Toughest Big Bore Jacketed Bullets


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HARV6
July 15, 2011, 10:10 PM
Pretty self explanatory. From your experiences what do you think are the the toughest jacketed bullets for big bore revolvers? PA black bears are what I'll be shooting my 41 Magnum at. From what i've read it looks like Hornady XTP's are the way to go.

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Wolfeye
July 15, 2011, 11:24 PM
I prefer hardcast to jacketed bullets if deep penetration is what's wanted. I like Cor-bon. Buffalo Bore also has an excellent reputation, and I believe they both carry .41mag. Other brands I've heard of, but not tried, are Garret and Double Tap.

Prosser
July 15, 2011, 11:24 PM
Punch bullets.

Barnes solids are right in there, as well, or their expanding versions.
Petals break off, leaving a wadcutter to cut a big, deep, hole.

Probably, considering this is a pistol, you might be better off with LFN hard cast, so you could practice with the gun.

Check Hawk as well.

HARV6
July 16, 2011, 12:08 AM
I don't want to shoot cast bullets. Thats why I specifically asked about jacketed bullets.

ColtPythonElite
July 16, 2011, 12:17 AM
IMO, it's tough to beat XTP's...Especially when Walmart sells 'em for about 20 bucks per 100.

Owen Sparks
July 16, 2011, 12:20 AM
I don't want to shoot cast bullets. Thats why I specifically asked about jacketed bullets.

Linotype metal will do anything that a jacketed bullet will do at a fraction of the cost. I have recovered a number of them from dirt backstops that showed no damage except for rifling marks. Any animial hit with one will not know the difference.

ColtPythonElite
July 16, 2011, 12:28 AM
While I know the OP only wants cast, I'm with you Owen Sparks as far as cost and performance goes. I load MBC to magnum velocities in .44. I get no leading and great accuracy. I'd have no problems taking a poke at the baddest black bear out their with one of my cast handloads.

Owen Sparks
July 16, 2011, 02:09 AM
Another thing is that you can get a little more velocity out of hard cast bullets because the feiction required to drive them down the bore is less. There is no game animal in North America that can not be taken sucessfully with hard cast bullets just as well as with jacketed ones as neither will fail against flesh and bone.

357 Terms
July 16, 2011, 04:39 AM
+1 on the XTP's they expand well yet still hold together.

Coal Dragger
July 16, 2011, 06:25 AM
XTP's are a good choice, as would be Gold Dots, Partitions, or Barnes. Not sure how many choices you have in .41 mag though.

Super.45
July 16, 2011, 09:53 AM
I would want deep penetration and that would call for a heavy cast bullet. Check out the 295gr SSK offering from www.pennbullets.com
I don't load .41 but I have bought some of their bullets. Great quality and service.

HARV6
July 16, 2011, 10:30 AM
I'm trying to decide between XTP's, nosler sporting, sierra JHC's, and Speer Deep Curls(gold dots), there might be one more big name brand for the 41, but its slipping me right now. Still looks like the XTP's though. It seems like neither jacketed bullets nor cast bullets would make it through to some of these posters that still can't understand the discussion is about jacketed bullets only. Why waste everyone's time? When you're at a restaurant and you tell the waiter you've got a hankerin for a big ol' cheese burger does he keep suggesting the salad bar?

HARV6
July 16, 2011, 10:34 AM
thread moved

snuffy
July 16, 2011, 10:46 AM
Any bullet that will kill a deer will work for black bear. They're NOT grizzlies. If you're real worried, look for some XTP SOFT NOSE, not hollow points. Those will open slower, penetrate deeper.

buck460XVR
July 16, 2011, 10:58 AM
Any of the bullets you mentioned will work fine on black bear. I would tend to stick with the bullet that shoots the best outta my gun.

some of these posters that can't understand the discussion is about jacketed bullets only. Why waste everyone's time? When you're at a restaurant and you tell the waiter you've got a hankerin for a big ol' cheese burger does he keep suggesting the salad bar?

It's called narcissism, and it's bad forum etiquette to continue to go off topic when the OP requests to stay on topic. Some folks just don't get it.

Loosedhorse
July 16, 2011, 11:07 AM
Well, I'd look to what are the "toughest" handgun calibers, and which bullets to they use?

.460 Mag, .475 Linebaugh, the .500s.

Buffalo Bore uses a JFP of unspecified make, perhaps their own. Hornady uses the XTP, no surprise. Grizzly uses Hawk Precision bullets. Speer uses its Gold Dot. Nosler, Sierra, and Barnes seem to be the rest.

My experience? Never shot a bear with a .41, but I've liked Barnes X's on what I have shot. Having said that, if I were in your shoes, I'd use a 265 gr cast lead of the type offered by Buffalo Bore (assuming I could shoot it well, and that it was accurate out of my revolver).

Good luck.It's called narcissism, and it's bad forum etiquette to continue to go off topic when the OP requests to stay on topic.It's also bad form not to offer one's best advice; if that involves cast bullets, so be it. OPs do occasionally change their minds, maybe especially if they hear the same advice from several well-meaning (though, according to some, narcissistic) members.

