New neighborhood - neighbor says he's shot and killed intruders!


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leadcounsel
July 16, 2011, 03:55 AM
So, I've just moved into a new neighborhood - rather expensive and quiet...

I was introducing myself to the neighbors and in conversation I asked about the neighborhood. My neighbor stated that he had his house burgled twice about 6 years prior. Said the first time he was cleaned out. I said, "well, if they were robbing my house they'd meet "Mr. 12 gauge." He then said, "Well, the 2nd time they did. Shot and killed all 3 of them!!!" :cool:

So, first I was surprised at the fact there were burglaries. But it's good to know that 1) it probably sent a strong message, 2) doesn't appear he was prosecuted, 3) good to know you have a guy like that on one side of your property.

I sorta showed my support for his use of self defense, and expressed interest in hearing the rest of the details if they weren't too personal, over a beer sometime. Looking forward to the rest of the story. Must be very interesting!

All the questions that could be resolved once and for all. Mossberg vs. Remington!!! Buck vs. Birdshot!!! Etc. :D

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fallout mike
July 16, 2011, 05:42 AM
The expensive and quiet neighbourhoods is where they prefer to to do their thing. That's where they really cash out at. It doesn't happen as much though bc its harder for them to get in and out unnoticed. Good for him though if he was telling u the truth. If everyone did that I'd be out of a job.

bottom shelf
July 16, 2011, 09:04 AM
Interesting! Sounds like a story I'd want to verify. Maybe introducing yourself to other neighbors would provide that opportunity.

ichiban
July 16, 2011, 09:49 AM
Yeah, people that volunteer that kind of information are usually trying to impress you with a fairytale. As someone once said: "Trust but verify." Do a search of the local paper's website for his name or stories of burglars being shot.

If you are concerned about burglaries, get a dog. They are a lot less of a hassle than dealing with a SD shooting in your home.

hso
July 16, 2011, 09:55 AM
Check the news paper archive before having that beer.

Sam1911
July 16, 2011, 10:34 AM
Yup. A homeowner shooting and killing three home intruders would make the papers almost anywhere in the US. Go read up.

People say some odd things sometimes. Trust, but verify. ;)

Vonderek
July 16, 2011, 10:51 AM
Sounds like false bravado to me. And Mr. 12 Gauge is useless if your home is hit while you are not there...most burglaries in the U.S. are cold burglaries because thieves don't want to get shot. Make sure your home is hardened as much as possible (alarms, lights, locks, dogs, etc.) as your firearms will only be effective in a hot burglary or home invasion scenario.

The Bushmaster
July 16, 2011, 11:16 AM
Sounds like a "braggert" to me...Research needed here.

If it pans out to be true I'd still be a bit leary of him...

Mike J
July 16, 2011, 11:34 AM
Depending on where you are at if the incident made the paper it might not have his name in the article. I know most articles I see about someone defending their home they do not give the exact location or the name of the defender unless the person chooses to talk the press about the incident. I actually like that.

Although I would probably be somewhat skeptical I would not voice it. Many years ago I had a fellow tell me he had "held off" the SWAT team for a couple of hours with a .22 rifle. I just nodded & listened although I doubted him. Several years later I met another fellow that told me. "You know _______ . I was his neighbor for years. I still remember when the SWAT team came out for him. They climbed up on my roof with guns pointed at his house.

Ole Coot
July 16, 2011, 11:37 AM
That's one story I would check out for sure. Sounds a little odd he would share so much so quickly. Check before you become "friends"

Deltaboy
July 16, 2011, 12:02 PM
Check the papers and see if he just blowing smoke.

David E
July 16, 2011, 12:34 PM
From the OP's rendition of the conversation, the neighbor simply pointed out that six yrs ago, his house was burglarized. Presumably, a rare thing in the neighborhood.

Then the OP was the one who brazenly remarked, "if they had done that to MY house......"

This prompted the neighbor to simply recount what he actually did.

Personally, I'd be more leery of a macho-sounding neighbor ("here's what _I_ would've done...") than someone recounting actual events when the topic was brought up.

kd7nqb
July 16, 2011, 12:39 PM
Without a little research I would be mighty suspicious actually the part that gets me is that there were 3 and all were fatalities. Seems like by the time you engage the second intruder the third one would be high tailing it out of there. But stranger things have happened.

lemaymiami
July 16, 2011, 12:42 PM
In my experience -- the guy I'd worry about in your neighborhood is the one you were talking to....

