Thoughts on these 2 tumblers


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Bayou1535
July 9, 2011, 11:32 PM
I was at Bass Pro today and was looking at tumblers and came home and did some online looking also between the Lyman Pro Magnum 2500 with and with and without the autoflo and the one by Grafs (Berry's). The Grafs sais it's a 4 quart that will hold 1,000 9mm but that has to be all cases and no media since the bowl appears to be like the smaller tumblers at Bass Pro. The Lyman 2500 sais 1,000 38's but looks larger than the grafs. Any clue on these two.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/5395
can get for 42.99

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/10459
can get for 62.99

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bds
July 10, 2011, 01:32 AM
I have the Cabela's 400 green vibratory tumbler (same as Berry's 400) and the bowl size is 10.5" wide and 3.5" deep. It will hold 1000 9mm cases and media.

Here are other caliber capacities:

.38 Spl - 650
45acp - 600
.223 - 450
30-06 - 250

ArchAngelCD
July 10, 2011, 03:33 AM
The Graf tumbler looks just like the Berry's 400 and Cabela's 400 tumbler. It's probably also made by Berry's and if it is it's an outstanding tumbler. It's powerful and it's quieter than most. The Cabela's Model 400 (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Model-400-Case-Tumbler/731767.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dtumbler%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=tumbler&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products) tumbler is slightly less money and I can personally recommend it... BUT, I'm betting the Graf's is the same exact model only in purple instead of green or blue.

Walkalong
July 10, 2011, 09:59 AM
I like them both, although my little one is a Berrys, and my Lyman is not the auto flow version.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=105213&d=1252759004

jcwit
July 10, 2011, 10:04 AM
Yup the Graff's sure looks like a Berry's tumbler. Mine is now 5/6 years old and has tumbled untold number of cases with no problems whats soever. I'd highly recommend it.

glockky
July 10, 2011, 10:21 AM
I have heard people say nothing but good things about the berrys tumblers

RustyFN
July 10, 2011, 05:02 PM
I have the Cabelas version. It's a great tumbler. It's quite and light weight.

animator
July 10, 2011, 10:25 PM
I have the Lyman with the autoflow.



The only thing I wish was different was a on/off switch and a clear lid. Other than that, it's been great.

ranger335v
July 10, 2011, 11:08 PM
I'm pretty sure Berry makes Cabela's tumbler. Berry/Cabelas are usually less costly than the 'big' names. Both Berry and Lyman motors have ball bearing motors and .25" motor shafts for long life. Some more expensive tumblers only have bronze sleeve bearings and .125" shafts.

It's easy to get and easy to install 'in-line' power switch from Lowes, H'Depot for about $4. I don't much care about clear lids, I usually don't put the lid on mine anyway.

I have found Lyman's "Auto-Flow" less effective than it appears. I use a simple (and cheap) office waste paper basket of expanded wire mesh as a 'sifter' to seperate media from cases - my 1/4" mesh wire basket cost me a buck from the local Dollar Store.

When we fill any tumbler tub 2/3 full of media and add a half tub of cases the level will typically rise to maybe 3/4 full.

Bayou1535
July 10, 2011, 11:25 PM
Thanks for the responses, I belive and it looks like the graf's tumbler is a berry's. It looks identical to Cabelas green tumbler, without discount they cost about the same. Just making sure before I order, I will be posting a order list soon to make sure that I'm not missing any necessities.

1SOW
July 10, 2011, 11:31 PM
The Cabellas works fine, has a clear lid and a shut-off switch in the cord.
PS: warranted for life.

StrutStopper
July 11, 2011, 12:51 AM
I just picked up the cabelas tumbler yesterday and used it for the first time tonight. If it keeps doing as well as it did today, I'll be happy. Last week I bought a smart reloader nano tumbler. It quit after 2 hours or so. No response from the company, but the vendor did send me a prepaid label to return it for a full refund.

1KPerDay
July 11, 2011, 11:38 AM
The lyman 2500 is great... holds a lot of brass, and is pretty quiet IMO with enough media in it. I don't have the auto-flo version; I've heard a couple of people say they don't like that or it gave them trouble or whatever. I sift mine manually.

ranger335v
July 11, 2011, 12:35 PM
"...I bought a smart reloader nano tumbler. It quit after 2 hours or so."

If it just STOPPED, it's probably a power wire broken off at the motor; easy fix.

Tom488
July 11, 2011, 01:18 PM
I don't have the auto-flo version; I've heard a couple of people say they don't like that or it gave them trouble or whatever.
I have the Auto-flo version, and I find it pretty much useless. It takes 5 minutes or so for it to empty, I have to babysit it while it's emptying so that I don't overflow the pan I'm emptying into, and the cases are still full of meda, necessitating a spin through the media separator anyway... so what's the point?

Bayou1535
July 11, 2011, 01:26 PM
I agree with the auto flo, was just curious if the lyman is worth 20 bucks more. I would think yes but due to size but I wonder if the bigger size is needed. I'm sure if I got the bigger size I would like it more but the graf's (berry) does 1,000 9mm and I would guess 400-500 223.

animator
July 11, 2011, 01:28 PM
I have the Auto-flo version, and I find it pretty much useless. It takes 5 minutes or so for it to empty, I have to babysit it while it's emptying so that I don't overflow the pan I'm emptying into, and the cases are still full of meda, necessitating a spin through the media separator anyway... so what's the point?
The quick solution is to find a larger pan.

