Guys - I have a CVA optima elite.... CVA stopped making barrels for it. I would like to see if there are any custom barrel makers that can duplicate the barrel lug on one of their barrels so I can get a barrel in a caliber that isn't offered. It is similar to the barrel lug on the encores, but at the same time it isn't the same so it would have to be a completely custom lug machined and welded to the barrel.
I already have a .308 and a .30-06, so I think it would be fun to have a barrel in .30-30 or 6.5mmx55 (why not?)
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July 16, 2011, 06:30 PM
Hoew about a 243 or 22-250 all kinds of stock cva in supplies around and also try Bergara Barrels?? Maybe you can get a custom chamber or a bored but not chambered?? Or get a 243 and have it drilled, rifled and rechamber , WOW the cost. Good luck
July 16, 2011, 06:37 PM
harluk - bergarabarrels is owned by CVA. They are no longer making the drop in barrels for the optima elite. They still have a few barrels on their site though, but not in calibers I want.
The .243 never interested me nor did the 22-250. Yes, I can get a blank barrel that is already drilled for the right bore diameter, but without that barrel lug... it's worth more melted down to me. Bergara will not sell a blank with the lug.
A complete rework of a .243 barrel is out of the question. 150 for the barrel, another 100 for the re-chamber, probably the same or more for the bore drilling and rifling... And I'll bet the new barrel won't be as good as the original.
July 17, 2011, 10:53 AM
Well heck I know it going to be expensive. Maybe cheaper over all to go to a T/C encore. Then you can get pretty well what ever caliber you want from different custom shops out there.. There nothing special about cva anyhow. But if all you want is 30-30 ballistics that can easily be done with down loaded 308 . You know from your post your looking for a custom barrel work and thats always costly.
July 17, 2011, 11:15 AM
Hardluk - I know... Hmmm... go over to a t/c which will run me 5-600 for the frame and a barrel or find someone who will add a 4th barrel to my setup for 450ish.... not really that hard of a call.
I know I could download a .308, but then I'd have to keep two recipes around for it :) Besides that, the .308 rounds I keep on hand dont expand well at 2100-2300 fps, so I'll have to keep adjusting my dies for the different oal of the round nose bullets and the gamekings I have on hand.
I didn't say there was anything special about cva... but it's what is in the safe now. I could just find a machine shop and have them duplicate the lug and send it in to one of the custom barrel makers... might run me 250 for the lug plus 200 for the barrel maker (say green mountain) to make the barrel with the lug I send in.... might be worth looking into. Shouldn't take more than 5 hours work with a mill, period. Give me 5 hours with a mill and I'll do it myself. Measuring the whole thing out would only take half an hour or so (the width is constant as is the height, so no biggie there just start with an appropriate piece of square bar stock. the hole would have to be drilled accurately and the locking lug would have to be milled at the right angle...not hard to do.) Don't need a skeletonized one like cva used. I would need an extractor slot cut into the lug, simple to do with a mill as well.
July 17, 2011, 01:33 PM
You say you can make your own parts for a minimum of only 450 + 5 hours mill time for free? Your ready to go. I use to hand load for 308 lone eagle pistol 20 years or more ago. Had lead 160gr RN bullet loads that shoot at 1600 fps. Fun plinkers that anyone could shoot. Loaded 125gr NBT and they worked real well on deer at 2200 fps.
But any how seems you can build what you need. good luck
July 17, 2011, 04:17 PM
150 for the barrel, another 100 for the re-chamber, probably the same or more for the bore drilling and rifling... And I'll bet the new barrel won't be as good as the original.
You're certainly not gonna get a "custom" barrel for less than that! Don't know about rifle barrels but it's around $150 for reboring revolver barrels. Figure more for a rifle. But yes, it's usually better than the original barrel.
July 17, 2011, 04:38 PM
You say you can make your own parts for a minimum of only 450 + 5 hours mill time for free?
What part of 450 is free? Who said my mill time would be free... hell, there isn't anywhere round here that has mills to rent. I said I have the ability to make it in 5 hours on a CNC mill (not barrel, the lug that attaches to the barrel). I wouldn't need 5 hours on the mill... I could get the design and measurements done before I even went. I could manually machine the piece almost exactly in 3-4 hours, including tool changes. I'd still have to get a blank and chamber reamer plus crowned. I CAN get a blank for about 220. I can get a welder to do the welding of the lug for about $50 (less than 1 hour of work if I make sure that I have the part indexed correctly). Getting the chamber reamed is not That expensive... yeah it'd take me 450-500 to do it myself IF I had access to the machinery.
Thanks for the input craig. May have to look into getting a .243 and having it rechambered and bored. Can't do a .30-30 that way though... not without the extra effort of making a lug or having the old lug ground off, the barrel cut down enough that the .30-30 reamer will clean up the .308 chamber, the lug put back on, and then re-chambered.
July 17, 2011, 10:03 PM
xcythefwd Your words ( Give me 5 hours on a mill) I know someone is going to pay but I happen to know of a couple I could use for free. After all those cost, guess what you just payed for a T/C
July 18, 2011, 08:50 AM
Luk - For frame and custom barrel, I'd be in for close to 700 on the T/C.
July 18, 2011, 11:26 AM
Well good luck with your project . To bad cva id not developing the same kind of following as in the t/c aftermarket. With way over a 100 different calibers avalible from a number of aftermarket barrel makers. Any option you could want is built by one of them. And time can be invested in something else. We have a shop that deals mainly with G2 and contenders and must have 50 barrels in stock. Still down loading your 308 saves a ton of money and lead bullets make for good fun and small game hunting at 32-20 rifle velocities. Look to red dot powder.
Anyhow good luck
July 18, 2011, 05:00 PM
Besides that, the .308 rounds I keep on hand dont expand well at 2100-2300 fps, so I'll have to keep adjusting my dies for the different oal of the round nose bullets and the gamekings I have on hand.