Many years ago as a very young cop I went to an older lady's house about a neighbor dispute. She was a lovely lady who had a complaint about her neighbor's dog peeing on her rosebushes and casually said that the next time it occurred she'd shoot the dog and maybe the neighbor.... I was being as diplomatic as possible and downplayed that course of action so that I could leave and make contact with her neighbor. It was as I was leaving that I saw the little .22 rifle in the corner behind the front door..... That situation never got out of hand but it did stay with me.


Lots of years later (older and hopefully wiser...) I'd learned to really listen to what folks say (and what it might say about them...). It kept me out of a few bad situations. There are certainly situations when burglars need to be on the wrong end of serious consequences - most that I've known would kill themselves trying to get away from an armed homeowner... If that incident actually occurred I'd sure like to talk with whoever handled it. It would be very nice to know that, if a shooting occurred, the owner acted, not only properly, but took the only course open to him. What I'd really need to know is whether it didn't occur... or if it did, things were very questionable. Lots of that sort of stuff down here in south Florida, unfortunately.

Overkilll0084
July 16, 2011, 12:46 PM
BS detector coming online.
I'm not saying he's lying, but fatally shooting three people is going to attract some measure of media coverage. Heck any SD event where a gun is used generally attracts media exploitation. Should be easily verified.
He was speaking of humans and not four footed intruders?

FourTeeFive
July 16, 2011, 01:22 PM
Let us know if you dig up some info on this. I'm sure we're all curious....

Double Naught Spy
July 16, 2011, 04:02 PM
Leadcouncil, you have been here for 5 years, read thousands of threads and made thousands of posts and you were surprised to find that your new high end neighborhood isn't perfectly safe from crime? Really?

Several have said to check the papers to verify his story. I take it that you didn't do a crime background check before moving in. That is a shame. Information is available online for most areas and many cities and-or counties have detailed map listings. FYI for your next moves.

SharpsDressedMan
July 16, 2011, 04:26 PM
"If it pans out to be true I'd still be a bit leary of him..." :confused:
It would be nice to know the whole story, but a bit premature to cast judgement.

GEM
July 16, 2011, 05:26 PM
Not a good idea to share such with Mr. Neighbor.

What if he said: Oh, my. You have guns and would kill someone. I'd rather call the police! I tried to move to a nice place, not one with trigger happy vigilantes!!

Then, when you do the Joe Horn - he tells the investigating folk - Well, he's nuts. He said he would blam, blam, blah, blah! I was really scared of him!

S.W.G.
July 16, 2011, 06:46 PM
I think GEM is right.

Imagine if you nail one of those novelty 'Trespassers will be shot, Survivors will be shot again' signs to your fence, then a few years down the road you ventilate some goblin who is busting through your door.

The prosecution could screech about 'premeditation' and how you're a crazy militia member just itchin' to kill a minority.

Zach S
July 17, 2011, 02:08 AM
Yeah, people that volunteer that kind of information are usually trying to impress you with a fairytale.
Yeah, I wish I had a nickle for every special ops guy I met...

jsimmons
July 17, 2011, 09:55 AM
Yeah, people that volunteer that kind of information are usually trying to impress you with a fairytale. As someone once said: "Trust but verify." Do a search of the local paper's website for his name or stories of burglars being shot.

If you are concerned about burglaries, get a dog. They are a lot less of a hassle than dealing with a SD shooting in your home.
I have dogs and proximity alarms. That will give me time to retrieve a suitable weapon. :)

scaatylobo
July 17, 2011, 09:58 AM
If that story is not verifiable - I would steer clear of that neighbor !.

FourTeeFive
July 17, 2011, 02:52 PM
Yeah, I wish I had a nickle for every special ops guy I met...

Or guys wearing SEAL t-shirts, hats, etc.

philpost
July 17, 2011, 05:39 PM
Whether it's true or not, anyone who says they shot and killed 3 intruders AND who was so blase about it as to share it with someone upon their first meeting seems to have issues.

Seanpcola
July 17, 2011, 07:03 PM
I'd have to agree about being leery of your new neighbor. Not something I would reveal to someone I just met one way or the other.

I do wonder about how much is really revealed by the media and how much is covered up for one reason or another.

Reason I say this is because of what happened in my old neighborhood a few years back:

I was living on the water at that time. Hurricane Ivan hit (Sept. 2004) and every house in the neighborhood was pretty well destroyed. Two days after landfall I was digging through the rubble trying to salvage what I could of household items when I heard two shots extremely close by. I really didn't think much about it since I had a LOT on my mind at that time and there was all kinds of equipment running and demo type work going on. A few minutes later the Sheriff's helicopter circled overhead and right after that several LE vehicles and an ambulance drove past my house. I walked up to the driveway to see where they went. All parked in front of my neighbors place three houses down. I found out later that day that my neighbor had shot and killed a looter in his house.

