[Davidfl]

Hi guy i wanna no Does anyone have the s&w m&p pro in 9mm is it any good how does is it shoot what is the pros in cons??

[TonyT]

If you want a good truigger and sights right out of the box then get the M&P9Pro. if you intend to opt for an adjustable rear sight and the apex internal upgrades then purchase the S&W9L.

[Ed4032]

I absolutely love mine. I have no complaints what so ever. I shoot it regularly in IDPA and finish near the top. Not because I'm good but this gun makes me look good. This is a great gun backed by a great Manufacturer. I strongly recommend this gun.

[9mmepiphany]

I've been looking at the different model M&P9s for a while trying to decide. We can get the FS and the "c" here, but would have to go through additional efforts to get the Pro or the "L" models.

I have had a chance to fire ones that belonged to other people invarious stages of tune from stock, through Pro and with different stages of Apex Tactical parts installed.

What the Pro offers over the "L" model is the fiber optic front sight and a slightly better polish of the striker block. Even the basic Apex DCAEK results in a better trigger than the Pro...to say nothing of their new FSS competition kit (not for SSP or Production classes)

In testing, the FS actually has a slight edge in accuracy over the Pro off a rest. Apex Tactical recently machined a Bar-Sto blank to see what they would gain in accuracy from a match barrel and will likely be offering them when Bar-Sto can start production.

[gglass]

I own the M&P9 Pro Series (5") and the M&P40 Pro Series (4.25"), and both are superb shooters.

Pros: Simply the best polymer framed semi-autos on the market today. (Otherwise I would not own five of them.)


Cons: I'll let you know when I find one.

[RightCoastBiased]

The cons are that you'll own five of em! I just picked up my M&P 45 which I love so far. And I am already thinking and planning for a 45c. Be warned.

[Get R Done Guns]

Pro=great looking and shooting gun. Most guys that use them for comp dump in the apex trigger, but they are great stock!

[Davidfl]

Lmao guys Ty for the info ;;;)))))

[jackpinesavages]

I like my 5" Pro, but I'm so used to the G17 triggers that the M&P kind of pales in that Dept.. Tear down is easier on the G17 too.

[Chris Rhines]

I own two M&P 9mm FS models, and one Pro.

Pros - very reliable (under 1 stoppage in 2k rounds average,) excellent ergonomics, good triggers out of the box, good factory and aftermarket support.

Cons - accuracy is inadequate for a defensive or competition pistol. My minimum accuracy requirement for a defensive pistol is 2.5" at 25 yards from a solid rest. My M&Ps will do around 5-6".

If 5-6" at 25 yards is good enough for you, then I can't recommend the M&P highly enough. I'm hanging on to mine, at least until the Apex/Bar-Sto barrel comes out.

-C

[Get R Done Guns]

Is there a stock polymer gun that will shoot 2.5" at 25 yards?

[Chris Rhines]

Is there a stock polymer gun that will shoot 2.5" at 25 yards?I've shot factory stock Glock 17s and H&K pistols that would hold 2.5" at 25 yards.

-C



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[9mmepiphany]

Is there a stock polymer gun that will shoot 2.5" at 25 yards?
I've shot SigPros in 9mm amd 357Sig that would hold 2.5" at 25 yards...remember that the old standard for combat guns was 4" at 50 yards from a supported position (rollover prone)

[gglass]

Chris Rhines
I own two M&P 9mm FS models, and one Pro.

Pros - very reliable (under 1 stoppage in 2k rounds average,) excellent ergonomics, good triggers out of the box, good factory and aftermarket support.

Cons - accuracy is inadequate for a defensive or competition pistol. My minimum accuracy requirement for a defensive pistol is 2.5" at 25 yards from a solid rest. My M&Ps will do around 5-6".

If 5-6" at 25 yards is good enough for you, then I can't recommend the M&P highly enough. I'm hanging on to mine, at least until the Apex/Bar-Sto barrel comes out.

I don't know why your M&P groups are that far off, but that has not been my experience.