HARV6
July 16, 2011, 11:49 AM
Loosedhorse, yr post is a welcomed one because it fits the topic, then has a side note suggestion, which is fine in my opinion. Its the ones that have no info on the topic that are irritating.

gamestalker
July 16, 2011, 02:46 PM
I honestly don't think that a hard cast is in the same ball park as a jacketed bullet. I can't imagine pushing a H.C. down my 7 mag. barrel at 3600 fps and expect it maintain integrity. Lead is a money saving method of loading and can be quite accurate, but it isn't capable of performing with the trouble free function of a jacketed bullet. Yes, it may do well for X number of shots. But when the leading begins the damge does too, if it isn't removed.

Super.45
July 16, 2011, 03:47 PM
I honestly don't think that a hard cast is in the same ball park as a jacketed bullet.(quote)

You will find that cast bullets in many handgun hunting areas are superior to jacketed bullets. Federals Cast Core bullets are heavy cast bullets in different handgun calibers including .41 made for deep pentration on game.
In addition all major game animals have been taken with cast bullets in .454 Casulls and .475 Linebaughs.
Properly made cast bullets will outperform many jacketed bullets for penetration and weight retention compared to their jacketed counterparts and you do get more velocity with a cast than a jacketed bullet.
Many jacketed bullets especially hollowpoints can expand too early and not penetrate deeply enough.

DC Plumber
July 16, 2011, 04:28 PM
My opinioin is that XTP's are very tough with thick jackets, which is what I shoot most of the time, 2nd are the Speer gold dots, or deep curls as they are now called.

I think the Nosler sporting bullets are cup and core and will separate as well as the sierra JHC.

That said, Nosler partitions should be good as well as the swift A Frame, if available for the 41mag, but I don't use either of those.

deacon8
July 16, 2011, 04:37 PM
Several people mentioned XTP's. Personally, if I was planning on hunting and/or running into a bear, I would not want hollow-points. In the 25+ years that I lived in Alaska, I carried a .41 mag (S&W Model 57 6"), or a .44 mag (S&W Model 29 6"), when I was in bear country. I always used jacketed soft-points. Bears have very thick bone and even the best hollow-points are not going to hold up enough to penetrate deep enough. I used 240 grain bullets for the .44 mag and 210 grain bullets for the .41. Some people like hardcast and that's fine, but my only advice would be to stay away from HP's for bear. My other advice would be to stick to heavier bullets, like 210+ grains in your .41 mag. I wish you luck out there. Hope you get a bear!

Prosser
July 16, 2011, 07:18 PM
PUNCH BULLETS!
http://www.gunblast.com/BeltMtn_PunchBullet.htm

DC Plumber
July 17, 2011, 10:59 AM
Ya, I'm pretty sure you can XTP's as hollow points or soft points. I've never hunted anything dangerous so I use the hollow points. I shot a whitetail with a 180 HP XTP in a handload with my 44 mag years ago. Perfect rib shot, went right through.

Scipio Africanus
July 17, 2011, 11:14 PM
The Sierra JFP in .44 and .45 are excellent bullets and very affordable. They are very hard, expand only a little even at top handgun velocities, therefore giving great penetration, have the near legendary Sierra accuracy, and are very affordable. If Sierra makes one in .41 it would be a great choice.

Punch bullets are outstanding however they are not affordable.

XTPs are fine bullets, I have no experience with the .41, however the 250 and 300 grain .45s are superb, although they penetrate somewhat less than punch, the Sierras, or a good cast bullet.

918v
July 18, 2011, 12:03 AM
Punch bullets are the toughest. You don't wanna shoot a bear with a hollow point. You want all the penetration you can get. Punch bullets have a lead core jacketed with near 1/8" of bronze. They do not deform and crush bone like a sledge hammer.

Eb1
July 18, 2011, 10:22 PM
Remington SP, Nosler, Barnes, Hornady XTP, Speer all make great jacketed or copper bullets that will penetrate well.
As said though if you want to make sure the bone doesn't stop the bullet. A hard cast bullet is tough to beat.

I'd take a MO Cast Bullet Co. 240 "Keith" LSWC moving 1300 fps from my .44 Mag without a thought. The same way I'd take a 240 grain XTP @ 1450 fps. Either one would do the job. Even a 240 MO Cast Bullet Co. 240 "Keith" LSWC @ 1200 fps using Unique would penetrate a Black Bear. IMO.

A .41 has a higher sectional density, and will penetrate as well as a .44 Magnum.

My .32 H&R Magnum with a 100 grain XTP @ 1005 fps killed a whitetail deer. Dropped it. I shot it in the neck. DRT. The bullet did not completely penetrate, but opened up good, and gave a nice permanent cavity. Buy a few, and see which shoots the best from your gun.

I bet a Factory Winchester White Box .41 Mag SP, or a Remington .41 Mag SP would do fine.

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/images/bullets/BTB-44-250gWFNGC2.jpg*IMAGE FROM http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm*
I have a few of these loaded for if I ever find the need. These are some serious penetrating bullets. The story goes they shot through a tractor tire filled with two feet of water, and then exited out he other side. That is serious penetration.

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