[Ryanxia]

Wisconsin: Right-to-Carry bill heads to Gov. Walker for signature

Wisconsin residents - write to your Governor and ask for his support/signature on this bill, even though it appears he already supports it. Want to make sure it goes through :)

Link: http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=15257

[MisterMike]

He's said he'll sign it.

[usmarine0352_2005]

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When?




After it passed the Assembly?




Source?

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[MagnumDweeb]

Wow great job Wisconsin, you're now getting the right to CCW and going straight for right-to-carry, you have my respect and my envy. Don't you all already have open carry(that was made difficult because of having a loaded weapon in your vehicle[that's now dealt with]), hopefully once you all get the right to carry the ripple effects will be positive for the rest of us. I'm in Florida, I just want the right to lawfully open carry.

[Vlad357]

Yes in WI we have the right to open carry, BUT, the sight of any open carry almost always resulted in being sited for disturbance of the peace or public nuisance, with weapon confiscation. Yes the charges were usually dropped and the weapon returned, but many hours and $$ later.

After doing some reading and listening to the bills sponsors, it is my understanding that the new law specifically forbids this form of malfeasance by law enforcement, and is "shall issue" oriented.

[MisterMike]

On my iPhone, so I can only pull up this version; you may have to search fir this elsewhere: http://www.jsonline.mobi/news/statepolitics/124289954.html?ua=iphone&dc=smart&c=y

[Monkeyleg]

Twenty years of bills introduced by Representative Scott Gunderson and Senator Dave Zien (and others), one pulling motion in 2002 in the senate by Dave Zien thwarted by Democrat Senate Majority Leader Chuck Chvala to keep the bill from passing and being signed, and two vetoes by Governor Jim Doyle.

It was a long road to get here. If Doyle hadn't been elected in 2002, it would have happened in 2003.

[oerllikon]

Well, I look forward to concealed carrying in 2 years, lol. I wish I could CC now, but its still excellent for the citizens of this state! I good leap forward

[Nanook]

Does anybody know when the WI governor might sign the bill into law?

I'm just curious, and I am glad for the people of WI.

[Monkeyleg]

He should be signing it after the 4th, along with other bills passed since January.

[Ryanxia]

I truly hope it passes this time, a friend of mine will be stoked!

[LotI]

He should be signing it now. He's in Wausau with Wayne LaPierre.

Effective date will be 11/1/11.

Forms will be available on the DOJ website on 9/1/11, according to the plan.

[Sam1911]

Anyone know what the bill says re: reciprocity?

[Scimmia]

Anyone know what the bill says re: reciprocity?

The state has to put together a list of all permits that required the holder to undergo a background check and/or agree to submit to a background check. All permits on that list will be recognized.

[LotI]

Governor Walker just Tweeted...he signed it in a packed hall.

[Sam1911]

The state has to put together a list of all permits that required the holder to undergo a background check and/or agree to submit to a background check. All permits on that list will be recognized.
Cool. So UT is in, though PA is probably out.

Governor Walker just Tweeted...he signed it in a packed hall.
GRIN.

[Ryanxia]

Good news!

[Nanook]

Congratulations, Wisconsin!!

And then there was one....

[MrSpiffy]

It aggravates me that Madison may try to pass legislation against concealed carry on private property without written permission. Kind of defeats the whole point, and would really make concealed carry a PITA.

I live in Madison, but geeze... whoever considered that idea is really a wimp. You're more likely to get hurt by a weapon on public land than private, I would imagine.

[Monkeyleg]

It aggravates me that Madison may try to pass legislation against concealed carry on private property without written permission. Kind of defeats the whole point, and would really make concealed carry a PITA.

They can't do it. The state's preemption law prevents municipalities from enacting any gun laws stricter than those at the state level. They can try, but they'll just be wasting taxpayer dollars in court.

[withdrawn34]

Anyone know what the bill says re: reciprocity?

WI will recognize the license of any other state held by a non-resident provided that a background check similar to WI's own was done:

Allows non-residents who have concealed weapons licenses issued by any other state to carry in Wisconsin as long as that jurisdiction requires licensees to submit to a criminal background check comparable to that required for a Wisconsin carry license or the person’s license indicates that he or she volunteered for such a background check.

http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/PPA%20Summary%202011%20Final%20Version%20to%20Governor.pdf

Note that you are required to carry ID with your permit, but that is often the case in most places, so that isn't a big deal.

This bill really knocks down a lot of dominoes in one go. I'm quite excited for WI! They have a huge victory here in this bill. Now if only we could do something about IL...

[Doug B.]

We're good to go folks! Law becomes effective Nov. 1, 2011. I spoke to the WI Dep't. of Justice office yesterday and the lady recommended waiting a couple of weeks for them to "get their ducks in a row" for application info and to keep watching their websight:

http://www.doj.state.wi.us/

It appears as though merely a copy of a current or expired hunting license for Wisconsin state residents is all that is needed for proof of completing the state Hunters Education course. After all.....a hunting license will not be issued if you have not completed the course or of course if you're old enough to be "grandfathered" in. I believe if that is the case, then this person would be required to take some sort of training and have the application accepted before being issued the CC permit.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I've been digging for information feverishly. I obtained the above information on page 3 from this websight:

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/senate/galloway/SiteCollectionDocuments/0934_001.pdf

Forward!