Never saw anything about it anywhere. Also, I was told by a LEO acquaintance that things like that happened a lot after the storm and went unreported. I have no reason not to believe him but sure seems like it would be mentioned somewhere.

longdayjake
July 17, 2011, 08:45 PM
If everyone did that I'd be out of a job.

Working for a pawn shop eh?

Joking aside, I have shot several intruders on my property. None of them happened to be humans though.

Derry 1946
July 17, 2011, 09:41 PM
If you do end up becoming friends, knock before entering his home.

M2 Carbine
July 17, 2011, 11:31 PM
Sounds like my kind of neighbor.:)


A whole lot better than, "Oh I couldn't shoot those poor fellows just because they were stealing my stuff. Gee, you wouldn't shoot someone just because they were stealing your TV, would you".:rolleyes:

Ignition Override
July 17, 2011, 11:32 PM
The movie "Gran Turino" (Eastwood) came out less then six years ago.

Any other neighbor who was around can easily verify it, and aware neighbors would give his yard a second glance when they walk by.

M2 Carbine
July 18, 2011, 02:12 AM
3) good to know you have a guy like that on one side of your property.

The new neighbors had been moved in several months.
One day I went with another neighbor to the new neighbors house.

About the first thing the new neighbor lady said was, "You the one doing all the shooting?

I said, "That's me".

She said, "Will you teach me to shoot?".

I said, "I'd be glad to" and I did.:D

RyanAnchors
July 18, 2011, 07:48 AM
The OP brought up lethal self-defense first, before the neighbor ever did. I don't see anything wrong with the neighbor's conversation.

As for making sure that was his "only course of action" there is no "duty to retreat" in your home in almost every state in the country (even California!) and there shouldn't be.

If someone is breaking into your HOME, unwelcomed in the middle of the night - lethal force is always justified in my opinion (and according to most state's laws, again even California has a "castle doctrine" that says you are presumed to be in fear for your life is some a-hole jumps in through your dining room window at 2am - unfortunately you will probably still take a ride in this state before it gets cleared up).

If you think you should stand there and figure out if they are armed in your own home or try to flee your own home and family for robbers/home-invaders, then you probably shouldn't own a firearm for self-defense.

I'm not saying you should shoot the kid carelessly walking through your yard at noon on the way home from school, but you shouldn't definitely be ready to defend yourself and your home from ANY intrusion.

Your home is the one place in this world that is truly YOUR personal space where you have the right to feel safe and secure.

1911Tuner
July 18, 2011, 08:03 AM
I'm in the suspicious camp on this one. While someone might divulge that information in private after getting better acquainted with a new arrival...to open a dialogue in that manner would tend to put me off. It's not normally something that people talk about very much, and certainly not something that they'd volunteer on the first meeting...even if the new guy did open the door.

El Mariachi
July 18, 2011, 08:37 AM
And? Do we get a cite on this story? Or do we just file it under Folkloric Yeti-isms?.....

lizziedog1
July 18, 2011, 08:59 AM
Do you have any good hip boots?

If not, you should invest in some.:D

M2 Carbine
July 18, 2011, 09:14 AM
Do you have any good hip boots?
I can't imagine someone telling that story if it wasn't true because the truth will surface quickly.

The guy killing three such low life individuals wouldn't bother me a bit. Telling such a lie would cause me to stay away from the guy.

heeler
July 18, 2011, 09:20 AM
Honestly I could see it easily being one person shot dead.
Happens on a fairly regular basis here in Houston of home owners doing this to criminals.
But three would make a really ,really big news story.
Think Joe Horn.

12131
July 18, 2011, 09:30 AM
OP, did you google any info on the "shooting" that your neighbor said he did? I figure, that would have been a huge deal and all over the news, when it was supposed to have happened. Easily verified.

Google: Shooting deaths in exclusive gated community.:evil:

Sam1911
July 18, 2011, 09:41 AM
All right ... enough speculating.

Either the guy did what he said, and maybe is a bit freer and more glib with such information than we might expect, or he didn't and he's a bit of a Rambo fantasy type and not over-burdened with compulsive honesty.

I'm sure leadcounsel is going to do a little checking, and maybe a bit more chatting.

Research into what exactly happened, both during the incident and during the investigation afterward might prove to be very illuminating.

Until we have something more solid to discuss, this is just potentially embarrassing wheel-spinning.

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