under the 250 gr "Keith" style cast bullet in the 44 magnum as that load shoots very nicely in my Ruger 50th Anniversary BHFT at 1350 fps.

It is the thinking man's cartridge. I will never sell any of mine. I have a Bisley that totally amazes people at the range for long range work and with the heaviest loads I can shoot it all day if I'm in the mood.

Couldn't agree more, just optimum balance of revolver's weight, power, flat trajectory and reasonable recoil.

... If word really got out, we'd have a glut of used .44s on the shelves and nary a .41 in sight. :D

From what I found, this is not ˝we'd have a glut˝, this a fact. I am trying to locate up here (pristine) 657 for few years, nobody wants to sell it, even well used one. Opposite, I found at my local dealers a lot of used 44s. Many times shooters from USA posted that there are a tons of 44 Magnum revolvers on used gun racks, a good chunk of them in pristine condition, basically NIB, with just cylinder or two fired. As for used 41s, it's hard to find one that is not WELL used.

Alright 38 members and growing:)
1. 336A
2. 1911Tuner
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36. osteodoc08
37. mgregg85
38.llwsgn

I would suggest move this list on your first post, it's easier to update it. Also, I suggest keep the list open, there are more 41 shooters out there that didn't discover this thread yet.

Cheers, Onty.

336A
October 10, 2011, 03:42 PM
I would suggest move this list on your first post, it's easier to update it. Also, I suggest keep the list open, there are more 41 shooters out there that didn't discover this thread yet.

Onty I would if I could however the edit option no longer exists for me to do that. Besides i found keeping a running count can be a real PITA;)

BTW I found data for that 240gr Kieth bullet over at Hodgdons:)

zxcvbob
October 10, 2011, 03:57 PM
There's an actual list?

336A
October 10, 2011, 04:10 PM
There's an actual list?

I did put a list together of all who wanted to throw in with the .41 Asscosiation a few pages back. However due to ong work hours it got away from me, anyhow this is open to all .41 Magnum fanciers anyway I don't think a running list is needed.

zxcvbob
October 10, 2011, 04:15 PM
I don't think a running list is needed

Registration leads to confiscation. ;)

scramasax
October 11, 2011, 01:13 PM
Just a stray thought from the past. Has anyone had a Coonan .41 in thier hands? I put money down (full payment) at the SHOT show years ago for one with 5mags. Then they went out of business. Initially tried to get a refund then just gave up.

Cheers,

ts

Frank V
October 11, 2011, 01:28 PM
I haven't, my want gun is a S&W mod 58, the original please, but sadly gun funds are at a low. Maybe some day?
Frank

336A
October 11, 2011, 02:12 PM
Here is some M58 eye candy to hold you over Frank:)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/336a/IMG_0015.jpg

This is my late Father's service revolver, i also have a pic with his old duty belt. The pic didn't come very well however as I was using a cheapo camera at the time.

336A
October 11, 2011, 04:14 PM
For you folks that go out in the woods with your .41's how do you carry your extra ammo? I'm trying to find some of the older style police dump pouches but have been unsuccessful.

Onty
October 11, 2011, 05:41 PM
FYI, we are running right now Group Buy (GB) for mould; true Keith, copy of well known H&G #258. Solid FP is already closed, however, if you are fast enough, you might snap few overruns, they always have them. However, GB is still open for Cramer hollow point (HP) that could also cast solid FP, see http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=112772. If you want this one, better hurry, GB could be closed any moment, it's open since April. Good luck.

Frank V
October 12, 2011, 11:25 AM
Nice 336A! Maybe one day, it'd be a great carry gun.
Frank

336A
October 17, 2011, 03:56 PM
Was reading elsewhere about SD .44SPL/Mag ammo which got me thinking. As far as I know the only .41 mag load that could be considered a SD from the big 3 is the Win 175gr STHP. I say considered because Win lists it for use on deer sized game. So my question to you is this, barring the 175gr STHP load what would your ideal .41 mag SD load be.

W.E.G.
October 17, 2011, 04:07 PM
For you folks that go out in the woods with your .41's how do you carry your extra ammo? I'm trying to find some of the older style police dump pouches but have been unsuccessful.

For you folks that go out in the woods with your .41's how do you carry your extra ammo? I'm trying to find some of the older style police dump pouches but have been unsuccessful.

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=1257&GunID=435

http://www.usgalco.com/Catalog/large/2X2X2.jpg

Missionary
October 18, 2011, 05:20 AM
Good morning
1 speed loader carried in my upper left shirt pocket. Have never needed to reload even out wabbit / groundhog hunting. But then I get real particular about my shots in Illinois when up there.
Mike in Peru

336A
October 18, 2011, 03:16 PM
I'd carry a speed loader too but I have a Ruger BH.

W.E.G. thanks for the link. Galco must be awfully proud of that to charge $43. I think I'll just place an order with Simply Rugged for one of they're ammo pouches since they are about half the price. http://www.simplyrugged.com/most-versatile-ammo-pouch/

BTW here is another question for you folks. Has anyone tried using W231 in the .41 mag instead of Unique? Reason for me asking is I tested some .38 SPL loads using W231 and was quite pleased. I only had 5 rounds to test but they seemed to be more accurate than my Unique loads. I also like that it meters so well from my RCBS Uniflow powder measure. But is it even worth the bother?

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