Most accurate 30-06 factory rifle?


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Gary O
July 12, 2011, 09:57 AM
Most accurate 30-06 factory bolt gun rifle out of the box under $750?

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USSR
July 12, 2011, 10:10 AM
You're not likely to find a particular make and model in your quest. Good, exceptional, and not so good .30-06's are being turned out by the various manufacturers each and every day. It's an individual rifle thing, and you place your money down and take your chances.

Don

rule303
July 12, 2011, 10:53 AM
Lots of good rifles in that price range. IMO your best bet would be a Savage with the Accu-trigger. Out of the box rifles have come a long way as far as accuracy in the last few years, just about all of them should shoot MOA with the right loads.

SN13
July 12, 2011, 11:30 AM
Savage 111FCNS with the Accustock and Accutrigger. I have the gun in .270 and it is the most accurate rifle I've ever owned right out of the box. I use Hornady ammo in it and it is a BEAST!

Robert
July 12, 2011, 11:30 AM
Savage or a Tika T3 are your best bets.

GooseGestapo
July 12, 2011, 11:37 AM
My vote is going to go to the Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA.
At least you're getting a rifle that has been tested and verified to be sub-moa with at least one particluar load. The Howa's are essentially the same rifle with a different barrel source, bolt shroud, and trigger.

However, in that price range there are very many options to try.
The Winchester M70 Classic, and Browning X, as well as the Ruger Hawkeye will fit that price range. The CZ-550 should make the short list as well.

Like another poster stated, it's kind of a crap shoot as to what you actually get, except with the Weatherby or a Tikka. However, I can't come to actually like the Tikka's that much. Just a personal thing.

Ammunition is going to be a huge factor. Too much variety in .30/06 ammo to make a general statement.

Hunterdad
July 12, 2011, 04:13 PM
Marlin XL7. Great gun for the money.

viking499
July 12, 2011, 04:38 PM
Savage or a Tikka T3 are your best bets.

I will go with this option, although I do not own a Savage. But, it's hard to complain about all the positive comments out there.....

I am sure there are others........Weatherby, CZ, Winchester.........all those should be good. Just depends on your likes and the way the gun feels to you.......

ShortFatHokie
July 12, 2011, 05:14 PM
I own both a Savage 110 w/Accu-trigger and a Browning X-bolt in 30-06. Both had very good "hunting accuracy" out of the box. Price wise, Savage wins. Quality wise, Browning wins. Just a matter of what you like and how much you want to spend.

BrocLuno
July 12, 2011, 06:20 PM
Likely Tikka T3 Hunter in your price range. The T3 Lite may be a bit more sensitive to heat? In either case their base action was specifically designed around the 06 round :)

kludge
July 12, 2011, 06:30 PM
It's an individual rifle thing, and you place your money down and take your chances.

That pretty much that nails it in the price range you're looking at.

Pick the one you like the look/feel of the best. In that range I like the Savage and the Marlin, and I would probably lean toward the Marlin, just becuase the Savage is probably $150 more money and is no better a rifle than the Marlin.

If you want match accuracy and a heavy barrel I don't think that's going to be available in your price range.

USSR
July 12, 2011, 08:20 PM
If you want match accuracy and a heavy barrel I don't think that's going to be available in your price range.

Unfortunately, there are no factory-made, match accuracy, heavy barreled .30-06's being made. If you want such a rifle, as I did, you have to have it custom built.

Don
http://ussr.clarityconnect.com/Win06t1.jpg

ball3006
July 12, 2011, 10:16 PM
can you shoot well enough to take advantage of a really accurate rifle? I see it all the time at the club where guys show up with many dollars worth of rifle and cannot keep in on a paper plate at 100 yards.....You can fool yourself but the target doesn't lie........My most accurate rifle? A Mosin Nagant M39 with a scout scope. The rifle cost me 150 bucks about 8 years ago....It will shoot less than 1 inch groups when I do my part...chris3

I did not answer your question.......I have an out of the box Rem 700 BDL with a steel tube Weaver scope that will shoot 1 1/4 inch groups with Greek surplus 3006 ammo. I really have not developed a load because I don't particularily like this rifle....chris3

ms6852
July 12, 2011, 10:38 PM
Read this article, I tend to agree with the author.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/minute-of-angle-moa-accuracy-out-of-the-box/

Flatbush Harry
July 12, 2011, 11:11 PM
I have two .30-06 rifles: a Savage 116 FHSAK, that shoots 3 of my handloads with 46.5gr of IMR 4064 under a 168gr SMK into 0.6" at 100 yds and a Win M70 Extreme Weather that shoots 3 of my handloads with 43.0gr of IMR 4895 under a 168gr SMK into 3/8" at the same distance, both from a Caldwell Lead Sled. My Rem 700 SPS SS in .308 Win will put 3 of my handloads with 42.0gr of RL 15 under a 168gr SMK into 0.5" at 100 yds. All are bone stock with 3-9x Zeiss Conquest scopes in Leupy bases and rings.

