How often do CCW holders draw guns?


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bushmaster1313
July 3, 2011, 02:16 AM
Any statistics on how often CCW holders draw guns to stop or deter a crime?

Total U.S. per year
Total draws per total CCW permits

Thank you

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Sunray
July 3, 2011, 03:00 AM
Hi. I doubt those stats exist, nationally. CCW permits are a State thing.

mljdeckard
July 3, 2011, 03:02 AM
And they don't get uniformly reported in any way, it isn't a crime.

hardluk1
July 3, 2011, 08:37 AM
In 26 years I have had my hand on my pistol to protect myself 2 times but never had to clear the holster.

lot21
July 3, 2011, 09:39 AM
I have no idea but I would bet most have never had to draw. That's why I hate the anti's "It will be like the old west" argument. It's never been the case.

Very good question though.

ball3006
July 3, 2011, 10:19 AM
The only time I ever drew my pistol was when a dog, set on taking a bite out of me, attacked. Luckily, the owner called it off. He begged me not to shoot his dog. I had to report it to the police though because I was on a public street. chris3

Gun Geezer
July 3, 2011, 10:23 AM
I have drawn mine twice. Very stealthfuly so nobody was able to notice. Not trur "draw downs", but I did feel the need to get it out and handy, so I did.

jiminhobesound
July 3, 2011, 12:26 PM
Lots of panhandlers/street people here in Florida. I have had a gun in hand in my car on several occasions as they approached me in the car in a parking lot. I am not paranoid and it is south Florida.

cactusgeorge
July 3, 2011, 12:47 PM
While parked one night in a truck stop in Green River,Utah, I had a stranger approach my vehicle and start talking to me through the window. He smelt of liquor and was mumbling unintelligble words. I had my Glock 23, with a round in the chamber, pointed at him through the door all the while he was there. I was finally successful in getting to leave and the fool never knew how close he would have come to "meeting his maker" had he not staggered off into the night. The only time I have ever had my weapon out and pointed at someone while carrying for over ten years. Carried a gun for a living for seven years and had my hand on the grip frame twice, but did not have to present it

Aahzz
July 3, 2011, 12:56 PM
I've been carrying for 18 years now, and have had it half out of the holster once, when an aggressive dog was threatening me in my front yard, right after I'd gotten out of my car. Luckily, the dog was called away before I had to finish the draw and shoot it.

Standing Wolf
July 3, 2011, 02:45 PM
Like fire extinguishers, guns aren't needed very often, and further like fire extinguishers, no good substitutes have been invented to date.

Tape
July 3, 2011, 03:31 PM
On or about 1993 I killed a man, afterwards, I realized only afterwards that I really did not want to actually kill him, I was cleared and got my gun back but I made a vow to myself to never shoot a man above the waist!

It was like a dream that takes a long time to get over. I shot him in the head with a 10mm hollow point, made an awful mess and he had only about 55% of skull attached to his neck afterwards. Drug addict came after me with a butcher knife, the other knife he threw stuck me in the upper thigh, That was my reasoning for the head shot + the adrenalin pumping and temporary lost my mind.

bredda
July 3, 2011, 03:47 PM
I've had my CCW for eleven years and draw my firearm at least twice a week when doing my best Bruce Willis impersonation in front of the mirror in the master bedroom.

wally
July 3, 2011, 04:47 PM
20+ years of carrying, never! Hand my hand on it three times when situational awareness suggested something might be up, but never happened, which is a very good thing.

Same as I've used my fire extinguishers -- zero. Its one of those things you have with the hope you never need to use it!

Obliviously I'm not counting practice.

HorseSoldier
July 3, 2011, 05:30 PM
As a private citizen, never.

Of all the people I know who CCW regularly as private citizens, I can think of only one person who has had to draw their weapon (attempted mugging of two armed citizens, one mugger killed the other handed over to responding police).

So, of the people I know, that probably works out to something less than 1%.