I can shoot 2.5" groups from a custom 1911, but the M&P Pro is not that far off, and I never shoot supported.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/639/189ctc15yards.jpg
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4561/firstgroup20yards.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6023/perfectform15yards.jpg

[Chris Rhines]

gglass -

The .40 M&Ps don't have the accuracy problems that the 9mm ones have. It's not all of the 9mm M&Ps, either. I've personally seen a few that were extremely accurate, but none of mine are.

-C

[gglass]

I also own a M&P9 Pro Series, as do both of my sons, and a couple friends in local competitions. None of the aforementioned M&P9 Pro's have any discernible accuracy issues.

As a long-term member of the mp-pistol.com forums, I don't recall reading about some inherent accuracy issue with M&P9 Pro's. Where is your source for this wide-spread problem with M&P9 Pro's?

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9929/pro9hst.jpg

[Walt Sherrill]

I picked up a used M&P Pro in 9mm from a guy who wanted to get back into Glocks.

It had been tuned by Speed Shooter Specialties (http://www.speedshooterspecialties.com/), and had Dawson sights.

It's an awesome shooter, as good as several of my best guns, including a Sphinx and a custom AT-84s. It's a keeper.

I don't know how much of this "awesomeness" is attributable to the base M&P Pro, and how much to the gunsmiths at SSS who tweaked it, but I'm very impressed.

[ny32182]

I have a low round count on my 9pro (400 rounds, one practice session) but as a Glock shooter, the biggest thing that stood out to me about it was that I seemed to shoot tighter groups with the M&P. This was all dynamic, no resting however. I also like the trigger break. I still have some significant ergonomic issues with it, but I think they are mostly surmountable and if I can get them figured out this winter, I think there are a lot of things to like about the gun, and I might be shooting it next year.

[9mmepiphany]

As a long-term member of the mp-pistol.com forums, I don't recall reading about some inherent accuracy issue with M&P9 Pro's. Where is your source for this wide-spread problem with M&P9 Pro's?

It has to do with the M&P series pistols being optimized for the .40 S&W round...I didn't know it wasn't a well known issue. I would the development of a 9mm specific extractors and barrels would demonstrate the extent of the issue among high volume (competitive) shooters. Granted you do have to be able to shoot to a certain level to notice the difference...it is never a good thing when folks start thinking that they can outshoot the platform

As I understand it, the issue with the M&P9's barrels is the distance the slide travels before the barrel unlocks. The current development of the Bar-Sto barrels is centered on lengthening the dwell time

[DAdams]

I like mine. I debated on the relative merits of the 9L and Pro. Bud's had them both a few months back and the price wasn't that much different so I opted for the Pro.

I also have a 40c with XS grip and a Storm Lake barrel in 9mm.

I bought the Apex set-up but thought I would try them both for awhile stock. For some odd reason the 40c stock trigger was smoother than the 9Pro out of the box so the Pro may get the trigger job.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/P1010002-4.jpg

[cyclopsshooter]

I have a 9 pro but hardly ever shoot it.. Its a nice pistol but I always gravitate toward a 1911 or K frame for target shooting.. I wish the Pro had a little bit crisper trigger but its not bad.

[mgmorden]

The current development of the Bar-Sto barrels is centered on lengthening the dwell time

Just as a heads up to other, the people doing this development are Apex Tactical. They manufacture a whole host of accessories for the M&P including improved trigger system parts, extractors, etc. Randy over there has even mentioned possibly making and selling complete replacement slides for the gun. They're really wringing everything they can out of it.

I have a 9 pro but hardly ever shoot it.. Its a nice pistol but I always gravitate toward a 1911 or K frame for target shooting.. I wish the Pro had a little bit crisper trigger but its not bad.

You might try out Apex's FSS (Forward Set Sear) trigger kit. It's not USPSA Production or IDPA SSP legal if you're concerned with that, but if you just want a good trigger it's supposed to make a world of difference.

[9mmepiphany]

Randy over there has even mentioned possibly making and selling complete replacement slides for the gun.
The first production slide made it's debut at the USPSA Nationals in Las Vegas in Limited.

