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gibson_es
July 14, 2011, 03:35 AM
I dont have mine yet. So it has not happened to me.

Butbim wondering. Has anyone ever found out (one way or another) that you carry, and asked ou not to bring it in there home or place of business? Maybe even kicked out / refused service?

To some, guns are "evil" :scrutiny: and i can picture this happening eventually.

To me, part of conceal, isbso that everyone around dont know you are carrying. but sometimes things happen. I eont plan on telling anyone besides my wife and best friend (who is also getting his concealed soon). But the though still crosses my mind "what if".

Would love to hear some stories and whatbyour reply was.

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Nushif
July 14, 2011, 03:41 AM
Nope! Nobody has ever kicked me out,and especially in summer it would not be hard to spot my gun underneath the covering shirt.
People have very rarely even commented on my carrying and even in those cases it was very often a positive reaction. And this is coming from people who supposedly hate guns.
The one "negative" response I have ever gotten was ironically from a friend, simply because he really does not like them. Not even because of fear, he just really does not get any of the sporting, ownership, self defense or hobby aspects. I would not want to cross him, armed with an aluminium bat though.

Flopsweat
July 14, 2011, 05:58 AM
No one has ever mentioned that they noticed my concealed firearm. I have had some funny looks but it could have been anything. A few close friends have asked if I have a CPL during conversation about guns but that's it. A few gals have given me a hug when I've had my shoulder holster on and not even noticed. I did have a "false positive" years ago - had one of those old Motorola "brick phone" cell phones on my hip under a tight leather jacket. The Lady behind the counter at a convenience store looked terrified. When I noticed she kept starring at my hip I opened the jacket without saying anything. The phone was rather clearly visible then. Suddenly she was all smiles.

CDW4ME
July 14, 2011, 08:22 AM
Never been asked to leave, but then again I'm 99.999% sure no one has ever noticed.
I go out of my way to make sure I do not print.
Take strong side IWB 3:00 for example, I'll ckeck by looking in a mirror to make sure that even if I lean forward (as if getting a drink from a fountain or reaching to get something from a shopping cart) the butt of the pistol doesn't break the outline of my back / side. I utilize a holster that has adjustable cant and I keep it (pistol) canted forward.
Appendix carry with a subcompact Glock works very well for me.
A Smartcarry worn with gymshorts is another good one.
In the above examples, ^ shirt is untucked and loose fitting.
For pocket carry (shirt tucked in, yuck :barf: ) a small bottle of hand sanitizer or gum breaks the outline of P3AT or Ruger LCP in pocket holster.
I do dress around the pistol; I buy clothes with CCD in mind.
In about 18 years of legal concealed carry I'm very sure no one has ever noticed, I put much effort & planning into it.

USAF_Vet
July 14, 2011, 08:51 AM
I don't have a CCW, but I open carry frequently. Now I live in the sticks, where seeing a gun isn't all that uncommon. I've done my shopping with a .45 on my hip, gotten gas, etc. both in the rural area where I live and in the city. Wearing an M9 in the Air Force got me used to the heft of an open carry weapon, as well as the situational awareness that comes with it. I've gotten some looks, and a few double takes, but no one has reacted in a negative manner, or asked me to leave.

RimfireChris
July 14, 2011, 09:13 AM
I had a manager of a local business who I was friendly with once tell me if she ever saw me carrying she'd kick me out of the store. I had an account there, told her to look it up, see how much I'd spent there over the year so far, and think about if that's really what she wanted to do. It never came up again.

Snowbandit
July 14, 2011, 09:17 AM
I have daily carried concealed for almost 35 years now and doubt anyone has ever noticed. The ones that seem to get busted are new carriers that have to mess with it, adjust it, all the time.

Sig88
July 14, 2011, 09:25 AM
No one has ever said anything to me and there have been a few times were I was partially uncovered and didn't notice. My friend has told me not to bring it to his house but he never knew or cared enough to say anything if he did know.

