Sniper rifle - is my collection incomplete without one?


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dave3006
January 19, 2004, 04:29 PM
(I purposely used the term Sniper Rifle because I love to be politically incorrect.)

I have a few Garands, a couple Mini-14s, and an SKS or two. However, I have the feeling that my collection is somehow inadequate without a good heavy barrel, scoped bolt action rifle. I was thinking about a Remington 700 LTR with a Leupold M1 scope. This type of setup would be about $2300 complete. I love shooting semi auto rifles. I just don't know if I will like the bolt action enough to justify the capital outlay.

Any comments from those of you who have made the leap into the precision rifle realm?

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Balog
January 19, 2004, 04:33 PM
You could get a Savage 110 for significantly less. Might make it easier to justify.

Mulliga
January 19, 2004, 04:35 PM
I've heard Savage rifles are a great value. A Leupold scope is great, but I'd focus on getting the trigger/barrel/bedding just right. Optics can always come later.

Fed168
January 19, 2004, 04:54 PM
It never hurts to have a good precision bolt gun in your rifle battery. It'll give you another reason to shoot, and a different kind of shooting. You'll want to shrink groups or see how far you can make a shot, it's quite addictive.

4v50 Gary
January 19, 2004, 05:56 PM
If it's military, the Russian Moisin Nagant M91/30 w/PU scope is a bargain. They go for around $700.

Balog
January 19, 2004, 06:42 PM
I suppose a Finn M/39 would be an excellent military rifle choice.

Bainx
January 19, 2004, 07:47 PM
Think Enfield.

WalkerTexasRanger
January 19, 2004, 08:04 PM
I have your mentioned rig, a Rem LTR in .223 with a Leup 3.5-10x40 LR M1 scope. It is a nice setup!! Damn accurate and fun to shoot to boot. No, your collection will not be complete without it.....

artherd
January 19, 2004, 08:34 PM
Since you already have medium calibre semi-autos (the Garand does not shoot a small round!) You might consider a large caliber bolt-action for truely long-range work.

I'm still new to this stuff, but I know that .308 and .30-06 tend to go subsonic at around 1000yds, this is the transonic transition point, and IIRC it affects accuracy.

A Rem 700 (or Armalite AR-30 if you really want to go UN-PC! ) in .338 Lapua Magnum might be a lot of fun! (especially if you are yet able to comfortably shoot the Garand all day long.) and good to 1500 yds +

Redlg155
January 19, 2004, 08:35 PM
Want to be politically incorrect and love shooting semi autos...then build the AR15 sniper rig!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pb717130c819b44465f25fae6f8b29e37/fa9efa65.jpg

Bushy lower, RR 2 stage trigger, Armalite 24" SS Upper, Armalite 1pc scope mount. I've also added a Harris LRM Bipod since the pic. The scope is only a Leupold VXII..nothing fancy. So far I've got 1300 in her including the not pictured bipod. I just gotta get a "real" sniper scope to go with her. :D


I've got a shoot scheduled against a buddy of mine who just got a new Remington 700 PSS in .308. I suspect I'll win since he's a cheapo and will probably use WWII vintage ammo. :D

Good Shooting
Red

Kobun
January 19, 2004, 08:54 PM
Yep, everyone needs one. :)

Well, I can eighter sell you a Accuracy International AW, or you can order this one:

http://www.hdrifle.com/images/deputy_bobsfrontsmall.jpg

More pictures here (http://www.hdrifle.com/sprifle/new_page_16.htm)

And you find the prices and specs at H.D. Rifles (http://www.hdrifle.com/) look under SPROHD SWS.

Gewehr98
January 19, 2004, 08:56 PM
I've got a shoot scheduled against a buddy of mine who just got a new Remington 700 PSS in .308. I suspect I'll win since he's a cheapo and will probably use WWII vintage ammo.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but just how much WWII-vintage .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO is out there, and where do I find some? :scrutiny:

A 700PSS in .308 isn't a terribly bad addition to one's rifle collection, particularly from a precision rifle standpoint:


http://mauser98.com/700pss-3.jpg


And it's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying an original WWII 1903A4 sniper:



http://mauser98.com/1903a4-3.jpg

N3rday
January 19, 2004, 09:03 PM
Scoped Mosin Nagant:D

That's what I'll be getting with my meager budget...:(

Redlg155
January 19, 2004, 09:28 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but just how much WWII-vintage .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO is out there, and where do I find some?