I'm hoping they come out with an improved trigger bar soon and would really like to see a .22LR upper...I understand the hardest part is getting functioning magazines

You might try out Apex's FSS (Forward Set Sear) trigger kit. It's not USPSA Production or IDPA SSP legal if you're concerned with that, but if you just want a good trigger it's supposed to make a world of difference.
The FSS is very nice. It is about as close to a 1911 trigger as you'll seen in a polymer wonder...I think that was also on the Limited M&P

[Magichelmt]

I love my M&P Pro 9mm. I got mine a little over a year ago. 4000 rounds later I broke the fiber post last night and that is the first problem I have had out of mine. I shoot IDPA mostly. I did shoot a USPSA match 2 weeks ago and had fun there as well. Mostly my reloads, but about 1000 rounds were factory.

[SouthernBoy]

I have two M&P pistols. I bought my .40 nearly two years ago and I ordered and received a new 9mm Pro Series just this last July. Typical of all M&P's I have handled, it had the infamous gritty trigger takeup but anyone who knows M&P's know what the cause of this problem is; the stock striker safety block. So within two weeks of getting my new Pro Series, I installed a Apex USB and the gritty/sandy trigger takeup was completely gone, resulting in a super smooth trigger.

The Pro Series also uses a different sear than the standard M&P along with a slightly shorter trigger travel and shorter over travel. Coupled with the Apex USB, this makes a great trigger for this gun.

The M&P series are fine guns with excellent ergonomics, highly reliable, and great shooters. The one thing to be aware of is the magazines. They can be finicky when they get dirty so use clean burning ammo and keep them clean. Most common problem with them is failure to activate the slide stop after the last round is fired.

[jackpinesavages]

Have one, love it, shoot my Glocks more, but kept the Pro 9.

[ShawnC]

I own two M&P 9mm FS models, and one Pro.

Pros - very reliable (under 1 stoppage in 2k rounds average,) excellent ergonomics, good triggers out of the box, good factory and aftermarket support.

Cons - accuracy is inadequate for a defensive or competition pistol. My minimum accuracy requirement for a defensive pistol is 2.5" at 25 yards from a solid rest. My M&Ps will do around 5-6".

If 5-6" at 25 yards is good enough for you, then I can't recommend the M&P highly enough. I'm hanging on to mine, at least until the Apex/Bar-Sto barrel comes out.

-C

This isn't an attack, I am asking this respectfully. Why 2.5" at 25 yards for defensive purposes, when most uses defensively will be at closer than 10 feet? Not ragging on you or trying to tear you down, and there is nothing wrong with wanting that kind of accuracy, it just seems over much for defensive purposes.
I'm not looking to start an argument on this thread, so if it is too much off topic feel free to remove my comment.

[9mmepiphany]

This isn't an attack, I am asking this respectfully. Why 2.5" at 25 yards for defensive purposes, when most uses defensively will be at closer than 10 feet? Not ragging on you or trying to tear you down, and there is nothing wrong with wanting that kind of accuracy, it just seems over much for defensive purposes.
I'm not looking to start an argument on this thread, so if it is too much off topic feel free to remove my comment.

This is a valid question as many people really don't understand what is acceptable accuracy in a defensive handgun. Chris is actually being very generous.

The old Jeff Cooper minimum standard for a combat accurate handgun was 4" at 50 yards, which, as a rule of thumb, would be 2" at 25 yards...this is the minimum acceptable accuracy. 50 yards is the proscribe distance as it is easier to detect flaws in accuracy as distance increases...measuring accuracy at less than 25 yards was considered pretty useless.

I've seen several well built guns that will hold inside 1" at 50 yards and Les Baer will warranty his guns (on special order) at <1.5" at that distance.

Two things to remember are that
1. If a gun is shooting 5-6" from a rest, you would add that to the size of the group you are able to hold when shooting free hand
2. The rule of thumb is that whatever you can shoot in practice will deteriorate by a factor of two when shooting under stress