[telewinz]

You have a choice of which event in history you MUST relive(NOT REPEAT). You have to use the same era weapons but you do know how the ending came out the first time and it CAN be changed by your actions.

[cxm]

The battle of Sharpsburg.... this time the good guys would win ;)

[4v50 Gary]

There were more survivors at the Little Big Horn. Maj. Reno's battalion and Capt. Benteen's battalion both managed to survive (though with heavy casualties). Rorke's drift had plenty of survivors too and I'm partial to it. Why? They had the advantage of a fixed position and some fortification.

[Oleg Volk]

How about the attempted assassination of Lenin? Use enough gun, a 7.92 Mauser, not a 6.35mm mouser.

[Topgun]

Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Peking, Shanghai, Moscow, Berlin, etc etc.

Just keep a goin before any of them got the bomb.

Then take em over and have 367 states. NONE with Dianne Feinstein!


:D ;)

[glocksman]

How about being right behind Gavrilo Princip in the crowd and sticking a Bowie in his back before he can shoot the Archduke?

[seeker_two]

Battle of Berlin 1944....

I'd have pushed forward until I saw the Kremlin gates...

[Baron Holbach4]

1846-48, America's war with Mexico. Instead of stopping at the Rio Grande, America should have annexed all of Mexico. Mexico would eventually become one of the 51 states. If so, then we wouldn't have today's immigration mess.

[Evil_Ed]

hehehe, since I am Native American I choose Little Big Horn! ;)

[Ky Larry]

The Phillipines, 1941. Or, Fords Theatre,April,1865.

[longtom4570]

Little Big Horn and I would bring the Gatling guns and some canons,along with say two or three Regiments of Infintry.

[Tamara]

Gee, I think I'll take Rorke's Drift seeing as how there were some frickin' survivors there. :rolleyes:

[Smokey Joe]

Battle of FredericksburgÑI'm a Yankee.

1. Shoot Gen. Hooker dead.

2. Take a squad of modern Navy SEALS across the river and up that hill under cover of darkness. (yes, I understand the rules. They'd have bowie knives and blackpowder and fuse. Don't need modern weapons, need ATTITUDE.)

(Somebody already took Ford's Theater. Under Lincoln, Reconstruction might actually have worked. Malice toward none, charity to all, etc... I believe he meant it. But Reconstruction can hardly be considered as one event.)

[Sactown]

"Little Big Horn with Custer and the Springfield." --- depends on which side i'm on.

[Gewehr98]

September 1st, 1939 - pre-position a buttload of Allied troops just inside Poland's border with Germany.

December 7th, 1941 - A certain radar operator with a Westinghouse SCR-270 radar set would know the images on his scope were an honest-to-Gawd Japanese attack formation, and that information started a General Quarters in Pearl Harbor...

March 11th, 1942 - General Douglas MacArthur is captured by the Japanese and forced to endure the same Bataan Death March with those in his command that he would have otherwise abandoned.

December 16th, 1944 - Wouldn't be a Battle of the Bulge if there were enough Allied troops and logistics to ward off the German push through the Ardennes, right?

[GLOCKT]

The Britts and the Gurkas retaking the Falklan Islands!

[Zundfolge]

How about the attempted assassination of Lenin? Use enough gun, a 7.92 Mauser, not a 6.35mm mouser.

Better yet, hot loaded .45LC (the rules just said weapons had to be same era, not same region ;) ).

[HogRider]

Thermopylae ... and get the traitor before he could tell the Persians the back way through the mountain pass.

[Langenator]

If you're talking someplace and time in history where use of a weapon available at the time could have changed history:

Whatever German prison Hitler was in, mid-1920s, with a shank.

If you're talking place/time to infulence some general/world leader on a decision that history later showed to be not the best:

Falaise pocket, late summer/early fall 1944: move the Army boundaries a bit, let Patton and Third Army complete the encirclement, destroy the German Army in the west. Commence the hauling butt to Berlin, spare at least eastern Germany (and probably more-the division of Europe would have been a lot different if we knew we would actually be physically occupying a lot more of it) from living behind the Iron Curtain.

[tc300mag1]

Little Big Horn with Custer and the Springfield .. How about with a springfield m1a and a 1911 45 :)

[jercamp45]

Russia would make a nice add-on to Alaska when it became a state in '59.....after the states of Italy, France, Germany, and Japan.
Then, no one would have a problem, buying American products!!
Methinks, the American Flag would be flying over most of the world by now, which ain't a bad idea, since we support and police alot of it. With finanical aid. You can keep your culture and religion, UNLESS it becomes a problem...then we become the cure!
That would be a most interesting SciFi Novel.....if we sent Patton into the Soviet Union and used Alaskan airbases and the new ones in Japan to start taking Stalin to the Cleaners. The height of our industrial, military and technological might. It would not have been pretty, two industrial nations with millions of soldiers, planes and tanks dukin' it out....but we had better production, and machines(other than that Sherman tank) two fronts to fight from, a massive naval force, a workable jet fighter, long range bomber's out the wazoo and, of course, the A-Bomb! Far better small arms too!
Oh, Custer should have had Henry's or Winchester's AND Gatling's.
Jercamp45

[Topgun]

Patton wudda been too soft on da Rooskies and da Chinese.

