Hand gun for the wife


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Springville Pop
July 13, 2011, 04:18 PM
I followed the thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=564531 trying to get an idea of just what type or model of gun would work best for my wife but really didn't see many suggestions that fit her needs.

She currently has a S&W J-frame 22mag but has a hard time pulling the trigger DA. She also has a real hard time racking the slide on my XDSC40. She wants to go try out some different types/models before buying something different. Looking for suggestions on a hand gun that would be easier for her to shoot. It will be a carry/SD weapon.

Thanks for any and all ideas!

Doug

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dprice3844444
July 13, 2011, 04:28 PM
A gun for the wife,sounds like a good trade to me

redbullitt
July 13, 2011, 04:32 PM
If the trigger pull is an issue, I would honestly have to suggest some hand strength training (barring any medical reason of course).

Slide racking can always be an issue, especially if the user is not used to doing it.

I would check out a ruger sp101. I carry one pretty regularly. It shoots well, comes in a few different calibers, and is easy to carry. It has some weight to it to help mitigate recoil.

My lady likes shooting the ruger very much. It is a good compromise all around.

Also, may want to look at a large frame gun depending on carry method. A larger revolver (ie gp100 with 38s) will recoil softly and shoot well.

Anywhere you guys can go to try different ones out?

Springville Pop
July 13, 2011, 04:57 PM
A gun for the wife,sounds like a good trade to me

No, I have a keeper!

Anywhere you guys can go to try different ones out?

Yes, there's an indoor range not to far away that we understand rents guns to try. Planning on going up there on Friday. We'll take a look at the Ruger.

A larger revolver (ie gp100 with 38s) will recoil softly and shoot well.

redbullitt, she likes my grandpa's Colt 38 special but, since it's a family heirloom, we don't want to carry it plus it's a little bigger than she'd like to carry.

Thanks!

searcher451
July 13, 2011, 05:11 PM
Take her to a range that rents pistols and have her select a few that she wants to try after looking over the selection. Or ... invite some of your friends to a range, and have them bring along their favorite pistols; then have her try those. Eventually she's find one that best fits her hand and eye, and the probem will be solved. I've long ago given up on trying to predict what a woman might want to shoot. Each is different, each has different capabilities, and all of them will surprise you somewhere along the line. One thing I can say for sure: If she is serious at all, something pink generally isn't going to cut it.

Dnaltrop
July 13, 2011, 05:17 PM
She may like to try a Bersa thunder or CZ-82/83. something she can carry one in the chamber and use a DA pull for the first shot for safety, and .380/9mm mak are both respectable rounds.

However if she can't use the slide on a given Semi, she wont be able to fix it if she has a failure in a pinch.

SW Model 10 revolvers are reliable and tough. though again may be bigger than you want. really there are too many small 38/357 revolvers to list and everyone will have a favorite. Go out for a good Groping.

Triggers can be lightened, but she has to be comfortable enough carrying it in general, or it will become an annoyance.

Strykervet
July 13, 2011, 05:35 PM
Take her to a range that rents pistols and have her select a few that she wants to try after looking over the selection. Or ... invite some of your friends to a range, and have them bring along their favorite pistols; then have her try those. Eventually she's find one that best fits her hand and eye, and the probem will be solved. I've long ago given up on trying to predict what a woman might want to shoot. Each is different, each has different capabilities, and all of them will surprise you somewhere along the line. One thing I can say for sure: If she is serious at all, something pink generally isn't going to cut it.
+1 on the surprise. My wife WANTS a small, light auto. I require it to be 9mm or larger. The problem, she doesn't like the snappy recoil from lighter weapons firing high pressure cartridges. +P in 9mm, uh-uh. .40, forget about it. .45? Not so sure.

But 10mm? OKAY! In fact, she is the second woman, the first was my friends 16yo >100lb. daughter, to say they preferred the G29 10mm pistol to the G17, G27, M9, 686+, on and on... The funny thing is, they don't like the 155 or 180gr. bullets at hardly any loads, but the 200gr. Hornady XTP? Loaded to 1000fps they can shoot it all day.

