Emmanuel OK's gun ranges in Chicago


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usmarine0352_2005
July 3, 2011, 07:13 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/03/chicago-moves-toward-gun-ranges-as-permitting-process-encumbers-owners/?test=latestnews


Chicago Moves Toward Gun Ranges as Permitting Process Encumbers Owners

Published July 03, 2011

| FoxNews.com

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel plans to introduce a new ordinance next week that would allow indoor gun ranges within city limits, MyFoxChicago reports.





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usmarine0352_2005
July 3, 2011, 07:14 PM
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From the article:


It also hasn't pleased opponents of gun ownership. Tio Hardiman, executive director of Cease Fire Chicago, told MyFoxChicago that bringing gun ranges into the city will encourage more people to start shooting.



Yeah, better to have people shooting at each other in the streets.

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El Mariachi
July 3, 2011, 07:37 PM
Great news, now maybe the bangers will learn how to shoot their rivals more accurately.....:rolleyes:

Romeo 33 Delta
July 3, 2011, 08:20 PM
Quick ... somebody call THE DEVIL and tell him to check the thermometer and his furnace ... looks like HELL'S ABOUT TO FREEZE OVER!:evil:

youngda9
July 3, 2011, 08:25 PM
I bet they'll regulate the hell out of them and none will survive under the chicago system.

zoom6zoom
July 3, 2011, 08:26 PM
...they'll just arrest anyone who shows up with a firearm.

El Mariachi
July 3, 2011, 08:42 PM
1). As of August 1st, 2011, Private indoor shooting ranges will be legal to own and operate inside of the Chicago city limits.

2). As of July 31st, 2011, no firearms of any sort will be allowed inside of the Chicago city limits.

3). Have a nice day, suckers......

Cactus Jack Arizona
July 3, 2011, 09:01 PM
I wouldn't hold your breath! :what:

mrvco
July 3, 2011, 09:26 PM
I bet they'll regulate the hell out of them and none will survive under the chicago system.

Well this is Chicago and the "system" is open to lots of things as long as you understand that there may come a time, when you must return the favor :evil:

Rahm did volunteer in the IDF (albeit fixing typewriters or some such) and his father had some experience as an Israeli paramilitary... so if it gains him some political points, then he might be a bit more open-minded to the concept than your typical gun-ignorant anti-gun activist.

mg.mikael
July 3, 2011, 11:49 PM
Sounds to good to be true......their will probably be some sort of stipulation that it will be run by the Chicago Police for the sole purpose of those wishing to get their handgun permit in Chicago. Not open to rifles, shotguns, or any other type of firearm.

BCCL
July 3, 2011, 11:56 PM
Chicago has had hundreds of outdoor ranges for years....they call them streets.

El Mariachi
July 4, 2011, 12:12 AM
^Ding^.....:D

Onmilo
July 4, 2011, 10:20 AM
He will regulate something else to prevent the ranges from meeting requirements to actually open and conduct business or security forces will arrest every idiot who shows up in the city with a not allowed/illegal within city limits type firearm.

There is a catch somewhere, there always is.

Nanook
July 4, 2011, 07:42 PM
You have to wonder when the other shoe is going to drop, and what it will be. I hate to be cynical, but we are talking about Chicago.

hirundo82
July 4, 2011, 07:45 PM
Only in Chicago would Rahm Emanuel be an improvement for gun rights.

razorback2003
July 5, 2011, 02:28 AM
Rahm probably is an improvement over the last guy.

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 5, 2011, 03:04 AM
As of July 31st, 2011, no firearms of any sort will be allowed inside of the Chicago city limits.

They seriously have banned all types of firearms in Chicago? I thought Heller had something to say about that happening?

Smokey in PHX
July 5, 2011, 03:28 AM
Careful guys it could be a misprint.

usmarine0352_2005
July 5, 2011, 06:07 AM
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He will regulate something else to prevent the ranges from meeting requirements to actually open and conduct business or security forces will arrest every idiot who shows up in the city with a not allowed/illegal within city limits type firearm.

There is a catch somewhere, there always is.




I suspect this.




You can have a gun range, but you can't transport guns because it isn't within the home.

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stonecutter2
July 5, 2011, 08:52 AM
I have a feeling that the idea behind this is to keep some of the revenue for the handgun permit courses in the city, rather than watching it all go to the burbs. Chicago loves money.

I'm guessing the applications might be stronger than expected, and the city wants to get it's share of the pie on this beyond their $100 application fee and $15 per gun registration fee.

AirForceShooter
July 5, 2011, 09:17 AM
Now Rahm is a gun guy and friendly to gun owners in his city.

That's turning a defnite defeat into a WIN.

This guy is good.

AFS

Sav .250
July 5, 2011, 09:21 AM
You can bet that was done to help his old boss. In a round about way of course.

06
July 5, 2011, 09:28 AM
I smell a rat. Somewhere lying in their murky anti minds is a plan.

mg.mikael
July 5, 2011, 02:27 PM
Now Rahm is a gun guy and friendly to gun owners in his city.

That's turning a defnite defeat into a WIN.