I use either shooting sticks or a bipod in the field. I can't always count on me but I can always count on my rifles.

FH

TexasPatriot.308
July 12, 2011, 11:18 PM
Stevens 200 and build on it.

TXHORNS
July 12, 2011, 11:22 PM
Any new rifle for $750 should shoot pretty well but for my money give me a new FN M70 Featherweight.

Lakedaemonian
July 13, 2011, 01:18 AM
Tikka... they have a factory 1 MOA garuntee and are very capable of well under that.

Sav .250
July 13, 2011, 09:52 AM
The rifle alone can`t make up for a poor shooter. It takes two to Tango.........:)

rbernie
July 13, 2011, 09:57 AM
My Tikka T3 Lightweight Stainless is the most out-of-the-box accurate 30-06 that I've ever owned, when stacked up against the 77MkIIs, No1s, multiple Rem 700s, Savages, A-Bolt, and Mod 70 Classic that I've owned in 30-06.

Col. Plink
July 13, 2011, 11:19 AM
I had a Mossy 100ATR that was stupid accurate on the cold shot. $250 (and don't believe the nonsense about the bolts...)

LukeTheDrifter
July 13, 2011, 11:42 AM
I agree 1,000,000% with Ball3006. Even if you spent $3,000 on a rifle, it still won't magically put all the rounds through the same hole at 500 yards. A Savage, out of the box, will be far more accurate than the human shooting it. This applies to pretty much any rifle of even moderately high quality construction. I regularly out-shoot guys with their tactical scopes, bipods, etc, using Mausers and iron sights. Get something decent and get some quality time in shooting. Good luck!!

USSR
July 13, 2011, 12:56 PM
Even if you spent $3,000 on a rifle, it still won't magically put all the rounds through the same hole at 500 yards. A Savage, out of the box, will be far more accurate than the human shooting it.

Uh, isn't every rifle "far more accurate than the human shooting it"? How does a human take a rifle that is capable of 1.5MOA out of a machine rest, and by placing it in his less than rigid arms, turn it into a 1.0MOA rifle? Aside from that, I view the desire to have a rifle that is "capable" of high accuracy (even if the shooter is not), as somewhat akin to desiring to have a sports car capable of 170 mph, even if you have no intention to drive it that fast. That's the great thing about this country - the ability to have what you want and not having to apologize for it. Just MHO.

Don

kcshooter
July 13, 2011, 01:33 PM
I'll put in another vote for the Tikka. I am more than just a little impressed at the out of the box accuracy for an under $500 rifle. Better than my Remington or Savage.

SN13
July 13, 2011, 01:39 PM
I took my savage, right out of the box. Strapped a 6-18x42 Nikon Buckmaster on it, went to the range with .270 130gr SST Hornady Ammo, sighted the rifle in, shot 4 shots into one hole, adjusted a few clicks left, shot 2 shots into the X.
http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss116/SN13/DSC07888.jpg

I then, threw up a new target and shot 3 shots into another group (Dime in photo for size comparison)
http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss116/SN13/DSC07914.jpg

.243" center to center group.

That's how much I love my Savage ACCUSTOCK & ACCUTRIGGER - 111FCNS in .270.

natman
July 13, 2011, 01:52 PM
Uh, isn't every rifle "far more accurate than the human shooting it"? How does a human take a rifle that is capable of 1.5MOA out of a machine rest, and by placing it in his less than rigid arms, turn it into a 1.0MOA rifle?

If the rifle is capable of 1.5 MOA in a machine rest, and the human in question is capable of shooting less than 1.5 MOA with any other rifle, the the human is more accurate that the first rifle.