Go figure. But whatever you do, don't pass up the 10mm. I almost did until I saw a little girl pick it up and shoot it like it was nothing --and she was accurate too. She also ran through all my practice ammo and I had to come back and load up 200 more for myself! For some reason, it seems to be a winner. I think it is because the pistol fires a heavy enough round to not have "snappy" recoil and the pistol itself is heavy enough to mitigate it entirely.

She isn't a big fan of the size of a Smith 10mm auto, but she purse carries, and she has FINALLY come to the conclusion that Isaac Newton was right! We never made it to .45, but I think with the right fitting, a .45 would be just fine.

Come to think of it, most women I know that shoot prefer low impulse rounds. Think heavy-slow. 200gr., 1000fps. Even 9mm+P has more impulse than the heavy 10's and .45's. Anyway, I usually see them shooting .38spcl. and .45ACP. 9mm seems to be a toss up, and .40 is rare. 10mm only seems to work with the heavy bullets.

Of course there are women that fire the .500mag, but they are rare and usually wear lineman's boots.

She started with a Smith 317. They didn't make the magnum yet. It has a stiff trigger too, stiffer than I like, and stiff enough to affect accuracy DA. I changed out some springs in it, but not the hammer spring, a little polishing, and now it is a little better. She still can't hit anything with it, but she likes shooting it. She is most accurate with the M9, 10/22, and M4 (but doesn't like the M9)..

Sig88
July 13, 2011, 08:05 PM
+1 on a Model 10. Won't be too heavy and you will have the single/ double action.

As for semi autos take a look at Glocks (17,19) M&Ps, maybe Ruger P95 or SR9

Lawdawg45
July 13, 2011, 09:32 PM
"She currently has a S&W J-frame 22mag but has a hard time pulling the trigger DA."

This statement tells me she would also not have the steady grip required for a semi auto to function properly. To me, the cheapest option at this point would be to have a gunsmith do an action job on your revolver and really smooth it out.

LD45

oneounceload
July 13, 2011, 09:33 PM
Read TheCorneredCat.com for tips on guns for women and how to rack slides (both of you)

MICHAEL T
July 13, 2011, 09:37 PM
the cheapest option at this point would be to have a gunsmith do an action job on your revolver and really smooth it out.

That is always a good idea You can safely reduce DA pull on a Smith .

bigfatdave
July 13, 2011, 10:32 PM
as you are ignoring the sticky you claim to have read ...

I'll recommend a desert eagle in .50AE

Lost Sheep
July 13, 2011, 11:00 PM
Oneounceload's suggestion to read CorneredCat.com is right on. It is a good site to read for both men and women. You should read it together or separately, but you both should go over it.

The author is a moderator on TheFiringLine.com forum (handle "Pax") and knows what she is talking about.

Lost Sheep

Springville Pop
July 14, 2011, 07:32 PM
bigfatdave: as you are ignoring the sticky you claim to have read ...

I'll recommend a desert eagle in .50AE

I like that one! Did go back and look through sticky again...guess problem is I'm not that familiar with all the different makes and models. Gotta go try more out.

oneounceload and Lost Sheep: Read TheCorneredCat.com for tips on guns for women and how to rack slides (both of you)
Great site, thanks for the tip.

bigfatdave
July 14, 2011, 08:08 PM
guess problem is I'm not that familiar with all the different makes and models. Gotta go try more out.snark aside, the second sentence will correct the first.

Get a friend or three together for a range day and present her with the pile-o-guns ... she'll be able to tell you what features she does or doesn't like after trying a bunch ... then start shopping based on actual data.

TCU
July 15, 2011, 11:54 AM
same deal with my wife. ended up getting her a sig sauer p238 extreme haha. Its what she liked so i picked one up. The thing is little and its great for my summer time carry.

ForumSurfer
July 15, 2011, 12:21 PM
If she's happy with the j-frame, have her try the ruger LCR with hogue tamer grips. It shoots surprisingly soft with those grips (has some sort of gel-pack under them). The crimson trace grips are nice, but it is cheaper and softer shooting with the hogues. The trigger is pretty smooth and light. I like it so much, I'll be picking one up soon.

The odd thing is, I like DA revolvers to be medium to long trigger pulls with a crisp, clear "breaking point." Admittedly, I'm not a revolver aficionado...but that is what I like. The LCR seems more medium to short length of pull as well as smooth and consistent all the way through.