I use that term figuratively. The last I checked he had a bunch of Indian Surplus that he was using. Pretty rough looking stuff to say the least.

Good Shooting
Red

Gewehr98
January 19, 2004, 09:34 PM
It scares me when stuff like that gets posted. Just like the thread here at THR a week or so ago where the guy said he was having trouble opening the bolt on his CMP-issued rifle after each shot. He was feeding it 8mm Mauser ammo. :what:

Art Eatman
January 19, 2004, 10:12 PM
There's figurative, and facetious, and then there's my OldTimer's disease.

Didn't .308 come out in 1958 or so?

Wuzzn't WW II over in 1945? I think so, since I was in Times Square on VJ night, eleven years old, and my parents were drinking up my $11 worth of greenback cash birthday present. (Some things you never forget.) :D

Art

nico
January 19, 2004, 10:17 PM
I don't have any experience with it, but I've read lots of good things about the Model 70 Stealth. They changed it this year (Stealth II), and added an aluminum bedding block, second swivel stud for a bipod, and changed it from push feed to controlled round push feed.
http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=535&type_id=955&cat=001C

ROAshooter
January 19, 2004, 11:15 PM
I had the need-urge for a "sniper" rifle not long ago. But since I shoot an M1A, and have a "few" rounds of 7.62-.308, lying around in air-water tight cans, I stuck to that caliber. I could not swing the price of a Rem PSS or LTR, but a Winchester "Coyote" was to be had for 500 bucks. If you havent seen one, it has a med.heavy barrel, floated, in a dark laminated stock, with a very easy to tune trigger. Shoots unbelievably accurate!!

ocabj
January 20, 2004, 12:10 AM
Reloading is a lot more fun with a precision bolt action, scoped rifle. You get to experiment with various powders, bullets, and other components to find the best accuracy in your specific rifle.

You get a better appreciation for accuracy, and tend to shoot less because you put value in each and every shot on target. When I'm not load testing a precision rifle, I'll only shoot maybe 15-20 rounds in the session.

You'll probably want to stick with .308 since it is the most common 'sniping' caliber and there are tons of ammunition and reloading options for this caliber. .223 would be cheaper to shoot, but it is affected by wind significantly more than .308 and starts losing accuracy around 500yds. You could always go .30-06 or .300WM, but .308 gives the best balance of accuracy and recoil.

As far as which rifle to pick, most people choose either a Remington 700 model or a Savage 10/110 series. The Remington 700 is the most popular because there are several variations and there are many aftermarket parts for them. The Army M24 and Marine Corps M40A3 is based on the Remington 700. People who want a Remington 'sniper' rifle usually go for the 700P (for Police, sometimes known as PSS, Police Sniper Special iirc) models or the LTR (Light Tactical Rifle, iirc). Some opt for the 700 VS because it is slightly cheaper than the P/PSS or LTR and still has the heavy barrel. The Police is usually found for around $700 give or take. The LTR is usually $50 more than the Police. The Police model has a 26" bbl and the LTR a 20" bbl.

The Savage 10/110 is a great value due in part to the Accutrigger design. This gives the shooter an easy way to adjust the trigger pull themselves without the need of a gunsmith or installing an aftermarket trigger. Most people look at the 10FP basic model which goes for less than $500. The only real fault with this rifle is the cheap, generic stock. The stock works in the sense that it allows you to shoot the gun, but not much else more than that. Many opt to get an aftermarket stock. Bell & Carlson, Sharpshooter Supply, and McMillan are the options for a Savage stock. You have the option of getting the 10FP with a McMillan stock. It is the 10FP-LE2B. It comes with a McMillan A-2 or A-3 (I'm not exactly sure). I've heard it can be found for about $750. This puts it in direct competition with the Remington 700 Police model. Plus, the Savages can be rebarrelled and/or converted to another caliber by the shooter. You pretty much just need a Savage barrel nut wrench, a barrel vise, and headspace gauges, and can swap the barrel out with an aftermarket barrel.