This guy is good.

AFS

Nice sarcasm.

Seriously though, Rahm a gun guy???? Where have you been for the last few years, Rahm ain't no gun guy, and he's as cunning and deceptive as they come. Great traits for politicians and criminals, bad for everyone else.

Standing Wolf
July 5, 2011, 02:41 PM
Only in Chicago would Rahm Emanuel be an improvement for gun rights.

Logically, slightly less horrible is an improvement. In plain old reality, it's still horrible.

05FLHT
July 5, 2011, 02:48 PM
I smell a rat. Somewhere lying in their murky anti minds is a plan.

This ^^^^

This move by Rahm and the City Council would moot the SAF suit Ezell v. Chicago prior to Chicago getting their 'behinds' handed to them by the 7th Circuit. Chicago is trying to avoid paying anymore to Gura in legal fees.

JColdIron
July 5, 2011, 04:15 PM
You have to wonder when the other shoe is going to drop, and what it will be. I hate to be cynical, but we are talking about Chicago.

Well, the sign in sheet at the range would make for a nice defacto registration list...

Neverwinter
July 6, 2011, 02:50 AM
Well, the sign in sheet at the range would make for a nice defacto registration list...
There already is a registration list. It's called the FOID card. As for non-residents, who would go to a range in Chicago if it could be avoided?

Davey Wavey
July 6, 2011, 04:48 AM
FOID card isn't registration. It isn't an indicator of firearm ownership at all.

According to Gura's twitter stream this new ordinance isn't stopping Ezell vs. Chicago.

onfloat
July 6, 2011, 05:56 AM
This move by Rahm and the City Council would moot the SAF suit Ezell v. Chicago prior to Chicago getting their 'behinds' handed to them by the 7th Circuit. Chicago is trying to avoid paying anymore to Gura in legal fees.


This^^^^


http://www.suntimes.com/news/6358572-418/city-council-panel-oks-gun-range-ordinance.html

If the city waits for the ban on gun ranges to be overturned, it would be in the unenviable position of having the court dictate an ordinance that could be far less restrictive.

05FLHT
July 6, 2011, 09:38 AM
A Tweet from Gura says this move by Rahm and the City Council won't be enough to moot Ezell.

@GuraPossLaw
Gura & Possessky
Chicago's revised range ban should not end Ezell case. "No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney."
13 hours ago via web

http://twitter.com/#!/GuraPossLaw/status/88378608711774208

Let's hope the 7th Circuit sees past the BS and issues a quick ruling on the matter.

mg.mikael
July 6, 2011, 01:50 PM
Already heard of some of the restrictions on these ranges in Chicago....:barf:

"Chicago ranges would be confined to areas zoned for manufacturing, but thatís only the baseline. Gun ranges would also be prohibited within 1,000 feet of a school, park, place of worship, day care center, liquor store, library, museum, hospital or residential district.

The mayorís ordinance also mandates that Chicago gun ranges be enclosed and mandates the type of construction. They could operate, only between the hours of 9 a.m. and 8 p.m."

More about it here: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/6358572-417/city-council-panel-oks-gun-range-ordinance.html

Librarian
July 6, 2011, 03:24 PM
7th Circuit ruled this morning. District reversed, ordered to issue the injunction.

http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/9C0NWF4M.pdf

05FLHT
July 6, 2011, 04:21 PM
Chicago got smacked down, hard.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Texshooter
July 6, 2011, 04:53 PM
WHOOOOOOO in their right mind would open a business inside the city limits of Chicago, much less a firearms related business?

mg.mikael
July 6, 2011, 05:22 PM
WHOOOOOOO in their right mind would open a business inside the city limits of Chicago, much less a firearms related business?

So your saying they shouldn't open up gun ranges nor one day (hopefully in the near future) gun stores?

Scimmia
July 6, 2011, 05:22 PM
Remember, this is just a temporary injunction, there's still a very long way to go. All it really means is the city can't enforce this law while the challenge is still going through the courts.

Safetychain
July 6, 2011, 11:23 PM
Yes, the court beat the mayor to it this morning. This is covered well by Dave Workman in his Examiner column: http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/breaking-bellevue-v-chicago-saf-wins-injunction-v-gun-range-ban

vito
July 7, 2011, 09:23 AM
Maybe Rahm thinks that gun ranges are the perfect place for a gun exchange program. You come to the range to shoot, the PD take your gun and give you a citation in return for illegal transport. The city sells the gun and also gets your payment for the citation. Win/win for Chicago!

W L Johnson
July 7, 2011, 11:12 AM
Maybe they're going to use the roach motel model, you know, roaches check in but they don't check out. Now, just replace the word roach with gun.

Standing Wolf
July 7, 2011, 02:41 PM
In her majority opinion, Judge Sykes wrote, ďItís hard to imagine anyone suggesting that Chicago may prohibit the exercise of a free-speech or religious-liberty right within its borders on the rationale that those rights may be freely enjoyed in the suburbs. That sort of argument should be no less unimaginable in the Second Amendment context.Ē

Thanks, Judge! That's well said!

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