Let's use General Hannibal Lecter.

:D

[Stoney]

A front row seat at Lincolns Gettysburg address. I would love to have been there to see Mr Lincoln speak.

[capnrik]

I would have liked to been seated in first class on a certain airliner on September 11, 2001, with a Colt's 1911 in a shoulder holster.

[LawDog]

Hmm.

Same era weapons?

I'll take Rorke's Drift.

"Hullo, Leftenant, my name is LawDog, I'm a sales representative for Gatling Machine...damn, that's a lot of Zulus. Leftenant...Bromhead, is it?... have I got a deal for you."

What I'd really like is a Sykes-Fairbain knife and a two hour head start in Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963.

Lee Harvey Oswald found dead from a "mugging gone wrong" after JFK is winging his way back to Washington would take a lot of the steam out of the GCA of 1968.

LawDog

[Moparmike]

I am not familiar with the first, and the last one seems a little self-defeatist.:)


I will take an A-6 Intruder back to Pearl Harbor, loaded with as many torpedoes as I can muster. Wait, that's not period. Damn.


Ok, I'll take a fully-manned Iowa-class Battleship back to Pearl, just northwest of it, in the middle of the Jap fleet. I can magically appear, right? Like to see a bunch of carriers defend themselves against 16" guns 700yds away.:D

Can me and the 2nd Army under Patton suddenly appear behind the German lines in Normandy on June 5, 1944?:evil:

[dadman]

About the original question and poll:
Rorke's Drift with Chard and the Martini Henry.
Why? Better leadership, better defensive position, opponents not as well armed, and a chance to 'be British, be Brave'. For the Queen!

[Bruce H]

At the drafting of the original constitution and the bill of rights. Some language would be changed. Government would meet for about ten days to take care of all business. The second would say shall not be infringed period. All the other first ten would be worded the same way. If anybody took it upon themselves to rewright or redefine them it would be legal to shoot them where they stand.

[seeker_two]

A front row seat at Lincolns Gettysburg address. I would love to have been there to see Mr Lincoln speak.

Me too.... :evil:

seeker just another loyal son of the South two

[Oleg Volk]

What, no one for the Zulu side?

[Ganjiro]

Not in any order of preferance.
1. 1281 on the shores of Hakata Bay, Kyushu, Japan awaiting the attack of the invading Mongol fleet. Armed with my asymmetrical bamboo longbow, my Katana, Wakizashi, and Tanto, fully armoured.
2. 1876 Little Big Horn fighting along side the Lakota, and Cheyenne.
3. 1297 Fighting the English at Stirling Bridge Claymore in hand
4. 1991 Rolling straight into Bagdad in a M-1 Abrams and kicking Sadams butt right then, and there.
5. 480 BC Thermopylae one of the 300 Spartans fighting the Persians.
6. 1845 New Zealand fighting alongside Maori Chief Hone Heke Pokai against invading British forces.
7. 1893 Hawaii try to rally troops of the Royal Hawaiian Guards in defense of Queen Liliu'okalani, and to try and stop hostile takeover of the Government of the Kingdom of Hawaii by hostile American Troops.

[Feanaro]

Since actually changing the outcome of a battle might change the whole of history and there-by negate my own existance, I'll take Rorke's Drift.

[telewinz]

With "Dugout Doug" MacArthur at Clark Field 0n December 8th 1941. Take adavantage of the warning given by the Pearl Harbor attack and INSIST the bombing raid go ahead against Japanese occupied Formosa. At least my airforce would not be caught still sitting on the ground HOURS after the Pearl Harbor attack! No courtmartial, go figure. If that "incident" met our leadership "standard", no wonder we had to rely on overwhelming the Germans and Japs to beat them. You really think we needed MacArthur that badly? I know, it was the fault of his chief of staff.:scrutiny:

[trooper]

You guys got some interesting suggestions... I have actually no idea which battle I would choose.

But I'd like to ask a different question (no thread hijack intended :) ). Some of you chose certain events because it would have really changed the course of history if they had turned out differently. Are you sure you'd like to have that change? You might kick some villain's butt, or save a couple 10,000 people but have you thought about the possible consequences?