Personally, I have a 10FP-LE2. It came with the cheap stock and I got it for $459 new (before tax, FFL, etc). I got the Bell & Carlson Duramaxx for $89, but after a few months I was unhappy with it and eventually saved up and ordered the McMillan A-5 which I just received finally last week. I currently use the Ken Farrell (www.kenfarrell.com (http://www.kenfarrell.com) single piece base with Burris Signature Zee rings and a Bushnell 3200 10x Mildot scope. The scope isn't a high quality Leupold, but is a well known value Mildot that actually works.

I figure my current setup cost about $1300. I spent more in the long run because I bought the Bell & Carlson stock to tide me over until I bought a McMillan, and I was using the Leupold 2-piece STD bases and rings until I realized they sucked for precision shooting.

In retrospect, I would have probably went with the 10FP-LE2B so I could get the Savage/McMillan bundle to save me the time and money of getting the stock later (although, I really like the A-5, so I probably would have ended up buying that anyway).

As far as what you should choose, it's all up to you. If you have money to spend, definitely invest in the optics first. If you know for sure you are going to buy a bolt rifle and want to scope it, then you may as well buy the scope first. No matter which route you choose, whether it be Remington, Savage, Winchester, AI, or something, else, you will be able to use the scope you bought.

Here's a picture of my Savage in it's current state:

http://ocabj.ucr.edu/images/a5_2.jpg

Smokey Joe
January 20, 2004, 12:28 AM
Suggest a Savage Model 12BVSS V is for varminter; SS for stainless. The B is the laminated stock I think. Heavy bbl; nice tight action; heavy stock, Accutrigger. And it looks politically correct, not being black. :D You can mount a bipod on forend if you want. You can get it in cartridges up to .300 WSM.

Can you say "accuracy at long range," boys and girls?

makarov
January 20, 2004, 12:50 AM
This is my CZ-527 in .223 - it is a super accurate bolt gun and total cost is well under $1000 as shown. Scope is a Bushnell Scopechief 6-24x40. This is the Varmint model with factory HS Precision stock. Much nicer action than most Savages I looked at. You might also check out Howa's. The CZ also has a single set trigger which is nice. You push it forward and set it. Then a *very* light pull when you are on target.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=338139

nico
January 20, 2004, 01:18 AM
lol i think i'm turning into a gun nut. I just got my first rifle for christmas, but I'm drooling over the pics that've been posted:D

4v50 Gary
January 20, 2004, 01:24 AM
Gewehr98 - stop teasing me with that photo of your pristine 03A4.:D

seeker_two
January 20, 2004, 07:08 AM
Yes, you should definitely get a sniper-style rifle in a major (.308, .30-06) caliber....


....and we eagerly await your report about how you can conceal it in your SmartCarry holster...;)













(j/k) :)

dave3006
January 20, 2004, 08:20 AM
seeker two, that's pretty good. I admit I went a little overboard on the smartcarry thing. But, if I have to carry it in this manner, I am definately going with the 20" version. The chicks will dig me.

Mute
January 20, 2004, 12:34 PM
C'mon! Everyone should by at least one sniper rifle just to piss off an anti. A Rem 700 LTR with a Leupold M1 would be real nice, but you should be able to get into that set up for quite a bit less than $2300 if you shop around:

Rem 700 LTR - about $700 on the used market
Badger Rings and Base - $280
Leupold M1 w/Gen2 Mildot (http://www.premierreticles.com/index.php?uid=5465&page=1793&main=1&PHPSESSID=2df7e719fe031a866a4772c135551fd2) - $803

That puts you at under $1800. Good to go.

Smoke
January 20, 2004, 01:45 PM
I don't have a sniper rifle and really have never sensed a void in my collection for not having one. :confused:

But everyone should have a .30, long range, Prairie Dog gun.

Smoke




:D :neener: :D

seeker_two
January 20, 2004, 01:58 PM
But, if I have to carry it in this manner, I am definately going with the 20" version. The chicks will dig me.

http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/otn/realhappy/xxrotflmao.gif


Don't forget the Isaac Hayes music in the background... http://mysmilies.creativesell.net/contrib/ed/pimp.gif

bogie
January 20, 2004, 02:14 PM
What I'd do...

$300 for a donor Remington 700 with your choice of boltface (.222, .308, magnum)

$150 to clean up the action

$150 for a good trigger

$450 for a match-grade barrel, chambered to your specs

$350 for a good "tactical" stock (add $3.50 if you need to buy the black spray paint). Keep in mind that if you end up with a 15 pound rifle, that's 15 pounds YOU have to carry...

