President Intends Executive Action in Wake of Giffords Shooting


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cbrgator
July 8, 2011, 02:37 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/08/politics/main20077845.shtml

Spokesman Jay Carney said that the new steps would be made public "in the near future." He didn't offer details, but people involved in talks at the Justice Department to craft the new measures said they expected to see something in the next several weeks. Whatever is proposed is not expected to involve legislation or take on major issues, like banning assault weapons, but could include executive action to strengthen the background check system or other steps.

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armoredman
July 8, 2011, 03:03 PM
last sentance bears watching...
...said the director of the mayors' group, Mark Glaze. "That said, there are many steps the president can take on his own authority, without new laws, that could make a very real difference."
Emphasis added.

DoubleTapDrew
July 8, 2011, 03:14 PM
If he wants a snowball's chance at a second term he'll keep his executive stick far away from the 2nd Amendment.

AlexanderA
July 8, 2011, 03:21 PM
Nothing will come of this. It's all empty political posturing (which seems to be a pattern with this president). People really have stopped listening to anything he says.

jfrey
July 8, 2011, 03:30 PM
"People have stopped listening to anything he says"? I never started! More smoke and mirrors to apeeze the libs.

4v50 Gary
July 8, 2011, 03:40 PM
The Constitution melts away not only at the hands of Congress but also by Executive Order. When are people going to wake up?

Pfletch83
July 8, 2011, 04:01 PM
How about if he does anything to our 2A rights we rush the white house and run him out of Washington on a rail.

sound good?

heeler
July 8, 2011, 04:15 PM
Remember...Even a perceived threat against the POTUS can have trouble soon coming your way.

Justin
July 8, 2011, 04:23 PM
How about if he does anything to our 2A rights we rush the white house,tar and feather him then run him out of Washington on a rail.

sound good?

Sure. Yeah. Good luck with that. http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29698&d=1128794076

In the meantime, the adults will be formulating a response based on actual policy decisions, instead of making useless posts on the internet.

blakeci
July 8, 2011, 04:26 PM
I wouldn't call it empty political posturing, he has already proven that he isn't opposed to issuing executive orders to bypass congress. He seems to like to issue them when some other big news story is happening, so nobody notices.

Sam1911
July 8, 2011, 04:29 PM
In the meantime, the adults will be formulating a response based on actual policy decisions

When, and if, any ever do materialize. So far, it's just music for the choir.

In the meantime, we run around playing, "Obama's gonna ban guns -- see, I told you so!" Stress and bile without a focus or a goal.

Pfletch83
July 8, 2011, 04:37 PM
I have to ask everybody something....

What's worse running Obama out on a rail?

or
The deaths of U.S. police,citizens,and Mexican police and citizens because of the current adminstrations actions?

heeler
July 8, 2011, 04:40 PM
My choice will be to use the voting booth as well as millions of others and fire him.

Pfletch83
July 8, 2011, 04:41 PM
Good point

Yo Mama
July 8, 2011, 04:42 PM
From the article: the White House is preparing to propose some new steps on gun safety, though they're likely to fall short of the bold measures activists would like to see.


Short? Much like everything else Obama has set out to accomplish.

Spokesman Jay Carney said that the new steps would be made public "in the near future." He didn't offer details

Because there is no viable plan in place, nor will there be. If you have a developed plan you discuss it, not hide behind I'll get back to you.

but could include executive action to strengthen the background check system or other steps.



This is the dangerous part. We've discussed prohibited possessors, and I have a feeling the mental health community is about to get involved. Also as discussed past drug use within 5 years will more than likely be a target.

"The president directed the attorney general to form working groups with key stakeholders to identify common-sense measures that would improve American safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights,"

These statements conflict.

The group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, headed by Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, sent Mr. Obama a letter calling him to act.



The same group that lost major support from 73 Mayors once they found out the BS that Bloomber was trying to pull?

LawScholar
July 8, 2011, 04:45 PM
I have to ask everybody something....

What's worse running Obama out on a rail?

or
The deaths of U.S. police,citizens,and Mexican police and citizens because of the current adminstrations actions?

Your post was not criticized because the other posters want Obama to remain in office, but because it was directionless posturing instead of activism which includes actions, a goal, and a plan of action. "Run out on a rail" or "tar and feather" are useless phrases, the left might find a way to even make them sound borderline threatening. Simply "Vote in 2012 to remove Obama from office" is a more constructive, adult way of phrasing your sentiment, which I would guess 99.5% of the forum agrees with.

ConstitutionCowboy
July 8, 2011, 04:45 PM
Is my post inappropriate? My apologies if it is...

I think it's timely and pertinent.

Oh, yeah, don't look at this as "mission creep". It's a "creeping mission." That's what progressivism is.

Woody

There is a current wave of freedom being expressed in this great country of ours. We can join that wave in the political arena now or be forced to join it on the battlefield later. B.E. Wood

Pfletch83
July 8, 2011, 05:08 PM
That's why I said it was a good point to vote him out instead.

