A question for pocket carriers


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Rat Robb
June 29, 2011, 09:53 AM
Just as the poll asks.

I never use a holster, just slide my S&W 442 into my pocket and go. But last weekend a friend of mine, whose opinion I value, said that I should get a pocket holster in case something gets hooked on the trigger. I wear Dickies work pants/shorts or jeans 99.9% of the time and never saw this as a problem.

Just wanted to see what the masses had to say.

Thanks,

-Robb

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M-Cameron
June 29, 2011, 09:57 AM
probably a good idea.....pocket holsters are cheap, treatment for a bullet wound in your thigh because your keys accidentally looped around the trigger, is not.

also helps to keep lint and junk out of the gun.

it also looks better if you are questioned by an officer if you have some form of holster, as opposed to just tossing it in your pocket.

quatin
June 29, 2011, 09:58 AM
Always use a holster.

doc.lonestar
June 29, 2011, 09:58 AM
Ruger LCR pocket carry - I used to carry in a Blackhawk! #4 but now prefer leather pocket holsters. I never liked the feel of having my LCR in my pocket without it. while confident that nothing will happen without one, it just gives me a little more peace of mind.

Rail Driver
June 29, 2011, 09:59 AM
I don't use a holster when pocket carrying, mostly because if I'm pocket carrying, it's no more than the 80 ft to my trash can or mail box. Other than that I tend to carry IWB.

Big Boy
June 29, 2011, 10:02 AM
Pants material is loose and can let things get into triggers. Leather doesn't so easily bind and will keep things out of that area.

I walk to my car every morning pocket carrying WITHOUT a holster. But that's because I can't have it at work, so after the walk to the car it stays in the glove box. If I carried in pocket for any real amount of time a holster would be 100% necessary

HGUNHNTR
June 29, 2011, 10:03 AM
It is the law here in Georgia, but I would use a holster even if it weren't.

Axel Larson
June 29, 2011, 10:07 AM
No I do not use a holster but I only pocket carried once, when a friend let me barrow one of his guns.

MJ_ATL
June 29, 2011, 10:08 AM
I always use a holster for pocket carry for three very important reasons...

1. Safety - I carry a Kahr PM9 and having the trigger covered is mandatory in my mind
2. The holster breaks up the profile of the gun and it looks like a wallet in my pocket.
3. Georgia Law requires a holster for anyone carrying a gun.

Tinpig
June 29, 2011, 10:11 AM
I always use an Uncle Mike's soft pocket holster when I'm carrying a snubby.

It protects the trigger and finish, breaks up the revolver's outline and keeps it more secure.

Tinpig

FrogDog22
June 29, 2011, 10:11 AM
I pocket carry with a holster. I like that the holster keeps my gun in a consistent position. My little 380 has room to roam otherwise.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
June 29, 2011, 10:14 AM
We all hope nothing ever happens when we are carrying, none of us want an accidental-discharge.

I would think that, should there ever be an AD and someone gets injured or even killed, not having a proper holster for the weapon would be one of the first things looked at, in my opinion -- especially if the lack of holster is primarily what caused the AD in the first place, i.e., keys snagged in the trigger, key ring snag, something else in the pocket snags trigger, something else snags trigger of gun anywhere else on the person, not necessarily in a pocket!

That goes for every way of carrying, not just pocket-carrying!

JTQ
June 29, 2011, 11:06 AM
Clint Smith has an article on this in American Handgunner, pg 24.

http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/AmericanHandgunner/AHMJ11/

Old Fuff
June 29, 2011, 11:41 AM
It depends on the size and shape of the pocket, but I learned long ago that if you simply drop a gun into the pocket and later reach for it, it may be in an entirely different position then what you expect.

Like muzzle up, butt down... :what:

A good pocket holster insures that this won't happen, and also distributes the weight so there is less snagging, and therefore printing.

Therefore I always use a holster.

Snowbandit
June 29, 2011, 12:02 PM
I have two for small revolvers but the one that gets used almost constantly is made out of leather by Galco. If I ever manage to wear it out the next will be the same except made from horse instead of cow. A decent holster maintains the gun in the proper orientation, helps break up the outline and protects the trigger. Ever snag your pants on something enough to rip a hole in them? With my luck that something would go right into the trigger guard and I don't need that kind of aggravation. I don't worry about other things in the pocket getting in the way because NOTHING else EVER goes in that pocket.

Onward Allusion
June 29, 2011, 01:25 PM
Bad things can happen with a semi auto with one in the pipe bouncing around in a pocket - even by itself in the pocket. The only way I would carry w/o a pocket holster is if the chamber is empty.

CTPhil
June 29, 2011, 01:44 PM
I use a simple sleeve type pocket holster, it prints like a wallet.

usmarine0352_2005
June 29, 2011, 03:15 PM
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I currently don't use a pocket holster, but the only reason I don't is because the one I ordered from Galco is back-ordered.



As soon as it gets here I'll use it 100% of the time.