It could turn out for better or for worse... no way we could ever find out but it sure would be fun to ponder about it... What would the world really look like today if you fulfilled your fantasies?


Regards,

Trooper

[Spieler]

From the two choices given I'd have to go with Rorke's Drift.

[iapetus]

1066, Battle of Hastings.

Persuade King Harold to wear a better helmet :)



Alternatively, Europe, early 20th Century. Persuade 31 million people* to carry arms.




*As in the 6m Jews and (I think) 5m "others" that died in the Holocaust, and the 20m killed by Stalin.

[Devonai]

I'm with Gewehr98 on the Ardennes, 1944-45. The only thing I would do differently is show up and pass out extra food, ammo, and some proper cold weather gear!

[Moparmike]

Now that I think about it, I would go back in time and avail General Patton to the usefulness of seatbelts.:D

[stevelyn]

I'll take a fuly mannned Iowa class battleship northwest of Pearl in the middle of the Japanese fleet.


Ever see the movie "Final Countdown" ? I would prefer a nuke powered Nimitz class aircraft carrier just out side the range of the Japanese guns. A full compliment of Tomcats, Intruders, and anti-ship and anti-aircraft missles.:evil:

[Edward429451]

Jeckyl island with some dynamite, and friends with 45/70's.

[Mornard]

LawDog - I'd like to be in Dealey Plaza too, but with a video camera (ok, movie camera) so that when Kennedy still got assasinated, I could be filming the grassy knoll, and the bridge...

besides that, I'd pick one of the other airliners on September 11

[Sam Adams]

In the same vein as LawDog regarding gun control legislation, how about going back to the late 1930's and financing an attorney for Miller at the USSC level, along with evidence that a "short-barreled shotgun" is "suitable for militia duty?" That would have been the death-knell of the '34 NFA, and all other gun-control legislation for quite some time.

Of course, if we're doing time travel there are a few other things that might be nice to do.

Even without weapons, it would be a nice thing to go back to 1789 and educate Mr. Madison and his collegues about how to correctly write the 2nd Amendment, to wit: "Section 1: Neither the federal government, nor any state, nor any subdivision of any state shall have the authority to infringe in any way upon the right of individual citizens or legal residents of any state to keep or bear arms. Section 2: Any official of any government who violates, or proposes to violate, Section 1 shall be imprisoned for no less than 10 years without benefit of parole, upon conviction of same by a jury of 12 citizens, and shall be forever barred from election or appointment to any position in government service." I'd say that this would take care of gun control in the USA pretty well, thus eliminating the possibility of the '34 NFA or '68 GCA.

Back to weapons:

Regarding Hitler, why go to prison with a shank to kill him (then you're in a prison)? Instead, rent an apartment a few floors up on some public square where you know he spoke, and use a scoped Mauser to pop the melon on top of his shoulders before he even went to prison.

Karl Marx wouldn't have gotten out of puberty before he got offed, nor would Lenin, Trotsky or Stalin. Whatever was the most modern American handgun of the era would be in my hand.

I'd have arranged for far more ammunition and far more men to be at the Alamo.

The invasion of Canada in 1812 would have succeeded.

Benedict Arnold would have had an "accident" immediately after the Battle of Saratoga.

For the financially-savvy, I'd have used my foreknowledge of future events to have bought tons of stock option puts in August of 1987, cashed them in immediately after the crash and bought tons of Microsoft stock with the proceeds. In early 1999, I'd have sold off a chunk and bought a load of Qualcomm before it went up 25 times. I'd have sold all of my stock around 3/15/00, and bought a bunch of puts. I'd now be worth several times what Bill Gates is, and could probably finance development of a time machine.:D

[71Commander]

Lee Harvey Oswald found dead from a "mugging gone wrong"

I don't think that would have changed the outcome.

[telewinz]

Now that I think about it, I would go back in time and avail General Patton to the usefulness of seatbelts.

Not me, I'd have a movie camera running as he slapped the sick, bedridden soldier. Truscott would have been promoted sooner and would have had a more decisive influence sooner. Lucian would have gotten credit for his deeds instead of Patton.

[Jack19]

Really...I'd like to have seen the shepherds in the hills over Bethlehem meet the angel who told them Christ was born.

I'd also like to have attended the Sermon on the Mount.

And to have seen the Ascension.

[Butch]

Just a little off the question but I always thought it would be fun to take about 50 Marlin 22 leveraction rifles back in time to the Alamo. Oh yeh about 200,000 rounds of ammo too. Just think how many the Texicans could have taken out with that advantage in firepower!
:what: :uhoh: :uhoh: :evil: :evil: :neener:

[Tamara]

Lucian would have gotten credit for his deeds instead of Patton.

Which deeds of Truscott's did Patton get credit for? Getting bogged down during Operation Shingle?

