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kimh
July 4, 2011, 01:19 PM
I have a triple barrel shotgun made by my great-grandfather who worked at the Three Barrel Gun Company....Moundsville WV...anyone else have any guns made there?

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Justin
July 4, 2011, 01:32 PM
I had no idea that there even was a company in the US that made such a firearm.

Is there any chance you could shoot some photos and post them here, I'm sure I'm not the only person who'd be interested in seeing what a triple barreled shotgun would look like.

kimh
July 4, 2011, 02:00 PM
My husband corrected in and said it's not a 'triple barrel' but it's a drilling. Sorry about that and I'll see what I can do about posting pictures.

oneounceload
July 4, 2011, 02:19 PM
Justin, Peter Hofer builds 2,3,4,5 barrel firearms, including shotguns - excellent work

http://www.hoferwaffen.com/hofer_52s.php?id=35&lang=en

Dave McCracken
July 4, 2011, 03:55 PM
IIRC, both Baker and Hunter Arms (LC Smith) made some SxSxS shotguns, vs drillings with at least one rifle barrel.

The Three Barrel Gun Co (With business connections to Baker and Ithaca) was pretty much out of business when reliable repeaters became popular.

Please post Pics of your shotgun. Thanks....

Capstick1
July 4, 2011, 05:36 PM
That must have been a nightmare designing the trigger mechanism for the three barrel guns. I imagine getting all three barrels regulated to hit the same point of aim was also a cumbersome job as well.

Jim Watson
July 4, 2011, 06:03 PM
The Three Barrel Gun Company only operated as such from 1905-1910.
Their guns were what a German would call a drilling, two shot barrels over one rifle barrel. There is a typical one on a sale site 12 ga x 12 ga x .32-40.

A family connection to the company is very nice.

Snow Dog
July 4, 2011, 07:21 PM
Anyone remember the old spagetti western movie "The Stranger"? The hero in that movie used a four barrel shotgun. It was basically a double barrel shotgun with two extra barrels underneath that he rotated by hand after the top barrels were fired. I always found that gun fascinating but I expect the pump-action quickly relegated the type to movie prop status only.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/robs42mb/stranger2_12.jpg

DM~
July 5, 2011, 10:17 AM
My Krieghoff drilling has been my "go to" gun for over 25 years now,

http://www.fototime.com/F8BC345CD766244/orig.jpg

I've harvested everything from moose and bear on down with it,

http://www.fototime.com/35A1F5A52508463/orig.jpg

It's been the most perfect hunting gun i've ever held or used,

http://www.fototime.com/290DCFD1D04F451/orig.jpg

And at 7 pounds, it's a joy to carry and hunt with, doing everything i need a hunting gun to do!

DM

SeekHer
July 5, 2011, 12:37 PM
The five barrel guns are called funflings--funf means five in German

The four barrel guns are called vierlings--vier means four in German.

The three barrel guns are called dreilings--drei means three in German.

Drillings, the anglicised version can be three barrels side by side i.e.0-0-0 or 2x1 0-0/0.

Please note that they can be all shotgun barrels, all rifle barrels, they can be all the same calibre or all different calibres and bores...I've seen one drei that had three different calibre rifle barrels and another vrie with four different calibre rifle barrels.

Most common drie are 2x the same over a single.

We have a 2x.303 over 16 bore as well as 2x16 bore over .303

The way they are configured is also how they are described in German.

Hambrush Arms barrel configuration (http://www.ferlachguns.com/)

A shotgun beside a rifle was normally called a Cape Gun and they aren't that common anymore...Two rifle barrels the same are the most common especially in O/U...three barrel jobs are the most common of combination guns...four barrel guns are still quite rare.

IIRC there are exactly six, five barrel jobs that were ever made and five were made by Peter Hofer and started at around 250,000 Euros or about $361,000 to 400,000 Euros or $578,000...I know one of his vierlings sold for $1 million.

I have never heard of or seen anything with more barrels in a hunting gun, not that there might not be some but I've never heard of or seen them.

oneounceload
July 5, 2011, 12:45 PM
DM - that's a Kreighoff?? The action style and cross bolt look like Merkel

What bore and cartridge and lengths is it to get it a 7#? Most I have held and seen were closer to 8 and were typically 16x16xone of the 8 or 9mm's

Thanks

DM~
July 5, 2011, 06:27 PM
Yes it's a Krieghoff, and it's a 16-16 8x57jrs, 24" bbls. I also had a Krieghoff 16-16 30-06 that was just under 7 pounds...