Not only does it protect the trigger, if you ever accidentally leave coins or something in your pocket they won't mar the finish on your gun.

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armsmaster270
June 29, 2011, 03:37 PM
Another reason is pocket material is often thin and the weapon can wear a hole through it if unholstered.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
June 29, 2011, 03:55 PM
Robert Mika Pocket Holsters are like a Naugihide outside with a band of anti-slip material like they put under throw-rugs to keep them from sliding across the floor - very sticky-feeling, but not wet or sticky.

His holsters keep the sweat out of the gun as the holster is nearly waterproof! When you draw, you can have confidence that the holster will stay in the pocket, every time! I had an Uncle Mikes pocket holster that was a joke. It was made for my gun, however, every time I pulled my gun out of my pocket, there was Uncle Mike, covering the trigger guard and the gun -- NO THANKS!

Another thing, if your pockets happen to be much larger than your pocket holster, draw around the holster on one side (from the inside of the pants) and sew up the line so the pocket now has like two seperate compartments. If the second compartment is too small for anything, just continue the sewing over, on an angle, to the top of the pocket. That way the whole pocket will be like a funnel-shape into where the holster and gun are.

wh!plash
June 29, 2011, 04:01 PM
If you are carrying a loaded gun on your person, and you're not actively using it, it needs to be secured with the trigger covered.

Strykervet
June 29, 2011, 04:03 PM
I pocket carry rarely, when I do it is with a 340PD with no holster. I don't put anything else in the pocket with it either, so the pocket sort of is the holster.

clutch
June 29, 2011, 06:00 PM
I pocket carry a 442 in a uncle mikes holster or a nemisis depending on which one fits the pocket. It breaks up the outline and helps to keep crap out of the gun.

Not much chance of accidentally touching off a 442 so the holster isn't a safety system. For other guns the holster is definitely part of the safety system. Safe action types are only safe when holstered.

Clutch

AKElroy
June 29, 2011, 06:46 PM
Get a holster. I never leave the house unarmed regardless of what I am wearing. Some slacks require switching to a smaller, lighter gun, but I have that covered. IMO, Desantis Nemisis is a great option. My typical CCW is a lightly modded G27 w/ a full-sized G22 mag in a matching nemesis holster in the left pocket.

The mag helps balance the load.

My second choice is a S&W Scandium 340, C/T grips w/ two HKS speedloaders in the off pocket.

wrs840
June 29, 2011, 07:06 PM
My 637 2-1/2"bbl rides in a Nemesis. If I have pants on I'm armed, and this combo is a favorite of mine for around the house wear.

OregonJohnny
June 29, 2011, 07:16 PM
It sounds like most of the people who said they don't use a pocket holster, don't really pocket carry, except for a few seconds while walking to the car or taking the trash out or getting the mail.

For those who pocket carry for more than a few seconds, it makes absolute sense to use a holster. Since even the least expensive pocket holsters are designed to stick in the pocket during the draw, I can't think of a single reason not to use a holster while pocket carrying.

beatledog7
June 29, 2011, 07:24 PM
Never have pocket carried, but will be doing so this summer and just bought a suitable holster, so I voted yes. Would not pocket carry without one.

The Lone Haranguer
June 29, 2011, 10:02 PM
But last weekend a friend of mine, whose opinion I value, said that I should get a pocket holster in case something gets hooked on the trigger. I
Your friend is right, but that is only a secondary reason, as you should never put anything else in your gun pocket anyway. But there are some other good reasons, the biggest being that a pocket holster will position the gun correctly in your pocket at all times as well as break up its outline.

ArchAngelCD
June 30, 2011, 01:53 AM
IMO nothing but nothing should be in a pocket with your handgun with or without a holster.

I pocket carry daily and always use a holster for all the reasons stated in this thread already but especially to keep the handgun orientated grips up for an easy draw.

Geckgo
June 30, 2011, 02:18 AM
A jeans money pocket (or key pocket, secret pocket, or whatever you happen to call that thing) IS a holster if it covers the trigger assembly and the gun fits tightly. ;)

I haven't found a pocket holster I like yet, always on the lookout for one, we'll see.

SFsc616171
July 1, 2011, 03:04 PM
IMHO, pockets filled with firearms flopping around, go with the mindset of those that have their gold teeth 'grill', wear prison fashion statements, point their firearms sideways--because they don't really care what their discharged firearms hit, and would possibly be the one, at that moment when you snag your firearm, on the hem of the pocket, when you need it most!

Intelligent folks use holsters in pockets.

Derry 1946
July 1, 2011, 03:45 PM
I always holster carry for all the reasons pointed out already -- orientation, lint, printing, trigger coverage, hammer snag avoidance (if not DAO), avoids risk of falling out when bending or stooping, cuts down on scratches on the finish of the gun. Saves wear and tear on the pants pockets too. Stealthier if you need to switch between pants pockets, pants to jacket, jacket to glove box, etc. Detective Special in De Santis works great. The holster adds negligible extra bulk and weight. Supica advises the same in his S&W encyclopedia. You can always stash the holster flat in the other pocket, if you need to.