ForumSurfer
July 14, 2011, 09:26 AM
Butbim wondering. Has anyone ever found out (one way or another) that you carry, and asked ou not to bring it in there home or place of business? Maybe even kicked out / refused service?

Nope. I haven't been discovered when concealed with ninja-like stealthiness, slight printing or extremely obvious (to me) printing. I honestly think I could go around with jeans, a tshirt with a huge bulge and 5" of desert eagle barrel sticking out...and only 10% of people would even notice.

It all depends on your local climate. Open carry here is legal and doesn't get met with screams or "oh my gosh, he has a gun!" responses.

I don't mind if I have the slight print of a magazine or the heel of the grip when I bend over, reach or stretch at an awkward angle. To me, it is no different (maybe even less obvious) than the guy next to me with the huge Droid carrier bulge or the guy who has a badly wrinkled shirt that sticks out. No one notices in my area. YMMV.

hardluk1
July 14, 2011, 09:27 AM
26 years with no one saying anything. I think most that would notice would be another CC person.

Zach S
July 14, 2011, 09:43 AM
Kinda got called out once at my then-wife's grandparents' house. Long story short, I ended up telling her grandmother that she'd never seen me without a gun, she mentioned that she didn't like guns, and that was it. She didn't ask me to take it to the car, nor did she ask me to leave it in the future.

In a weird twist of fate, even with the end of our marriage, I have more contact with her mama and and her side of the family than she does. We talk often over the phone or facebook, and when I drop my daughter off on weekends I'm usually there a few hours. My handgun is still not an issue.

edit: I know what some of you are thinking, and it aint like that...

gibson_es
July 14, 2011, 09:55 AM
Im surprised at those with years of ccw, good to know its not a huge problem.

Ima be a bit worried about printing, fkoroda dont allow open carry at all, and im not sure if you could get into trouble if the wrong person noticed. i wish we had open carry. Even if it involved a permit.

jfdavis58
July 14, 2011, 09:56 AM
I've had a couple 'encounters' but it usually involves other customers or guests.

First the lessons I've learned: never reach higher then your shoulder to retrieve an item from a shelf in the presence of another customer. Both times the shirt snagged and somebody saw enough to begin ranting.

Don't lean on counters it stretches the material covering the gun so to make a nice print.

Don't buy produce in a crowd, everybody bumps you for position. This goes hand in hand with watching for fast moving little kids; one of these nearly knock himself silly when his head smacked into my handgun as he raced down the lane not watching where he was going.

The most often heard phrase from irritated customers: "that (carrying a gun) just ain't right, somebody should do something" and the most often heard response from store personnel, "It's legal and our policy is to follow the law".

I go to the produce market early, with the other old as the hills buzzards-they are calm and polite and don't bump for position and a head of lettuce. As for the little kid, his mother made the snap judgement I was law enforcement and apologized several times, hoping her son hadn't damaged my firearm. The store manager offered me a 10% discount as a way of 'making things right'.

In the winter (what little winter we have in NM), I wear a LandsEnd squall jacket most days. I have an old Buckeye Firearms Association Yes to Concealed Carry button on the collar. A worker saw it once and inquired as to my carry status. We had a long discussion about how every able bodied law abiding citizen needed to carry.

No one has ever refused admittance or thrown me out, just the opposite. Several who know or found out have made specific requests that I come in and shop and stay a while.

chhodge69
July 14, 2011, 10:08 AM
My wife has a few friends that moved south from NYC and brought their attitudes with them. They have made it clear to HER that they "don't believe in guns"... whatever that means. Since they've never said a word to ME about it I go about my business when we visit and carry concealed. I can anticipate they would ask me to leave if they knew but it just hasn't come up, and I will gladly never darken their door again if it does.

Mainsail
July 14, 2011, 10:41 AM
I’ve been asked to leave a number of places for open carry. For almost all of them, after some follow-up, was told that the employee who asked me to leave spoke out of place and that I was welcome.