$500 for a Leupold, less for a Weaver.

I've got a friend who has a 700 in 7/08, fluted barrel, in a _blue_ hunting-style stock that Kelly did. Very lightweight, and consistently shoots into 1/2 MOA.

Nando Aqui
January 21, 2004, 11:14 PM
Second what others have said, and here is mine:
Rem 700PSS
Scope: Simmons Aetec 3.8-12 x 44 WA AO Mat Ill Ret. (about $150 at Natchezss.com)

Using BlackHills 168 gr Moly, it consistently shoots 1/2" 3-shot and 3/4" or less 4-shot groups at 100 yards, from the Versapod.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid101/p68d3810072e7b751b295127aa12738b4/f9de246e.jpg

Tag
January 22, 2004, 05:25 PM
Preachermans recent thred has verified my opinion of winchester rifles.

Winchester Model 70 Super Shadow in .300 WSM w/ a Leupold VX-I 3x9x40.

it looks almost... tactical :scrutiny:

Tag
January 22, 2004, 05:28 PM
one more :D

4v50 Gary
January 22, 2004, 05:40 PM
Tag - I could show you my barely sporterized original barrel Mauser 98 with its chopped up/butchered military wood stock, Redfield Jr. rings & base for a Weaver 330 scope - but I think you'd be jealous. ;)

Using Sellier & Belliot @ 100 yards, I got a 1 1/4" string with it. Maybe I'll upgrade it with a synthetic stock (with a nice rubber recoil pad).

Tag
January 22, 2004, 05:54 PM
with a nice rubber recoil pad


a key item.

fish2xs
January 23, 2004, 10:51 AM
I have a Savage FP w/ accutrigger & Choate stock and leupold scope for about
$1200. Much less than you are figuring on and a fine rifle indeed.

usmc1
January 23, 2004, 12:31 PM
Here is a few pics of my weapon that I built myself.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/092972.jpg (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=92972&c=545&z=1)

Sarah doesn't want us to have them

http://www.hunt101.com/img/072696.jpg (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=72696&c=500&z=1)

The business end

http://www.hunt101.com/img/073287.jpg (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=73287&c=545&z=1)

Rambosky
January 23, 2004, 02:37 PM
Kobun,

Nice paint job.

Tag
January 23, 2004, 06:20 PM
bolt guns done up right seem to, me anyways, have a much more refined evilness than your average AR. :evil:

she's a bute usmc1 :D

Getting back to the original posters inquiry: how could your collection (I like 'quiver') be complete without one?

Ratters
January 27, 2004, 03:09 AM
Well here is my new setup. Remmington LTR in .223 for $780 new with DROS and tax. Super Sniper 10x from SWFA with Leupold QRW rings and mounts for $420 with shipping. Harris BR swivel bipod for $97 with tax. So a little under $1300 all together.

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgDaAo8VVgypbUUlZyLiz*8lm8C2BQ2cRdUSn2TEbt55IAnGB5mvNsUTlOwpzSuFRYYTEzuRyd6!gP*Sr2AWTHYE6NUlwPbhlfBMk7hm*tNGW9GC*csxtQ/IMG_00251.JPG

Of course, now I want a PSS in .308. Damn, I need to get a better job.

HiFidelity
January 27, 2004, 03:02 PM
My setup:

Rem 700 LA, 338/416 wildcat, 34" Lilja Fluted SS Barrel, Ops Inc Brake, All Metal (scope & hardware, action, barrel, brake, bolt is lightly done) is finished in matte olive drab with a few other drab colors mixed in. Rifle Basix Trigger
Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x56 NP-R2 in Nightforce hardware
Choate Ultimate Sniper Stock. VERY consistant out to 2000yds. This thing LOVES Sierra 300gr MatchKings.

4v50 Gary
January 27, 2004, 10:06 PM
Nice Ratters. I've the same in .308 but unlike you, I bought most stuff used (yes, I'm cheap).

labgrade
January 28, 2004, 02:03 AM
So what would one consider a "sniper rifle?"

Maybe in need of its own thread.

I fiigure any scoped rifle capable of reliably taking out an opponent at pretty extreme ranges - but, at that, a "police sniper" does that at mainly around 100+ yards .... cutting the medula oblangata is an esence of motor function ... ending a hostage situation versus "just" taking out an opponent at long(er) ranges.

Varies.