Working in law enforcement, I also very rarely hear about people actually drawing their CCWs or using them. There can obviously be some skewing in that -- if drawing the weapon fixes the problem, perhaps people don't call the police at all, etc. -- but it's seems to be pretty low, in any case.

trex1310
July 3, 2011, 05:50 PM
I've drawn my weapon 3 or 4 times in 25+ years and was involved in
one shooting. The gentleman that received a .45acp to the sternum
tried to rob me in broad daylight with a piece of galvanized pipe. He
did, to my amazement, manage to survive.

Vern Humphrey
July 3, 2011, 05:54 PM
I have drawn mine three times -- once when some dirtbag tried to mug me, and twice when out walking the country road and a dog attacked me. No shots were fired in any of those incidents -- apparently even a pit bull can recognize a man who is unafraid and prepared to give him more than he can handle.

Tape
July 3, 2011, 08:17 PM
I have drawn mine three times -- once when some dirtbag tried to mug me, and twice when out walking the country road and a dog attacked me. No shots were fired in any of those incidents -- apparently even a pit bull can recognize a man who is unafraid and prepared to give him more than he can handle.
That is so strange, I seen a pit run toward this guy and while the pit was running dude took out his piece and pointed at the pit, eeerrrrrrrrrrrrkk that pit stopped in his tracks then sidestepped it away while looking, poor pit seemed to be looking at the pistol while walking away. I would have never believed it if I didn't see it.

rscalzo
July 3, 2011, 08:19 PM
There are no state stats recorded, nor is it a field in the UCR.

shockwave
July 3, 2011, 08:30 PM
See Gary Kleck's remarks (http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html) on this subject.

His stats confirm the idea that sure, you can "carry" all the live long day. You'll never need that gun, ever.

Ever.

Some fantasy you have that some criminal will offend against you, and you'll draw your CCW and frighten the BG, or shoot him, is basically a non-starter. It won't happen.

The reason I carry is because if you get unlucky, it tends to be really bad.

bcp280z
July 3, 2011, 09:34 PM
Truthfully I've only done it once, and that was just brandishing, lift shirt, grab grip, call it childish but I draw alot in front of the mirror.

Vern Humphrey
July 3, 2011, 09:43 PM
That is so strange, I seen a pit run toward this guy and while the pit was running dude took out his piece and pointed at the pit, eeerrrrrrrrrrrrkk that pit stopped in his tracks then sidestepped it away while looking, poor pit seemed to be looking at the pistol while walking away. I would have never believed it if I didn't see it.
You're right. Every time I've mentioned that incident, people have been skeptical, "How did the dog know what a gun was?"

I think it's body language. Phil Shoemaker, who is a bear guide and lives in the Alaskan wilderness in bear country wrote an article on the every popular question, "What sort of gun should I carry in bear country?"

Interestingly, Phil commented that the most valuable thing about carrying a gun was that it gives you the confidence to send a message to the bear -- "I don't want to hurt you, but if you mess with me I'll hurt you bad."

So apparently that phenominon is not restricted to dogs.

Plan2Live
July 3, 2011, 10:01 PM
Working on my permit now as an insurance policy. Assume for a moment I had been carrying over the past say 20 years. I've only had one situation where I would like to have had my hand on one. but my quick wit stunned the potential threat (no kidding) and gave me precious seconds to get a few steps between us and out of harms way. I Had another situation where I might have drawn due to the situation and adrenaline but that would have been a mistake and probably turned out very badly. These are things to consider when deciding to carry. Big decision not to be taken lightly.

HOWARD J
July 3, 2011, 11:03 PM
I have been carrying a gun off & on about 45 years.
I have never had to draw the weapon--I have placed my hand on the hostered weapon to make agressive pan-handlers back away.
You don't go running to report these things to the cops. It's best not to give some creep
a chance to lie about what you did & try to get you in a lot of trouble.
When I lived in Detriot it was against the law to branish a weapon to stop people from stealing things from your separate garage. You would go to jail & the crooks would would go back to the bar. I put a Brinks system on the house & garage & did not have any more trouble.

Capt. Ct.
July 3, 2011, 11:19 PM
I have never had to draw. The reason I decided to get my permit however was because my family and I were driving home on Christmas morning when someone in a car coming from the other direction threw a bottle at my windshield. I watched in the mirror as they spun around and came after us. I hit the gas and the next time I looked they weren't there anymore. Thinking about what might have happened if they had caught up to us and maybe forced us off the road, I decided to get a my permit.