Nevertheless, a concealed firearm exposed seems to make people more nervous than one carried openly. I’ve never heard of anyone being asked to leave though.

MedWheeler
July 14, 2011, 10:55 AM
There are a lot of public-safety workers (police, fire, EMS) living in the city in which I live. Take-home patrol cars are at least one to each block, and they come from many local jurisdictions. Though I've been out of law enforcement for a long time (and still work the uniformed profession of EMS), I still frequently get mistaken for a cop just due to my appearance and demeanor. Even had the owner of the preschool I just registered my daughter in ask me "I think I know you from somewhere; are you a police officer?" I had never met her before. None who has mistaken me for one, or at least let me know that, has "made" my weapon. If anyone around here does "make" my weapon, they will likely assume as well. Cops are pretty much welcome in any business around here.

ForumSurfer
July 14, 2011, 11:10 AM
I still frequently get mistaken for a cop just due to my appearance and demeanor.

I dress "business casual" (khakis and a polo) for work, so if I slap on a holster and open carry on the way home it has happened to me. If I go for sunglasses and a goatee, I'm forced to try to conceal or I feel like I'm going to get arrested for impersonating an officer. I've even gotten an "excuse me, officer" question or two at gas pumps by the interstate. Apparently I fit some sort of perceived perception of what a detective or off duty officer looks like.

philpost
July 14, 2011, 11:46 AM
My wife has a few friends that moved south from NYC and brought their attitudes with them. They have made it clear to HER that they "don't believe in guns"... whatever that means.

One of the first things I did when I moved south from NYC...was get a CCW. For the first time, I felt I had the same privileges as criminals did ;) And her friends don't need to "believe" in guns; there's ample empirical proof that they do, in fact, exist :evil: Reminds me of a friend of mine who moved to St. Thomas with his wife, and reported a bigger gang problem than in Queens, NY. He said he couldn't go out after dark, and frequently heard gunshots, but his wife refused to let him have one in the house, because she didn't "believe" in them. Must be a pretty strong belief when you can't trust your own ears.

Since it's pretty hot down here, I frequently wear a t-shirt and shorts, but have had no problems with a S&W 642 and an IWB holster. I don't wear super-tight shirts, but neither are they so loose they billow.

Nushif
July 14, 2011, 11:51 AM
I still frequently get mistaken for a cop just due to my appearance and demeanor.

This is a huge deal I've noticed. Through a variety of ways everyone around here seems to think I'm military, and that also helps. They're hardly surprised at all to see me in either a parade, a ceremony or well, carrying.

hermannr
July 14, 2011, 12:07 PM
Your demure has more to do with it then method of carry. If you CC and are a nervous nelly, people will check you out and try figure out why you are so nervous. You might even get called out on it.

You do not think about what kind of socks you put on? and are nervous that someone might see them? You CC should be like your socks, you put them on, and then forget them until you take them back off. No?

Just kind of an example, our youngest daughter wore mismatched socks once and was called out for it. Ever since, she intentionally mismatches her socks, and she is almost 40 now. That should be your attitude...confidence in yourself and what you are doing...forget what others think.

Just like if you open carry (assuming OC is legal in your state) with confidence no-one will notice, or at most will think you are supposed to be wearing it. Been doing OC for over 40 years. yes, I have a permit (for winter and in car) but I am an honest man, I OC...I have nothing to hide.

Deltaboy
July 14, 2011, 12:34 PM
I get asked if I was in the Army or if I am a LEO all the time! So in the past 4 years I have had no issues. :D

Owen Sparks
July 14, 2011, 01:00 PM
I got kicked out of a fancy dining establishment for wearing a white T-shirt once. My dress shirt got stained so I took it off in the bathroom and they refused to serve me without it. Their place, their rules.

pockets
July 14, 2011, 01:13 PM
Your demure demeanor has more to do with it then method of carry.

