Few Misc Rifle questions


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Whexican
January 18, 2004, 10:57 PM
C & R. Liscense how old do you have to be to get one.

Are all sks's avaliable under this liscense?

MOA means?

definition of Curios.?

all these 70 buck moison nagants are they in excellent condition like online retailers say. and how are they performance wise.

How long does it take to get a C&R and order from aim.?

For corrosive ammo. if you do clean with windex/soap and water. how possible is it for missing some and corroding your barrel.?

What is the all around best sks?

as for a moisn nagant. do you want a hex reciever or round?

thanks ik alot of that was noob. but i havent really researching enough so far

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Beetle Bailey
January 18, 2004, 11:43 PM
IINM, you can't get a Chinese SKS with the C&R license because they are still making them. Also, if the SKS has been permenately altered, it may have lost it's C&R status and therefore doesn't qualify.

MOA is "minute of angle" and in layman's terms means it can shoot 1 inch groups at 100 yards. 2 MOA means 2" @ 100 yards, 0.5 MOA means a half-inch groups @ 100 yards. MOA is mainly a common standard to describe the potential accuracy of a firearm.

There are a lot of excellent quality Mosin Nagants available right now. If you get one from a reputable dealer, it will be as advertised.

C&R licenses take anywhere from three weeks to four months, with no detectable pattern :( . Aimsurplus can probably ship it to you in a week after you place the order if they have your C&R on file.

For Mosin Nagants, generally speaking you would prefer a hex receiver especially if you are buying "sight-unseen" (i.e. online) because they are a earlier pre-war manufacture. Round recievers are easier and faster to make, which is normally not a bad thing, but a lot of round reciever rifles were made rather hastely (sp?) during the war and some of the machining was (understandably) rather sloppy in comparison to the older hex receiver rifles. When fellow countrymen and countrywomen are dying left and right, you need to make as many rifles as quickly as you can, and they don't have to be cosmetically perfect. That said, I just got a 1942 Tula round receiver that is very nice and not at all like some of the sloppy stuff I've seen, so not all round receivers are bad. What you want, in order of preferance, is #1 excellent bore, #2 excellent metal, and #3 excellent wood.

The quickest way to find info here is to use the search fuction for your question. There is a lot of good info available to you. HTH.

Ian
January 18, 2004, 11:46 PM
You have to be 21 for a C&R licence.

MOA means minute of angle, one of which is equal to 1/60 of a degree. It's commonly used as a measure of accuracy, because a 1 MOA cone at 100 yards is approximately one inch in diameter.

There's a specific list of curio & relic firearms published by the ATF. I don't have a link to it, though.

The cheapo Mosins I've seen generally have worn finish and somewhat beat up wood, but shoot decently well. I haven't seen (in person, that is) any that were advertised as 'excellent'. It's hard to make a bolt rifle stop functioning...

The British made special funnels for cleaning Enfields, so you could pour ample amounts of water right down the barrel. Doing that I expect it would be pretty unlikely that you'd miss any corrosive gunk. All in all, I don't think cleaning up after corrosive ammo is all that big of a deal.

IIRC, a hex receiver on a Mosin is an older design, made up to the 1910s (?), when they started making them rounded instead. Either should shoot fine, but I expect the hex ones are more collectible (and may sometimes qualify as pre-1898 non-guns).

Jim K
January 19, 2004, 12:10 AM
Any firearm made over 50 years from the current date is a "Curio and Relic", plus there is a short list of newer firearms which BATFE has determined to be unlikelly to be used in crime and declared to be "Curios and Relics." See www.atf.treas.gov for more info.

Before ordering under a Collectors FFL (C&R License), always check state and local law, especially when ordering handguns. Some states don't recognize the Collectors FFL and you could be in violation of the law by bypassing a licensed dealer.

Jim

Okiecruffler
January 19, 2004, 06:32 AM
Good info so far so I'll just hit a few quick points.

You're more likely to miss something in the bolt than in the barrel and get corrosion. Pay special attention to the firing pin hole. It only takes a few seconds to take the bolt completely apart, and it's probably worth the time.

Hex or round recievers? You want both, in several flavors. Clear out a closet, they'll need a place to stay and they multiply like rabbits.

I've seen a couple of "excellent" MN's. All I can say is they aren't using NRA grading. They are nice looking, but for the most part arsenal refinished. The blueing isn't always even, Ofen you'll find some arsenal repairs on the stock. Give me an old battle scarred war hourse any day.

Dave Markowitz
January 19, 2004, 09:06 AM
IIRC, a hex receiver on a Mosin is an older design, made up to the 1910s (?), when they started making them rounded instead. Either should shoot fine, but I expect the hex ones are more collectible (and may sometimes qualify as pre-1898 non-guns).

The Soviets stopped making the octagonal (AKA "hex") receivers in the early 1930s, after they adopted the M1891/30. The first 91/30s have the hex receivers, but they switched to the rounded receivers because they are easier to make.

Ian is correct that a hex receiver may be pre-1898, and thus an "antique" under federal law. However, Mosin-Nagants have the date of manufacture stamped on the bottom of the receiver tang. You need to remove the barrelled action from the stock to see it. The date you see on the barrel is the date the barrel was made. Because of the hidden receiver date, a lot of Mosins with pre-98 receivers are not sold as antiques. Dealers don't bother to check, so they get sold like a modern firearm, Form 4473 and all.

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