(my frustrations got the better of me guys and gals I would like to offer an apology)





The whole issue of the ATF selling the cartels weapons makes me more than a little sick to my stomach to say the least.

heeler
July 8, 2011, 05:25 PM
We all more than understand the frustration fletch but this is a firearms forum that does get visted by others that dont have our best intrest in their hearts and minds.

Bigdog57
July 8, 2011, 05:46 PM
While I wish the pretender a long life (in abject poverty with all America despising his very name), I do intend to try talking as many friends, family and co-workers as possible into voting him out of the Big Chair. Gather facts and truth, and present your case to your folks..... we CAN take back this nation, if we ALL come together.

JustinJ
July 8, 2011, 05:52 PM
Since politics are suddenly allowed apparently i'll respond to this comment:

"I wouldn't call it empty political posturing, he has already proven that he isn't opposed to issuing executive orders to bypass congress. He seems to like to issue them when some other big news story is happening, so nobody notices."

His predecessor took executive order abuse to an unprecedented level.

cbrgator
July 8, 2011, 05:58 PM
As the OP, I forgot to post the following, which completely corroborates this executive order strategy:

Obama Administration Eyeing Gun Control 'Under the Radar,' Groups Warn
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/28/obama-administration-eyeing-gun-control-radar-groups-warn/

Seems like the executive orders we are discussing might be what he mean by "under the radar."

azmjs
July 8, 2011, 06:06 PM
The Constitution melts away not only at the hands of Congress but also by Executive Order. When are people going to wake up?

Not true, executive orders are subject to constitutional scrutiny and can be struck down by the Supreme Court.

azmjs
July 8, 2011, 06:13 PM
I have to ask everybody something....

What's worse running Obama out on a rail?

or
The deaths of U.S. police,citizens,and Mexican police and citizens because of the current adminstrations actions?

The Republic is far, far more important than the lives of some US police, citizens and Mexican police and citizens.

And those lives are very important.

Strykervet
July 8, 2011, 06:20 PM
Voting him out is fine, but someone "real" is going to have to step up. Right now it looks like the clownshow it always turns out to be.

So far Obama has been okay, compared to Clinton. I can carry in parks now under Obama; under Clinton I had to pay $100+ for Glock magazines and use stupid thumbhole stocks. Under Clinton, a lot of people got turned into felons for cosmetic features on weapons they bought unaware the serial number was "post ban" and not "pre ban".

So far Obama has been okay. But if he gets re-elected... Well then it is all about "legacy" instead of "re-election". Things can and will change. He can't get re-elected if he pulls a Clintion gun ban. He can pull a Clinton gun ban if he thinks that goes well with his legacy. He's known to chum with the anti's, so this may be his long term goal. If the dems get the house back, and right now they stand a chance because the repubs are helping them more than anyone else can, then this could be a real thing.

Best thing, really, is to keep them divided. If we have a repub pres., we need a dem congress, vice versa, etc. Because 2A isn't the only thing at stake here... We have to play them better than they play us, and voting out the turds as well as the suspects is the only way to do it. Right now they are divided on the economy thing. If we had a repub pres., they'd gut SS, medicaid, cut taxes on the rich, etc., but if we had a dem congress, they'd ban everything they could and run up the debt higher than it is. Right now, they are divided and are trying to butt heads, they are running towards a cliff with our livelihoods at stake and both are playing chicken, but at some point and hopefully before the whole thing collapses, they will come to a sensible compromise. Which is why they should be divided. That is part of how our democracy works and was intended this way by the founding fellows.

Right now, unless some better candidates come foward, I still have to go with Obama and a divided house. We need a real shiner that speaks truth and follows through in the first term in order to deserve the house and senate at his or her disposal. I think Obama has been better than Bush, but he isn't "the one" and frankly, a second term bothers me, at least as much as the uncertainty of any of the other possible candidates.

cbrgator
July 8, 2011, 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by 4v50 Gary
The Constitution melts away not only at the hands of Congress but also by Executive Order. When are people going to wake up?
Originally Posted by azmjs
Not true, executive orders are subject to constitutional scrutiny and can be struck down by the Supreme Court.

azmjs,

So can Congressional legislation. What's your point?

azmjs
July 8, 2011, 06:28 PM
azmjs,

So can Congressional legislation. What's your point?

That it does not therefore cause the constitution to "melt away."

Unconstitutional legislation, just like unconstitutional executive orders, is declared to be so by the courts and struck down.

Prince Yamato
July 8, 2011, 06:49 PM
Can we figure out what these constitutionally imbecilic folks are planning instead of just guessing and saying how much we hate them?

Twmaster
July 8, 2011, 07:11 PM
Oh, yeah, don't look at this as "mission creep". It's a "creeping mission." That's what progressivism is.

Sounds more like a 'creepy mission' to me.

Art Eatman
July 8, 2011, 07:35 PM
Okay, enough venting for one day. When we have factual information about specifics, we'll likely have something for real discussion...

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