Yup!

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ForumSurfer
July 14, 2011, 01:18 PM
One of the first things I did when I moved south from NYC...was get a CCW. For the first time, I felt I had the same privileges as criminals did ;)


Now that right there is worthy of putting in a signature line as a quote!

JackCrow
July 14, 2011, 02:02 PM
If I have ever been "made" no one has ever said anything to me about it.

westy39
July 14, 2011, 02:36 PM
I have carried concealed for approximately 25 years and I have never once had anyone make any comment about this even people who are known to me to be very anti-gun. I carry a S&W 642, 5 to stay alive so to speak. After so many years I no longer think about it I just dress in a manner that my side arm is concealed. In all that time I have never had to draw my side arm and I pray I never will have the need to. The primary objective or reason to carry concealed is so no one knows you are packing and for protection. Just my 2 cents worth from the Big Sky Country.... Be safe all and never forget your brain is your most powerful weapon......Westy39

nyrifleman
July 14, 2011, 02:54 PM
For all of those who carry concealed and have never had it come up: my wife and I both carry and whenever we go anywhere public (out to eat, usually) we try to see how many people we can "make" (where we live in Upstate NY, approximately 1 in 5 people has a concealed carry permit, believe it or not). So far, we've made a good half-dozen (we thought they looked like CCWers, and then they printed). So just because no one's ever said anything doesn't mean no one's noticed! :D

My wife's better at it than I am.

Standing Wolf
July 14, 2011, 03:16 PM
Nope. I don't know anyone who'd disapprove of my exercising our Second Amendment civil rights. Life is short. Why waste time with people who don't understand the fundamentals?

HankR
July 14, 2011, 03:20 PM
This goes hand in hand with watching for fast moving little kids; one of these nearly knock himself silly when his head smacked into my handgun as he raced down the lane not watching where he was going.

Both times that I know I've been made were kids -- my own kids. My daughter climbing on my lab in church and my son making a fake tackle/punch in the hip on another occasion when I was in dress clothes and hitting his hand on my IWB carry. The son was older, and we'd discussed CCW prior so he just shook his hand and smiled. The daughter was much younger, and seemed to realize something was wrong, but didn't say anything loud enough to alert anybody else.

Ole Coot
July 14, 2011, 03:45 PM
I've carried so many years I don't notice. If anyone has noticed nothing has ever been said. Most people I know do take it for granted. It doesn't bother the local LEOs that I might meet. My weapon is concealed but in my area a handgun discussion might mean a "walk out back" of the establishment for a quick shooting match or just try out a new handgun. Your own attitude will have a lot to do with a possible detection of your handgun.

Nushif
July 14, 2011, 09:08 PM
Your own attitude will have a lot to do with a possible detection of your handgun.

This.

I never get it when people are made, and their snarky response is something borderline hostile.
Nothing wrong with someone else having good eyes, folks. It's not like carrying a gun lawfully is a crime.

DougW
July 14, 2011, 09:19 PM
Heck, I have a good friend that get's upset with me if I am NOT carrying when I go to his house!

bcp280z
July 14, 2011, 10:03 PM
Yes, just got "kicked out" of my bakery job, was going to leave anyway with the past 4 weeks being less than 20hrs, I could not find my pocket holster that day so it was IWB and bent down too far for some plates and a co worker made me, funny thing is we live in the South.

Taurus 66
July 14, 2011, 10:38 PM
I dont have mine yet. So it has not happened to me.

Butbim wondering. Has anyone ever found out (one way or another) that you carry, and asked ou not to bring it in there home or place of business? Maybe even kicked out / refused service?

To some, guns are "evil" and i can picture this happening eventually.

To me, part of conceal, isbso that everyone around dont know you are carrying. but sometimes things happen. I eont plan on telling anyone besides my wife and best friend (who is also getting his concealed soon). But the though still crosses my mind "what if".