MikeNice
July 4, 2011, 01:26 AM
In 26 years I have had my hand on my pistol to protect myself 2 times but never had to clear the holster.
I've had to clear twice in less than a year. One a guy tried to rob me in broad day light with a knife. The other time a guy and girl team were trying to rob me. She was going to blindside me with a tire iron.

I've never had to fire though. Most people react like the pit bulls in this thread.

Those kind of stats are going to be nearly impossible to find. If you did it really wouldn't be very accurate.

HorseSoldier
July 4, 2011, 04:15 AM
Interestingly, Phil commented that the most valuable thing about carrying a gun was that it gives you the confidence to send a message to the bear -- "I don't want to hurt you, but if you mess with me I'll hurt you bad."

So apparently that phenominon is not restricted to dogs.

Makes sense. If aggression is based on prey drive, animals (as well as humans) normally make an assessment before giving it a go. The animals that live to pass on their genes are the ones that can make good assessments about whether or not potential prey has the capability to injure them bad enough that even if they win that one they won't be able to hunt for some time in the future and so starve.

bigfatdave
July 4, 2011, 07:09 AM
I've never had to fire though. Most people react like the pit bulls in this thread.I'm fairly sure that will be the typical response.
Your average oppurtunistic predator isn't looking for a fight, they're looking for an easy score.

Bonesinium
July 4, 2011, 07:42 AM
I would say the average person who carries never has to draw. However people don't carry based on averages.

Shawn Dodson
July 4, 2011, 11:04 AM
As an LEO I drew my pistol many times.

However as a private citizen who's CCW'd continuously since 1984 I've never felt the need to even put my hand on my pistol.

Ryanxia
July 4, 2011, 11:32 AM
I think it would be hard to find any statistics that are accurate on this particular area. For my own exeriences, I've only been carrying a few years but knock on wood never had to draw or even come close.

It's still nice to have though, like a condom I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it :)

Smokey in PHX
July 4, 2011, 12:31 PM
After 45 years of carrying, never had to draw a gun.

jonmerritt
July 4, 2011, 12:55 PM
changed my mind

steelbird
July 4, 2011, 01:15 PM
Tape-

It's possible that the Pit Bull may have had some exposure to guns before, and recognized it as a threat. I presently have some cats in my life- one that I adopted as an adult, the other taken in as an older kitten. The former gets terribly afraid of the sight of my guns, the other does not. As I do not know the adult adoptee's full background, she may have had a bad experience in her life somewhere with someone who had guns. I try not to have them out when she's around. The other pays no heed whatsoever.
OTOH, I have had some unarmed encounters with dogs before, and yes, simple strong body language and a sharp tone of voice was enough to back them off- I believe it's a dominance thing for dogs.

Tape
July 4, 2011, 01:23 PM
Tape-

It's possible that the Pit Bull may have had some exposure to guns before, and recognized it as a threat. I presently have some cats in my life- one that I adopted as an adult, the other taken in as an older kitten. The former gets terribly afraid of the sight of my guns, the other does not. As I do not know the adult adoptee's full background, she may have had a bad experience in her life somewhere with someone who had guns. I try not to have them out when she's around. The other pays no heed whatsoever.
OTOH, I have had some unarmed encounters with dogs before, and yes, simple strong body language and a sharp tone of voice was enough to back them off- I believe it's a dominance thing for dogs.
yes, I completely agree

klutchless
July 4, 2011, 10:04 PM
Never had to draw my gun but i'm real fast with my flashlight.I have only had one white knuckle experience but as soon as the light came out the guy turned and went the other way.guess he didn't want to see what was coming out of its holster next.