Here's some German names for bbl configurations,

http://www.fototime.com/1A6FF2AD3D36328/orig.jpg

DM

cleardiddion
July 5, 2011, 06:32 PM
This is just fascinating, gonna have to keep tabs on this thread.

oneounceload
July 5, 2011, 08:02 PM
clear - here's a site that shows possible bqrrel configurations from Peter Hofer in Austria:

http://www.hoferwaffen.com/hofer_52.php?lang=en

Just about anything is possible, from a SxS with a hidden third small bore rifle barrel to combos of multiple cartridges and bores on a single frame

Always intrigued me the way they made it all work

cleardiddion
July 5, 2011, 08:19 PM
Thanks for the website!
Never seen anything like it and it certainly piqued my interest.
Now, only if I didn't have all of these silly things like loans and a girlfriend to worry about I'd get one! :p

oneounceload
July 5, 2011, 08:44 PM
There's a lot of them floating around that were made in the 20 and 30's, and unless you like them, most folks will pass - these can sometimes be had for a good deal at a gun show, especially where there are a lot of older folks from that era that are starting to pass on. The auction and sale sites (like Gunsinternational.com) will have listings

Of course, DM, I can't believe you had choke tubes installed....:eek:......next you'll say you want to get it ported!...... :D

Tom Held
July 6, 2011, 08:38 AM
The NRA's National Firearms Museum recently picked up a spectacular collection of guns (Peterson Collection) which includes a number of one of a kind multibarrel guns, all on display. Beautiful collection of outstanding firearms. Worth the visit.

DM~
July 6, 2011, 10:32 AM
Of course, DM, I can't believe you had choke tubes installed....:eek:......next you'll say you want to get it ported!...... :D

I wanted to have the BEST hunting weapon for ME that i could, and to have what i always wanted a hunting gun to be, i couldn't care less how much my drilling is/was worth, or if it pleases you or anyone else. "IF" i wanted to have it ported' i'd do that too...

I'll be useing it until i take my eternal dirt nap, and then the next owner can worry about my choises...

It has worked out VERY well for me, and that's what's most important to me,

http://www.fototime.com/FCA4029ABA44E24/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/71D5748CCA76B2C/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/39A469F568D04CF/orig.jpg

And with the Krieghoff 22WMR insert bbl installed,

http://www.fototime.com/2F1EDE966EE573A/orig.jpg

it's an excellent smaller game gun,

http://www.fototime.com/B146F5E48FD9CFD/orig.jpg

But lately, it's been my go to deer rifle,

http://www.fototime.com/6A7AF9900AFAA79/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/C8EA6F979F7FAAE/orig.jpg

Over the years, i've put tons and tons of meat in my freezer with my drilling, and thankfully it only has to make ME happy... :)

DM

oneounceload
July 6, 2011, 02:54 PM
Guessed you missed my big grin in my post

CWL
July 6, 2011, 04:27 PM
How about this Vierling! ;)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KdVX-jwg_LE/Te_FjnfRJpI/AAAAAAAAAjY/iY2X0L1OiAA/s1600/2554146660045362796S500x500Q85.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/birdie15/images/reg2.jpg

Hamilton Felix
July 6, 2011, 05:06 PM
OK, I'll bite: What movie is that from?

DM~
July 6, 2011, 06:29 PM
A friend of mine in Alaska has a Vierling, it's a Ferlach in 16-16 8x57jr and a 22 vierling bbl. just under the rib. It weighs 6-3/4 pounds! and is in excellent condition!! I'd love to have it! BUT, i'd want it to be JRS and 22WMR! :)

DM

Jim Watson
July 6, 2011, 06:51 PM
BUT, i'd want it to be JRS and 22WMR!

And that is one reason that, as 1oz says, a nice piece of workmanship may be had for a low price. Many, even most, older drillings and other European sporting rifles are in obscure calibers not easy to feed. There was one here used only as a shotgun because the owner had no clue as to what caliber the rifle barrel was. But he liked it anyhow because it had a left hand stock.

RX-178
July 6, 2011, 08:05 PM
That's from the Phantasm movie series BTW.

As I recall they pass up an entire wall full of pump action and semi auto shotguns to create that monster.

nortexeric
July 7, 2011, 08:12 AM
I actually would love to have a drilling gun due to their unique design and function. I can easily see why DM~ loves his for hunting. I may have to add one to my collection at some point if they can be had at a decent price.

I remember reading something a few years ago about the Germans issuing these rifles to air crews during WWII as part of a survival kit or something to that effect. Thought that was pretty interesting.