Would love to hear some stories and whatbyour reply was.

How could someone know, even with just a slight print of the gun, that it was ACTUALLY a GUN and not just something mistaken for a gun? I mean any number of other items could easily fill its place. For them to ask you outright if it's a gun (IMHO) is out of line. Refused service?? Let them and I would take my business elsewhere with no anger, fight or debate whatsoever. I am sure they will survive without my business, but then so will I without theirs.

O C
July 14, 2011, 10:54 PM
I'm 70, been carrying since I was 9 ( open carry, off to the woode after snakes, and squirrels).Different times, different places. have been CCW the rest of the time (60yrs +-) Never been called out about it. Frankly, don't give a damn.

NavyLCDR
July 14, 2011, 11:02 PM
I open carry everywhere and have never been lawfully kicked out of anyplace. A cop kicked me out of a restaurant, against the owner's wishes, because he didn't like me open carrying. The restaurant owner called me personally and asked me, my family and my friends to please come back and feel free to bring our guns. About 20 of us total went back the following weekend for a luncheon. The Chief of Police was invited for a social interaction, but also warned that we were invited guests on private property and if any police attempted to interfere they would be subject to a lawsuit. No cops showed up (that we could tell, anyway).

If you gun is concealed, why would anyone have any reason to say anything to you? Doesn't concealed mean they don't know you have the gun?

metallihead_27244
July 14, 2011, 11:08 PM
I conceal carry daily, I have a ruger LCP that fits perfectly in that little watch/coin pocket on a pair of blue jeans, only the butt of the pistol sticks out , and I pull my t-shirt over it, and carry nothing in the big pocket on that sid, havent been made yet, and am in place for a very quick draw.

TempestP226
July 15, 2011, 12:25 AM
While concealed? No. No one finds out unless I want them to.
Now, as a measure of courtesy I do ask before visiting someone's home, and I have been asked not to bring a weapon inside a time or two.

klutchless
July 15, 2011, 01:07 AM
I got kicked out of dicks for oc even though they have no sign against it.Well I wasn't kicked out I was given the choice to check my weapon with them or take it to the car so I told them it was ok I can go somewhere else.Turns out the woman who escorted me to the door got fired for doing the same thing to a off duty police officer when she saw him printing his cc.I guess after several angry words were exchanged managment found out what she was up to. She was removed from her position.She worked at the gun counter handing over guns and ammo all day.But hay I got a written apology and a 10 dollar gift card for my next visit.

ChCx2744
July 15, 2011, 01:29 AM
The only time I've been made is when my idiot friends randomly lift up my shirt and start laughing. Luckily, they only do it when we're at their place or mine. If they ever pulled that crap in public, we'd no longer be friends.

Powderman
July 15, 2011, 03:23 AM
I had a manager of a local business who I was friendly with once tell me if she ever saw me carrying she'd kick me out of the store. I had an account there, told her to look it up, see how much I'd spent there over the year so far, and think about if that's really what she wanted to do. It never came up again.

That's interesting. Where in Western WA are you?

MikeNice
July 15, 2011, 03:55 AM
I dress "business casual"

I dress like a surf bum most days. I still get asked "are you a cop?" One of my kids pre school teacher's asked if I was working undercover. The weather turned warm and out came the shorts and flip flops.

Enough people assume that I'm a cop or "a narc" that nobody bothers me when I print.. Today at the gas station the cashier kept giving me weird glances. When I got to the counter she whispered, "officer, I think your holster is showing." I pulled my shirt down and said thank you.

I was carrying OWB. My shirt had caught on a shelf. I didn't think to look down and check my holster. The shelf had caught me high up near the sleeve seam. So, I just checked for a hole and kept going. I didn't realize I had a half inch of nylon showing.

By the way I am not a cop. I work for a police department but, I am not a commissioned LEO. I just didn't feel like explaining it to the cashier.

gibson_es
July 15, 2011, 06:18 AM
I wish we had open carry here.. florida, eh. What can you do?