38 +p is good enough for me...and definitely a step up from 22 :)

Does she like the j-frame or does she prefer a semi? Try the keltech pf-9. It seems to get rave reviews.

klutchless
July 15, 2011, 03:26 PM
Try a full size 1911.My girl got love struck on my 45 and then proceeded to buy her own 38 super and now I have to ask her to shoot her gun.They like what they like and thats the way it is she may hate plastic light weight things.My brothers wife carries a 4inch 357 magnum in her purse. Proper training beats equipment everytime.On a side note due to their lower center of gravity with the proper stance a woman can actualy take more recoil than a man can.

kludge
July 15, 2011, 04:53 PM
The S&W .22 Mag trigger on the couple of ones I've held/fired are RIDICULOUSLY heavy. One lady I know has one and her's smoothed out over a year of use, but is still *very* heavy.

A snub-nose alloy DA revolver has to be the hardest gun to learn to shoot with, but once you master it, every other handgun will be a piece of cake.

It might be worth it to have a good gunsmith go over the trigger.

Most ladies in my pistol classes like my Bersa Thunder .380. It is very accurate, has a nice trigger, fits most hands and has been utterly reliable. They also like the S&W Model 19 with target hammer/trigger, but that's really too large. My favorite carry revolver is by far the Ruger SP101. It is available "hammerless" DAO. My trigger is slick and not too heavy, but has had some work done -- worth it IMO for a SD gun.

Glock 26 works for a lot of ladies too. I would also have her look at the Ruger SR9c

Naybor
July 16, 2011, 11:23 AM
My wife had problems racking a semi-auto slide too.

She decided on a Ruger SP101 .357 and has gotten very good with it. I put in a Wolff 9# mainspring, left the trigger spring alone, and now she LOVES the trigger pull and smooth action in DA. She carries with a Roma CC purse (I wanted her to do body carry). YOU MUST LET A WOMAN DECIDE ON WHAT SHE WANTS or you will never get any peace.

hardluk1
July 16, 2011, 02:28 PM
If recoil is not a problem with a 38, NAYBOR is on the right track. I have a daughter 5'3" an 100lbs and was always a girly girl growing up, no interest in firearms. Now married and has a child she has wanted to learn about firearms now. I have an old taurus 85SS that has had wolff RP hammer spring in it for ever and with all the use its has has a 2 3/4lb SA pull and 4 3/4lb DA pull. NO factory or most worked revolvers are that light and smooth and it has never falled to go bang. Great older pocket pistol. Now she wants something thinner and she ended up with a BERSA 380 single stack after try'n a bunch of guns. Not a bad da first pull and real nice sa for all others AND she can rack the slide and get a very good grip on it. Weights the same as the taurus at 20 oz and the prices are low. Just let her try as many as she can. If you have a indoor range or gun shop with woman working there see if they can figure it you. Then you can pay for it.

Trad Archer
July 17, 2011, 10:39 AM
My wife has a Bersa Thunder 380 and a S@W Bodyguard 380. She loves them both and shoots them very well. I think the Bersa is her favorite and that gun eats everything it's fed. It never malfunctions.

BlackJackJoe
July 17, 2011, 10:51 AM
I agree. Have the same pistol for my wife and I think that it's a great buy. A revolver is simple, just pull the trigger. No racking the slide, fumbling with magazines, figuring out if the safety is on or off. Doubt she would ever be in an extended shoot out so 6 rounds fired in someone's direction should either drop them or scare the **** out of them.

Bovice
July 17, 2011, 11:20 AM
I don't get the big deal with racking a slide. Folks, it's not like pulling a sword from a stone. Ever since red meat got demonized, people are getting weaker and weaker. A 9mm with the browning lockup (NOT blowback operated) does not require much of a pull. If she/he/whoever cannot do that and they haven't been diagnosed with some crippling disorder, their first step towards self defense preparedness should start with joining a gym. As close as some dangerous social situations can be, they'll rip that pistol right out of your girly hands.

snooperman
July 17, 2011, 12:11 PM
Have her try them out at the gun shop, racking etc and let her make the decision.

griff383
July 18, 2011, 09:02 AM
A friends wife picked up a Bersa 380 (7 round). My wife held it and liked the way it felt so we bought the 15 round version. Since then 4 other people have bought one (15 round version), both men and women, and almost everyone that has shot it loves it. Out of all 5 there have been zero malfuntions with probably 5 or 6 different types of ammo. My only gripe is magazines are a little hard to find and the pistol only comes with one.