Some folks should get their history from places other than Franklin Schaffner productions... :rolleyes:

[Bruce H]

The prophet Mohammed would be a great candidate along with Jesus. If we are going to clean house we might as well do it right.

[telewinz]

Some folks should get their history from places other than Franklin Schaffner productions...
Your comic book view of history does have it's limitations, how about the official Army History? Its the deed(s) not the PR and colorful pictures that promotes it.:rolleyes: NOTE: SHINGLE was commanded by GENERAL JOHN P. LUCAS, I guess its an easy mistake to make since they both have L-U-C in their name.uhoh:

Early in World War II he joined Lord Mountbatten's combined staff where he developed the Ranger units for special operations. He led his Rangers in combat at Dieppe and in Morocco and then began his assent through the various levels of major combat command.
Promoted to the rank of major general, Truscott led the Northern Attack Group in the assault of Morocco in November 1942. Truscott also took part in the invasion of Tunisia where he was Eisenhower's field deputy.
During the Italian campaign Truscott led the 3rd Division at Salerno, Cassino and Anzio. Truscott replaced General John Lucas as head of the 6th Corps and led the troops that entered Rome on 4th June 1944.
Considered to be an expert on amphibious warfare, Truscott directed planning and training for the invasion of France by the 7th Army. Landing on 15th August 1944 he moved north and after crossing the Moselle River he headed for the Rhine River.
Truscott replaced General Mark Clark at commander of the 5th Army on 16th December 1944. He succeeded George Patton as 3rd Army commander and military governor of Bavaria in September 1945.
Operation Shingle (January 22, 1944), during World War II, involved an Allied naval assault against Axis forces in the area of Anzio and Nettuno, Italy. The operation was commanded by GENERAL JOHN P. LUCAS and was intended to outflank German forces of the Gustav Line and enable an attack on Rome.
Underrated
Lucian Truscott is similarly obscure. Truscott’s promotions came even faster than Brereton’s, and he commanded in battle at every echelon from regiment to field army. During this war the infantry divisions were the hard core of American military power on the ground, and among their commanders were some of the very best soldiers America put into the field. Lucian Truscott was arguably the best American division commander in the war, and for him it was a long war indeed, stretching from Morocco and Tunisia through Sicily to mainland Italy—two amphibious assaults there, at Salerno and at Anzio—and to southern France, where he took VI Corps up the Rhone Valley. He took over the 5th Army in Italy late in 1944 and finished the war with a campaign against desperate German resistance in the Po Valley. Not one of his campaigns could have been called easy; his troops fought their way over some of the worst terrain and against some of the most determined enemy the European theater had to offer.

Truscott was raised as a cavalry officer. He had wit and dash and a talent to lead, a fine mind, and a ready pen. After the war he wrote one of the best memoirs by any American fighting general, Command Missions. But in a miscarriage of history, he has disappeared from the view of all but the most serious students of the war.

GENERAL LUCIAN K. TRUSCOTT, JR. (1895-1965), is still regarded by many as the most outstanding US. Army combat commander in World War II.

[Joe Demko]

Why shoot or stab or otherwise kill Hitler/Stalin/Lenin/Lincoln/badguy of yer choice when you have something as powerful as time travel at your disposal? Just by knocking on the door or setting off some fireworks in the street at the right time you can prevent his conception. Heck, you can prevent his whole bloodline from ever coming into existance if it pleasures you.
Individuals like Hitler and Lenin and Mao didn't become powerful dictators on their own. They rode societal problems to power. Killing one of them doesn't eliminate the root causes of what allowed them to rule. Kill Hitler as a child and all you have done is give someone else the opportunity to become dicatator in post-WWI Germany. Prevent Mao's conception and China would still be ripe for Communism in the 30's and 40's.
No, if you want to use time travel to avoid the excesses and bloodbaths of the past, I don't think becoming a time-travelling assassin is the way to do it. You need to address widespread problems, not the individual men who exploited those problems.

[seeker_two]

Why shoot or stab or otherwise kill Hitler/Stalin/Lenin/Lincoln/badguy of yer choice when you have something as powerful as time travel at your disposal?

Think of what you could become... (http://www.ziplo.com/grandpa.htm)

[Ed Ely]

the Civil War for me. The fodder from the cannons would not
have been round balls either. As much big link chain as I could
have stuffed into the barrel would have done a much better job of
extinguishing the other side, the ones not wearing grey.

Ed

[Adam]

Warsaw Uprising in 1944. More guns and ammo for us, few hundred antitank launchers and some bigger air support. Then we can hold our positions much longer against Germans...My city lost 200 000 people, we fought for 63 days without support, but we killed over 10 000 Nazi's.