My real fear is based on this. If we had open carry, and my concealed showed, so what? Kiss my hairy butt.

However. The way i understand it at least (correct me if im wrong) you can technically get in big troubke if the wrong person see's your gun, or an obvious print.

CHEVELLE427
July 15, 2011, 06:50 AM
I don't tell they don't ask

thedrewcifur
July 15, 2011, 05:21 PM
because i don't have a ccw permit i open carry (its legal in ohio without a permit). so i rarely carry my pistol concealed (only in places or situtions where i may need my gun but i don't want it showing, like helping a friend move in the crappy parts of town). nobody notices when i conceal and few even notice when i carry openly. i have only been stopped 3 times by cops while oc'ing. and never because of a MWAG call ether.

ironhead7544
July 15, 2011, 08:00 PM
Most people are wrapped up in their own problems and wouldnt notice unless your piece fell out. It does happen. Get a holster that will hold the gun in even if you are upside down. And dont take it off, even in the bathroom. A lot of people leave a gun in a public restroom. Sounds stupid I know but it happens more than often.

rscalzo
July 15, 2011, 09:06 PM
Get a holster that will hold the gun in even if you are upside down

I see way too many up here carry (as the ability is quite easy) buy a ten dollar one size fits all holster. It barely secures the firearm much less allow a decent draw if needed.

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 15, 2011, 09:27 PM
I've only seen one person that was CC'ing. Thats only because he basically flashed it in my face to put his wallet away. I was ticked but couldn't do anything because I was working.

Mainsail
July 15, 2011, 09:50 PM
I was ticked...

Why?

armoredman
July 16, 2011, 12:01 AM
Never while carrying concealed. Before we had CCW we had open carry, and I was asked to leave three places. All three went out of business not too long aftwards. :)

sig232
July 16, 2011, 11:31 AM
Thanks to the new Fl clarification, I can reach for things and not give a d@mn any more :D If they don't like it, too bad.

MedWheeler
July 16, 2011, 11:37 AM
NavyLCDR:
I open carry everywhere and have never been lawfully kicked out of anyplace. A cop kicked me out of a restaurant, against the owner's wishes, because he didn't like me open carrying. The restaurant owner called me personally and asked me, my family and my friends to please come back and feel free to bring our guns. About 20 of us total went back the following weekend for a luncheon. The Chief of Police was invited for a social interaction, but also warned that we were invited guests on private property and if any police attempted to interfere they would be subject to a lawsuit. No cops showed up (that we could tell, anyway).

That's a cool story. I wonder, though, what would have happened if, when the cop ordered you out, the owner had, in turn, ordered him out...

effengee
July 16, 2011, 11:42 AM
Yeah, I've been outed several times...

Here in Vermont, it's getting better....

Saw a guy at the local flea market last weekend openly carrying and it didn't create so much as a few glances and whispers...
I was carrying concealed and nobody ever even knew...

I've been asked to leave, leave it in the car, and even been asked never to come back into some places.... So I obliged them.

It sucks because my right to keep and bear arms is just as important to me as my right to redress the government for my grievences...

theSHADOEknows
July 16, 2011, 12:29 PM
I am planning on getting my Oregon CHL, but for the time being funds are a bit restricted so I just OC.

To test reactions I decided to a Wal-Mart Walk (http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/texas-concealed-handgun-chl-sponsored-double-action-chl/11548-1st-time-concealed-carry-walmart-walk.html). I know it's silly but it actually eased any concerns I had about reactions from other people. As far as I could tell nobody even noticed that I had my gun on me.
I even went to dinner with my wife afterwards, in a PACKED restaurant, and the only person who seemed to notice was the nice lady who seated us and she didn't say anything or change her attitude one bit.

From what I can tell most people, around here anyways, are too busy to notice or care.