Whatayawannado?

Every rifle should do the former, while only some will do the later, & it will always come down to the rifleman.

Rambosky
February 11, 2006, 04:37 AM
Here's my version of the Marine M40A3.

http://home.carolina.rr.com/rambosky/GAP&Storm5s.jpg

http://home.carolina.rr.com/rambosky/GAP&Storm4s.jpg

http://home.carolina.rr.com/rambosky/GAP&Storm2s.jpg

Nematocyst
February 11, 2006, 05:01 AM
Here's my version of the Marine M40A3.Phew.

You people are hard core, where hard is spelled HARD.

Just give me a Rem Mt rifle or Ruger Mk-II in 7mm08 (which at least as flat a trajectory {if not better} at important ranges than .308 or .30-06, me thinks) and a nice Leupold VX-II scope, and I'll be happy as a coyote in the sheep pen.

Nem

The Real Hawkeye
February 11, 2006, 08:42 AM
(I purposely used the term Sniper Rifle because I love to be politically incorrect.)

I have a few Garands, a couple Mini-14s, and an SKS or two. However, I have the feeling that my collection is somehow inadequate without a good heavy barrel, scoped bolt action rifle. I was thinking about a Remington 700 LTR with a Leupold M1 scope. This type of setup would be about $2300 complete. I love shooting semi auto rifles. I just don't know if I will like the bolt action enough to justify the capital outlay.

Any comments from those of you who have made the leap into the precision rifle realm?I have one Steyr-Mannlicher SSG-PII Police Sniper Rifle, which came with a 6 power sniper scope (German or Austrian made, though can't remember the maker of the scope off the top of my head) from the factory. I have a Harris bypod on it. From the bench it keeps them all inside of .45" at 100 yards. But then again, I have an old Sako action Browning (made 1961) with a medium heavy barrel, chambered in .243 that comes very close to matching that accuracy level, and it's much lighter by comparison (with 100 grainers, it keeps them all inside of .65" at 100 yards). Still, the Police Sniper SSG is cool, and I recommend, purely on principle, that every gunny have at least one dedicated sniper rifle, i.e., heavy barrel precision bolt action black rifle. Just to remind our would-be rulers and slave masters that we still retain the right to throw off their yoke at a time of our choosing.

USSR
February 11, 2006, 09:18 AM
Dave,

I would suggest the FN SPR if you are looking to drop $2300 into a rig. About $1400 for the rifle, leaving you $900 for a set of Badger rings and a decent scope. Have yet to hear of someone unhappy with the way this rifle shoots.

Don
http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages3/ussr/fnsprnew1.jpg
http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages3/ussr/Target2004A.jpg

kennedy
February 11, 2006, 06:50 PM
If you want semi auto, how about a Dragonuv tiger, 7.62X54 with handloads-fantastic.

cracked butt
February 11, 2006, 07:53 PM
Though the windage adjustments are a little touchy, the Swedish M41B is a heck of an accurate rifle for around $1300.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/brimic/Picture012.jpg

Don't Tread On Me
February 11, 2006, 08:09 PM
Here's my $0.02


I see it as 2 specific types of shooting requirements. Many people think they need a "sniper" rifle, when that is not what they really would want.


There's what you might call a "sniper rifle" and then what you might call a "designated marksman" type rifle.


This is somewhat from a SHTF perspective, but a bolt-action scoped rifle isn't useful for engaging multiple targets rapidly. Not as well as a semi-automatic scoped rifle. I guess it depends on what you want to accomplish. A bolt gun is more of a 1-shot 1-kill type weapon. That assumes your on OFFENSE. Not reacting in a defensive situation. Such a platform is the tool of a predator. It would be used to eliminate high-value targets.


I prefer a semi-automatic, military patterned, scoped rifle instead. This allows me to deliver lead at a much more rapid pace to engage many more targets quickly. These rifles have enough accuracy, ie "minute of man" accuracy out to several hundred yards, which in a battle or SHTF, is all you need. Such a scenario would better call for accurate rapid fire.


If I wanted a tool to get rid of undesirables in some tyrannical world, the best choice would be break action rifle, like an NEF, sawed down, in some caliber like 308. It would preserve its velocity due to having a longer barrel in a shorter platform (since it has no action). It is marginally slower than a bolt-gun, but it doesn't matter, the name of the game is SHOOT then SCOOT. Make your shot, and leave. Small, light, compact. Get a nice optic on there, like an illuminated range finding reticle...and you've got a great tool to take out the trash out to pretty long ranges.