1KPerDay
July 11, 2011, 01:50 PM
That doesn't solve the "cases are still full of media" issue.

1KPerDay
July 11, 2011, 01:52 PM
I agree with the auto flo, was just curious if the lyman is worth 20 bucks more. I would think yes but due to size but I wonder if the bigger size is needed.
If you find yourself shooting/reloading any volume at all, the larger size is welcome, IMO. I personally could do with a tumbler twice the size of the 2500, even. And I don't shoot all that much. I do like clean brass, though. :)

kimbernut
July 11, 2011, 02:34 PM
I can't compare the two but I can tell you my Lyman 2200 has been in use 13 years and has had no problems.

For a clear lid have a glass co. cut you a 1/4" plexiglass lid or cut your own with a sabersaw/ bandsaw and center drill your bolt hole. Has worked great.

rondog
July 11, 2011, 03:04 PM
I bought this Frankford Arsenal kit from Midway when I first got started. The tumbler was junk and died an early death, but that media separator works GREAT! I think you can buy it separately.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/ammo%20and%20reloading/unnamed.jpg

kutter
July 11, 2011, 08:27 PM
I have the Cabela's and have nothing but good things to say about it does everything it is supposed to do. Having said that, I am now looking at SS media and a rolling tumbler. The cases are so SHINY and completely clean and I never have to buy media again and did I mention, THEY ARE SO SHINY!! It's silly I know, they do not shoot any better, but man they look good.

StrutStopper
July 12, 2011, 12:25 AM
I know it has to be an issue with a connection opening up when the motor heats up and I could have fixed it, but there is a 2 year full warranty on the tumbler and I didn't even get a response from the manufacturer when I contacted them. Also, fixing it would have voided the warranty assuming I would ever be able to get an RMA number to fix a harder problem. I like the Cabelas unit I picked up a lot better anyway.

ArchAngelCD
July 12, 2011, 05:09 AM
I agree with the auto flo, was just curious if the lyman is worth 20 bucks more. I would think yes but due to size but I wonder if the bigger size is needed. I'm sure if I got the bigger size I would like it more but the graf's (berry) does 1,000 9mm and I would guess 400-500 223.
The Berry's, Cabela's and probably the Graf's tumbler will hold 1000/9mm, 600/45 Auto, 450/.223 and 250/30-06 cases. I have done 400 pieces of .223 in my Cabela's and there was more room if I needed it so they are giving accurate numbers on the sites.

I know for a fact the Cabela's is made for them by Berry's and the Graf's looks identical. I'm sure any of the 3 will serve you well.

rondog
July 12, 2011, 02:11 PM
I have the Cabela's and have nothing but good things to say about it does everything it is supposed to do. Having said that, I am now looking at SS media and a rolling tumbler. The cases are so SHINY and completely clean and I never have to buy media again and did I mention, THEY ARE SO SHINY!! It's silly I know, they do not shoot any better, but man they look good.

I hear ya there, I'd love to make the switch to SS myself! I likes my brass shiny. But the cost of the Thumlers Model B is holding me back, plus the fact I've never seen one and can't find 'em locally. I'd like to know how big they are.

jcwit
July 12, 2011, 03:45 PM
Rondog, check out the roller tumblers at Harbor Freight, they have one available for approx $40.00. If interested to a search under "rock polisher" on their site. The drum does seal water tight.

viking499
July 12, 2011, 03:48 PM
Both should be good.

I have a Lyman with the autoflow. It has run like a sewing machine ever since I have had it, which is only about 2 years so far............

mgmorden
July 12, 2011, 04:03 PM
If it just STOPPED, it's probably a power wire broken off at the motor; easy fix.

Just stopped as opposed to what other method of failure?

Reason I ask is that my old tumbler basically just stopped as well. It was a few years old so I didn't bother trying to fix it and just got a new one, but I did just chuck it under the bench rather than throw it away.

If wires breaking off like that is common I might try to resuscitate it :).

jcwit
July 12, 2011, 04:19 PM
If wires breaking off like that is common I might try to resuscitate it

Somewhat common as the wire gets metal fatigue from the viberations.

Bayou1535
July 26, 2011, 12:09 PM
In case anyone was curious the 400 tumbler from Grafs is a Berry's. The warranty card is Berry's and that where it gets sent back. Just purple instead of green or blue.

evan price
July 27, 2011, 03:34 AM
If you want the best deal on the Berry's/Graf's/Cabela's tumbler, look at EA Brown Co. they have the Berry's for $49 plus shipping.

http://www.eabco.com/Berry's_Brass_Tumblers.html

It's the best freaking deal I've ever found on what I believe to be the best tumbler out there.

I have two, they run nearly nonstop 24-hours a day, and they just keep going. They will hold easily 5# of brass and have room left over.

I typically load 5# of dirty brass and then extra media with NuFinish and dryer sheets. I find that when overloaded you get a matte finish on the brass that I don't prefer.

That's about 600 9mm, 500 40S&W, 500 38 Spl, 450 357 Mag, 400 45acp, 400 .223, or 200 30-cal rifle.
I wore out 4 bowls in ONE Midway 1292, and still on the same bowls on my Berrys.

Bayou1535
July 27, 2011, 01:01 PM
Evan, you can get them from Graf's for $42 with a dealer discount plus shipping.

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