Nushif
July 16, 2011, 12:48 PM
Or the friendly folks around here don't mind you carrying. 8)
I haven't done the OC thing because Corvallis has local ordnance against it, but walking around on trails and stuff nobody has ever blinked an eye at the folks I go shooting with tromping by armed about like the average fire-team.

gibson_es
July 16, 2011, 05:29 PM
Thanks to the new Fl clarification, I can reach for things and not give a d@mn any more :D If they don't like it, too bad.


Cam you explain? Or post a link? Very interested in what your refering too.

MedWheeler
July 16, 2011, 08:58 PM
Gibson, Florida continues to outlaw the general practice of open carry, but has (effective 17 June, 2001) decriminalized the "brief" display of a lawfully-carried concealed firearm, such as when changing jackets, or if the gun becomes visible when bending over, or reaching above one's head. Previously, any act which allowed the firearm to be no longer "concealed from the ordinary sight of another person" was unlawful.
This was originally intended to be a lawful-OC bill, but got grotesquely watered down as it made its way through the legislature. One sticking point that will no doubt come up very soon is how the law defines "brief" when addressing the period of time the firearm is visible. The law does state, by the way, that the firearm must not be made visible "in a rude, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense" to have that "brief" exhibition fall under the new protection.
This is to what sig232 was referring.

Warp
July 16, 2011, 09:10 PM
I open carry semi regularly. I have only been asked to either leave or put my gun in my car once in 5+ years and 4 different states. The one time was at a Bass Pro Shop and after I called corporate I was told that the store was set straight and that would not happen in the future.

NavyLCDR
July 16, 2011, 09:27 PM
That's a cool story. I wonder, though, what would have happened if, when the cop ordered you out, the owner had, in turn, ordered him out...

The owner was not present at the time. The cop went and got a waitress who was not even old enough to sell beer and told her he was removing me because he got a MWAG call. I hand delivered a letter to the restaurant the next day explaining what had happened. Before I was able to get home, the owner had called and left the apologizing message and invitation to come back.

swingpress
July 17, 2011, 10:57 AM
Pretty much anywhere except work that I conceal I use the term a little loosely. I frequently "conceal" N-frame revolvers and use OWB holsters.

I think I got made once while "concealing" a 5" N-frame on the way back from a shooting match. I was scooting into a tight booth at Subway and the butt of the gun hit the booth hard. A guy noticed and looked straight at me and I ignored it as I scooted again... and knocked that wood grip against the booth again.

I didn't make anything of it and neither did he.

I have twice had to disclose to a coworker that I was concealing in order to disarm and be legal as we entered a place where it is not legal for me to carry. This is a much bigger problem IMHO. In both cases they laughed heartily. I suspect that laugh comes from the realization that I have been concealing around them for years without their notice.

makarovnik
July 18, 2011, 03:31 AM
I have been made before by relatives or friends that have hugged me.

I have one friend who's father had been shot and killed and she has told me that guns make her really uneasy. She hugs me often so I don't wear my gun in her house. I could probably wear a smaller gun maybe in a ankle holster or something but with her, to me it just feels right to leave it in the car.

I guess each situation needs to be analyzed separately.

RyanAnchors
July 18, 2011, 06:05 AM
Never for CC, but one time I was OC in Phoenix and as I walked toward a credit union where my girlfriend was getting cash out, one of the employees outside smoking said "Sir! You can't walk in there with a gun on your hip like that. It is illegal in a bank."
I said, "No, it isn't. Not in Arizona. Are you don't have signs posted."
He said, "Yes, it is. Look, I carry too man. I'm just saying the security guard is going to give you a hard time or ask you to leave".
I said, "That is fine then, I will wait in the car. But just so you know, it isn't illegal to carry openly or concealed in banks."
And he simply said, "Okay".

That is the only time my CC or even OC has been an issue. Granted I haven't carried as much as some people because I've been stuck in California for school most of the year since I came of age to carry and bought my own firearms.