WinThePennant
July 19, 2011, 12:00 AM
Sounds like the P250 is perfect for her.

bassdogs
July 19, 2011, 11:08 AM
Surprised no one has mentioned the Judge by Tarus. I know Tarus isn't a preferred manufact. by many, but my experiience with the judge has been nothing but positive. I was looking for a handgun for my wife for SD. She is not a shooter so my criteria was something simple to shoot, safe, and lethal. The first 2 pointed me to a revolver. The Judge offered the simplicity and safety and provided the punch desired with the 410 / 45LC loads. It is a point and shoot weapon that doesn't require pinpoint accuracy [for sure with the first couple of shoots] and a definite mankiller with the 45 HP.

I bought her the Public defender model which has a short snub style barrel in stainless. It is still a big gun with the 2 1/2 inch 410 cylinder, but still something that fits quite nicely in a purse and the PD has a bobbed hammer that doesn't snag coming out of a purse or pocket. It also has a smaller grip that fits her hand well. The special SD rounds in 410 were designed for the Judge and inside 15 feet are almost guaranteed to cause the bad guy some serious problems. I load it with 2 of the Winchester SD 410s followed by a 45 LC HP. It's a 5 shoot so #4 is another 410 and #5 is back to 45 LCHP. This gun is not for a fire fight, but for a female walking to her car or waking up with a bad guy coming into the bedroom, it will take care of business.

SquareBeer
July 22, 2011, 11:10 PM
Read TheCorneredCat.com for tips on guns for women and how to rack slides (both of you)
unless you spelled TheCorneredCat.com incorrectly, it is not a website.

rwilson37643
July 22, 2011, 11:21 PM
I have found that the Browning Hi Power seems to be very well suited to female shooters. That being said, my wife prefers a 1911 and my sister loves the Glock 19

Chief_Cabioch
July 22, 2011, 11:25 PM
Not having read all the responses at the risk of possibly giving the same information as some earlier post I would suggest a light weight S&W shrouded hammer for Gun Purse carry....

http://www.gunblast.com/SW_342PD.htm

David Charlton
July 23, 2011, 08:40 AM
Hello,

According to my experiences Ruger sr9 is also a nice shooter. Thin and adjustable grip and back strap.
Of course the Hk and Sigs are nice and you cannot really go wrong with them if you like them.

Hope these help you.
ACR Airsoft (http://www.evike.com/)

Springville Pop
July 23, 2011, 11:58 AM
SquareBeer:
unless you spelled TheCorneredCat.com incorrectly, it is not a website.

The web site is actually www.corneredcat.com (http://www.corneredcat.com/TOC.aspx).

It's a very informative site. Thanks to those who suggested it and all the other suggestions too!

Furncliff
July 23, 2011, 12:19 PM
Be aware that depending on make and model your gunsmith can do a lot to make a trigger pull more comfortable for your wife.

Nushif
July 23, 2011, 12:47 PM
I am always surprised how many people want to tell this woman what to carry.

The right handgun for the wife ... is the one *she* picks. not some guy on a board, not the husband who wants a new gun, not the sales person, not Santa Claus!



Come on folks! We marry these people! That means they're adults capable of making rational decisions. By law. Which *should* include going to a gun shop, reading the internet and making up their choice on what they want. They're about to enter the shooting world. It's not that scary. They don't need their hands held. We all somehow made it without being told what our gun ought to be. Give the person you supposedly love, respect and cherish the shadow of a doubt and assume they can make grown up decisions and yes ... mistakes, too.

Please don't tell me you buy their cars, too.



Maybe this is just the 21st century talking, who knows?

Chief_Cabioch
July 24, 2011, 01:12 AM
well these were suggestions, not MANdates just a suggestion, I have helped many women find something they liked, felt comfy with and those are extremely important reason to consider in buying a weapon, I dont believe anyone thought this would be binding on the OP to get these wepaons.

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