-Eric

Jim Watson
July 7, 2011, 08:18 AM
Oh, yeah, a Luftwaffe survival drilling is a real prize.
If you have one in the typical German overbuilt case, it is worth a lot of money.
You have to wonder what kind of game they thought they would be living off of in their area of operation. From what I can google, they were issued in North Africa from 1941 while they were still winning.

dannyr3_8
July 7, 2011, 09:48 AM
i had no idea these existed i'm blown away

dannyr3_8
July 7, 2011, 10:02 AM
wow

DM~
July 7, 2011, 10:12 AM
The Luftwaffe drillings were made by Sauer and were 12-12 9.3x74R. I've had chances to buy them, but they are just too heavy to me, to make a good hunting gun.

All 12ga drillings i've ever owned or handled were on the heavy side, and i prefer lighter guns...

DM

Pete D.
July 7, 2011, 10:23 AM
I just took a look at Peter Hofer's website.
Take a look at the image gallery for the "smallest double rifle".
Click on "more pictures."
http://www.hoferwaffen.com/hofer_52s.php?id=14&lang=en
The engraving on that gun.........all I can say is wow.
Pete

oneounceload
July 7, 2011, 01:20 PM
That's the Hummingbird - that is an amazing double rifle - and only weighing 2.2# total

Hofer, Ollendorf, and several other small shops in Austria produce some of the finest custom guns there are

nortexeric
July 7, 2011, 01:59 PM
9.3x74R is a heck of a round to be throwing at something. I mean, rough math/gu-estimation says that is around a .40 cal, right? I'd have to assume they weren't worried about firing at enemy troops with it, since I'd think you would think they would have just thrown in a few 98's in there if that was the case???

Nonetheless, I want one, just doubt I'll ever have the cash for one.

-Eric

Tom Held
July 7, 2011, 02:04 PM
http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/the-galleries/robert-e-petersen-gallery/purdey-boss/lancaster-four-barrel-shotgun-28-ga.aspx

The above is a link the the NRA Museum's Petersen Collection. This is a 4 barrel 28 gauge. There are a number of multibarrel shotguns and rifles in this collection. This must be the finest private collection of firearms ever owned by a single individual. The collection was donated to the NRA Firearms Museum last year. If you get a chance to visit you will find it amazing.

Tom

Dave McCracken
July 7, 2011, 03:50 PM
Eric, the 9.3X74 round is roughly analogous to the 35 Whelan.

A surprising number of German/Austrian Drillings were made in Winchester calibers, 30-30 and 25/35 especially. The shotgun parts were more often 16s than 12s.

rodensouth
July 7, 2011, 07:16 PM
DM, I love that Kriegoff, and it sure looks like it puts the lead right where your aiming judging by those nice does!

SeekHer
July 7, 2011, 07:44 PM
The Luftwaffe drillings were made by Sauer and were 12-12 9.3x74R. I've had chances to buy them, but they are just too heavy to me, to make a good hunting gun.

All 12 ga drillings i've ever owned or handled were on the heavy side, and i prefer lighter guns...

DM
The majority though were made in 16 bore...I find that drillings in 12 bore just not balanced properly to my tastes unless they have a very thin under barrel like 5.6x35R (.220 Hornet) or 5.6x52R (.22 Savage HiPower).

Some other very popular Western calibres were the .303 British and the .30 WCF (.30/30 Win) and .32 WCF (.32/40 Win)

Jim Watson -- They were for the air crews who were flying from North Africa to the far fjords of Norway and were designed to cover all types of animals in that territory from "Elg" in Norway to lions in Ethiopia and weren't really designed for pitched battles since they only came with two 10-round boxes of 9.3x74Rmm H-Mantel (Half Metal Jacket, i.e., Soft Point] rifle cartridges, 20 rounds of 12-gauge Brenneke solid slugs and 25 rounds of 12-gauge shotshells loaded with 3 1/2mm (#3 bird) in 2" husks...Says so right on the interior box label.

9.3 = .36614 and in many African counties it will be allowed to be used on Cape buffalo etc. where they have the .375 H&H Mag minimum regulation...9.3x62mm would be equivalent to a .35 Whelen while the 9.3x64mm is a heavier charge yet brought out to compete with the British .400/360 Nitro Express...The 9.3x74Rmm is the rimmed version for break action rifles and is equivalent to the 375 Flanged Nitro Express.

I have a c.1920s Ferlach 9.3x72Rmm single break action and a a c.1930s French made drilling over 16 bore that are quite decent for moose and black bear...My wife's favourite rifle is a between wars Belgium made 16x16 over a 7x57Rmm because it fits her like a custom gun and she's deadly with it on flying game.

Surprised that no one has posted Drilling Hotline (http://www.drillinghotline.com/index.shtml) yet.

Also a great info forum is Nitro Express (http://forums.nitroexpress.com/ubbthreads.php) -- Dealing primarily in double rifles and drillings in NE calibres.