MakarovNik: Have you ever talked to her at length about it? If she is your good friend I'm sure you could explain the ins and outs and offer to take her shooting. Promise that it will be safe and fun and that it might actually help her cope with what happened a little bit. Showing a person with her background that firearms can be used to GOOD is more important than convincing the general public, in my opinion. Many of the Brady Campaigners are people with similar stories who focus their emotions at the object instead of the terrible person that committed the act. They also fail to realize that their loved ones might have survived if they had been legally armed too.

TexasBill
July 18, 2011, 07:55 AM
... I'm just saying the security guard is going to give you a hard time or ask you to leave.".

The security guard? If the bank isn't posted, then the guard is just playing cop without any real authority to do so. If the bank manager asks you to leave, that's something else.

I did a stint as a bank guard as an extra job many years ago. Other than when I was doing escort, I was mostly decoration and, like the potted palms, I was supposed to avoid bothering the customers.

au01st
July 18, 2011, 09:43 AM
I too was kicked out of Bass Pro for OC. Not because of their policy, though; they said the policy was to follow state law, and they were misinformed about the law in this state. After a month I finally received an e-mail from the store manager who acknowledged that it was legal and that when the store opened they were misinformed about the law from the local sheriff.

Zach S
July 18, 2011, 10:48 AM
The security guard? If the bank isn't posted, then the guard is just playing cop without any real authority to do so.
This varies by state. In some, security guards, also sometimes called "company police" by the state, do have the power to arrest on the property they are guarding.

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 18, 2011, 11:44 AM
Why?

Didn't like having someone flash his Beretta 92 in literally my face, it was about 2 feet away. Concealed means concealed, not flash your gun everytime you put away your wallet when its easily avoided.

NavyLCDR
July 18, 2011, 02:36 PM
Didn't like having someone flash his Beretta 92 in literally my face, it was about 2 feet away. What was your face doing at the level of his belt?

youngda9
July 18, 2011, 03:13 PM
^^ Good question... :))

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 18, 2011, 09:55 PM
What was your face doing at the level of his belt?

Left handed shoulder holster, he was wearing a unbuttoned button-down shirt and completely brushed the shirt away from the gun to put his wallet away instead of just sliding his hand under the shirt. I've seen open carriers and even have open carried myself so I don't have a problem with that.

gym
July 19, 2011, 11:20 AM
St Thomas has been a dangerous place for many years. I used to use a friends house there for vacation. The crack problem in the 80's and 90's was insane. Worse than Queens at night. You almost never go out without a local guy with you. I can't imagine that it got any better. Poverty and a route for the smugglers has turned it into a hell hole.

sohcgt2
July 19, 2011, 08:42 PM
IMO concealed means concealed. If I've done my part correctly the only person who knows I'm armed is me.

gym
July 21, 2011, 12:51 PM
37 yrs and no one refused me entry because I was carrying, if you do a search you will find we have discussed this many times. If you call attention to yourself you will be known as that guy with the gun. Otherwise no one knows. It's like a insulin, no one knows you use it unless you go and tell them. A good concealment holster with the right weapon is impossible , even for the trained eye to detect. Everyone has something in their pockets.

rori
July 22, 2011, 07:57 PM
I was talking to my landllord a while back and for some reason we got on the subject of people in the complex carrying guns. He stated that he had negative feelings about the idea of people actually carrying guns into his office and said he was glad that I didn't.I told him that I was carrying a gun and had been carrying on every occasion that I had been to his office. He was surprised and chagrined as he had never noticed it. He also changed his mind about either open or concealed carry and is now looking for a gun for himself.

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 23, 2011, 12:13 AM
Good for him!

gibson_es
July 23, 2011, 04:08 AM
Rori, thats what i like ro hear.

I think peoples bad opinions on guns are usually based on ignorance (note that its not the same as stupidity. Were all ignorant to some degree as we cant know everything about every topic)

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