.45 ACP - What powder to buy next?


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Ultravox
July 18, 2011, 01:49 PM
I am about out of my jug of Win 231.

I mainly load the MBC 200gn LSWC for my .45.

What powder should I get next? Should I stick with Win 231? It's pretty dirty when I shoot.

Should I try some Bullseye? Unique?

What do you all say?

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ColtPythonElite
July 18, 2011, 02:06 PM
I load alot of MBC 200gr LSWC. I use Unique and like the results.

highlander 5
July 18, 2011, 02:08 PM
And what pray tell is the problem with 231? I've used Universal Clays myself,burns cleaner than Unique.

Miata Mike
July 18, 2011, 02:10 PM
I like WST for my 200 grain LSWC bullets. 231 and Unique are some of my favorites also.

Walkalong
July 18, 2011, 02:10 PM
Bullseye or Unique will work just fine, but won't be any cleaner than W-231.

Lubed lead bullets are dirty, no way around it.

Single base powders that burn at a lower temp than double base powders can help. Some powders are a bit dirtier than others, but 95% or better of the crud is from the lube and lead.

BigG
July 18, 2011, 02:12 PM
Unique is good. Alliant says 5.4 gr gives 790 fps with a 200 gr LSWC.

lono
July 18, 2011, 02:12 PM
I use bullseye or red dot, both work well.

1KPerDay
July 18, 2011, 02:17 PM
I like the Red Dot I've been using, FWIW.

USSR
July 18, 2011, 02:28 PM
Solo 1000. Ultra Clean.

Don

Shimitup
July 18, 2011, 02:44 PM
Nothing wrong with continuing W231, I use Bullseye mostly with 200 LSWC, W231 and Unique for full power jacketed bullets.

Walkalong
July 18, 2011, 03:00 PM
Solo 1000. Ultra Clean.Yep, Solo 1000 burns very clean at low pressures. It is also single base, so it burns cooler than many of the fast pistol powders, which helps.

Overkilll0084
July 18, 2011, 03:05 PM
I use Bullseye. It works fine. However, it's not going make things any cleaner. If you want clean, switch to jacketed or plated bullets. I've not used 231, but I seem to recall a reputation for being a decently clean powder. If you are using mild to moderate charges, generally warmer to hot charges help clean things up (Unique is a good example of this).

Sam1911
July 18, 2011, 03:07 PM
I've always used either Clays (Not Universal) or my personal favorite, American Select.

Very clean. Very accurate.

Steve H
July 18, 2011, 03:16 PM
If you clean your gun after each shooting session why worry about how dirty the powder is?

dbarnhart
July 18, 2011, 03:21 PM
Like several have said, why switch?

I've been using Unique for 45 ACP for many years. Granted, I'm just making target/plinking loads but it works, so I would need a compelling reason to try something else.

Sam1911
July 18, 2011, 03:34 PM
If you clean your gun after each shooting session why worry about how dirty the powder is?

Well, it does depend on how many rounds you shoot in a session, and if you do actually want to clean it that often.

I've run hundreds in a match or training day -- enough to gum up the works pretty well using some especially dirty powders.

I also generally clean my practice/match guns only when they "need" it, and that seems to be generally something between 500 and 1,000 rds between swabbings. With this many rounds behind me, I appreciate knowing my guns are reliable regardless of whether they've been intimately familiar with a cleaning patch recently or not.

Running a powder that leaves less crud behind helps with that.

rscalzo
July 18, 2011, 03:38 PM
I've used Unique for years in my 45ACP loads. I find it no dirtier than others. The cleanest? Who knows as most of the visible crud is from the bullet lube of cast loads. Functioning has never been an issue ever after hundreds of rounds in a few days.

Blue68f100
July 18, 2011, 03:46 PM
I use 5.1 gr of WST behind a 200gr FP (Berry's Plated) so this should be just fine with you lead. This is a very clean burning load light recoil. Just remember that lead is going to be dirtier than a jacked bullet.

Ultravox
July 18, 2011, 03:48 PM
If you clean your gun after each shooting session why worry about how dirty the powder is?
It's not really the mess left in the gun, it's all the flakes and stuff that blows back on my arms. And it's not really a problem. Just wondering if I should stick with what is working, or try something different.

Kevin Rohrer
July 18, 2011, 04:14 PM
Unique.

'nuff said

Cherokee
July 18, 2011, 05:15 PM
I use 231 for the majority of my 45 ACP loads but have also found WST to be really good with my 216 gr LSWC loads.

steve4102
July 18, 2011, 06:56 PM
WST!! You can thank me later!!

Finprof
July 18, 2011, 08:00 PM
I just switched from Bullseye to N310. Cleaner, but costs about twice as much. either is better than Unique for light target loads. Unique comes into its own for heavier Hardball loads.

claiborne
July 18, 2011, 08:09 PM
Bullseye and Longshot

zxcvbob
July 18, 2011, 08:24 PM
Promo, and load it towards the top end of Red Dot data.