LukeTheDrifter
July 13, 2011, 01:55 PM
I certainly agree with the gist of your post but this part I don't. I've seen some rifles that just plain weren't accurate at all. My SKS was not more accurate than me. That was proven by the fact that after I got my trigger fixed the group size was cut in half. So obviously I was able to shoot smaller groups than that rifle was at least until I got it fixed.

I agree that I like having rifles capable of shooting very tight groups too even when they shoot better than I can. And I'd like to own a sports car capable of going 250 mph too (Buggatti Veyron - proven to go 253 mph) as long as someone else was buying the gas for it. :)
The new trigger in your SKS improved your ability to properly press the trigger. That is part of the human element, not the rifle's inherent accuracy. Different trigger lengths and weights can cause us to flinch or otherwise anticipate the breaking point. As far as the round exploding out of the end of the rifled barrel and where the round impacts, as controlled by the position of the barrel/muzzle before/during/after the firing process... The new trigger changed nothing about that, at least, as far as I can see. I'm totally ok with being wrong, however. :) I hope this makes sense.

mod60rimfire
July 13, 2011, 01:58 PM
Get an M1A and be a man :D

LukeTheDrifter
July 13, 2011, 01:58 PM
Uh, isn't every rifle "far more accurate than the human shooting it"? How does a human take a rifle that is capable of 1.5MOA out of a machine rest, and by placing it in his less than rigid arms, turn it into a 1.0MOA rifle? Aside from that, I view the desire to have a rifle that is "capable" of high accuracy (even if the shooter is not), as somewhat akin to desiring to have a sports car capable of 170 mph, even if you have no intention to drive it that fast. That's the great thing about this country - the ability to have what you want and not having to apologize for it. Just MHO.

Don
While I never said anything regarding machine rests or specific MOA, I completely agree with the greatness of our freedom that you mentioned!! :) Buy whatever the heck rifle makes you happy!!!

SeekHer
July 13, 2011, 02:14 PM
Take the list of all the rifle makers in the world, that make a model in XXX calibre and that will cost under $XXX stick the names in a hat and draw one...Congratulations you just found the most accurate or reliable or dependable or whatever out there.

There is NO SUCH THING AS BEST! There may be "better then" but not best.

Best how? Straight accuracy or does some aesthetics come into play? Are we talking BR accurate, sniper/tactical accurate--sorry, that's long range precision rifle not sniper or tactical or hunter's accurate? That's " MOA, .5" MOA or 1.5" to 2" MOA.

You also didn't specify an action type! Is that for bolt or lever or pump or drop action? If for a bolt is that single shot or magazine fed? Internal or under barrel or detachable magazine?

Straight cost new vs. new or new vs. used? If new vs. new is that MSRP or street price? Does a top of the line custom job from the 1950s that you can pick up for less money count?

Synthetic oe wood stock? If wood--laminate or natural? We won't get into the level or quality of the wood since I've seen walnut blanks go for $10,000+.

You see, each and every one of those things has a significant baring on the final cost.

Any of the makers' rifles out there will be just as good as the other ones whether they're from Howa, Weatherby Vanguard (same thing), Thompson Center, Savage, Browning, Winchester et al...The most important aspect is which fits you the best--LOP, DOH, DOT, cast and of course weight...Which comes up to your eyes with the sights centered or if a scope with it completely clear--that's the one you buy--regardless of whose name is on the barrel.

Less weight means easier to carry but less weight also means more recoil...More recoil means maybe a flinch developing which will really screw up the accuracy of the rifle.

Next you'll be asking what's the best $350 scope to mount on it...Well, at that price there is no best there is just barely adequate.

USSR
July 13, 2011, 02:51 PM
If the rifle is capable of 1.5 MOA in a machine rest, and the human in question is capable of shooting less than 1.5 MOA with any other rifle, the the human is more accurate that the first rifle.

That's great, but that's not what was implied. The exact quote was: "A Savage, out of the box, will be far more accurate than the human shooting it". The "it" at the end of the quote and my response to it, implies that it is the very same rifle, not some other rifle or the in-general shooting ability of the shooter. So, we are talking about the physical accuracy limitations of a particular rifle vs. taking those accuracy limitations and adding the human element in the form of a shooter of the same rifle. The very best shooters can wring out all that a particular rifle is capable of, but they simply cannot exceed what a rifle is mechanically capable of. That was my point.

