paralized shooters I need your advice


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klutchless
July 15, 2011, 02:40 AM
Last year me and my fiance were involved in a truck accident that left her paralized from the waist down.In January she turns 21 and is interested in ccw.I have the class set up for her but no idea as to what holster for her to use or what her legalities are as far as duty to retreat ect.purse options are out she tried them and hates them.I was thinking about building a holster out of kydex and mounting it to her clothing guard someway or another.any advice would be very helpful. She carries a tazer and mace already but they slide behind her butt in the seat.Not likely her 38 super will be as comfortable.p.s the clothing guard is a piece of plastic that keeps her clothes out of the wheels.

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mnrivrat
July 15, 2011, 03:06 AM
You might try a belly band holster , or a waist pack style holster.

The belly band goes under the clothing and the waste pack goes on the outside . Depending on the type of clothing used one or the other should work out.

MarkDozier
July 15, 2011, 07:28 AM
MNRIVRAT try living in a wheelchair sometime. It well change your prospective.
For a full mobile person a fanny pack would work, but is mostly no good for people in wheelchair. Think big clip in your back
A belly band might work, but is very subjective to a persons build when seated.

Ohio Duty to retreat
2901.09 No duty to retreat in residence or vehicle.
(A) As used in this section, “residence” and “vehicle” have the same meanings as in section 2901.05 of the Revised Code.

(B) For purposes of any section of the Revised Code that sets forth a criminal offense, a person who lawfully is in that person’s residence has no duty to retreat before using force in self-defense, defense of another, or defense of that person’s residence, and a person who lawfully is an occupant of that person’s vehicle or who lawfully is an occupant in a vehicle owned by an immediate family member of the person has no duty to retreat before using force in self-defense or defense of another.

Your lady has special circumstances regrading her mobility I would consider it prudent to have a recorded or written statement from the local prosucuters office in relationship to her mobility issues as it relates to the duty to retreat outside of the refernece i have listed above.

Holsters
Option One
cross draw carried at 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock depending which is her strong side. You wear cross draw on the weak hand or support side. They are made for sitting long periods

Option Two
http://www.undertechundercover.com/

Option Three
http://gizmodo.com/5801435/a-bra-gun-holster Bra holster - I can think of a couple of real upsides for this one

Option Four
mount a mini gun on each side of her chair under tear away covers. the real bear would be the weight of the ammo.

klutchless
July 15, 2011, 10:14 AM
Thanks for all the ideas guys she can't wear any restrictive material that includes bras. though the shoulder rig does seem a good idea since she loves her 1911 i'm going to try my old one on her to see if its to much weight on her back or not.After some research I found she has no duty to retreat as she cannot do so safely unless the threat is no longer viable.Shes about as likely to let me mount mini guns on her chair as she is to mount a chevy350 and a steering wheel.

squarles67
July 15, 2011, 10:54 AM
I'm also paralized (L1) and confined to a wheel chair. Carry options are pretty limited as you all ready know. Not only chair clearance but also pressure sore worries. I also thought about mounting the weapon to the chair but didn't like the idea of it being on the chair when transfering to the car as I felt that would be a likely attack point in a parking lot. If she uses a van with a lift and stays in the chair then that wouldn't be an issue.

The holster I use the most is the Bulldog Cell phone. I also use an ankle holster occasionaly

http://www.bulldogcases.com/case-vaults/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=0&products_id=235

They are fairly cheap to try out, usually 10 to 15 bucks. Not sure how well it would work with a womans wardrobe though. They are bigger than you think but it works like a charm with my Keltec .380. I get the occasional question "what is that" after they see my cell phone and I just tell them a "medical device" and they leave it alsone after that.

The bra holster looks pretty cool, I've also seen a one that hangs on a chain around the neck under your shirt.

Also good advice on checking the duty to reteat, states are different but some give latitude for the disabled who cannot readily retreat.

klutchless
July 15, 2011, 01:36 PM
When she transfer swing through into her she places her clothing guard in the side of the door . she has a t10 t11 slip injury.That's why she likes her 1911 its easy to get to and draw because of the size and she refuses to shoot a 'popper gun' her words not mine that means nothing plastic and nothing smaller than 9mm.She understands shot placement but she has her guns and is very profecient with all three of them so doesn't want to change.She only enjoys shooting when she out shoots me which is 95% of the time go figure.

Dnaltrop
July 15, 2011, 01:49 PM
Miniguns on her chair... hmm... ( brief image of 2 sets of spinning barrels on the sides)

Humor aside, possibly sewn-in holsters on jackets? Perhaps something with quick disconnects/mini carabiners that can be solidly attached to eyelets on the chair,and easily transferred to the body when transitioning from chair to vehicle... Fanny pack worn as a Bandolier rather than around the waist.