GLOOB
July 18, 2011, 10:06 PM
I've used 3 different powder for 45 ACP, including W231. I now use Unique almost exclusively. I don't get the "dirty" talk. There's nothing dirty about it. One mag of factory UMC or Blazer Brass is 20 times dirtier than shooting hundreds of my Unique handloads.

Ky Larry
July 18, 2011, 11:22 PM
I use Trail Boss for my lead .45 ACP loads.

noylj
July 19, 2011, 12:40 AM
Any powder, from N310 to True Blue will work in the .45 Auto.
I get most consistent accuracy with AA2. My loads are all for accuracy, so they tend to a 200gn L-SWC at 725-800fps and fast powders perform best.
6.0gn of Unique with any lead bullet up to 230gn will often shoot very well.
You can try the powders-of-the-day: solo 1000, titeGroup, WST, N310, N320, and Clays. None of these work better in my .45s than AA2. Since I am not competing, I have no idea about minimizing recoil or having the gun push instead of snap, I just care about how small the group is on paper.
I find that the three powders I use most in .45 Auto are AA2, Red Dot, and Unique.

CZ57
July 19, 2011, 01:26 AM
Based on many recommendations here and at other forums I am about to try WST. Both for accuracy and cleanliness. I'll be using 200 gr. RNFPs and SWCs in my XDm and look forward to seeing if WST is everything I've heard it is in the .45 ACP. ;)

4thestars
July 19, 2011, 01:47 PM
Ky Larry, what are the specs for your favorite Trail Boss loads?

rsrocket1
July 19, 2011, 02:00 PM
Unique is dirty when you load it way down, but that's because it doesn't build up in pressure and the case won't expand to seal off the gasses. They end up sooty, but the bullets still fly out just fine. Unique cleans up real good when loaded in the mid to high range. For lighter recoil rounds, 4.3-4.5 grains of Red Dot or Promo will get the pressures high enough to seal the chamber, but make for a very manageable mid 800fps target load with 200g LSWC's.

CZ57
July 19, 2011, 08:07 PM
The powder I'd like to be using but can't find locally is Ramshot ZIP. Burn rate is nearly identical to W-231 but it burns cleaner. ;)

Gik-tal
July 19, 2011, 08:08 PM
I've been loading 200 LSWC varrious brands for almost 20 years now and my all time favorite is 4.1 grains of IMR-700X

bluetopper
July 19, 2011, 11:09 PM
Any of the fast burning pistol powders will do a great job in 45. I'd stay away from Titegroup however. My experience, it burns too hot for lead bullets and will lead up a barrel.

Individual results may vary.

jibbs
July 19, 2011, 11:36 PM
+1 to SAM1911, I have concluded that regular Clays is just about one of the cleanest powders available for the 45acp. It is the go to powder for most of the people I shoot IDPA with. It is the bottle with a shooting clay on the bottle, cant miss it.

floydster
July 20, 2011, 04:55 PM
45 ACP, cast bullets = Trial Boss, the most fun you can have with your clothes on:)

Fishslayer
July 21, 2011, 12:28 AM
I use Bullseye & Green Dot. Both are kinda dirty. I am going to try out the Red Dot bandwagon soon. Those that have used it seem to like it. It's a bit faster than Bullseye.

I've tried W231 & just couldn't get the accuracy I get with Bullseye.

mineralman55
July 21, 2011, 01:51 AM
Red Dot is a fairly clean burn, but for 200 LSWC and 230 LRN, HS6 is just about unbeatable. Incredibly clean burn and good accuracy. Silhouette is a very close second. I'd be happy with either. When I run out of those, I'll be trying a bottle of Trail Boss I just picked up. On paper it sounds fantastic.

RugerBob
July 21, 2011, 09:54 AM
700-X w/200gr swc. 5.0grs. 4.5 to 5.5 is range in my books.

Peter M. Eick
July 23, 2011, 04:23 PM
Bullseye is my primary 45acp powder but I am going to try some power pistol the next time I do some.

bds
July 23, 2011, 05:24 PM
I use Bullseye & Green Dot. Both are kinda dirty. I am going to try out the Red Dot bandwagon soon. Those that have used it seem to like it. It's a bit faster than Bullseye.

I've tried W231 & just couldn't get the accuracy I get with Bullseye.
I used to use Bullseye for 45ACP and now prefer W231/HP-38.

My favorite target load is 200 gr SWC with 5.0 gr of W231/HP-38 - very accurate load in various 1911s and semi-autos. If you can't get accurate shot groups with 200 gr SWC and 5.0-5.5 gr of W231/HP-38, it is not the load. ;)

My favorite plinking load is 200 gr SWC with 4.0 gr of Promo/Red Dot - accurate and mild recoil load.

Sauer Grapes
July 23, 2011, 06:15 PM
I've always used either Clays (Not Universal) or my personal favorite, American Select.

Very clean. Very accurate.
Yup, I like the way you think. It's a win win for me since I use both for shotshell reloading.

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