Rail Driver
July 1, 2011, 03:46 PM
IMHO, pockets filled with firearms flopping around, go with the mindset of those that have their gold teeth 'grill', wear prison fashion statements, point their firearms sideways--because they don't really care what their discharged firearms hit, and would possibly be the one, at that moment when you snag your firearm, on the hem of the pocket, when you need it most!

Intelligent folks use holsters in pockets.

That's the cool thing about the Bill of Rights... The First Amendment protects your right to think that way and to say things like that.

That said, my G26 certainly doesn't "flop around" in the pocket of my Levi's when I do choose to carry it in the pocket (rarely, as I mentioned before... to the trash can or mailbox when I'm not wearing a gun for some reason), and although I don't use a pocket holster when I pocket carry, I also don't wear a "grill", I don't wear "prison fashion statements", and I only cant my pistol (or rifle) sideways when shooting from cover and my position dictates it. I also happen to be college educated and very intelligent in my (and others') opinion.

I agree that depending on the circumstances, pocket carry can be dangerous if it's not done properly. A holster is a great thing if you have pockets large enough to fit a pocket holster. If not, be certain that the pistol is carried in a fashion that prevents unintentional discharge, and without other "crap" in the same pocket. A back pocket works fine for my pocket carry needs since they don't include driving or sitting and are short term. If you intend to pocket carry with any real frequency, though, a holster is almost required.

Rat Robb
July 2, 2011, 11:46 AM
Thanks for all the replys.

I see that the main reason you guys use a holster is so that it's not "flopping around" in your pocket and that it doesn't get snagged. My question is how big are your pockets?

I really only pocket carry during the summer when wearing shorts, all of my shorts are Dickies 15" work shorts. The pocket is sturdy, has a perfect shape and lays flat on my leg. My 442 is hammerless and is DAO, so an accidental discharge isn't a concern of mine as I pay attention as to what my body comes in contact with and the only thing in that pocket is the gun, not change, keys or whatever.

I have a IWB holster that I wear with pants but for shorts, the pocket is the best for me and I have no problem paying attention to it so that none of the above problems happen.

-Robb

LiquidTension
July 2, 2011, 11:52 AM
I had a P3AT for a while that I didn't carry in a holster. One day I took it to the range, took it out of my pocket, pulled the trigger and...*click* Tap, rack, bang *poof* a cloud of pocket lint. Lint had gotten in the gun and caused it not to fire. This is very, very bad on a carry gun. Ever since that day I always carry in a holster, even though I've now switched to a 642.

Derry 1946
July 2, 2011, 12:40 PM
As for pocket size, pants with a 30" waist will easily accommodate a 642 or a DS in a slim holster. I've carried for years this way all over the place without any problems. No one seems to notice, and certainly no one has ever asked if I was carrying.

thebaldguy
July 10, 2011, 09:52 PM
I find a pocket holster keep the gun oriented correctly, protects the trigger, disguises the shape, and keeps all that pocket lint/dirt away from the firearm. Even a cheap Uncle Mikes' model works well for a snubbie.

GCBurner
July 10, 2011, 11:43 PM
I've got pocket holsters for my P3AT .380, and for my S&W 640 .38. Before I got the holster for the 640, the edge of the front sight wore a hole through the pocket of my pants.
As someone already mentioned, guns carried in pockets tend to accumulate lint and other crud, which is not good for something that needs to be reliable enough to maybe stake your life on someday. In a simple, padded sleeve style pouch holster the guns stay clean, my pants don't get stains from gun oil, and the outline of the gun doesn't print through noticeably when I'm sitting or walking around.

gordy
July 15, 2011, 10:37 AM
I have carried a S&W 642 and a kel-tec 380 in my front right pocket for years. With and without a holster.
I always wear a hole in the pocket from the barrel of both guns.
I bought a pocket holster for both and have never had the hole come back.
I may slip one of the two in without a holster if it is a short trip, But for extended carry, they are in a holster.

mdauben
July 15, 2011, 08:25 PM
IMO there are any number of reason to use a Pocket Holster (as enumerated by many people in this thread) but as far as I can see, there is no reason not to use one. So, I voted for using one. ;)

rhodco
August 5, 2011, 05:09 PM
In the State of Georgia it is the law that your handgun must be carried in some type of holster. Just sticking it down your pants is not only foolish, it's illegal.

TimeIsRunninOut
August 6, 2011, 08:45 PM
I use a cheap Blackhawk! IWB holster to make it look like a money clip and pocket full of nothing. So far so good and at $12 can't really go wrong, I would like to try out the Desantis nemesis for my J-frame.

Mike1234567
August 6, 2011, 09:02 PM
I don't. My Kel-Tec P-11 has a side clip that hangs the pistol on my front pocket seam with the rear half of the grip sticking out. I wear a loose shirt and it doesn't show. I'll probably replace the Kel-Tec and so will my carry options.

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