Don

RP88
July 13, 2011, 03:27 PM
just about any rifle you have heard good things about will serve you well as far as accuracy goes, from my (limited) experience.

I will admit that the next thing I say is pure regurgitation, but: any quality bolt gun from the $200-800 range are mostly all made the same, apparently. I have seen people post almost identical groups from almost any gun you can find at Walmart or sportsman's outlet listed in this topic.

IMO, get a Stevens or any $300ish bolt gun with a good reputation and use the money to build on it, and grab a good (very, very good, if you use the rest of your budget) scope.

Sheepdog1968
July 13, 2011, 09:39 PM
Quote from SeekHer:
"There is NO SUCH THING AS BEST! There may be "better then" but not best. ... Any of the makers' rifles out there will be just as good as the other ones ..."


These are very wise words.

There is a book I read called Paradox Of Choice (kind of boring and repetive). The search for "the best" often makes us feel much less satisified no matter what we get. There is lots of data to back this up. We are much better off asking what is good or what is adequate.

After reading the book, it explained a lot of the frustration I had with things such as buying a new car. You would think getting a new car would be a fun experience. I hated the whole process until I finally decided what I wanted.

natman
July 14, 2011, 04:51 AM
Take the list of all the rifle makers in the world, that make a model in XXX calibre and that will cost under $XXX stick the names in a hat and draw one...Congratulations you just found the most accurate or reliable or dependable or whatever out there.

There is NO SUCH THING AS BEST! There may be "better then" but not best.

Best how? Straight accuracy or does some aesthetics come into play? .....You also didn't specify an action type! ......

The OP seems reasonably specific. To wit:

Most accurate 30-06 factory bolt gun rifle out of the box under $750?

SeekHer
July 14, 2011, 06:55 AM
The OP seems reasonably specific. To wit:
Maybe I should have put this <<Danger--sarcasm alert>> after the first paragraph.

Bolt action--single shot or magazine (S/S is usually more accurate--stiffer)? Internal magazine or detachable box? Internal magazine--hinged floor plate, fixed or none?

Is that $750 New or used? New is that MSRP or street? If used--does that include optics or not? How old will you go--1990s, 1970s, 1950s, 1930s? What condition will you accept? Rifle in fairly pristine condition or can beat up wood (scratches) and finish worn off be considered?

Would you take a really beat up cosmetically but still technically superior custom Dannier from the 1930s and 40s (today's equivalent price $30,000) using a M17 action with an all steel Weaver 3x Alaskan (c.1950s) scope for $350 less and with maybe ten hours worth of labour and $30 worth of sandpaper and tung oil to get it into great shape? I just found and finished one for my brother in .257 Roberts but using a P14 action.

The point I was making is that there is no such thing as The Best of Anything since there are so many unnamed variables and the parameters vary for each person...Is the Weatherby Vanguard a better rifle then the Huglu since the Vanguard is just a Huglu with a shinier stock? Is the CZ Ringneck SxS shotgun a better gun then the Huglu that it actually is just because it doesn't have the Huglu label on it?

The question is completely subjective and there can't be a correct answer!

I truly hate these types of questions--excluding the fact they have been covered ad nauseum they are inane, ambiguous and trite!

Lloyd Smale
July 14, 2011, 02:52 PM
ive got one of the cheap sps rem model 700s that will shoot 150 hornadys into a 1/2 to 3/4 inch not 3 shot but 5 shots at a 100 yards . Not bad for a 500 dollar gun. It shot so well that i fitted a take off cdl stock to it so it would look as good as it shot.

ms6852
July 15, 2011, 01:44 AM
Jeff I should have been more clear on what I agreed with the author, it is a sentence not the rifle. But basically he stated that "Not everyone is capable of shooting MOA, even with the most accurate rifle."

MAC USMC
July 15, 2011, 02:00 AM
I own several CZ rifles in various calibers and each is a tack driver. Some CZ rifles come with a "set" trigger which is fun at the range, but impractical for most hunting scenarios, in my opinion. These rifles amazed the American market due to the excellent accuracy and quality versus the price. Yes, I do own Winchester, Remington, Savage and one Weatherby. I love them all, but the CZ firearms line has earned first place on the hit parade.

I do not believe you can beat the CZ firearms for craftsmanship. I also own a .40 and .45 pistol made by them and out-shoot some folks with their Kimbers, etc. costing much more.