Time to apply that good 'ol Ingenuity!

mclue
July 15, 2011, 02:02 PM
I am also in a wheelchair. I had holsters for a 3 inch j frame sewn into some filson vests.
On the other side of the vest are pockets for reloads and for a cell phone.
I carry everything I need - keys, wallet, knife, phone and pistol in the vest.
It is comfortable for all day everyday carry.

kludge
July 15, 2011, 03:24 PM
My first choice would be a cross draw, but a cover garment would be needed for CC and that may not always be possible.

A fanny pack on the front would draw zero scrutiny for a person in a chair, and is probably the most concealable option regardless of her mode of dress

Next would be a bellyband or some kind of undershirt with a holster built in.

I would avoid the purse entirely -- but a decoy purse would make a great decoy for the "grab and run" type scumbags. (Rule#1 is avoid a confrontation, especially important to those whose mobility is compromised.)

As far as duty to retreat, I would be hard pressed to enforce "duty to retreat" on someone in a wheelchair, no matter the situation.

Great topic, BTW! And mclue, great idea about the vest - I like it.

hermannr
July 15, 2011, 03:55 PM
Does Ohio Have OC available? If so, don't worry so much about the cover. Doesn't mean you should or should not cover, just that it is not important if she does cover and the weapon is becomes uncovered occationally.

I would consider a vest myself, if I was in a wheel chair. Light mesh on for summer, heavier for winter.

klutchless
July 15, 2011, 05:14 PM
Ohio Is open carry and that's what I do but she is a little more timid in appearance than me and gets enough looks without a gun hanging off her chair.she just wants something comfortable and reliable that doesn't restrict her movement or get in her way.She doesn't want anything just loose or moving around .She trains with me on occasion and uses a low thigh rig.that she likes but says is to obvious to carry.She does carry a bag but its full of medical supplies and keeps a small purse her chair were she is the only one who can get it.She wont wear a vest "not in style' but again a bunch of great ideas.

Steel Talon
July 15, 2011, 05:20 PM
I would look into a cross draw holster,Given her circumstances it should be the most functional and comfortable. Think back in the day of the cowboy lawman many carried a cross draw comfortably as the spent many hours in the saddle.

You can find a leather craftsmen and they can special make a holster for her.

klutchless
July 15, 2011, 05:27 PM
She cant wear a shoulder rig either the snaps in the back put marks on her back and is uncomfortable.She has an idea about having a holster sewn into a pocket of cargo shorts that fit her 1911 and have a thigh secure strap sewn on to secure it. that would be the closest to the thigh holster and keep her gun concealed like she wants.Plus she has a bunch of cargo pants and shorts because she can only use thigh pockets.

gibson_es
July 15, 2011, 05:31 PM
I dont live in a wheel chair, so i guess take this with a great of salt.


But for 3 months, i did. I broke both bones in my leg, and my ankle in 10+ places (one doctor actuslly told me that wasnt possible... Then he saw the x-ray, he told me he couldnt see 10 but dang close)

And do to a couple "issues" i dont wanna get into. I was wheel chair bound for 3 months.

Creativity was key, my "macgyver" skills were a must. This experiance tells me this:

Dont think of what holsters are made. Tell her to put the gun were she is comfortable and can draw it quickly. Were ever that spot is you build her a holster or modify one for the job. Thats how i didnt most everything, cell phone, drink, ect.

Apocalypse-Now
July 15, 2011, 05:32 PM
seems to me i remember hearing about a holster made specifically to be concealed on wheel chairs, just can't remember the name....


maybe someone here can chime in if they know it.

mnrivrat
July 15, 2011, 07:07 PM
MNRIVRAT try living in a wheelchair sometime. It well change your prospective.
For a full mobile person a fanny pack would work, but is mostly no good for people in wheelchair. Think big clip in your back
A belly band might work, but is very subjective to a persons build when seated.

LOL ! In fact guy -I do live in a wheel chair most of the time and so I would take that fanny pack and rotate it to 12:00 . Yes, different size belly's may effect the adjustments and the clothing style, but hey - we all got to find the way that fits us best.

Al Thompson
August 18, 2011, 08:19 AM
Apologies for the thread necromancy, but this seems to be an option:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGve5G3rGI&feature=youtu.be

squarles67
August 18, 2011, 09:37 AM
That's pretty slick:)

sansone
August 18, 2011, 10:05 AM
I really really like my belly-band holster.

bruzer
August 19, 2011, 11:20 AM
Here is the website for Scotworks.
http://www.scotworksllc.com/holster.html
Mike

Al Thompson
August 19, 2011, 12:24 PM
Thanks Mike. :)

gym
August 19, 2011, 12:33 PM
http://youtu.be/EkGve5G3rGI, this was just sent out from mass's site backwoods.com, must be fate.

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