Rollis R. Karvellis
July 7, 2011, 10:46 PM
Ironically a friend from high-school posted a couple of pictures of a nice example from the Three Barrel Gun co, on Facebook, the other day. Although it was marked Wheeling, not Moundsville.

waidmann
July 7, 2011, 10:46 PM
I am getting on late but the WV drillings were also marked Hollenbeck, the family name. Teddy Roosevelt suppossedly carried one off to his ranching adventure he describes it only as 16 bore over .40.

I also favor the 16 bore. In my case a Suhler Fortuna sporting a 7X65R. Unfortunately in TN we can not have mixed ammo in the field e.g. lead/steel or small game/large game.

kimh
July 8, 2011, 08:21 AM
Yes...the gun I have by my Great Grandfather is exactly like that one used by Teddy Roosevelt. Also, the Three Barrel Gun Company was at one time in Wheeling WV and also Moundsvile WV.

Collector0311
July 8, 2011, 12:45 PM
Love the look, style, and all around usefulness this gun has. Would love even more to own one. Where can one be had at a modest price? Are there any manufacturers to steer clear of? Any other do's/dont's when looking to purchase a dreiling?

oneounceload
July 8, 2011, 03:13 PM
You need to define "modest price" Quality guns like drillings, especially the older German/Austrian/Belgian guns were VERY well made. I have seen used ones for as little as a few thousand here:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Drilling-Combination-Guns.cfm?cat_id=290

Which I consider reasonable when talking about a quality SxS shotgun, let alone a drilling

DM~
July 8, 2011, 04:59 PM
The 9.3x74R is an excellent round and still very useful today, it is now loaded by Nosler and Hornandy among others.

These are factory Nosler loads,

http://www.fototime.com/D04F740A367040B/orig.jpg

It has very good penetration/killing power with only medium pressures, wish i would have had that combo (DR and 286NP's) when i was hunting brown bear regularly!

DM

RIATAC45
July 8, 2011, 10:39 PM
A gentleman I go to church with has a 12 x 12 x 7.57J that his father said came from one of Herman Goering's hunting lodges in Nazi Germany after WWII. He has no proof that Goering owned it other than his fathers word. Does anyone have any idea where to track information like that down?

waidmann
July 8, 2011, 11:03 PM
"There are enough nails of the true cross to shoe every horse in Saxony."
--Martin Luther

Jim Watson
July 8, 2011, 11:03 PM
You know a medium who channels Nazis?

Reliable records of that sort of stuff are hard to come by.

RIATAC45
July 9, 2011, 01:01 AM
Jim - That is what i told him, but i thought I'd ask anyway. It would make it worth a ton of money.

SeekHer
July 9, 2011, 08:11 AM
A gentleman I go to church with has a 12 x 12 x 7.57J that his father said came from one of Herman Goering's hunting lodges in Nazi Germany after WWII. He has no proof that Goering owned it other than his fathers word. Does anyone have any idea where to track information like that down?
That is very easy to check out--contact the maker, who's probably still in business and they'll check their records as to who bought it and when.

Just because it came from one of Goering's schuetzehaus doesn't mean it was his--all of his foresters (jaegers) would have owned a similar rifle that they would have left behind fleeing before the American forces.

nortexeric
July 9, 2011, 08:48 AM
The 9.3x74R is an excellent round and still very useful today, it is now loaded by Nosler and Hornandy among others.

These are factory Nosler loads,

http://www.fototime.com/D04F740A367040B/orig.jpg

It has very good penetration/killing power with only medium pressures, wish i would have had that combo (DR and 286NP's) when i was hunting brown bear regularly!

DM
DM - That is an absolutely beautiful rifle you have there. I'm afraid to ask whats the going price on one of those, but I already have a feeling I lack the funds to place one in my gun cabinet.

-Eric

Tom Held
July 11, 2011, 08:13 AM
If anyone is interested I have a friend who has 2 drillings for sale. I saw one this past weekend. It is a pre-WW2, German of course, 16x16x8mm, and is in very nice shape. Still has the original Zeiss scope. He's asking $1900 which I think is a very reasonable price. If anyone is seriously interested send me a note. Tom

SeekHer
July 11, 2011, 02:34 PM
Forgot to mention--FAMARS (http://www.famars.com/) has a four barrel shotgun in 28 bore and also in .410 gauge called the Rombo that is superbly balanced and a joy to shoot.

ironheadcr
August 26, 2011, 02:14 AM
As an old hillbilly from WV, I'd be interested in learning anything I can about a drilling made in Moundsville. Convicts make them? Just jokin.

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