It isn't likely that one will be in a ghuille suit stalking for days in brush to seek out some high-value target for assassination. More than likely, it will be you in a car, rolling down a window and popping the badguys from 100-300 yards, then driving off. Just like in Iraq right now. Mix in with the people in an urban setting. Not even our elite snipers can possibly stop this, it would require that every single part of society be surveilled constantly. This is impossible. If you actually think you can go toe-to-toe with any real snipers in a rural setting - you're dead meat. You will be going up against a much more highly trained, professional sniper, with far superior equipment. We're talking thermal detection, superior night vision etc...Bubba is going to be the equivalent of a prairie dog waiting to be shot.


A long barrled AR-15, or an M1A, both scoped would be great platforms. Lower recoil than highpowered bolt action 30 cals, easier to deliver more lethality. Very good for social situations.

cracked butt
February 11, 2006, 08:54 PM
I see it as 2 specific types of shooting requirements. Many people think they need a "sniper" rifle, when that is not what they really would want

Who said anything about 'need?' there is such a thing as buying something just for fun;)

Statistically speaking, a SHTF scenario where someone would 'need' a long range sniper rifle is about on par with me winning the $200million doallar powerball lottery tonight.

losangeles
February 11, 2006, 10:26 PM
If it's a bolt-action sniper rifle you're looking for, and you're in a bit of a budget, I'm with the other folks who recommend a Russian Mosin Nagant 91/30. You can get a very good condition for around $120. Sporterize it with a good scope and you can have a sniper for $200 complete. You don't need to go with the classic PE/PU scopes to keep the colletibility.

And it really, really is a sniper. It's a classic. It was used that way in its time. If you watched Enemy at the Gates (WWII story when Nazis invaded Stalingrad & Russies made a last stand), the hero of that movie was the Mosin 91/30.

Limeyfellow
February 11, 2006, 11:27 PM
If it's military, the Russian Moisin Nagant M91/30 w/PU scope is a bargain. They go for around $700.

Interordianance has them for $450. Even ones with PE scopes are less than $700.

The Real Hawkeye
February 12, 2006, 09:14 AM
If it's a bolt-action sniper rifle you're looking for, and you're in a bit of a budget, I'm with the other folks who recommend a Russian Mosin Nagant 91/30. You can get a very good condition for around $120. Sporterize it with a good scope and you can have a sniper for $200 complete. You don't need to go with the classic PE/PU scopes to keep the colletibility.

And it really, really is a sniper. It's a classic. It was used that way in its time. If you watched Enemy at the Gates (WWII story when Nazis invaded Stalingrad & Russies made a last stand), the hero of that movie was the Mosin 91/30.That was a great movie. One of my favorite gun movies. Used to have the DVD, but it got up and walked out of my house by itself, somehow. At any rate, it is no longer on my DVD shelf. Funny how things like that can sprout legs, isn't it?

ALS
February 12, 2006, 05:19 PM
My first was one of these in 300 Win Mag Blaser (http://www.blaser.de/english/produkte/r93/lrs2.htm)

Then I bought two IBA Chandler Sniper Rifles in .308
IBA (http://ironbrigadearmory.com/)

One with an A3 Stock and the other with an A5 stock.
Both have 26" SS Hart barrels and Leupold 4.5-14 X 50 Mildot for the A3 and a Leupold 4.5-14 X 50 Premier 2nd Generation Mildot for the A5.

I never thought how addicting an extremely accurate bolt action can be.:banghead:

mordechaianiliewicz
February 12, 2006, 06:02 PM
Yes:)

RiverwinoIA
February 12, 2006, 09:11 PM
cool pics...

i want to purchase my own "long range bolt gun".

Dont Tread on Me:
A highly precise bolt gun would be more useful for a lone partisan on the "occupied" shtf battlefield. You take one shot, from a different place, every time. If they find you and you start a gunfight, they have limitless back up given enough time. Its all about getting one good shot in, then quickly fading back into the sheep.
If you ever need to go semi auto with your battlerifle, i would think its only a matter of time til yer flanked/bombed/strafed by the occupying forces.

In a "mad max" end of the world scenario, i see the value in more firepower.

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