Gr8apmech
July 4, 2011, 10:28 PM
I was invited to hunt during bow season at a small ranch a few years ago. Just before Thanksgiving, I went to load up my equipment and head back, season was over for me there. When my boy and I pulled up, a group of guys (owners kinfolk I presume) were there and I quickly found out the person who invited me was not welcome in the family...he was an ex-in-law!:what: One of the guys, a younger one, came up to me and told me (with AK-47 in hand) that I was lucky my young son was with me...Not carrying anything except a bow, I quickly got back into the truck and turned around. Learned a few lessons that day...Trust, but verify your invitations and always, always, always carry a weapon to protect yourself. That's why I have my CCW today.

beatledog7
July 4, 2011, 11:41 PM
From what I can gather, 99.999% of CCW holders and open carriers hope they will never have to draw. It'll always be open to speculation what percentage have ever actually done so.

To put that in perspective, about the same percentage of drivers who carry collision insurance hope they are never in a crash. But when they are...

Jonah71
July 5, 2011, 11:55 AM
In nearly 3 years of legally carrying I haven't been in a situation where it has even crossed my mind. In the 70's, when I wasn't so concerned about legalities, it only breifly crossed my mind once. I didn't and took the beating instead. I healed quickly and there was no harm done. (except maybe to my pride) And to be clear, I was positive my life was not in danger.

CoRoMo
July 5, 2011, 12:03 PM
A couple times on animals. Never had to do more than think about my pistol in regards to human interactions. That has happened many times though.

ForumSurfer
July 5, 2011, 12:15 PM
I don't think you will find stats on that.

I can only tell you that I draw every weekend and sometimes during the week at night...while practicing.

I drew on a snake Sunday, but he wasn't poisonous, so I let him go. :)

Other than dispatching rodent type yard invaders, I've never had to draw (thankfully).

I've had to clear twice in less than a year. One a guy tried to rob me in broad day light with a knife. The other time a guy and girl team were trying to rob me. She was going to blindside me with a tire iron.

Just goes to show you that you never know what will happen, which is why I like to carry. I'm willing to bet that my area of NC has a higher crime rate than MikeNice's area yet he's apparently been a victim of a crime of opportunity twice. I'm glad he came through, but I'm also glad my opportunity has never come up and hopefully never will.

geekWithA.45
July 5, 2011, 12:36 PM
I think the underlying question isn't really about clearing holsters, and really about how often guns are used by defenders to prevent or extricate themselves from a crime being committed against them.

The answer is roughly two million times per year.

See this for details and balance:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

hermannr
July 5, 2011, 02:59 PM
One time in over 40 years of OC and cc, and my weapon never cleared the holster. As soon as the guy that wanted to do me bodily harm (road rage)saw that I was armed, he decided he had better things to do.

Rail Driver
July 5, 2011, 03:04 PM
I practice my draw stroke daily, with both of my carry guns. I've only been forced to draw twice. Once in public (at a gas station) and once at home. I'm 29 yrs old and have been carrying for 10 of those years.

mgkdrgn
July 5, 2011, 09:33 PM
You are never going to get those numbers, as they don't exist.

No one reports crimes that didn't happen (ie, crime prevented by a CCW draw)

Hell, they have enough trouble just getting a correct murder count.

Pilgrim
July 6, 2011, 12:52 AM
It's possible that the Pit Bull may have had some exposure to guns before, and recognized it as a threat.
Or more likely, a confident aggressive stance by the CCW holder confused the dog and warned it off.

I carried when I was out jogging in rural central CA. A pack of three farm dogs came running across the street at me with teeth bared. I drew and got ready to start shooting dogs.

As soon as I took a shooter's stance, they shied off and returned to their yard.

The farmer saw it all and got all pissed off, said he was going to call the Sheriff. I was a reserve deputy at the time and said fine, we would discuss the fact his loose dogs were in violation of a county ordinance that said dogs had to be fenced, on a leash, or under the owner's control.

He never called the Sheriff.

Pilgrim

knotquiteawake
July 6, 2011, 10:22 AM
My little two year old Boston Terrier goes nuts when you have a gun in your hands. She's never been shot at by anything, she just will run towards you and start jumping up trying to bite the gun. Doesn't matter if its a silver cap gun, my glock-replica airsoft, or a real gun. If she sees it in my hands pointed out and slightly down at all she tries to go for it.

Hopefully if somebody breaks in she will see the BG's gun first providing the distraction I need (and hopefully she jumps around enough to dodge bullets).

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