Frankly, I have always loved firearms and have owned a bunch. Been shooting for over 50 years and the quality of guns, ammo, scopes, etc. has NEVER been better than at the present time.

natman
July 15, 2011, 04:12 AM
Maybe I should have put this <<Danger--sarcasm alert>> after the first paragraph.

Bolt action--single shot or magazine (S/S is usually more accurate--stiffer)? Internal magazine or detachable box? Internal magazine--hinged floor plate, fixed or none?

Is that $750 New or used? New is that MSRP or street? If used--does that include optics or not? How old will you go--1990s, 1970s, 1950s, 1930s? What condition will you accept? Rifle in fairly pristine condition or can beat up wood (scratches) and finish worn off be considered?

Would you take a really beat up cosmetically but still technically superior custom Dannier from the 1930s and 40s (today's equivalent price $30,000) using a M17 action with an all steel Weaver 3x Alaskan (c.1950s) scope for $350 less and with maybe ten hours worth of labour and $30 worth of sandpaper and tung oil to get it into great shape? I just found and finished one for my brother in .257 Roberts but using a P14 action.

The point I was making is that there is no such thing as The Best of Anything since there are so many unnamed variables and the parameters vary for each person...Is the Weatherby Vanguard a better rifle then the Huglu since the Vanguard is just a Huglu with a shinier stock? Is the CZ Ringneck SxS shotgun a better gun then the Huglu that it actually is just because it doesn't have the Huglu label on it?

The question is completely subjective and there can't be a correct answer!

I truly hate these types of questions--excluding the fact they have been covered ad nauseum they are inane, ambiguous and trite!

Again, let's take a look at what the OP actually asked:

Most accurate 30-06 factory bolt gun rifle out of the box under $750?

Most accurate. Bolt action. Factory out of the box for under $750.

So it seems that OP's priorities are pretty clear. Accuracy in a bolt action is pretty explicit. I think one could reasonably infer that "factory out of the box" means new and that he intends to deal with the scope separately, although the last point is less clear.

As far as the other details that seem to be distracting you so much such as magazine type, Vanguard vs. Howa (not Huglu), stock finish, etc, I think it's fair to say that the OP doesn't care. He didn't ask for "best", he just wants a recommendation for an accurate bolt action 30-06.

I'd recommend a Tikka T3.

bailer
July 15, 2011, 01:28 PM
In my experience the Tikka is the most accurate "out of the box" My Superlite in 06 shoots well under 1" with factory ammo. It's very light weight, stainless/synthetic, and I expect I'll hunt with it a lot.

That said, it's a little boring buying a rifle and not having any reason to work up a load it likes, bed and/or float, trigger jobs, etc...

natman
July 15, 2011, 01:35 PM
In my experience the Tikka is the most accurate "out of the box" My Superlite in 06 shoots well under 1" with factory ammo. It's very light weight, stainless/synthetic, and I expect I'll hunt with it a lot.

That said, it's a little boring buying a rifle and not having any reason to work up a load it likes, bed and/or float, trigger jobs, etc...
That sounds like exactly what someone looking for an "accurate out-of-the-box factory rifle" is looking for.

ms6852
July 15, 2011, 10:30 PM
I own both the Savage 110 model C which is about 28 years old with an old bushmaster 3x9 , and the Tikka T3 lite stainless steel. Both rifles are 30-06. My Tikka I bought about 4 years ago. Both rifles are accurate and I have no preference as to which I use for hunting. If it is a day which is raining or drizzling I use the Tikka because it is stainless.

BTW I have never found out which rifle the deer preferred to be shot with , nonetheless they got shot.

JohnBT
July 15, 2011, 10:53 PM
"I truly hate these types of questions"

You certainly put a lot of time into answering them.


"Any of the makers' rifles out there will be just as good as the other ones"

That hasn't been my experience.

To answer the OP, I would start looking at Howa, Savage and Tikka. Then I'd probably go buy another Cooper or something else pefectly unnecessary, but solidly made and reasonably accurate.

Russ Jackson
July 18, 2011, 01:13 PM
I have a Remington 700 a Ruger M77 and my son has a Marlin XL7 in 30-06. The Xl7 is the most accurate. For $300 dollars you just can't beat it...Russ

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/RussJackson/xl7-2.jpg

Four_Speed
July 24, 2011, 12:10 AM
Buy three Stevens 200's. They're real shooters.

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