[RatDrall]

Part of this bill included a repeal of the law against carrying loaded weapons in cars. Does that go into effect as soon as the law is published, or after November 1st?

I'd love to open carry, but unloading and casing a semi-auto, every time I get in the car, is a pain in the ass...

[spclark]

Hey that's great news!!!

Haven't heard anything yet from the ISRA, they're usually on top of this kind of thing.

Anybody got a link to a news release about the signing yesterday I can pass along?

[IBEWBULL]

http://www.mdgunsafety.com/

The above link is for the MD Gun Safety on Line class.
I don't know if it is good for Wisconsin but I will say it is a good refresher and it is FREE.

[CmpsdNoMore]

Does anyone know where you can find the actual bill to read? I can't find it on the assembly's website.

Also, I'm not looking forward to the 1000' ft. rule still being in effect because in my city there are a quite a few school right next to major roads. It will make things very difficult!

[Scimmia]

Does anyone know where you can find the actual bill to read? I can't find it on the assembly's website.

Also, I'm not looking forward to the 1000' ft. rule still being in effect because in my city there are a quite a few school right next to major roads. It will make things very difficult!

There is no 1000' rule. The new law bans carrying on school ground, but not in school zones.

The entire bill as enrolled is here: https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/related/enrolled/sb93

[MrSpiffy]

From what I've heard, the 1000' rule does not apply to CCW. You cannot carry on school grounds, but that's as far as the limit goes. Anyone have any written confirmation?

[CmpsdNoMore]

While section (16) doesn't list school areas as a "prohibited activity" to carry, section 91 seems to indicate you can't carry within 1000' of a school.

Section 91. 948.605 (2) (a) of the statutes is amended to read:
948.605 (2) (a) Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone in or on the grounds of a school is guilty of a Class I felony. Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is within 1,000 feet of the grounds of a school is subject to a Class B forfeiture.

[Scimmia]

CmpsdNoMore, you have to read the rest of the modifications to 948.605, Section 94 exempts licensees and out-of-state licensees, ie ccw permit holders.

[Sam1911]

There is no 1000' rule. The new law bans carrying on school ground, but not in school zones.
The 1000' rule comes from the federal guns free school zone act.

Some state's carry permits meet the criteria to trump that federal law, if the state chooses to allow carry in/near/on school grounds.

However, that allowance is ONLY for residents of that state. If you are visiting another state, federal law prohibits you from carrying in/on school grounds, regardless of what that state's laws say or what it is permissible for that state's residents to do.

[Scimmia]

Hmm, I hadn't looked at the GFSZA for a while, I missed that it only exempted permit holders of that state. The Wisconsin law specifically permits out-of-state licensees to carry in school zones, so I was going with that.

Sorry for the misinformation.

[Sam1911]

Here is the ATF letter on it: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Batfe2002letter_gfsza1995_ccw.pdf

"The law clearly provides that in order to qualify as an exception to the general prohibitions of the Gun-Free School Zones Act, the license must be issued by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of that State. A concealed weapons license or permit from any otper State would not satisfy the criteria set forth in the law."

[Hillbillyz]

So what happens if you live across the street from a school? Are you allowed to carry because you are on our own property, or are you banned from carrying in your own home due to being closer than 1000 feet?

[Scimmia]

There is no 1000 foot rule for residents of WI. The only 1000 ft rule that applies would be federal law for non-residents carrying in WI, but that doesn't apply to private property anyway.

[Sam1911]

There is no 1000 foot rule for residents of WI. Actually, that's not exactly true. The 1000' rule DOES apply to all residents of the state who haven't been issued a qualifying permit, or meet one of the other criteria.

IF you're a permit holder, and IF your state's permit qualifies to exempt you, THEN the 1000' rule doesn't apply.

The only 1000 ft rule that applies would be federal law for non-residents carrying in WI, but that doesn't apply to private property anyway. Private property?

[Scimmia]

Hillbillyz was asking about carrying on his own property across the street from a school. The Gun Free School Zone Act states:

(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

Actually, that's not exactly true. The 1000' rule DOES apply to all residents of the state who haven't been issued a qualifying permit, or meet one of the other criteria.

IF you're a permit holder, and IF your state's permit qualifies to exempt you, THEN the 1000' rule doesn't apply.

Correct. Since this thread is about the new concealed carry law, I made the assumption we're talking about carry with a carry permit.

[Sam1911]

Gotcha!

[Ryanxia]

Apparently handgun safety classes are already filling up.

[RatDrall]

Apparently handgun safety classes are already filling up.

Why anyone would wait until now to enroll is beyond me...

[tmknecht]

Hunter Safety is one of the qualified training courses. The Super Safe all-knowing trainers don't want you to know that though.$$$

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Why anyone would wait until now to enroll is beyond me...





Maybe because they weren't sure the law was going to pass?

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[MrSpiffy]

usmarine0352_2005, I believe he meant that people should take safety courses, regardless of the law passing or not, so they can be safe when handling their handguns.

[RatDrall]

I believe he meant that people should take safety courses, regardless of the law passing or not, so they can be safe when handling their handguns.

I meant that you can get a permit in a free state, like Utah or Florida, and use it when you travel, or make things easier on yourself once WI's law goes into effect.