here what the email that arrived with the picture said:
PA game commission officer confirmed that this was indeed a coyote.
It weighed 115 pounds, was a female and was shot near Friendsville
PA."
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Lancel
January 19, 2004, 02:59 AM
I'll be the first to use these> :eek::what::eek:
Not a challenge but an information request:
So what's the verifiable proof that's it's really not Rin-tin-tin or a cross breed laying beside that deer? Did the game warden put it in writing?
Larry
Harry Tuttle
January 19, 2004, 08:17 AM
Heck, i want proof that photoshop was not utilized in the image
(the drop shadow on "Rover" looks a tad denser than "Bambi's"
Kharn
January 19, 2004, 08:37 AM
Coydog?
Wiley looks like he was asking for a .308 rather than a .223, I'd rather over-kill something the size of a deer with teeth and a bad attitude. Can you use semiautos for varmint hunting in PA? I know you cant use them for deer hunting.
Kharn
Rupestris
January 19, 2004, 09:00 AM
I'm going to agree with lancel. I'd bet that dogs mother had a one night stand with a stray Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute or other domestic large breed.
I'd have probably not shot it thinking that it was either a domestic dog or a wolf. Theres an abundance of 'yotes here in SE Mich but nothing that big. (If there are, I havent seen or heard of one yet)
redneck
January 19, 2004, 09:37 AM
I'm no expert by any means but I think its at least a half breed. Has a head like a coyote but the body is more like a husky or something. All the coyotes I've seen had alot longer legs in comparison to the length of their body.
Double Naught Spy
January 19, 2004, 10:43 AM
First of all, the angle of the shot ruins is realistic or actualistic comparisons. The snow in the foreground also helps to distort the perspective on the image. For example, when have you recently seen a deer with legs shorter than the body is tall? That is what is shown in this perspective, as on the canid too.
Crossbreads are not uncommon within the canids and calling any randon wild looking canid a 'coyote' is a sort of default category for a lot of folks.
The coyote gets up to about 70-80 lbs max, usually. That is not to say there won't be wild variations once in a while as they may be as small as 25-30 lbs. 115 lbs seems fairly extreme, but given the animal often cross breeds with others, short of a DNA test, the PA game commission can't positivily say anything.
mete
January 19, 2004, 11:29 AM
The PA Game Commision does positively say that there are no mountain lions in PA !! Of course I've talked to reliable people who have seen them. The same situation is true in NY.
dakotasin
January 19, 2004, 01:11 PM
this has been all over the net a few times... the origins of the coyote have been: pa, texas, missouri, michigan, and minnesota.
anyway, it is a fake.
5ptdeerhunter
January 19, 2004, 05:15 PM
It's a fake and you all know it. Don't try and convince yourself that it's real.
Atticus
January 19, 2004, 05:55 PM
While deer hunting this year, I sat right next to a coyote for about an hour. It was pouring down rain and neither of us was aware of the other (I think)...till I stood up and walked next to the fallen tree he was under. When he jumped out, I at first thought he was a small deer - then saw the tail and realized he was a BIG coyote.
I knew they were around here, but I was suprised at the size (and stink) of this one. He was as large as any shepard I've seen. Anyway...he dove back under the tree and ran through the underbrush before I could recover enough of my senses to shoot him. Good lord did he stink. He wasn't fat like in the posted pic (faked or not), but he was not skinny at all.
goodranger
January 19, 2004, 05:56 PM
By the looks of the feet,and if the picture is genuine, that is an immature timberwolf.
Tactical
January 20, 2004, 05:26 PM
either that is a huge wolf of thats a small buck
litman252
January 21, 2004, 12:10 AM
here is a pic that goes with it, I found it on a diffrent forum.
http://www.gunpix.com/gallery/Miscellaneous_and_Oddities/coyote&buck2.jpg
What it is I don't know, but if the pic is fake, The faker works for NASA:D
M Jager
January 25, 2004, 07:57 PM
hmm...I trapped wolves as part of a research project last summer in NorthEast M.N. The biggested weighed 90 pounds. 115 would be huge for a wolf in the lower 48. So I am thinking a 115 pound coyote is totally impossible in the wild. My buddy shot a 52 pounds coyote last year and it was a monster. Most of the ones we shoot here in Iowa go 30-40 pounds.
Gonna have to get out my camera and photo shop program so I can show off pictures of 59 pound man eating prarrie dog I got last summer.
Matt
HABU
January 25, 2004, 11:41 PM
I've seen enough coyotes to say that this does not look like 100% coyote to me. Looks to have something else in there also, notwithstanding the size.
Ol' Badger
January 27, 2004, 09:21 AM
:confused:
Art Eatman
January 27, 2004, 09:43 AM
The shape of the skull is sure coyote-y. The weight makes me think it's a crossbreed. (I saw one crossbreed, one time, and it was up around 80 or so pounds.)
Down south, the coyotes I've seen were more reddish-brown. FWIW.
Been too many years since I saw a wolf, so that's sorta out of my realm...
Art
Newt
January 27, 2004, 10:58 AM
I've seen my fair share of Bushy-Tailed Wiley's too, but I'm no expert. I'd have to agree with the majority here. That thing has something else bred into it. I shot the biggest one I've ever shot this year and he was only around 45-50 lbs. Redneck said it right when he said their legs are usually longer and skinnier compared to the depth and length of their body. Also, the coat is awfully full and healthy in the pics on this one. Not that coyote's coat isn't, but I've never seen one that full. Whatever he is, he sure is a healthy bugger!
H&Hhunter
January 27, 2004, 11:32 AM
Well I can tell you this..
I have a friend who's been shooting/trapping coyotes for well over ten years for the state of NM. And has kept logs. The largest coyte in several thousand killed is around 50lbs.
I'd say that thatb is either a fake or a wolf hybreed. In any case when hunting deer in PA use enough gun........;)
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